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WHY IS THE ADL
PROMOTING ALEX JONES?

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THE ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE’S RECENT ‘BLAST’ at radio conspiracy ‘patriot’ maven, Alex Jones, appears to be more - AND less - than it seems upon closer examination and rational consideration.

That world Zionism is the center of evil on the planet is beyond any rational dispute. From AIPAC and the ADL to the bogus Southern Poverty Law Center to B’nai B’rith, Zionism is the most ruthless geopolitical (thermonuclear Israel), financial and political force in the United States…and much of the world.

Even a rudimentary understanding of the Wall Street bankster machine, and the beyond corrupt Federal Reserve, reveals the overwhelming power of Zionism which ultimately traces back to the City of London banking center, and the Rothschilds. As David Icke succinctly puts it, “Zionism is the Elephant in the Controllers’ Board Room” that only Zionist deniers, de facto agents and Zionist apologists pretend isn’t there and won’t mention.

The premiere Zionist enforcement agency in America, the ADL, often runs hit pieces on people it tries to smear as ‘anti-semites’ or ‘anti-Israel’ and so forth. These pieces are usually vicious in tone and replete with baseless slanders and smears of the targeted individual/s. (Brother Nathanael is described by the ADL as a ‘rabid anti-Semite.’) However, when was the last time you saw an ADL Zionist hit piece targeting someone who virtually never even mentions Zionism or makes anti-Zionist statements? That question is vital…as you consider the following material.

A recent investigative piece by Lorie Kramer uncovered an apparent clear link between Zionism and the Zionist Bronfman family of North America, and alternative talk show host Alex Jones. Kramer’s research showed that Holly Bronfman’s attorney just happens to be Jones’ personal attorney. Coincidence? From that discovery it is not hard to project why Mr. Jones avoids even the mention of ‘Zionism’ unless put into a corner. Read Entire Kramer Story Here, Here & Here.

In one of his most infamous Zionist coverup statements, Jones stated: “Hollywood Is Owned By The Arabs’ - The Arabs Own Everything!” That stunning statement simply shattered the credibility meter. It’s simply a matter of connecting the dots.

Many have noticed - and even die-hard fans have been perplexed for years - over Jones refusing to discuss the ‘elephant in the board room’ on his radio show. He simply will not criticize or even mention ‘World Zionism’ except in passing…and very infrequently at that. Facts are facts. Therefore, when the ADL ‘blasts’ someone in the media who does not mention Zionism, or the Israel Lobby, or Zionist Jews, one has to start digging a little deeper and thinking of who ultimately benefits from such an ADL ‘attack.’

Jones, jumping on the opportunity (as planned at some level?) pointed to the ADL ‘hit piece’ story on one of his sites and masterfully presented an ‘editorial rebuttal’ to it, which was about how the ADL had ruthlessly attacked America’s most highly-visible patriot talk show host. In a deft attempt to underscore the ADL piece as a personal attack on Jones - as if he were a true enemy of Zionism - the Jones site’s responsive editorial blasted back at the ADL piece as if it had damaged him severely.

However, once again, the term Zionism never appeared. Connect the dots again. Jones is, in reality, anything but a patriot martyr out to expose the Zionist Jewish agenda and its malignant hold on our Republic. The ADL article actually reads more like a promo for Jones than a personal attack as evidenced by even just two excerpts:

“Jones runs a syndicated radio show, The Alex Jones Show, which is broadcast on AM and FM stations. Jones also operates two popular Web sites, Infowars and Prison Planet, and appears on a cable access television show.” (Remember, this is supposed to be a savage hit piece on Jones…)

“After the election of Obama, Jones developed ties to mainstream media outlets such as the FOX News Network. In March 2009, Jones appeared on the FOX News program Freedom Watch which allowed him to simulcast the show over his radio program.” (Reads like a publicity release…which is really, essentially, exactly what the ADL piece is.) Read The Entire ADL Story Here.

JONES’ HOME RADIO SHOWS
PRESENTED BY ZIONIST JEWISH MEDIA

EVERY SUNDAY AFTERNOON when most Christians are in Church - but when Jews are working - Alex Jones does a syndicated and internet-based show from his home studio for KLBJ 590 AM (“Alex Jones brings his unique perspective to the KLBJ team”) from 4:00-6:00pm. Who, exactly, is the KLBJ team’s owner?

In fact, KLBJ AM is owned by Emmis Communications, (”Emmis” is the Hebrew word for “truth”), which operates radio stations in the nation’s largest markets, including New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago. The Founder and CEO of Emmis Communications just happens to be a well-connected Jewish American broadcast mini-mogul named Jeffrey H. Smulyan — the kind of Jewish American who would doubtless have strong allegiance to Zionist Jewish organizations like the ADL — and whom the ADL likes to support in return.

With a Doctorate Law degree from the University of Southern California School of Law and a subsequent “Tree of Life Award” from the Jewish National Fund, Smulyan has just the right credentials to rub shoulders with one of the JNF’s financial recipients, the ADL.

In 1994, Smulyan was tabbed by The White House to head the U.S. Delegation to the Plenipotentiary Conference of the International Telecommunications Union. As a U.S. ambassador, Smulyan negotiated an agreement between Israel and the PLO which has since hit the trash bin due to Zionist Israel’s ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

In 2005, (boasts Smulyan on his Website), Emmis Communications was named one of Fortune magazine’s “100 Best Companies to Work For.” (Smulyan does not mention that Fortune is owned by the Canadian Jew, Edgar Bronfman Jr. of Time Warner, who has a professional alliance with Emmis Communications.)

Apparently, Alex Jones ALSO LIKES to work for Emmis and KNOWS very well, indeed, how to keep his mouth shut when it comes to singling out Zionists and Jewish lobbyists when broadcasting for Smulyan’s KBLJ radio. View Entire Story Here & Here.

EVERY SATURDAY EVENING when Jews are feasting on their “Erev Shabbat” Sabbath meal, Jewish-owned satellite radio Sirius Network, beams out Jones’ muddled message on its XM radio station from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM.

The Sirius XM Radio Network is owned by the American Jew, Mel Karmazin, CEO; and managed by the Jews, Scott Greenstein, President; David Frear, Chief Financial Officer; and Eddy Hartenstein, Chairman of the Board. Connect the dots. Zionism is king.

Before his July 2009 stint with Sirius, Jones was railing against Sirius XM radio for featuring ‘no planner’ Paula Gloria on Sirius’ Howard Stern slot. Why did Jones suddenly change his mind? Could it be money, lots of Zionist money? - a big motivator even for ‘conspiracy theorists’ like ADL-promoted radio talk show hosts.

* A STUNNER FROM THE JERUSALEM POST *
“JONES’ SALARY PAID BY THE JEW MEDIA”


Jones Called ‘Jewish Media’s Rebbe’ By Jerusalem Post

VETERAN JERUSALEM POST REPORTER, David Shamah, (a vehement Zionist Jew), admits, or to be more accurate, exposed Alex Jones for “being on the Jews’ payroll.” Yes, that is a direct quote from the article.

On Shamah’s Website, Digital Newzgeek, where he archives his Jerusalem Post articles, Shamah posted a piece which he penned for the Jerusalem Post on April 14 2009, titled, What Creeps Under Internet Rocks. In the article, Shamah exposes Jones as a “rebbe” whose fans fear his Jewish ties will make him “look bad:” Wrote Shamah:

“Jones believes that the world is run by the Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group. But I never heard him utter the word ‘Jew’ in connection with any of these conspiracies. According to Jones’ Wikipedia biography page: ‘The Alex Jones Show radio program is broadcast live from Emmis Communications KLBJ Radio in Austin, Texas.’

“The CEO of Emmis? Jeff Smulyan, winner of the Jewish National Fund’s Tree of Life Award. Interestingly, I have never seen Smulyan’s name on the lists of Jews who run the media on the Anti-Semitic sites. Could it be they don’t want to make their ‘rebbe,’ Jones, look bad? After all, his salary is being paid by ‘Jew media!’” Read Entire Shamah Story Here.

So, it’s not hard to see that even Zionist Jews know what Jones and his flappery about ‘the Arabs owning Hollywood’ and virtually never touching the subject of the ‘elephant in the boardroom’ are all about…and on which side his kosher bread is buttered.

THE ADL COVERS FOR JONES

BACK TO THE FARCE ADL ARTICLE which supposedly ‘blasts’ Jones, but is, in reality, running interference for him…a clever psy op to make it look like the ADL hates him. Nothing could be much farther from reality.

No sooner did the ADL publish what amounts to this thinly-veiled PR piece for him, than Jones’ largely Zionist staff cranked out its painfully contrived story about how poor Jones was being savaged by the ADL.

Nowhere in the ADL article do the words ‘anti-semite’ or ‘anti-semitic’ appear…terms of standard operating bedrock for virtually ALL ADL attacks on those who oppose Zionism and its death grip on America.

So, again, if you haven’t connected the right dots, it is patently obvious that the ADL moved to give Jones and his agenda of not mentioning the ‘elephant in the board room’ a near-perfect shield to protect him. The Jones site editorial reply to the ADL ‘hit piece’ is simply the sequel to the binary ADL psy op. Read both and decide for yourself.

Jones runs, according to many, a de facto ZIONIST OPERATION, and he ONLY mentions Zionism in passing when he absolutely must. His historic effort to cover for his Zionist Jewish Hollywood friends by saying, on a “YouTube clip, “The Arabs own Hollywood and everyone knows it” is truly a classic faux pas. The ‘Arabs’? He might as well have tried to deny the existence of the sun.

Jones, his program, his sites (at least five of them), and through his documentaries are essentially the core of a mass desensitizing operation. When viewing his ‘films,’ most come away feeling as if they’ve been bludgeoned and beaten to near hopelessness. And that, of course, is the very idea. All the talk about ‘taking the country back’ basically runs most people into the ground…and many of them become moribund, disheartened…or just quit.

When Jones keeps pounding home the theme about the ALL-powerful Global Elite - but not mentioning that Zionist Jews ARE the great majority of the elite - the message of who is really running the West and America is lost. Zionism would seem to have a truly great, loyal and steadfast friend in Mr. Jones.

JONES IS BASICALLY, (as one of the most visible public figures in the alternative media), not much more than a showman or razzle-dazzle carny type. He could have earned millions as a ‘teevee evangelist.’

Does anyone really think that Jones got into Bohemian Grove and did all that videotaping without the Elite knowing about it? That DVD was, of course, the perfect entre into the larger world of alternative media for him as the ultimate ‘patriot super hero.’ And with the passing of William Cooper (who exposed Jones as a liar), the path was clear for the Jones machine to make its move. View Cooper YouTube Video Here.

Jones’ strange ‘connections’ to the uber Zionist Bronfman family via his personal attorney, and to Zionist Hollywood; the fact that he has a ticket to ride on his flagship radio station with Emmis Communications and a slot on XM/Sirius; that his top staff is dominated by Zionist Jewish Americans (also see his protege Jason Bermas’ hateful YouTube Video Here); and that many of his sponsors are Jewish-owned businesses…should be highly instructive to those seeking to understand why he gives Zionism a clean pass by rarely, if ever, mentioning it.

Jones has a specific agenda that unquestionably covers for Zionism. Sure, he wears the cloak of the Patriot…he’s a master at it. Remember …the BEST disinformation is at least 90% truth. And Alex ‘Bullhorn’ Jones appears to be the best friend world Zionism has in the often murky milieu of ‘patriot’ radio and the alternative media. Remember…connect the dots…and the true picture eventually congeals in front of one’s eyes…truly a stark and painful image in this case.

For Further Listening - ‘Alex Jones Master Of Deception’ Here
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  1. admin December 1, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

    Hi Everybody -

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    I, Brother Nathanael, am called a ‘rabid anti semite’ by these CHRIST-HATING JEWS of the ADL.

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  2. admin December 1, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

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  3. Hoff December 1, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

    Wall Street and FDR by A C Sutton, book online in full text. Spacebar = Page Down + Shift = Page Up. Ctrl+ F = Search. Mac Apple key..

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/wall-street-and-fdr/#comment-849

  4. Mark Glenn December 1, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

    Excellent piece, Br. N.

    The fact that the ADLO would go to such lengths as to give AJ any credibility within our movement shows how desperate they are to try and keep the day from overcoming the night.

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  5. Hoff December 1, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

    NoBody that uses the bogus accusation smear-slander word “antisemite” is to be taken serious at any time. Only stupid people use that bogus word. Just tell them that they are a dimwit!

    “It’s a Trick, We Always Use It.” (calling people “anti-Semitic”)”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

  6. Ben December 1, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

    Here is an interesting link to a preview of “NAKBLINKA: The Cleansing of CoExistence”.

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    “NAKBLINKA is the amplification of NAKBA – the “Day of Catastrophe” commemorated by Palestinians to mark the expulsion and dispossession of their homeland in 1948.

    It is starkly reminiscent of the catastrophic failure of global humanism and the triumph of singular inhumanity as witnessed in TREBLINKA during the Nazi regime.

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  9. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 2:43 am

    Alex Jones Quotations

    “And I got a lot of friends in Hollywood.”
    - Alex Jones

    “Hollywood is owned by the Arabs.”
    - Alex Jones

    “I mean so, the point is, they just own everything. I mean, they control the whole deal.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about Arabs

    “And the Arabs are the biggest owners now of media in the United States, okay, and over stock exchanges. And in many major U.S. cities they’re the majority owners.”
    - Alex Jones

    “And everybody’s running around talking about ‘Zionists’ all day. Okay, just keep parroting that over and over again.”
    - Alex Jones, mocking and laughing at people who say that Zionist Jews are the dominant elite

    “Now the British are still the biggest owners of raw land…oil…uh…uh…mines…uh…a lot of infrastructure. The British are the most wealthy in the world, that is the elite that’s based there. They’re the ‘King Daddies’.”
    - Alex Jones

    “I do a real analysis of who actually owns things - it’s the British…the Dutch…then it’s the Arabs…then it’s the French…then it’s the Jews…and then, on down the line.”
    - Alex Jones

  10. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 2:44 am

    Alex Jones Quotations

    “And I don’t even blame Israel for this.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the U.S.S. Liberty attack

    “But that doesn’t mean Israel carried out the attack.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Now…uh…I…have not…you know…jumped on the bandwagon to say that Israel carried out 9/11.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Now lets be clear. Neither I, Avery, or Fetzer…uh…think it’s an Israeli attack. In fact, they’ve had national polls of people who believe it’s an inside job…[only] seven percent believe Israel was involved.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Folks, I’ve done the research! Israel could not carry out these attacks. And…and…I…uh again, I’m just saying that on the record. I’m trying to go after who’s guilty. I’ll say who I believe did it, and th…all the evidence shows it. And it’s…it’s…it’s Dick Cheney ‘n it’s people above him.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

  11. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 2:48 am

    “Every time we look, they’re killing Jews.”
    - Alex Jones

    “Why? Why are they always wanting to kill Jews?”
    - Alex Jones

    “They’re good people. I have a lot of Jewish friends.
    - Alex Jones, talking about Jews

    “So…so…you know…th…it…it…it’s a religion to…to…to bash Jews, and I’m just not gonna take part in it.”
    - Alex Jones

    “And I certainly don’t like the white supremacists and those whose religion is hating the Jews, period.”
    - Alex Jones

    “The Jew haters and white supremacists…all they do is fight with each other all day too.”
    - Alex Jones

    “And I found out…again…a lot of the Zionist organizations are covertly funding white supremacists.”
    - Alex Jones

    “I’m saying…I don’t wanna be anywhere near the white supremacists…but not even them so much…just the Jew-haters…uh…are…are just the most mentally ill, lying freaks!”
    - Alex Jones

    “I mean there are a bunch of people who I’ve heard worship Adolf Hitler who don’t like me because I don’t think Jews have 14 inch fangs and drink blood and sneak around in bushes.”
    - Alex Jones

    “It’s…it’s easy to have some little bitty website and use a fake name and sit there and…you know…talk bad about Jews all day and enjoy yourselves…uh, you know…getting your kicks ’cause you live in, you know…a…a one room apartment and your mad at life or whatever and wanna blame us…you know.”
    - Alex Jones

  12. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 2:52 am

    “I’m about the truth. I’m about integrity.”
    - Alex Jones

    “Because I know I’m for real, ya know. I know I’ve got my integrity. I know I try every day to be a moral, upstanding person. And I try to not hurt people’s feelings either.”
    - Alex Jones

  13. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 2:54 am

    Fall of the Republic: A Key Word Analysis
    (arranged in order of frequency)

    This is an analysis of the terminology and references used in the popular Alex Jones documentary film “Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack H. Obama”. The results are scientific. The study was conducted on the entire 2 hour, 22 minute film.

    76 ‘Obama’
    46 ‘Banks / Bankers’
    29 ‘Federal Reserve’
    24 ‘Oligarchy / Oligarchs’
    17 ‘George W. Bush’
    11 ‘New World Order’
    10 ‘Elite / Elitists’
    8 ‘Wall Street’
    7 ‘The Establishment’
    6 ‘Nazis’
    6 ‘United Nations’
    6 ‘Police State’
    5 ‘Social Engineers’
    5 ‘Globalists’
    5 ‘Rockefeller’
    4 ‘IMF’
    3 ‘Adolph Hitler’
    3 ‘Pentagon’
    3 ‘Gestapo’
    2 ‘Central Intelligence Agency’
    2 ‘Dick Cheney’
    2 ‘Council on Foreign Relations’
    1 ‘Controllers’
    1 ‘Rothschild’
    1 ‘European Eunion’
    1 ‘Bilderbergers’
    1 ‘Global Architects’
    1 ‘Anglo-American’
    1 ‘Holocaust’
    1 ‘Aryan’
    1 ‘Josef Stalin’
    1 ‘Forces of Darkness’
    1 ‘Al Qaeda’
    1 ‘White Supremacists’
    0 ‘Israel’/'Israel Lobby’
    0 ‘Zionism’/'Zionist’
    0 ‘Jew’/'Jewish’

  14. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 3:01 am

    The Obama Deception: A Key Word Analysis
    (arranged in order of frequency)

    [i]This is an analysis of the terminology and references used in the popular Alex Jones documentary film “The Obama Deception”. The results are scientific. The study was conducted on the entire 1 hour, 50 minute film.[/i]

    56 ‘Bankers’
    31 ‘Bilderberg’
    27 ‘Elite’
    21 ‘Globalists’
    21 ‘Trilateral Commission’
    15 ‘Council on Foreign Relations’
    7 ‘Nazis’
    5 ‘Adolf Hitler’
    5 ‘Anglo-American Empire/Germanic Death Cults’
    5 ‘Round Table groups’
    3 ‘U.S. Military’
    3 ‘C.I.A.’
    1 ‘Mossad’
    1 ‘Bolshevik’
    0 ‘Israel’
    0 ‘Zionist’
    0 ‘Jew’

  15. The Prodigal Son December 2, 2009 @ 3:58 am

    Ah-ha ! Gotcha Mr. Jone(ski) !

    Here’s the money-quote:

    “(…) talk bad about Jews all day and enjoy yourselves… uh, you know… getting your kicks ’cause you live in, you know… a… a one room apartment and you’re mad at life or whatever and wanna blame us… you know.”

    “Blame US” ?! Stop the presses !

    Alex Jone(ski) is here describing the ‘Hitler worshippers’ who “talk bad about Jews all day” and “wanna blame us”…

    Alex Jones just used the word “us”, including himself in a sentence about ‘persecuted’ Jews !!

    Did Alex Jones just admit that he is a Jew ?

    Sounds like it to me !

  16. Bob December 2, 2009 @ 5:44 am

    Nathanael,

    You have spoken truthfully a lot about Alex Jones, but how about the more famous TV and radio conservatives - Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Shawn (Sean?) Hannity?

    I listen to all of these regularly, Rush for many years, and never hear any of them talk about the one-world government conspiracy, Zionism, CFR, BB, or TC.

    Rush even so much as denied the existence of BB, TC, and CFR a few years back, saying he had “studied” the subject in depth and found that there was nothing to it.

    Are all of these people on the Zionist payroll? It would seem so.

    Bob

  17. arjan December 2, 2009 @ 6:43 am

    I never listened to him in 20 years of researching the truth.

    So now Brother Nathanael did a lot of research and proved that Alex Jones is a Zionist liar.

    End of story.

  18. Bulletinman December 2, 2009 @ 9:16 am

    Thanks Brother, I have made numerous attempts to contact Mr. Jones.

  19. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 9:35 am

    You’ve outdone yourself this time, Brother Nathanael. Great article!

    Alex Jones is going to blow a gasket when he sees this.

  20. BOHDAN the patriot December 2, 2009 @ 10:41 am

    THE REAL PATRIOT ACT

    EXPOSING, IDENTIFYING, ARRESTING, PROSECUTING AND ****UPON CONVICTION OF TREASON*** SENTENCING ZIONIST TRAITORS IS NOT ANTI SEMITIC.

    IT IS HOWEVER OUR LAWFUL, CONSTITUTIONAL AND PATRIOTIC DUTY AS AMERICANS TO PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC IT DEFINES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

    WE ALSO HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF A TRULY FREE AND INDEPENDENT PEOPLE.

  21. massi December 2, 2009 @ 10:47 am

    Perhaps it is a spiritual discernment, perhaps it is from the exposure to experience in life; but, from an even cursory listen to Mr. Jones, it is apparent that he is ‘Jew energized’ (if you know what I mean).

    It’s a nervous verbose energization that only Jews posses. A Satanic “energy source” to be more specific. Can anyone say ‘obnoxious’? Not only his words, but more so his manner. Note the “see how good I can talk” affirmation. He be da “yid”!

  22. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 11:44 am

    I think you may be onto something there, massi.

  23. JaneDoenut December 2, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

    Regardless of who or what Alex Jones is, he has done much to waken the masses. Anyone who becomes a serious researcher quickly loses interest in him as they form their own subjects of personal interest.

    Although I don’t care for him nor his theatrical tantrums, I do give him credit. I know with 100% certainty that he played a big roll in my own education many years ago.

  24. Joe Cortina December 2, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

    Great exposure Nathanael. You have effectively - with this last feature –nuked - carpet bombed - blown away - destroyed ANY credibility and totally exposed this scum-bag for what he really is.

    Alex Joenssteinfinklegoldfarbfish is a treasonous country-selling Ziobot shill - sock- puppet - shabbus goy - useful idiot for the IsraHELL lobby. Only a sub-ibecile with the IQ of a RETARDED oyster could believe otherwise after this magnifically presented expose’.

    Additionally - the endorsement by the evil of evils - the ADL - should be a wake up call even to those sharing brains and in more need of ‘being watered’ that being fed.

    Have any of you noticed that prominent lump between his right ear and right eye? That is where his ‘implant’ Ziobot chip from his demonic pals is. You see - Alex is a REAL LIFE ‘Telavivian Candidate’

    We can only hope, that like the Manchurian Candidate movie character - he comes to his senses - realizes what horrible deeds his evil demonic Zi-Obamanista handlers have made him committ - repents - and does the right thing to prevent further treason to his country. It would be the true patriot’s wet dream and a ‘good riddance’ service to us all.

    BTW - lots of good new stuff to read and learn on my site. Patriots invited.

    http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com

  25. 46 & 2 December 2, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

    Only 1 story today on Infowars about Israel and it’s on the very bottom.

    He also played a big role in waking me up as well but I’m done with his radio show for sure. It seems hard to believe but if you connect the dots it’s pretty obvious.

    At least Michael Rivero and Jeff Rense haven’t sold out yet…we need more real truth warriors on the front lines.

  26. Mike December 2, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

    Americans need to check out this new website just launched a few days ago, its called www.realoathkeepers.org

    It is not linked to the Jewish run “oathkeepers.org” which Alex Jones promotes heavily. This website is for real Americans to get together without Jewish interference.

    Get your hands on the book “basic training for revolutionaries” its the biggest heavy hitting book out there!

  27. Jimmy "T" December 2, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

    Mike,

    The site http://www.realoathkeepers.org/ was created by Adam Austin of http://www.subvertednation.net/.

    I visit Eric Hufschmid’s site @
    http://www.erichufschmid.net/index.html often as I enjoy his insightful commentary and Eric DOESN’T trust Austin.

    See here: http://www.erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-2009Sep20.html

    Scroll down about 1/3 for comments on Adam Austin under “The Jewish Pied Piper”.

    On another note, love your articles Brother Nathanael! Another donation is on it’s way.

    Also, lots of interesting comments from the bloggers here.

    Joe Cortina, I enjoy your articles at your site. Very hard hitting!

  28. David December 2, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

    2% of the American population controls all of the power levers - Hollywood, the media, banks, FED, and are way over represented in Washington.

    Yet never a word is spoken not even a question as to why?

    They own you now and their ways now prevail in America.

    Americans have been put to sleep by giving the people baubles, video games,TV, and sports.
    but while the American people slumbered they have lost their country.

    And nothing short of a revolution will get it back for them period.I am not a violent person and even I know there is no recourse except a revolution.

    The sad state of America is going to degrade fast now. Soon those who slumbered in America will awake to find they are in a Barrio in the middle of the third world. And once and for all out of the hair of Israel. All the wealth transferred out of America and the people will be desperate.

    Turn your back on the Lord and He will see to it you are not looked after.

    Once the dollar finally collapses, foreigners will pick the bones of America for everything worth anything.

    I pray for America I see her last days in the near future, I see much strife coming to America. The Lord no longer watches over America.

    I would not blame the Jews - it is the pretenders who are the source of your problems.
    Today Obama is surrounded by them in the WH. Yesterday, Bush was surrounded by them.

    They now control your horz and vert.

    Their values replace American values.

    God bless

  29. AG December 2, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

    WHO IS AN ANTI-SEMITE?
    ======================

    I. Those who protect their countries from the attacks of the ambitious Jewish striving for power, in that the former make use of the natural right, which all peoples possess, to defend independence and freedom.

    II. Those who exercise criticism of the disintegrating activity of the Jewish forces, which destroy the Christian family and degenerate the youth, and who combat these effects.

    III. Those who in any kind of form censure or combat hatred and racial discrimination, but which the Jews believe they have the right to exert against the Christians, although they hypocritically attempt to conceal it; and those who in any kind of form broadcast the misdeeds, offences and crimes that were committed by the Jews against the Christians, and demand deserved punishment for this.

    IV. Those who snatch away the mask from Jewry as leader of Communism, of Freemasonry and other underground movements, and attempt to attain that necessary measures are put in force to prevent disintegrating activity in the circle of the Christian family.

    V. Those who in any kind of form resist the Jewish activity that has the aim of destroying Holy Church and Christian civilisation in general.

    ======================

    The above is from The Plot Against the Church by Maurice Pinay.
    Available to read online at http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

  30. charlie December 2, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

    This is what Christ thinks of the pseudo-Jews.

    “He who denies me before men, I will deny them before My Father in Heaven.
    He who acknowledges Me before men I will acknowledge hm before My Father in Heaven.”

    Are not the money holders of the world and its rich men all pseudo-Jews? While people starve and die for lack of food and shelter all over the world?

    Are not the poisoners of our crops and our water supply and our blood all pseudo-Jews, Monsanto pesticides, chemical fertilizers weed sprays and GM crops, patent holders on seeds,non self propagating seeds, even requiring in the new Iraqi constitution that they buy their seeds from them, non self generating seeds, thus reducing them to less than slaves.
    Eli Lily and almost all the other drug and vaccine companies are Jew-owned.

    Christ said.

    “I was hungry and you did not feed me, thirsty and naked and you did not give me to drink and clothe me, homeless and you did not invite me into your home. Depart from Me you accursed evil doers into the eternal flames prepared for the devils and his followers.”

    Christ said “thou shalt not kill.”

    Yet the pseudo-Jew inspired wars all over the world this past 2000 years, depressions, communism, atheism, Jew spawned freemasonry, do nothing but torture and kill and maim, inducing poverty, starvation, sickness, especially and deliberatley in third world countries.

    Christ said:

    “My Kingdom is not of this earth.”

    Yet the pseudo-Jew kings of finance have and are attempting to turn the world into a one world satanic state.

    They have no concience, and endeavour by every possible electronic means to destoy the conciences of every man, woman and child on the face of the earth,

    even sending Alex Jones into Bohemian Grove to film the “Cremation of Care” (ie abolition of conscience) demonic ceremony, to subliminally degenerate the consciences of those who are amongst the elect.

    Christ said “People will come from afar to sup with me at my table, in my kingdom, but the children of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness there there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

    The real Jews, who followed Christ everywhere he went whilst he was on this earth, “in great multitudes” have been assimilated, according to the prophecy of the Old Testament, they have become the leaven of the nations, the backbone of Christianity, the light unto the gentiles, but their lineage is still known to God.

    Those who denied Christ, for fear of the authorities may have come to Christ later, or their descendants, we have no real way of knowing.

    As their lineage is known to God alone, Christ has exalted many of the number of the real Jews in the last book of the New Testament, the 144,000 virgins, priests and nuns and brothers of religious orders or lay people. 12,000 from each tribe, opposing them, in the same book, to the synagogue of Satan, or false (pseudo) Jews….those who claim to be Jews …. but are not.

    Thus we should not, strictly speaking use their own terms when preaching or speaking against these pseudo-Jews in my opinion, reinforcing their own falsity, but call them what they are, pseudo-Jews.

    Zionism forces the mark of Freemasonry on people, not the other way round. No one would accept a mark of Zionism - and yet the control is exercised by Zionism - “the hidden hand”

    Thus the battle is a spiritual one. But it requires all our strength, as those who deny Christ will inevitably accept satanic power. You cannot fight them physically unless this consists of resistance to harm or imprisonment, ie self defence, and by fleeing.

    “The abomination of desolation….” spoken of by the prophets and Christ himself, “standing in the place he ought not…” or “in the holy place’ or ‘in a holy place’ clearly refers to Bush and Obama (even the name gives the latter away), both were/are clearly illegitimate presidents, and the presidency of the Christian Republic of the USA is clearly a holy place, but also refers to a third and final antichrist, of whom the other two are merely but clearly forerunners, judging soley by their fruits.

    This third antichrist is therefore imminent.

    He may not be a US president however but could be a Master of a One World Government, clearly a place where no one should be and thus ’standing in a place he ought not’

    Putin and his allies may have other ideas however, and this battle will not be lost to us.

  31. Higuchi December 2, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

    I don’t know what to think. Maybe he keeps the word “Jew” out of the topic to play safe or not to be associated with antisemitism since the general public does’t know any difference.

    Makes sense to me, a redneck from Texas screaming “the Jews this and the Jews that”. The first thing to come to my mind will be the KKK.

    I’m not a Alex Jones fan or whatever but I do like his films. As for the radio show quotes, I have no means to listen to the show since I live in Japan, could you please link to a youtube clip?

  32. darth e vader December 2, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

    Joe Cortina has a way with words. Bro. Nat did great. Even so, I don’t think Alex has been nuked here. But I’ll give it another read.

    Please check out http://sealofsolomon.tripod.com for more info on the synagogue of satan.

    I think Father Fahey was right when he wrote that God is using the Jews to bring judgement down on unfaithful Christiandom — not that that’s any endorsement by God of Jewry; in
    fact, God deals with sin wherever He finds it, so the day of reckoning is on the way for the Zionistas.

    Again, great work by Bro Nat. Thanks.

    As for Alex, I don’t know what to say, except that if Bro Nat is right, Alex should buy some jam, ‘cuz he’s toast, unless he repents, of course.

    As for me, my virtual soul sisters and brothers, I have my own sins to contend with, so I am logging out for good now.

    God help us all. Fly low and avoid the radar.

  33. beijingyank December 2, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

    Dear Brother,

    You wrote a nice hit piece. I often wondered why Alex never brought up the dancing Israeli Mossad agents that pre-positioned cameras “to document the event,” (911) or Alex never bringing up the Israeli pre-knowledgege of 911. (Odigo)

    I often thought Alex just followed the unwritten rule in media never to criticize the Jews because it’s tantamount to professional suicide.

    I also suspect his true connections are with the John Birchers. This is another organization I have great suspicion of as well.

    I read your gear Brother and I agree with many of the things you say.

    I grew up on Long Island. A place no doubt you know has more Jews than Israel. Now I don’t consider myself an anti Semite. But I am not afraid to tell you I am against the political movement that hijacked Judaism better known as Zionism.

    I disagree with you the vast majority of elites are Jews. I see them as the administrators of the Oligarchs. My research leans to the unholy alliance coming with the Oligarchs teaming up with the Zionists to murder JFK. This power grab has been in place ever since. Oligarchs at the top, the Zionist administrators in finance, media, and law, married to the military industrial prison drug running complex.

    The “oathers” face a tyranny of incredible force. Not all Jews are Zionists, and in order for Americans to free itself from the tyranny, the Patriots will need their help.

    Alex’s forum has been shut down recently. Your article sure sheds light into why people have been censored through banning because of their political beliefs against Zionism.

  34. maria December 2, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

    Just stop visits to Jewish doctors and lawyers and any professionals of the Jews.

    Never take a loan from a Jew, don´t buy their newspapers, watch their TV channels, ABC and so on; don´t buy their movies or music, Michael Jackson lately.

    And basically know that they have 5-7 trillion derivates on the business market = toxic assets, that they are trying to get rid of by using their business. If you don´t aid their business, buy nothing Jewish-owned, you help the matter to hopefully go them to ruin.

  35. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

    Jews aren’t the “administrators” of the Oligarchs. Jews ARE the Oligarchs.

  36. jonah December 2, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

    Yes, International Fascist Rothschild JEWRY funds and propagates SCUM such as Alex Jones and his cohorts.

    Lock step into the frenzy over so-called, “Climate-Gate”, these right wing neo-fascists strongly support all efforts to debunk the threat of Global Climate Change: The #1 international security issue on Earth in 2010.

    This is the JEW Rothschild agenda, because Global Warming is the Mother of ALL global eugenics programs and is slated to destroy the lives of BILLIONS in the years ahead.

    http://mothereugenics.i8.com

    Jonah
    California USA
    http://pl1.i8.com/jews.html
    ————————————–

  37. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

    Brother Nathanael, I love your photo montages of Alex Jones with Abe Foxman and also his Jewish media bosses. That stuff cracks me up. :lol:

  38. enya December 2, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

    I realized a while ago just who Mr. Jones is working for.

  39. John Z December 2, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

    Brother Nathanael, Did you receive the donation I sent you?

    I know there are people who work within the USPS who may refuse to forward such mailings to the addressee if they know who they are going to.

  40. Hoff December 2, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

    Brother Nathan on radio.

    http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2009/12/02/brother-nathanael-kapner-speaks/

  41. the Brainy Zek December 2, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

    Z.O.G:

    You have swarmed us with FACTS about Alex Jones!!

    Do you have a website??

    Also I advise ANY reader of this site or ANY site to vist Joe Cortina site as it is BRILLIANT in TRUTH and ENLIGHTENMENT!!

  42. suzanne December 2, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

    WOW. WOW and WOW! This is the most brilliant expose on that shill Alex Jones to-date.

    Daryl Bradford Smith and Ognir have been telling us this for a long time. Alex Jones has been caught with his pants down. Yuck.

    It is a real buzz to come on here and see a comment by one of my favourite people in the world. Mark Glenn. I look forward to the interview with Mark Glenn and Brother Nathanael.

    Kisses and hugs all ’round to everybody who has commented on this site. It is wonderful how the Lord Jesus Christ has opened up the hearts and minds of His true followers to the Truth.

    “Know the Truth and the Truth will set you free”. Amen.

  43. Theodora December 2, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

    Maybe Alex Jones is right in a twisted way with his statement on the Arabs and Hollywood.

    On Islamic Intelligence you may find an article written by Muhammad Salaam - I believe this brave man has been killed. ‘Toutes les dictatures Arabes sont dirigees par des sefarades.’ (All the Arab dictatorships are ruled by Sefardics.)

    Please don’t be intimidated by the French headline; the article is in English. It tells the story of the royal family of Saudi Arabië. They happen to be Jewish. So Obama was not bowing to a Muslim, but to another Zionist (??).

    Judith Reisman mentions in her ‘She could have died, Roman’ on this child rape, that Polansky was partying in London with his Arab friends while his pregnant wife was being killed by the Manson gang.

    Probably these Arabs were of the same Zionist Hollywood cabal …?

    If Muhammad Salaam was right then it sheds a whole new light on the recent mass immigration of Muslims to Europe. There exists a Treaty on this immigration made in Strassburg during the oil crisis: ‘Oil for Immigration’. The ‘Arabs’ demanded a free immigration of Muslims to all European countries and a strong support of Muslim culture in Europe. This Treaty has been concealed of course from the people of Europe.

    Is this all part of the Zionist plan to destroy Christian Europe? To organise the ‘Clash of Civilizations’? Are they out for civil war and chaos, so they can start their NWO?

    Please forgive me my poor English since I am no native speaker. I live in Amsterdam and it has been a while now that I visit this site. It has been very instructive to me. I often have read with tears in my eyes because of so much evil I learned about.

    I am very thankful for all the lessons.

  44. Wilson December 2, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

    +BN:

    Love you man.

    I appreciate your wit too:

    ‘”The Arabs own Hollywood and everyone knows it’ is truly a classic faux pas. The ‘Arabs’? He might as well have tried to deny the existence of the sun.”

    (Correctomundo: There are essentially NO gentiles with a salary in Hollywood)

    We have to take this craziness with a little humor, because it is indeed outrageously absurd - See Abe Foxman’s apoplectic fat face and smile.

    I’ve known AJ was a fake from the very get go. You can’t touch on these matters and not see it of course: you can only deny it.

    The fact is we are awash in a sea of hard-core propaganda morning, noon, and night. Welcome to the great USA.

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  46. Jimmt December 2, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

    Brother, this is a great piece. As you expose Alex Jones you also warn about deception and disinformation machines masquerading as truth seekers.

    Thanks.

    God is Light. Resist the Beast!

  47. garry December 2, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

    Ok, who owns the radio station that Alex broadcasts from?

  48. garry December 2, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

    Ok, here’s another one. 6,ooo,ooo Judeans murdered in the Nazis holocaust.

    That is the same number of people living in New York City and suburbs or the number of people living in LA and suburbs.

    Where in the hell do you bury that many people in in such a short time frame?

    It’s overwhelming. An entire city the size of NY or LA.

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  50. Kuala Lumpur December 2, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

    Theodora, I’ve seen the news but unfortunately not fast enough to read it via a links from rense.com. Some sort of link banned…

    Some how… I’ve long be suspicious about the Saudi royal family…

    If its true, it will be a world shattering enlightment for the Muslims world wide.

  51. Gregg December 2, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

    How tiring it is to see people searching for the truth to be in-fighting.

    Alex has been called many things.

    He explained his “Arabs own Hollywood” comment just the other day.

    He broadcasts live - 4hrs. a day, and talks openly about how he feels, his attackers, how events have changed his views - and people take 1 single sentence and make it out to be his WHOLE PERSPECTIVE?

    Alex has repeatedly called out the FED, Goldman Sachs, The Bank of England, Rothschild. Obviously if he were trying to protect Jews he wouldn’t do that.

    It’s far more important to be aware of What they are doing, and stopping that. There are others besides Jews who are Zionists.

    Not all Jews are Zionists.

    The Bank of England was formed I think in the late 1600’s - well before Zionism.

    Tyranny is Tyranny - no matter what you call it.

  52. Friend December 2, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

    Terrific job, Bro. Nate.

    You’re an impressive investigative reporter.

    I hope your expose of AJ gets plenty of attention at places like Rense and Patriot sites.

  53. TheDude December 2, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

    This article does not expose AJ but just offers an opinion on the nature of the ADL artlicle. It contains no proof of Alex being a shill but makes the assumption that he is. I mean come on, Alex Jones has been on air for over a decade and this is the best proof you have?

    I am against Zionism too but I think most of you guys seem blinded by it to the point of obsession. Your focus is only on Zionism which is so abstract to most people that they just ignore you. The focus needs to be on the heads of the banking institutes and corporations causing the problems, who gives a toss if they are Zionists or Christians or whatever.

    Alex Jones understands this and that is why he restrains from muddying the waters and confusing people with religious accusations. It would cause more damage than good.

    Its the bankers people! Focus on the bankers. At least its tangible and people can understand the problem. It’s much more productive than accusing an intangible belief system, especially when most people will write you off as racists. Not only that but this kind of dissent creates division and infighting within the freedom movements even though you have common goals.

  54. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

    @ garry December 2, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

    Ok, who owns the radio station that Alex broadcasts from?

    Alex Jones’ flagship radio station is KLBJ AM in Austin, Texas. KLBJ AM is owned by Emmis Communications of Indianapolis, Indiana. The founder, president, CEO, and chairman of the board of directors of Emmis Communications is the Jew Jeffrey H. Smulyan.

    http://www.emmis.com/executives/smulyan.aspx

  55. katman December 2, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

    Cool. Jesse Ventura has a new show on cable channel 46 Tru TV called “conspiracy theories”.

    Tonight he went into depth about Jewish control of the media……

    NOT !!!!

    Its another Alex Jones, looking under every rock for the truth but not finding it….

  56. katman December 2, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

    Oh come on gregg.

    Give it a break. Your boy has been outed. Deal with it and quit defending him until the end.

    The guy is worthless. All he cares about is money and himself and meeting movie stars and rock stars, etc…. There is something wrong with him.

    Things started changing for him when he married that Jewish girl. Gee I wonder why?

  57. Z.O.G. December 2, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

    Emmis Communications is a publicly traded company, but you can be sure that Jeffrey Smulyan owns a controlling interest in the stock, because he founded the company and still controls it. He is the president, CEO, and chairman of the board of directors.

  58. serpentseed December 2, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

    Beware, AJ goes Zionist in this clip. Perfect ending to BN’s fine article.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQxuvBUdhrE&feature=player_embedded#

  59. Max December 2, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

    What concerns me more about Alex Jones is him inviting all these Knights of Malta on his show and given them Air Time and praising them like there is no tomorrow, but at the same time totally ignoring the Vatican, Jesuit and Knights of Malta connection.

    Some expert researchers say that the Zionists are just the money managers, but the money owners are not Zionists, but Knights of Malta and Catholics and I agree with that.

    What religion is Nancy Pelosi, what religion is the new President of the European Union, what religion did Tony Blair convert to two years ago, yes Roman Catholicism.

    Here two heavy hitter Knights of Malta that are regularly on Alex Jones’s show:

    Lord Monckton:

    Monckton is a member of the Worshipful Company of Broderers, an Officer of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, a Knight of Honour and Devotion of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and a member of the Roman Catholic Mass Media Commission. He is also a qualified Day Skipper with the Royal Yachting Association, and has been a Trustee of the Hales Trophy for the Blue Riband of the Atlantic since 1986.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley

    Pat Buchanan:

    Buchanan is a member of the traditionalist movement within Roman Catholicism, attending the Tridentine Mass in the Latin language at Saint Mary, Mother of God Church in Washington, D.C. on Sundays and holy days. In a 1993 speech against multiculturalism, he declared:

    “ Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Pat_Buchanan

    Alex Jones must be a robot or brainwashed, otherwise he couldn’t continue making his show, because it has become or maybe always has been a propaganda tool for the Power that Be.

  60. serpentseed December 2, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

    I have tried to post this link on disinfowars.com numerous times, it never gets past his moderators for some reason. If you want to learn how to connect the dots to the Jew World Order this is a must watch video. Alex Jewns won’t allow anything on his sites that points the finger at his Judaic paymasters.

    I’ve been banned from the prisonplanet forum and am now blocked from posting comments on articles even though I have never threatened anyone or even used profanities.

    Alex “moneybomb” Joones is an expert at misdirection.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7877765982288566190#

  61. Ken December 2, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

    Brother Nathanael, you are a wonderful resource.

    Please be careful because you can bet they will be after you.

    Ken

    http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

  62. Concrete man December 2, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

    Merry CHRISTmas Brother Nate!

    Enjoyed your show with Mark Glenn, aka MG Hammer.

    You lit a fire under my backside and have donated fifty buckaroos to your cause!

  63. Pundit99 December 3, 2009 @ 12:22 am

    Since I do read Jones site I try to add some intelligent comments to the drivel that most of his fans contribute. Without fail, AJ & Staff will delete virtually any blog that mentions the word ‘Jew,’ and especially if you pair this with any or all of these words in addition……. ” final solution, ADL, Hate speech, protocols, lay-lines, Kazars, nuke, burn, and City of London.”

    Also, NEVER mention AJ’s past, it seems to bother him greatly when local Austin folks mention his prior role(s) in local politics. The comments I refer to being *deleted* are not malicous, but rather from direct & candid personal interactions over the years.

  64. Frustrated Christian December 3, 2009 @ 12:33 am

    Brother Nathanael,

    You are one of my heroes.

    Oh, that the capital “J” Jew little “d” deo-Christians wake up and see the steam roller coming up the road. We all know the false prophets John Hagee, Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye. Only recently did I learn that the bit of the one-size-fits-all Jewish harness is firmly in the mouth of Alex Jones.

    You were able to flee Talmudism for Christianity, even more, to find the truth about Zionism. Oh, that Alex would go the Full Monty in truth and come out from among them.

    If not, as you so capably do, continue expose him, them, and Zionism. Speaking of individual responsibility, Jones’ blood is on his own head.

    With admiration and awe, F.C.

    PS: Serpentseed,

    Welcome to the club, I have been totally banned from World net Daily for politely telling historical truth. Then, after being the verbal punching bag of the group, without moderator intervention, they accused me of making fun of other people’s faith! Glad I copy and pasted those communications, just in case.

    PS: Greg

    RE: Alex…explained his “Arabs own Hollywood”

    Buy and read “An Empire of Their Own, How the Jews invented Hollywood” by Jewish author Neil Gabler. This was also made into an hour long TV show by the same title and Gable appeared in it.

    Consider that our unconstitutional Federal Reserve was created by a Jewish/German immigrant named Paul Warburg. Guess who then ran it? Woodrow Wilson got elected on a non-interventionist/no war platform. But German Jews turned Germany’s victory in WWI in 1916, into a certain defeat by getting the US into the war in exchange for them being allowed to steal Palestine. That was ground zero for Zionism. The Brass Ring.

    The plot thickened. While Paul Warburg ran the US Federal Reserve, his Jewish/German brother Max Warburg was running the German Federal Reserve.

    Oi vey, the same family financing both sides of the war. Such a deal.

    (When the post WWI starving/broke Germans found out about the German/Jew betrayal they were ticked off. The Jews decalring war on German in 1933 was the final straw.)

    RE: The Bank of England was formed I think in the late 1600’s - well before Zionism.

    Ever hear of the Rothschild family? The old man, Amschel Rothschild put each of his 5 sons in control of 5 key European banks. London’s was run by Nathan Meyer Rothschild. Total control since the early 1800’s. Jews all.

    Israelites according to the Book of Nehemiah 5:1-13, couldn’t charge interest amongst themselves and then only 1/100 (1%) to the alien. But that doesn’t stop the Jews! Talmudists could care less what the Bible says.

    (Note: In Nehemiah the “Jews” were Israelites having returned from Babylon, different people than the Jews of today.) I’d mention the Jubilee, the cancelling of debt, but it might give any Jew reading this a heart attack…

    Don’t drop a penny around a couple Jews. You’ll be left with a copper wire.

  65. Brad Pitt December 3, 2009 @ 1:57 am

    We’ve known for years that Jones is a patsy/mole, working for ther other team.

    RIP William Cooper.

  66. Happy Gilmore December 3, 2009 @ 3:03 am

    I have been what you call a supporter of AJ for years now and in the past have valued many of the insights as to what the “plans” were for taking down the American Economy.

    Having said that I was recently banned from PP as the site was SHUT DOWN and it was modded so that IP addresses would be blocked from ‘patriots’ who post outside the Free Speach zone (free speech blocker) he has created, now if you go to PrisonPlanet.com you will see Comment Rules…

    You cannot go off topic, but who decides?

    I have always felt that AJ was in some wierd way fostering Fear so that the other side could take the resistance down a notch.

    Unfortunately the propaganda from Jones will be his own undoing and his refusal to allow those who have supported him for years to post on his website as the Final Straw that proves he cannot go against his “masters” who make his Paycheck suppreme in the Patriot World.

    Beware of this Wolf in Sheeps clothing, he will suck the life out of your conscience if you let him LIE to you….

  67. Hoff December 3, 2009 @ 4:23 am

    This is a two hour documentary about the Jews. This is the only documentary you need to watch. MANDATORY!

    http://www.911missinglinks.com/

    “Hollywood An Empire Of Their Own (1 of 3)” Mandatory! Let Alex JoneStein debunk the Jews that says that Jews owns Hollywood. Jews started Hollywood. Jews run Hollywood. Period.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YZws9xYEQ

  68. DachsieLady December 3, 2009 @ 5:55 am

    Thank you for posting this hypothesis which I have come to form also in my mind over the last few months. I only listen to AJ when in my car but I am amazed at how much time he spends on his show ranting about all the so called “hit pieces” in the media about him.

    This is a phony set-up fight. Clearly, a problem-reaction-solution dialectic scam of Jones’. Never never thought he would stoop to that low garbage but it certainly does APPEAR that he is USING these “hit pieces” for self aggrandizement and his money bottom line.

    I am of Roman Catholic background, am anti - “Zionist” by my defininition of the term, and am not an “anti-semite.” For interesting, non RC mainstream RC theology on these matters read Robert Sungenis of Catholicintl.com.

    The only problem I have with all of this subject is that the term “Jews” seems to always collectize a whole group of people, labels them, and then makes pronouncements about this collective group. We never seem to have a clear definition of terms accepted by all. What is a “Zionist”? What is a “Jew”? What is a “Semite”?

    Nevertheless, I must heartily thank Brother Nathaniel for putting in words the idea that Alex Jones is painting himself as being “hit on” by the ADL.

    About 85 percent of his talk on his show these days is promoting himself as a big important target of some big important powerful groups.

    I do consider the idea that AJ is an ADL product to still be an hypothesis. We can never really prove any of this, but it certainly seems like a plausible hypothesis and one that needed to be stated nice and clearly as Brother Nathaniel did.

    God bless us each and every one in the Name of the One Who said He is Truth.

  69. jonathon December 3, 2009 @ 6:09 am

    Brilliant analysis of A Jones, What a fear monger his is, full of hot air and nonsense. In classic style the Zionists weave bits of truth in with the mis-info so its slips more easily into the mind.

  70. Rev Reggie Jackson December 3, 2009 @ 6:26 am

    Sorry guys!! But I support Alex Jones because he does expose the most evilest of the new world order antichrist beast system that are run by the International banksters. And the reason that he doesn’t say the word “Jew” is because it is racial.

    It is like saying “Blacks” or it is like saying “Mexicans”!! He uses words like the illegals but he seldom says, “Mexicans” as it is a race of people. And he very rarely says “Blacks” because he respects the African American race. And he respects the Jewish race also.

    So get over it and stand with us in our exposure of the new world order!!

  71. scrybe December 3, 2009 @ 6:51 am

    Not all Jews are Zionists.

  72. Z.O.G. December 3, 2009 @ 7:23 am

    Hey, katman! What’s up? Long time, no see. I hope Peter starts doing his radio show again some time soon. There’s nothing to listen to on the internet!

  73. Z.O.G. December 3, 2009 @ 7:24 am

    Alex Jones discredits 911 truth movement with phony interview

    http://shankradioworldwide.typepad.com/shankradio_world_wide/2009/09/alex-jones-discredits-truth-movement-on-eve-of-911-with-phony-interview.html

  74. Slava December 3, 2009 @ 7:34 am

    It was time somebody expose that infiltrator Alex Jones!!!

    ————————–
    Brother Nathanael wrote about Alex Jones:

    …he ONLY mentions Zionism in passing when he absolutely must.

    When viewing his ‘films,’ most come away feeling as if they’ve been bludgeoned and beaten to near hopelessness.
    ——————————

    Absolutely correct Brother Nathanael!

  75. Slava December 3, 2009 @ 7:38 am

    Ken
    December 2, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

    Brother Nathanael, you are a wonderful resource.

    Please be careful because you can bet they will be after you.
    ————————————————–

    We all should be careful because THEY are after all of US now, here and now at this moment!

  76. brother M December 3, 2009 @ 7:40 am

    Thank you Brother N+ !! WOW, Joe Cortina and Mark Glenn posting here! This article IS great!!

  77. Sandra December 3, 2009 @ 7:56 am

    Brother Nathanael,

    Merry CHRISTmas! Thanks for all of your hard work and truth telling. And thanks for another great article–I’ve suspected this about AJ for quite a while now. Though Alex has definitely woken people up, he refuses to tell the truth about who is really doing this to us and all of humanity.

    I just finished listening to your interview w/Mark Glenn and was really happy to hear that you are going to be a regular guest on his broadcasts:)

    FYI-I just made a small donation (I wish I could give more to support your valuable work, but I’m between jobs right now).

  78. Bill December 3, 2009 @ 8:59 am

    Jones has Too Much Wealth and Too Much going on compared to other broadcasters.

    I have listened to shortwave radio programs for 25 years and most people (even international government broadcasts) do not have the budget and stuff (videos, books, TV & AM radio guest appearances) that Jones has.

    His whole operation is just Too Fat for any reasonable explanation.

    Thanks, I will look at his connections to others.

  79. NATSARIM December 3, 2009 @ 9:35 am

    Greetings Nathanael:

    Another excellent expose. Your tireless investigate and research to expose the truth is admirable. It is time to draw your attention to the page “666″ at http://www.natsarim.com. Do not fear this particular truth… expose it.

    Natsarim

  80. Wicked Jew culture December 3, 2009 @ 9:46 am

    I have news for Jew-defenders, The Jews as a whole are recruiting white, black, and Asian–but mostly white–people who are capable of thinking like the Jews, then the Jews teach them to ACT and THINK like Jews, and them put them in positions of power everywhere, and intermarrying with them.

    The Jews are terraforming America to be the new Soviet Union. Their wicked culture comes from their wicked minds. It always regenerates, and always will unless they are forced to give up their Culture of Death.

  81. doug December 3, 2009 @ 9:57 am

    Jason Bermas “went off” on a caller who said that the Jews own Hollywood.

  82. Gregg December 3, 2009 @ 10:03 am

    Frustrated Christian -

    Obviously you haven’t seen “END GAME” by Alex, where he gives a brief history of the Rothschilds and the takeover of the British stock market after Napolean’s defeat.

    He has discussed the set-up of the FED and had the authors of various books on the FED as guests.

    All of us who understand what’s been going on know all about the early history of CENTRAL banks etc.

    Again, you people are focusing on the wrong target.

    Bring down the Bankers = bring down the Jews, and any other person trying to dominate the world through money.

    Alex has the Bankers firmly in his sights.

  83. profnasty December 3, 2009 @ 10:13 am

    I saw the Mexican invaders gather a group of 50,000 strong young men in a time frame of two weeks. This happened in Ft. Myers Fl. on April 10, 2002.

    I do declare the battle in the US is lost. Our V. President is a self-declared Zionist. Gore’s running-mate Leiberman, puleeeze. The battle is lost. The North American Union is already established. …..sorry.

    AJ is perhaps aware of American’s position of absolute defeat. Why torment your own master?

  84. Marti December 3, 2009 @ 10:40 am

    First I wish to say thank you to Brother Nathanael for this informative site.

    Salvation does not depend on any denomination what-so-ever. It depends on a faith in our Almighty Lord, Jesus Christ and accepting Him as our Lord and Savior. I am a born again Christian (1 John: 3) that claims no denomination just as the Holy Bible does not claim any demonination.

    The Holy Bible is about God, not denominations. Marti

  85. Hello December 3, 2009 @ 11:17 am

    There is an article in June 2009 National Geographic on “The Christian Exodus from the Holy Land.”

    Now, Arab Christians, 2% of the total population, are a dwindling link between East and West and a diminishing buffer in the warring Holy Land, where they were once in the majority. They are the collateral damage of the war..

    They are the speakers of Aramaic- -the language Jesus spoke, ‘the witnesses for peace,” where Jesus walked and taught and “spent his last night on earth.” In this “oxygen starved” space where they live the situation for Arab Christians has gone down. Many Americans don’t know there are Arab Christians and that they are the last link in the Holy Land living in constant danger.

    What historian will document their lives, their communities, and the native history of these Christians?

  86. Mike December 3, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

    Jimmy T- What does Adam Austin say that is incorrect?

    Eric H is there to give you all the info about Jews, but his role is for everyone to be suspicious of everyone and NOT get together to form any groups or resistance. That is his primary role. I have watched Eric develop over the years, along with ALex Jones and many other so called truth seekers. Most have a role to play. You have to figure out what they want.

    Adam Austin is pissed off at Jewish control over America, and wants to actually DO SOMETHING about it, rather than just write about it.

    Alex Jones is there to divert people away from Jews, and to also SCARE THE LIVING *H*T out of people as to make them feel like they are helpless to stop the march of the NWO. Don’t be scared, there are MILLIONS of people in America that feel the same way, but people like Eric and Alex divide and get people running around in all directions.

    I see none of that at subevertednation.net or realoathkeepers.org It’s about real Americans coming together for a real solution.

    All Americans that are fed up with Jewish control over America, or know something is wrong with America and WANT TO KNOW, are encouraged to visit and help do something.

    Talking about Jews, or to Jews, will not make them change their ways, even Brother Nat would agree.

    Don’t “follow” anyone, but do join up with others of like mind. Eric is offering nothing but “be suspicious of everyone” which will guarantee no resistance to the Jewish crime network whatsoever, which is exactly what they want.

  87. katman December 3, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

    Alexander Bullhorn Jones is the patriotard eqivalent to Rush Limbaugh.

    Hey ZOG, what is going on? I don’t think the man called shank will do much anymore. I think he got kind of mad about that situation that happened over at vor and that was about it for him.

    I do wish Brother Nathanael would get on RBN, that is of course if the strange Mr. Stadtmiller will let him have a slot. I am sure it would be most interesting and enlightening.

    He could come on right after George, the Hungarian Catholic. That would as the former wrestling star, Hulk Hogan, might say, be …..just “too sweeeeeeeeeeettttt”…..:)

  88. Z.O.G. December 3, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

    Brother Nathanael, here is a picture of the chairman of the board of directors of Sirius XM Radio, Eddy W. Hartenstein. He is also the Publisher and CEO of the Los Angeles Times. He’s a case study in Jewish media control.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/16/eddy.jpg

  89. Hoff December 3, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

    ” Ukraine is accusing Israel of harvesting organs from 25,000 missing Ukrainian children taken to Israel.”

    http://irish4palestine.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-organ-theft-ukraine-isnt-gaza.html

  90. serpentseed December 3, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

    The biggest problem I see is that most of those calling themselves Jews have no idea what the term Jew means. Henry Makow just published an article called “Jesus was not a Jew” which refers to Benjamin Freedman’s letter “facts are fact”. Mr. Freedman converted to Christianity like BN.

    http://www.henrymakow.com/jesus_was_not_a_jew_–benjamin.html

    Although it is true that all Jews are not Zionist it doesn’t mean that Judaism is not evil at the core, just google the Talmud revealed. Judaism is anti-Christ.

    Why is it that the Bible seems incomplete? Because it is incomplete, the Bible is simply a collection of books assembled by Constantine and fails to tell the whole story of human origin.

    We are not now, nor have we ever been alone in the Universe. You see, some where along the line we were all taught that angels exist but aliens don’t, maybe the biggest lie ever perpetrated on humanity. Enoch, Noah’s Great Grandfather was a prolific writer and yet none of his books made it into the Bible.

    He wrote in The Book of Enoch about the children of light coming to Earth and having sexual intercourse with the daughters of men. He also spoke of these children of light corrupting everything on Earth, from birds to humans. They created chimeric monstrosities mixing DNA in ways that are unbelievable yet true.

    Enoch also wrote of his travels around Earth with an angel who showed him many things that would happen in the future, he was shown huge “hollow places” in the Earth where spirits would be held until Judgement Day. I have not finished the book but it is also a must read if you are not satisfied with anything short of the “whole truth”.
    You can listen to The Book of Enoch in audio format here:

    http://www.sherryaudios.com/
    Scroll down the page about half way.

  91. The Prodigal Son December 3, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

    DachsieLady,

    You asked, “What is a “Zionist”? What is a “Jew”? What is a “Semite”?”…

    A Zionist is someone (’Jewish’ or ‘Judeo-Christian’… both of which incidentally are misnomers) who believes (or wants you to think he believes) that the state of Israel today is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

    Most (all of the first) Zionists were & are ‘Jewish’. These ‘Jews’ are criminals who wish to establish a headquarters in the Holy Land.

    Regular ‘Jews’ (like Naturei Karta) are criminals who don’t want to go to Israel because they believe (or say they believe) - CORRECTLY - that God has FORBIDDEN ‘Jews’ to return and govern in the Holy Land at least until Shiloh (Messiah) comes…

    I think they understand that a parasite cannot survive without a host.

    All who call themselves ‘Jews’ today (except the Karaites and some Ethiopians) are in submission (whether they know it or not) to the rabbis and the Talmud.

    Adherance to the Talmud and the oral laws handed down by the rabbis is what makes a ‘Jew’ a ‘Jew’.

    Do not be confused - ‘Jew’ is NOT a race… it is a cult religion; reactionary and anti-Christ.

    We know that (Pharisaic) ‘Judaism’ as it is today is reactionary to Christianity because it mentions Christians and Jesus Christ specifically (if in a derogatory way).

    Adam and Eve were not ‘Jews’… Noah was not a ‘Jew’… Neither Abraham, Isaac, nor Jacob/Israel were ‘Jews’.

    The first REAL ‘Jew’, I guess you could say was Judah - one of Isaacs sons and progenator of the tribe of Judah (only ONE of the tribes of Israel).

    The other 11 tribes were not ‘Jews’ therefore, and were never called such - except in the context that they were residents of the geographic location known also as Judah (or later of Judea - the Roman province).

    Then (as now), there were those who called themselves ‘Jews’ (Judahites - of the tribe of Judah) who were NOT !

    In about 126 BC, the people of Edom (Idumea) were conquered by the men of Judah… after that the Edomites were also called ‘Jews’.

    So these Edomites were residents of Judah (later to become Judea under Roman Rule), but they were NOT Judahites of the tribe of Judah, as Jesus was.

    In Christ’s time, Herod was King… Herod and the High Priests he appointed were all Edomites, not Israelites !

    So it was the Edomite Herod who tried to kill Christ when He was born, and it was the Edomite High Priests who demanded Christ be crucified.

    The ‘multitudes’ (and those Pharisees who were of Israel) welcomed Christ’s coming and accepted Him as the Messiah… these were the Children of Israel, many of them real Judahites and Benjamites…

    These went on to be known as Christians.

    The Edomite Pharisees and those who followed them become ‘Jews’ in religion as opposed to the Christians after the destruction of the Temple.

    When Jerome went to Palestine to translate the Scrptures into Latin… instead of consulting with the Orthodox Christians in the Holy Land, instead he met with the ‘Jews’ (Masoretes)!

    In the ‘Jewish’ Masoretic (Pharisaic) texts (as opposed to the Orthodox Christian Septuagint, which is quoted from by Christ in the New Testament), the ‘Jews’ have gone to considerable effort to conceal the history of the nation of Edom, changing Scriptures to that end and others.

    And today, many Christians believe that the Children of Israel demanded the death of their own messiah, when the main perpetrators were really chilren of Edom - a people hated and cursed by God.

    A Semite is a descendant of Shem (Shemite), one of Noah’s sons after the flood.

    The vast majority of those today calling themselves ‘Jews’ are REALLY of Khazarian descent, and are probably descendants of Gomer - certainly not Shem. The evidence is in their Yiddish, which is not a Semitic language.

    Palestinians however ARE Semitic in ancestry, and fake ‘Jews’ are killing them at an alarming pace !

    So who are the real ‘anti-Semites’ ?

    ALL ‘Jews’ are anti-Christ, or they would not call themselves ‘Jews’.

  92. jonah December 3, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

    Again, another WONDERFUL piece on Alex Jones and Co.

    Yes, HE IS run, funded and directed by Int’l Rothschild Jewry.

    Alex Jones and the Rothschild Empire BOTH want to discredit and debunk the threat of Global Climate Change. Why? Becaise it serves their GLOBAL EUGENICS plans to depopulate the Earth.

    see url: http://mothereugenics.i8.com

    Exposed now he is- Alex Jones- Servant of the Jew World Order! Put in place to define, manipulate and control dissent- STRAIGHT out of Nazi GermanY!

    Jonas
    California USA
    http://intljewry7.20m.com

    ——————————————

  93. John Back From The Club Of Rome December 3, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

    I know you’re all having a lot of fun and I hope I don’t rain on your parade.

    I have worked around and studied these oligarchs. My personal awakening came after I attended a Club Of Rome symposium.

    This was a Middle Eastern symposium on population reduction. Seated together were Israeli weapons oligarchs and Saudi oil emirates along with people from the European financial circles. The Israelis and Saudis were without a doubt very well aquatinted and OVER THE TOP friendly towards one another.

    This struck me very odd (you had to have seen it). So, I was able to do some footwork research (pre-internet the best research really) over the years.

    Take it or leave it, you can call them Jews, you can call them Zionists, they can call themselves this until the sky falls. These are hardcore Satanists plain and simple, and they are not alone.

  94. Freedom Of Mind Body and Soul December 3, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

    Alex Jones Is Goldstein from 1984.

    The promoter of a “revolution” that is a deception by the party, the establishment.

    Controlled dissent. Controlled dissent, Controlled dissent.

    People are not stupid JONES! your bubble is coming to a burst.

    Incredible article, very eloquent and beautifully versed.

    God Bless, and happy coming CHRISTmas.

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  99. Al whorwood December 3, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    I say this with great regret about Alex Jones - I trully wish it wasn’t so but my heart is with you and everyone on your site.

    I thought Jones was among us. I hope Ron Paul and David Duke are for real.

  100. Lynda December 3, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

    Serpentseed, the Sacred Texts of both Old and New Covenants: the Bible is complete.

    The doctrine of the fallen of the b’nai h’elohim is in the Bible. Ditto for gibborim, nephilim etc. The Apostle Jude quotes the Book of Enoch.

    The Sacred Text does not want people to become obsessed (possessed) by the mystery of iniquity. God’s self disclosure to man is the far more fascinating subject. Our Lord, whose name is Salvation, wants us to be occupied with him and what he is doing, not what Satan is doing.

    However, now in our own time as the harvest comes into both its grain and its tares the mystery of iniquity is being revealed.

    No one could have put this together from any text or even secret initiation until now. The secrets are being shouted from the housetops - literally on universal broadband.

  101. KathJuliane December 3, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus Christ, Brother Nathanael!

    I don’t have audio, so not able to hear you on our dear brother Mark Glenn’s site sorry to say, but glory to God for all things you are able to speak out on behalf of RZN family. God bless you Mark!

    Serpentseed wrote: “Why is it that the Bible seems incomplete? Because it is incomplete, the Bible is simply a collection of books assembled by Constantine and fails to tell the whole story of human origin.”

    First off, Sacred Scripture are those books written by the holy Prophets and Apostles under the action of the Holy Spirit; therefore they are called “divinely inspired.” They are divided into books of the Old Covenant (Testament) and the books of the New Covenant (Testament).

    The OT is the spiritual history of the people of God being prepared for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in the plan of Salvation; the NT is the Apostolic witness that the Promised Messiah the Son of God had come to Israel in His incarnate Person as the God-Man born of the Virigin Mary, was crucified, buried and resurrected, and on Pentecost Day the New Israel was born under the New Covenant.

    Within the much wider Church literary tradition and patristics, books like Enoch, which certainly transmitted a considerable amount of earlier tradition, were studied by the Fathers, classified as pious literature, but were not considered as Divinely inspired, if for no other reason than it couldn’t be proven that a prophet had written them in that last of whom by Hebraic tradition was Malachi, and so the canon was “closed” after him about 400 BC.

    The Fathers did make various opinions on such things as “the sons of God” being either fallen angels (the modern “aliens”), or else they were the human offspring of Seth while the daughters of men were those of Cain. One of the things I remember being mentioned is that just before Noah’s flood, creation and creatures had become so deranged, and the people so bestial, sorcerous and indiscriminate, that cattle were giving birth to zebras or something similar.

    The modern “scholarly” slander of atheistic and Judaized religious academia, that “the books were assembled by Constantine” is quite erroneous for numerous reasons, not the least of which is a near completely ignorance of Orthodox Church history of the East and West and living Sacred Tradition, or ancient history and true political realities in general concerning the Roman Empire, as well as the transmission process of Scripture.

    The Orthodox Church has continuous and unbroken existence from her very earliest foundations in Jerusalem, Palestine, Syria, Greece, Egypt, Ethiopia, and North Africa, and somewhat later westward into Rome, Europe and the British Isles (which did have Greek maritime trade colonies as early as the 5th c. BC, and strong tradition of Church planting in either 36 AD or 56 AD) within the Apostolic era.

    After the Dark Ages in the West, during the late Medieval and Renaissance eras Church literary materials from the East (mostly in Greek) made their way west into monasteries and theological academies after the setting up of the Latin Crusader kingdoms, then the sack of Constantinople in the fourth crusade, with a last surge of Church literature, patristics, and theological texts carried by the Greek Romans fleeing west when the Ottomans captured Constantinople.

    Until about the 6-7th century AD, Greek was the lingua franca of the empire and the liturgical language for most of the Church, and not Latin which for the most part was confined to Italia, Africa and Rome as an off-shoot of Greek and used administratively and for law, which later came to be the official standardized liturgical language only under Charlemagne in the 9th century for the Western Church. The Latin Vulgate was translated in the 5th century by St. Jerome to attempt to correct earlier corrupt or inferior Latin translations.

    The Early Church used the Old Testament according to the canon of the Septuagint (LXX), which was the Temple canon which had public copies in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. The LXX which was translated into Greek by Hebrew scholars under the supervision of the High Priest in the 3rd century BC for the royal archives of Alexandria as well as Greek-speaking Judeans in their own synagogues, is what Jesus and the Apostles all quote from in the NT. (Yes, living in Galilee, although He spoke Aramaic and certainly Hebrew, also meant He probably spoke koine Greek as Galilee was was a major agricultural, crafts guilds, and trade route area and there were Greek-speaking Gentile populations.)

    The Greek Septuagint, which is the authoritative text for the Eastern Orthodox Church today, throughout the Roman Empire was the usual version of the Greek-speaking Judeans in the synagogues, and was canonized by the priesthood about the 4th c. BC, the custodians of Scripture as decreed in the Law of Moses. Numerous of the Levitical priesthood came into the Church under the Apostles, plus convert synagogues had their own high quality copies of Scripture as well, like the Bereans in Acts.

    The priestly Hebrew original was lost with the destruction of Jerusalem, however the closest texts are the Samaritan Hebrew texts, and there were numerous Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew texts throughout the synagogues of the world, as well as personal copies during the age of the Apostles. The Pharisee Rabbis began the work of editing, changing the order of books, and recanonizing their Hebrew texts into the Jewish or Rabbinic canon starting with the council of Jamnia in 90 AD under the Rabbinic Patriarchate established by Rome, some of it polemical and oriented towards “proving” that Christianity was a false religion.

    Later, the Masoretes were a special group of Jewish scribes who were entrusted with making copies of the Jewish canon of their versions of the Hebrew Bible, including pronunciation marks, from about A.D. 500 to 900.

    In the West, this Masoretic Text is considered authoritative, but not so in the East.

    The Apostles did not otherwise leave a defined set of new scriptures; instead the New Testament developed over a fairly short period of time with the earliest texts datable that of St. Paul’s Epistles, and Apocalypse completed by 95 AD, if not earlier. A tiny Greek fragment of either Matthew or Mark was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Since the sacred books of the New Testament were written in various years of the apostolic era and were sent by the Apostles to various points of Europe, Africa and Asia, and also recirculated, and certain of them did not have a definite designation to any specific place, the gathering of them into a single codex could not be an easy matter; and it was necessary to keep a strict watch.

    The Fathers and teachers of the Church during the first centuries of Christianity preserved a special caution in distinguishing these books, even though they might bear the name of Apostles, and were especially watchful for any of the so-called “apocryphal” books, which for the most part were composed in heretical circles, and so they preserved a special caution in distinguishing these books.

    However the earliest apostolic instructions included twice a year meetings of the local and regional bishops and elders in an area. Passed down from Apostles to their direct disciples who became bishops (Apostolic Fathers), and then the Early Church Fathers, the Church before Constantine’s era already had an integrated collegial system among the bishops in place for maintaining the overall integrity of Sacred Scripture.

    A four gospel canon - the Tetramorph - was asserted in a consulting epistle by Irenaeus, c. 160 in the earliest extant literature addressing heretical, spurious or pious but uninspired texts that were creeping into the local churches (home or synagogue churches), of which there were hundreds throughout the empire, from cults of the Ebionites, Ebionite-Gnostics, Gnostics, Judeo-Gnostics, and Judaizers, as well as forgeries written by the Rabbinic Jews themselves in an effort to discredit especially the Christians of the circumcision.

    Throughout the various periods of persecution under the Jews and/or Romans (and other persecutions in Parthia), it was always the Scriptures and other Church literature and documents that were sought for and burnt. The ancients were big list-keepers, what had been used, various letters, ecclesiastical writings, and other literature and the bishops communicated in writing to each other’s churches.

    By the early 200’s, Origen of Alexandria was using the same 27 books found in modern New Testament editions, though there were still disputes over the canonicity of Hebrews, James, II Peter, II and III John, which were more common throughout the Aramaic (“Hebrew” as opposed to “Greek”-speaking) east, and the book of Revelation.

    Likewise by 200 the Muratorian fragment shows that there existed a set of Christian writings similar to what is now the New Testament, which included four gospels and argued against objections to them. Thus, while there was a good measure of debate in the Early Church over the New Testament canon, the major writings were accepted by almost all Christians by the middle of the third century.

    The individual Fathers of the Church frequently entered certain books into their lists with reservations, with uncertainty or doubt, or else gave for this reason an incomplete list of the Sacred Books, and is a memorial to their exceptional caution in this holy matter. They did not trust themselves, but waited for the universal voice of the Church.

    The local Synod of Carthage in 318, in its 33rd Canon, enumerated all of the books of the New Testament without exception.

    Emperor Constantine did not reign until the early 4th century, and he is a holy saint along with his mother, Empress Helena who was a Christian when she was married to Constantius, Constantine’s father. He decreed the Edict of Toleration in 312 first implemented in his Prefectures of the West.

    Later he invoked the First Ecumenical Synod of 300+ bishops at Nicea was held in 325 CE after he became the sole emperor upon his defeat of Licinus in 324. The first Synod was called because of the Arian heresy, which denied the Divinity of Christ, which had erupted into a great controversy which greatly disturbed the Church and threatened to break out into civil war.

    Essentially, Constantine, who had declared Christianity as the official religion, as the head of state responsible for preserving the civil peace between two quarreling factions called the Synod of Church Fathers to lay down the framework of what dogmatically defined the true Faith and what was heresy.

    Many of those bishops from all parts of the empire from Britain to the Persian frontier, along with non-voting public attendance of priests (presbyters), deacons, and laity were survivors of Emperor Diocletian’s Great Persecution of 299-324. Many bore the marks of torture and imprisonment as living martyrs.

    The Prefectures of Illyricum (Macedonia, Greece & Dacia) and of the East (Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Pontus, Asia Minor, Thrace) sustained the worst in total persecutions with widespread imprisonment and loss of life throughout the duration, as well as the burning of churches and Scripture.

    The Prefecture of Italy (Africa [Carthage], Rome and Italy) suffered short but intense total persecution under Maximian from 303-306. In the Prefecture of Gaul (Spain, Gaul and Britain) Emperor Constantius (Constantine’s father) in carrying out Diocletian’s edict burned churches and Scripture, but allowed no executions.

    The actual numbers of martyrs of the Diocletian imperial edict of extinction, and the early Church suffered several waves of persecutions prior to this under the Caesars. The volumes of the known Lives of the Saints and Martyrs are but a proportion of what the early Church chronicles recorded, and were subsequently destroyed as well.

    A tradition records that 660 Christians were publicly martyred in Alexandria alone, many of whom belonged to the Roman military and equestrian ranks, and noble and royal castes of the various lands as recorded in the Lives of the saints and martyrs and patristic texts.

    It is truly absurd “history” to believe modern “experts” (many are Jews and atheists, as well as some “Christian” denominations and sects that are recycling old heresies) that Emperor Constantine could bully the concillar attendees at the first Ecumenical Synod at Nicea to “assemble the Bible” at his own whim, when he was facing all of those bishops and clergy that had just come through a mad emperor’s decree of extermination as living martyrs to Christ, who had seen their flocks decimated in the most brutal ways imaginable defending the Faith, Scripture and Tradition along with their brother bishops and clergy.

    Almost 25 years of horror, some of the Fathers of the first Synod bearing the scars and mutilations of what previous pagan Roman Caesars were capable of doing, and yet somehow now these same living martyrs and saints were going to turn into butter and let Constantine arbitrarily at whim “rewrite Christianity” at the first empire-wide council of the Church bishops?

    Not to mention the fact that there were many Christian cohorts (practicing as crypto-Christians probably under the cover of the Mithras cult) in the Roman Army who survived purges of the holy Military Martyrs of the Church, along with members of the aristocracy who were lay theologians and scholars and who lost members of their families, along with the common people?

    None of this was done in some corner, nor is any of it mere superstition of just some illiterate peasants.

    In his Easter letter of 367, Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books as what would become the New Testament canon, and he used the phrase “being canonized” (kanonizomena) in regards to them.

    My friend, the West has suffered considerable innovations, fracturing and disconnects from ancient historical Church continuity and the liturgical and patristic Tradition within “Christendom” over the past millenium, as well as going through the Dark Ages which the ancient historical Church never did, having a much different course of history throughout the East.

    And a truly great problem is that in the West in Muslim controlled areas of Europe, the Papal States and the Latin Frankish kingdoms, and later the Renaissance era, unrepentent Jews were allowed positions as court Jews, translators and scholars, and then there was the great problem of crypto-Jews in Spain and Portugal, which formed the well-off merchant/middle class in society and were baptized to avoid expulsion and who found their way into the monasteries and churches. A great deal of Rabbinic Judaism, Talmudism and Kabbalah found its way into Western Christian traditions, even forming Christian Kabbalah.

  102. Bulletinman December 4, 2009 @ 12:36 am

    It’s the lawyers people. The “so called Jews” the “Zionist” control the courts and the BAR.

    Real change will have to come through on overthrow of the court system.

  103. serpentseed December 4, 2009 @ 1:00 am

    Lynda, thank you for that.

    I appreciate your studied comment. Are the Gibborim, Nephilim, Elohim classified as angels or..dare I say it, aliens?

    I am still rather new to this despite being brought up in a Christian home and going to Bible study when I was young. I had questions from Genesis that were never answered satifactorily in my mind, so I seperated myself from religion of all makes.

    I still can’t get past the plural thing, or the all-powerful God playing a game of deadly chess with Pharaoh. Were all of Pharoah’s people soulless creatures deserving of death?

    And why didn’t God just kill the Devil and end evil forever and ever? Why, if Jesus died for our sins do we still suffer evil? I have lost family members to evil and the love and happiness I shared with them can never be duplicated.

    I could go on and on, and yes, I have asked God/Jesus for spiritual guidance. He must have been busy becuase I detected no change in my circumstances until I became so distraught that I finally just pulled myself out of the morass and moved on with a gaping wound in my heart.

    It’s a big Universe and our (human) reality is confined to that tiny slice of the electromagnetic scale known as the “visible light spectrum”. We think of intelligent life as oxygen breathing warm blooded physical beings like ourselves, or divine mysterious spirit energy beings. Is there nothing else?

    Anyway, I am nothing if I can’t admit when I am wrong. And as soon as you explain the plural god thing I will do just that. I am forever “still learning”. Have you ever read the “Terra Papers” written by Robert Morningsky? He is a native American Indian Hopi/Apache who was given information from his Grandfather concerning the different alien species who have visited Earth and rearranged things.

    I have watched his recorded presentation and downloaded the text version of his papers. I must say his explanation makes more sense than others. Especially when you consider Sumerian writings.

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=terra%20papers&rlz=1I7DKUS_en&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#q=terra+papers&rlz=1I7DKUS_en&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv&qvid=terra+papers&vid=60050913123534115

  104. Ed Ward, MD December 4, 2009 @ 1:05 am

    Alicks Jones hides MASSIVE Tritium Levels = ‘Traces’.

    The ‘Traces Of Tritium’ WTC 9-11 Lie
    Is Obstruction Of Justice By Accessories To Murder
    It’s not ‘rocket science’, just basic math, law and lies.

    WHEN 20 = NORMAL: HOW DOES 1,092 = ‘TRACES’
    http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm

    WMDs in the WTCs
    http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm

    Update: WMDs in the WTCs
    http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm

  105. Frustrated Christian December 4, 2009 @ 1:41 am

    Gregg,

    RE: Again, you people are focusing on the wrong target.

    Bring down the Bankers = bring down the Jews, and any other person trying to dominate the world through money.

    Alex has the Bankers firmly in his sights.”

    —————————————

    Hey, I’m on your side, but look at what you just wrote. If they are indeed one and the same and Alex has them firmly in his sights why doesn’t he (ever) refer to these bankers as Jews or about the Jews.

    I ask you to scroll up to Z.O.G.’s list under “Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack H. Obama” Jones mentions everyone but the Jews. That list proves the point alone; the Jews get a free ride with Alex Jones.

    Until recently I was a big fan of Alex Jones - until Mark Glenn straightened me out (Thanks Mark!) Alex is a lot like Glenn Beck. He has quite a bit of truth but never gets too close to ground zero - da Joos.

    In my mind you take the money makers/lenders (the boys in the beanies that make copper wires fighting over pennies) and add to their hostility to Christianity, you have identified the antichrist. His name is Esau. Jacob I love, Esau I hated, saith the Lord.

  106. Lextjaefvel December 4, 2009 @ 2:44 am

    Ugly Zionist Jews everywhere! Where do these egoistic bastards all come from? I’ll guess *Not* from a tiny little desert area in the Middle East.

    And… they say they were almost exterminated for a couple of years ago… Hmmm… that’s very… interesting…

    And doesn’t Mr. Jones look a little bit like that dreadful coma-khazar Fat Ariel?

  107. Ed Ward, MD December 4, 2009 @ 3:21 am

    ”Alicks’ Jones’: FEAZ B!!ch! Wakey Wakey…

    F!!! ‘Em - All Zionists (FEAZ).

    Regarding ‘Alicks’ Jones’, Zionism and Billions, if not Trillions of Dollars for Covert Op CIA Propaganda/Actions. No stone has been left unturned.

    http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=465#comment-49323
    WHY IS THE ADL PROMOTING ALEX JONES?

    Regarding ZOG and only a few of more than 50 damning ”Alicks’ Jones’ quotes: (See Comments above link)

    “Hollywood is owned by the Arabs.”

    “I mean so, the point is, they just own everything. I mean, they control the whole deal.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about Arabs

    “And the Arabs are the biggest owners now of media in the United States, okay, and over stock exchanges. And in many major U.S. cities they’re the majority owners.”

    “And everybody’s running around talking about ‘Zionists’ all day. Okay, just keep parroting that over and over again.”
    - Alex Jones, mocking and laughing at people who say that Zionists are the dominant elite

    “I do a real analysis of who actually owns things - it’s the British…the Dutch…then it’s the Arabs…then it’s the French…then it’s the Jews…and then, on down the line.”

    “And I don’t even blame Israel for this.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the U.S.S. Liberty attack

    “But that doesn’t mean Israel carried out the attack.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Now…uh…I…have not…you know…jumped on the bandwagon to say that Israel carried out 9/11.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Now lets be clear. Neither I, Avery, or Fetzer…uh…think it’s an Israeli attack. In fact, they’ve had national polls of people who believe it’s an inside job…[only] seven percent believe Israel was involved.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Folks, I’ve done the research! Israel could not carry out these attacks. And…and…I…uh again, I’m just saying that on the record. I’m trying to go after who’s guilty. I’ll say who I believe did it, and th…all the evidence shows it. And it’s…it’s…it’s Dick Cheney ‘n it’s people above him.”
    - Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks

    “Every time we look, they’re killing Jews.”- Alex Jones
    “Why? Why are they always wanting to kill Jews?”- Alex Jones 

    Regarding Ed Ward, MD -

    Proven lying/hiding/subverting MASSIVE Tritium under the patriotry/truth/honesty/godly, blasphemy of The Constitution, God, Mankind and Natural Law.

    The ‘Traces Of Tritium’ WTC 9-11 Lie Is Obstruction Of Justice By Accessories To Murder
    It’s not ‘rocket science’, just basic math, law and lies.

    WHEN 20 = NORMAL: HOW DOES 1,092 = ‘TRACES’ - (Alicks Jones and many others)
    http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm

    Zionist fascists run this government - wars on lies, treason, murder, crimes against humanity - ALL OUR ‘REPRESENTATIVE’ SCUM AND THEIR ACCESSORIES IN MEDIA NEED TO BE ON TRIAL FOR AT LEAST TREASON.

    F!!! ‘Em - All Zionists (FEAZ).

    Related articles:Zionism = The Worst Plague in the History of Mankind:
    http://www.rense.com/general88/zzz.htm

    Proofs of a Conspiracy against all Nations/Religions - Published in 1793 as the Zionist cults were forming here in US.
    http://www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm

    Phenomenon Archives: The Monopoly Men http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3388799387341337020

    Take a look at ‘Operation Northwoods’. The Basic Start a War by murder and treason - CIA Basic Operation Plan - 911/Cuba
    http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/10/15/ward.htm

    The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis, by Bill Moyers
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430#

    JMO based on the facts.

    Dr Ed

  108. katman December 4, 2009 @ 7:06 am

    First off, Origen was a gnostic so anything he said or believed can be taken with a grain of salt. Point number 2 is this. There was no organized church in the first century. It was just a lose collection autonomous groups, like it should be.

    Anytime someone attempts to organize into one big group various peoples who are attemtping to understand Scripture and what Christ really meant when He spoke about things, then you are asking for trouble, at least on this earth.

    Paul, besides having to undertake numerous new missionary journeys had to continually take time away from his very busy schedule to try and straighten out theological error that had already manifested itself in many of the churches during his time. So one can realize very easily when he died, that theological error continued even to this day. let us not forget.

    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

    And so it has been.

    This is why men and women came to this country. To get away from the chains of religious dogma that had plagued Europe and England for so long. They came here to practice their faiths in the way that they chose to do so.

    zog, where is roscoe? tell him to get his sorry bee hind over here and straighten me out…:)

  109. RSTUART December 4, 2009 @ 7:29 am

    Thanks Bro. Nat., Mighty Fine, Mighty Fine.

    Apriory - it’s “tradition of the elders” vs “Word of God” (Moses/Jesus/Mark7)

    “Tradition of the elders” are the moneychangers that Jesus threw out of the Temple (and was on the cross the next day.)

    “Tradition of the elders” say there are two systems of thought…”brothers” and “others”. Usary only for others. Brothers are far superior in blood and soul to others.

    Alex’s got some essspplanning to do…..

  110. Mike December 4, 2009 @ 8:44 am

    Frustrated Christian- You are not alone. Check out subvertednation.net and realoathkeepers.org

    Christians have been duped that Jesus was “a Jew”, and that “Israelis”-Jews…..are the chosen ones. They are not, they are the synagogue of satan revelation 3:9…..

    Its a very hard pill to swallow, but trust me Ive been where you are.

    If Christians would only read their own Bible, especially John, they would see who their enemy is.

    Jews pretend to be Christians friends, while all the time undermining Christian values and beliefs. Who is getting God and Jesus out of schools and American life? Its NOT the Muslims! Muslims view Jesus as a prophet.

    Wake up! Even Brother Nathanael will tell you I’m right.

    Join the greatest battle their ever was……it’s in your head.

  111. Cynthia December 4, 2009 @ 9:10 am

    THE BIBLE IS VERY COMPLETE!!!!! Your name “sepentine” gives you away! Your serpent devotion adds to the proof of the Bible being complete!

    No way in the world will God above create the heavens and the earth to a complete standpoint and even send his Son to redeem the world through Calvary but will have people lost on the road to the way of life!

    God is NOT the author of confusion the devil is!!!! If that Holy Book was so incomplete, it would not be an enemy of the world! No other religion is bashed by the secular world but the Bible and Christianity!

  112. Fr. Joseph December 4, 2009 @ 10:38 am

    Dear Frustrated Christian,

    You hit the nail on the head!

    “Bring down the Bankers = Bring down the Jews and any other person trying TO DOMINATE this world through MONEY.”

    “The supranational sovereignty of an INTELLECTUAL ELITE and World BANKERS is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” - quoting from
    http://www.rense.com/general17/qoute.htm

    “Rosenthal says: ‘Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is SATAN…and we are his chosen people. LUCIFER is very much alive.” - quoting from
    http://www.rense.com/general66/prot2.htm

    “Next, taking Him to a very high mountain, the DEVIL showed Him ALL THE (sovereign autodetermining) KINGDOMS of the World and their splendour. ‘I (SATAN) will give You all these’ he said, ‘if You fall down at my feet and worship me.’ Then JESUS replied, ‘Be off, SATAN! For Scripture says: ‘You must worship the LORD your GOD and serve Him alone.” - quoting from the Gospel according to St. Matthew, Matthew 4:8-10

    Regarding the “Intellectual Elite” and ‘World Bankers”, consider the lyrical words ‘One is a GENUIS, the other’s INSANE’
    from this very brief on-line video play:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TU8o6TvNk

    “When asked who the men were, Doctor Dodd refused to name them. But when pressed to say ultimately who ruled this higher order, she replied simply ‘SATAN’.

    “In the course of this history-making interview, Rakovsky made it clear that the key to the power of this higher order was MONEY. Rakovsky said, ‘MONEY IS POWER, THE ONLY POWER.” - quoting from the subsection entitled ‘RAKOVSKY’ here:
    http://www.fatima.org/books/divimp/dipt2chap2.asp

    “The Pen That Rules The World”

    http://michaeljournal.org/penrules.htm

    “A History Of The New World Order” Pt. 1&2
    http://michaeljournal.org/nwo1.htm
    http://michaeljournal.org/nwo2.htm

    “Hope Of THE WICKED” - Parts 1 and 2
    http://michaeljournal.org/wicked1.htm
    http://michaeljournal.org/wicked2.htm

    “At Fatima, Our Lady declared ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!’ - quoting from
    http://www.fatima.org/essentials/whatucando.crisis.asp

    “Heaven’s Key To Peace” Part 1 of 7
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awznwJidvPc

    E-mail the BISHOP OF ROME telling hin to get on with ORDERING the Bishops of the Catholic Church to perform the GLOBAL and WORLDWIDE public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immacualtely Loving Heart of God’s Own MOTHER, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Woman of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17

    benedictxvi@vatican.va

    The ‘Public and Solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother’ is meant to be a GLOBAL and WORLDWIDE “Supernatural Replay/Repeat” of the Divine Account given in

    1 KINGS 18:20-40!!!

    - Fr. Joseph

  113. Fr. Joseph December 4, 2009 @ 11:35 am

    “Remember, O MOST GRACIOUS VIRGIN MARY, that !!!NEVER!!! was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine INTERCESSION was left unaided.

    “Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, MY MOTHER (ref. John 19:25-27 and Ecclesiasticus 3:1-4); to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me. Amen.” - from

    “The Memorare” @
    http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/prayers/Memorare.htm

    And just about the time when one is so terribly SUNK-IN-SPIRIT, when it seems that ‘Patton’s 10th Armored’ is NEVER going to get to you in your hole-in-the-ground at ‘Bastogne’ - the Lord Most High grants you ‘A MIRACLE!’ - the “rumblings” of TANKS COLUMNS in the far distance…

    “Miracle Of Eight Avenue”
    http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/gn/perspective590.asp

    I am simply FLABBERGASSED something like this national report on ‘FREEMASONRY’ vs. our CATHOLIC CHURCH is made PUBLIC for every last living soul here in the United States of America!

    - Fr. Joseph

  114. Fr. Joseph December 4, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

    Mindful that Br. Nathanael gets so many monthly visits from people from all over the World reading his articles, this reports, his research as well as these commentary sections, I have to bear in mind that the vast majority of RZN readers are NOT particularly ‘religious’, are NOT particularly ‘Catholic’ or ‘Orthodox’, are NOT particularly ‘christian’ to any degree whatsoever.

    Bearing that in mind with my particularly Catholic Christian understanding and point-of-view that SATAN wants to get as many of YOU souls eternally damned with him and his fellow elemental and human demonics running loose all over our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini, the very least I can do from this side of my PC’s keyboard is an attempt to get ALL OF YOU some vitally necessary SPIRITUAL ‘Body Armor’ in this global, geopolitical, georeligious, geoeconomic CLASH we are currently having with Satan and all of his hellish demonics - be they human or elemental.

    For ALL of you RZN readers, here is an article on the Catholic Church’s Sacramental commonly known as ‘The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel’ as it is known within and throughout my Catholic Church:

    “The Brown Scapular - A Sign of Salvation and Protection” @
    http://www.fatima.org/apostolate/vlarchive/vl110_0809.asp

    Once again, the 870,000+ monthly readers of Br. Nathanael’s contributions towards SAVING our entire Human Race from temporal and spiritual SLAVERY to Satan and his seen human and unseen elemental DEMONICS currently ruining EVERYONE’S lives throughout our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini - ALL of Br. Nathanael’s RZN readers come from every imaginable sort of background, rearing, education, religious upbringing, nationality, etc. - and it would seem that all of us DO NOT have any ONE PARTICULAR ‘THING-IN-COMMON’.

    But such is NOT the case!

    EACH ONE OF US, whether we are male or female, young or old, rich or poor, literate or uneducated - every last one of us HUMAN BEINGS has a MOTHER!

    IF we didn’t have a MOTHER, none of us would be here ‘alive & kickin” in this year 2009 A.D..

    And IF we didn’t have a MOTHER, we wouldn’t be ALL MEMBERS of the One and the Same HUMAN RACE wherein all of us are created in the Image and Likeness of OUR Father and God and Creator in Heaven.

    So let me tell all of you - once again - of a real, true and honest-to-goodness religious and spiritual ‘War Story’ of mine…

    Way back when I made my religious profession into the Lay Order of Carmelites, I found myself as one of the Church Militant’s ‘Cadets’ embroiled in and engaged in a heated spiritual “artillery” dispute and exchange with a self proclaimed Satanist via the computer on-line service known as ‘Prodigy’ back in the days prior to the Internet.

    During that time on-line, made the acquaintence of a religious woman, a Catholic Christian, who told me about her friend’s daughter had luekemia and was dying in the hospital. I don’t know if her friend was Catholic or not - it didn’t matter.

    I asked this woman to get me her friend’s mailing address. She did.

    I mailed her friend my very own Ceremonial BROWN SCAPULAR of our Catholic religious Order of Carmelites with a letter asking this other woman to give her dying daughter in the hospital my Ceremonial Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel to wear while lying in bed - a kinda/sorta constant spiritual ‘Bear Hug’ given to her dying daughter by BOTH the Blessed Virgin Mary and her Divine Son Jesus, THE CHRIST.

    About a month goes by and I remake on-line contact with the Catholic woman who told me about her friend and her dying daughter.

    I ask her how both the mother and daughter were doing.

    She informed me that her friend’s daughter had DIED in the hospital on account of her advanced luekemia. BUT…she relayed to me this account from her friend.

    The hospital called her and advised her to hurrily come down to the hospital - her daughter was quickly losing her grasp on life.

    The mother, her husband and some close relatives rushed down to the hospital to be a her daughter’s bedside while dying. The daugther was going in and out of consciousness and was progressively losing her physical strenght as the hours passed.

    Suddenly, the mother reported to my Catholic woman friend that her daughter suddenly and abruptly SAT UP in her hospital bed. Her daughter then lifted her arms up and hands reaching up towards the ceiling of her room as would any normal and entirely healthy young girl her age could do and while with eyes wide open looking upward spoke out in a robust voice

    ‘Mom! Mom! Mom! Mom!’

    And then, the daughter collapsed back into her hospital bed - with all ‘vital life signs’ having ceased at the moment of her death.

    The daughter had died on a SATURDAY morning. The ‘Sabbatine Privilege and Promise’ associated with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel was made manifest to and for this dying young girl.

    Now ALL OF YOU readers of Br. Nathanael’s RZN website really and truly DO have a Spiritual Mother - the Blessed Virgin Mary - the Mother of God.

    Your MOTHER wants for ALL OF YOU to be HOME with her and her Son and their Father in Heaven.

    Go get yourselves a Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel and ask ANY Catholic Priest to bless it for you and to ‘enroll’ you in its religious-spiritual benefits.

    I don’t know ‘The Future’. Maybe SATAN gets all of us embroiled in his planned thermonuclear Third World War. Maybe SATAN gets all of us ’sick to death’ with some man-made and man-released airborne biological pathogens. I simply DO NOT KNOW ‘the Future’ and what, if anything, our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ is doing from the His Divine-Supernatural P.O.V. to counteract-defeat-destroy all that SATAN desires done to our Human Race.

    But AT LEAST get yourselves some religious-spiritual BODY ARMOR to protect yourselves and your loved ones, friends, relatives, etc.

    There is ‘NO GUARANTEE’ any of us are going to escape these temporal and spiritual onslaughts and assaults by SATAN and his seen human and unseen elemental demonic legions out to wipe ALL OF US from OFF the surface of this planet earth given to us as a Divine Gift of Creation from our All-good God and Father in Heaven.

    - Fr. Joseph

  115. serpentseed December 4, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

    Cyn,

    Thank you for proving my point. If I have a question about certain passages I am a devil by default.

    Glad you like my ID, I borrowed it from one of God’s brothers/sisters. That’s right, I’m one of THOSE he is referring to when he says in Genesis 1:26, and I quote: “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

    So it’s absurd for me to read this passage as meaning there is more than one God? Or is it just a lack of faith that makes the words US and OUR appear to be plural to me?

    Your worshipful master, SSSerpentssseed.

  116. Who are these people? December 4, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

    Is Eric Hufschmid for real?

    Wikipedia has NOTHING on him.

    What about the moon landing as a US government fraud, like he says!!!???

  117. katman December 4, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

    Good friar, you seem like a nice man but I must tell you, the mother of Jesus was a sinner like anyone else, albeit, I am sure she had to be a very nice person or God would not have chosen her for such a task her on earth.

    But she like Jesus’s half brothers, and half sister had to come to the realization that no man may come unto the Father except through Jesus Christ, her Son and their half brother.

    The condemnation of the human race, because of the disobedience of Adam was upon all men and women here on earth before Christ came. This condemnation was on Mary as well. She had to come to the foot of the cross. She had to confess her sins and God through Jesus Christ, forgave her of her sin through the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

    I am sorry to tell you this but this worship of the mother of Jesus is satanic at its core and has no place in the Christian faith. It comes from ancient pagan customs that were of course everywhere during the days of the apostles and beyond.

    Luther a Catholic priest and monk, read the Word, and being a young man, was puzzled why the Catholic Church of his day did not comport to the teachings contained therein so he started asking questions.

    I am thankful that he did. Soon the Word of God was translated into English etc, so that the common man could read it and understand it and cherish the words it contained. For too long the Catholic church hid the meanings of the Bible in the Latin language which was the language of the learned class of early Europe.

    They did this on purpose. For you see, when the common man read that he himself could approach the throne of God with prayers and suplications, and he did not need a priest as a intercessor, then this totally wiped out the game that had been played on the poor White farmers of Europe for so long.

    When Luther opened up the Word of God to the masses, then they understood that grace is free to whoever may ask it, that any man can approach the Father and ask for forgiveness and receive it in the name of His Son Jesus Christ.

    So let it be said for right here and right now, we will never go back to one church, one baptism, or one universal church whatever all of that means….

    This land is my land from sea to shining sea. With the rebellion of Luther came the proclamation to all men. Grace is free and the liberty belongs to those who have been captive to false religious teachings for far too long. Amen and amen…..

    Zog, break it on down for them brother…:)

  118. Fr. Joseph December 4, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

    Dear serpentseed,

    Is THAT what all of your ‘problem’ with Divinely Revealed Religion? The PLURAL reference to God? As in “Let US make man in OUR own Image…” And after ALL OF THESE YEARS?

    And because there was NO ONE to give you some solid, down-to-earth, respecting human ‘common sense’ INSTRUCTION in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith of GOD INCARNATE’S Apostles, 2,000 years later here you are mistakeningly denouncing the Christian Faith!

    Had MOHAMMED done the same! Had only he went to the Patriarch of Jerusalem to ask to be given PROPER religious instruction RATHER THAN getting his understanding of the Christian Faith and of the Lord’s Apostolic Church from the ‘EBIONITES’. All we can do is but LAMENT ’spilt milk’ as being one big WASTE and one big MESS!

    F.Y.I., there “second” biblical reference to God in the PLURAL sense is found in Genesis 18:1-3:

    “Yahweh APPEARED to him (Abraham) at the Oak of Mamre while he was sitting by the entrance of the tent during the hottest part of the day. He (Abraham) looked up, and there he (Abraham) saw THREE MEN standing near him. As soon as he saw THEM he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet THEM, and bowed to the ground. ‘My Lord (SINGULAR address to THREE MEN)’, he said ‘I beg you, if I find with with You, kindly do not pass your servant by…et al”

    JESUS says the following of Himself in the Gospel according to St. John:

    “The JEWS then said, ‘You are not fifty yet, and YOU have seen Abraham!’ JESUS replied, ‘I tell you MOST SOLEMNLY, before Abraham ever was - I AM.” - John 8:57-58

    Now the ‘I AM’ spoken by JESUS is the identically same ‘I AM’ Divinely Revealed to MOSES in the Book of Exodus:

    “Then Moses said to GOD, ‘I am to go, then, to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The GOD of your fathers has sent me to you.” But if they ask me what His Name is, what amd I to tell them?’ And GOD said to Moses,’ I AM WHO I AM. This’ GOD added ‘is what you must say to the sons of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.” - Exodus 3:13-14

    Serpentseed, YOUR ‘problem’ with Divinely Revelation and Divnely Revealed RELIGION is that you simply need SOMEBODY to proper EXPLAIN it to you! You simply need a CATECHISM TEACHER who can properly teach you CHRISTIAN CATECHISM!

    Cough up about $9.00 and get yourself Francis Sheed’s book entitled “THEOLOGY FOR BEGINNERS” - kinda like ‘Take Two Asprin and then Call Us In the Morning’ (grin).

    - Fr. Joseph

  119. Fr. Joseph December 4, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

    Now regarding all of the JEWS throughout the entire World and ESPECIALLY all of those who live in the political Zionist State of Israel.

    With all of the UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS in Psychiatry, Pyscho-Analysis, etc. throughout the ENTIRE WORLD, with all of their respective GRADUATES with Doctorate Degrees in those disciplines of study, can the entire World’s population of Psychoanalysts, Psychiatrists, Doctors and Professors and Practitioners of PSYCHOLOGY possibly EXPLAIN to the rest of the Human Race the beliefs, practices and behaviors of those under the Rabbinical-Talmudic control and influence of what the contemporary World calls ‘Judaism’?

    Specifically ‘What is their individual and collective PROBLEM with God Incarnate’s Own Personal Divine Revelation to ALL of Mankind?”

    From the CHRISTIAN Church’s own Sacred Scriptures, we ALL can read Matthew 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-20, John 6:52-71, 1 Corinthians 11:23-32 and Hebrews 13:9-10 right here, right NOW, on Br. Nathanael’s RZN website:

    Matthew 26:26-29
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2026:26-29&version=NIV

    Mark 14:22-25
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%2014:22-25&version=NIV

    Luke 22:19-20
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2022:19-20&version=NIV

    John 6:52-71
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%206:52-71&version=NIV

    1 Corinthians 11:23-32
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2011:23-32&version=NIV

    Hebrews 13:9-10
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews%2013:9-10&version=NIV

    Now what are the 100% SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS regarding the ‘Body of JESUS Christ’ and the ‘Blood of JESUS Christ’ which are avaiable to every last person alive in our whole-wide World of 2009 Anno Domini in the PUBLIC DOMAIN here:

    http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

    So what do ALL of the World’s Psychiatrists, Psycho-analysts, Psychologists have to say about these people who call themselves ‘Jews’ living in ISRAEL who have GOD HIMSELF performing a Divine Miracle WITHOUT FAIL year after year after year in their own Zionist State of ISRAEL’S City of JERUSALEM - and they go on and on and on and on REJECTING both the Biblical as well as the 100% Scientific Evidence of these DIVINE MIRACLES right in front of their own noses, before their own two eyes, right there WITHIN their own political Zionist State of ISRAEL?

    The “Question” to ALL OF YOU of the World’s Psychiatric, Psycho-analytical, Psychological Sciences…

    “ARE THESE PEOPLE ‘SANE’???”

    What on earth is their PROBLEM in believing in what Jesus Christ had to reveal in His Own DIVINE REVELATION to all of Mankind???

    We here on Br. Nathanael’s RZN website are ALL awaiting your individual and/or collective ‘Diagnosis’ and ‘Professional Opinions For Huge Fees’.

    - Fr. Joseph

  120. Fr. Joseph December 4, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

    The RELENTLESS yearly Divine Miracle of HOLY FIRE right there in the political Zionist State of Israel’s OWN City of Jerusalem where, outside its city gates, CHRIST JESUS was Crucified 2,000 years ago and Who ROSE FROM THE DEAD in His Own RESURRECTION from His Tomb!

    “The Miracle of the HOLY FIRE”

    http://www.holyfire.org/eng/

    - Fr. Joseph

  121. Hufschmid is a 911 researcher December 4, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

    Hufschmid is the first person to come out with a 911 book and video. He is very sensible and lowkey.

    The moon landing has been debated for years. there are many Internet articles about it.

  122. KathJuliane December 4, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

    Greetings in the Lord, katman –

    First of all, there were many things that Martin Luther was quite correct about from the Orthodox Faith, and his original intention was to initiate form within the Western church, and to clear up the many innovations and heresies, and even abuses and corruptions that had crept in.

    He had studied the Eastern Fathers of the Church and Greek Scripture and came to the conclusion then that the Greek Orthodox Church was the true ancient historical Church and guardian of Faith, and that the West had deviated far from ancient Apostolic Tradition both before and especially after the 1054 Schism.

    There are many great differences between Eastern Orthdoxy and the Western confessions, especially Roman Catholicism, please do not confuse the two. The Orthodox Church as the “ancient historical Church” has never had a dog in the fight between Protestantism and Catholicism, nor do we recognize the Pope as the supreme head of “Christendom,” but only our Lord Jesus Christ within the concillar and collegial Eastern Church.

    At that time in Germany, because of the fall of Constantinople to the Turks, it was believed that the Greek Orthodox Church had gone extinct. Historically, Germany was at enmity with Russia, so the German Catholic Church did not approach Kiev or Moscow.

    About 50 years later, the Tubingen scholars learned that the Greek Orthodox Church still existed within the millet system of the Ottoman Turks who was opening up trade with the West, and there was a serious attempt of the German Church to come back into communion with the Patriarch of Constantinople and the rest of the Eastern Church.

    You are quite correct about the “worship” of Mary. There is a distinct difference between “worship,” which is due to God alone, and “veneration” of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and other saints and martyrs.

    And no, the proper understanding and veneration of Mary in Her place in the Church has nothing to do with paganism, and the early Church fought quite vigorously to keep her from being worshipped as a “goddess.”

    Moreover, Martin Luther would probably turn over in his grave at where modern “Protestantism” has come to in the way that the Blessed Virgin Mary is now despised and blasphemed (made common).

    However, in the early Protestant world, no one was more devoted to the Mother of God than Luther and some of the other earlier reformers after their studies of the Greek Fathers helped them form a better Christology concerning His Incarnation.

    The only exception to Luther’s orthodoxy concerning the Virgin, is that he also believed in the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (a debate that ran from about the 12th century until it was dogmatized in the 19th) as it relates the Western ideas of original sin, being quite different from that in the East, which was at that time as expounded by Augustine and built upon, however, which is an innovation not found in the Orthodox Church.

    In short, we believe that Mary was not the “great exception” to the fallen, sinful and human condition, but the “great example” to follow in terms of spiritual labors over one’s self in deep Faith.

    Under miraculous circumstances, the Virgin Mary was naturally conceived and born of the Righteous Joachim and Anna in their advanced old age long past child-bearing, and in their thankfulness to God she was consecrated to Him, and at the age of three she was taken to the Temple to live and be raised as a temple virgin.

    The dogma of the Immaculate Conception, proclaimed by a Bull of Pope Pius IX in 1854, claims that at the moment of her conception she was cleansed of ancestral sin. In essence this a direct deduction from the Roman teaching on original sin.

    According to the Roman teaching, the burden of the sin of our first ancestors consists in the removal from mankind of a supernatural gift of grace, and therefore the Virgin Mary had be removed from the general law of the “deprivation of grace” and of the guilt of the sin of Adam. And, according to Catholic thinking, since her life was consecrated and holy from her birth, she also consequently received, in the form of exception, a created supernatural gift, a grace of sanctity, even before her birth, that is, at her conception.

    The Latin theologians called this removal from the from general law of the “deprivation of grace” a “privilege” of the Mother of God.

    If the Mother of God was removed from the general law of original sin as the Latins understood it, this means that she was given from her conception supernatural gifts: righteousness and immortality, such as our first ancestors had before their fall into sin, and so therefore she also was not subject to the law of bodily death, but only did so voluntarily to emulate her Son. Orthodoxy does not believe this.

    For one thing, we see that God did not deprive mankind, even after its fall, of His grace-giving gifts, as for example, the words of the 50th Psalm indicate. “Take not Thy Holy Spirit from me… With thy governing Spirit establish me;” or the words of Psalm 70: “On Thee have I been made fast from the womb; from my mother’s womb Thou art my protector.”

    On the other hand, in accordance with the teaching of Sacred Scripture, in Adam all mankind tasted the forbidden fruit. Only the God-man Christ begins with Himself the new mankind freed by Him from the sin of Adam. Therefore, He is called the Firstborn among many brethren (Rom. 8:29), that is: the First in the new human race; He is the “new Adam.” The Most Holy Virgin was born as subject to the sin of Adam together with all mankind, and with him she shared the need for redemption (the Epistle of the Eastern Patriarchs to the Pope).

    The pure and immaculate life of the Virgin Mary up to the Annunciation by the Archangel, her freedom from personal sins, was the fruit of the union of her spiritual labor upn herself and the abundance of grace that was poured out upon her. “Thou hs found grace with God”, the Archangel said to her in his greeting: “thou has found,” that is attained, acquired, earned. The Most Holy Virgin Mary was prepared by the best part of mankind as a worthy vessel for the descent of God the Word to earth. The coming down of the Holy Spirit totally sanctified the womb of the Virgin Mary for the reception of God the Word.

    One must acknowledge that the very principle of a preliminary “privilege” is somehow not in harmony with Christian concepts, for “there is no respect of persons with God (Rom. 2:11).

    Tradition from very early teaches that the Blessed Virgin Mary truly reposed in the Lord, that every moment of her life was spent in cherishing and guarding the grace of the Holy Spirit and her purity of soul, that she reposed in the most quiet and peaceful manner in deep Faith (trust) in her Son as her Lord and Savior, and that Jesus Christ was there to personally receive her soul as the Apostles were gathered around her in miraculous fashion to her death bier.

    She was buried in Jerusalem by the Apostles and the church in the proper manner according to Hebrew customs, and the Jews attempted to defile her funeral and were punished by an angel.

    After the Apostle Thomas arrived on the third day after her repose, her grave had been opened for him to mourn his last respects before permanent sealing, and it was found that her body was not there. It had been revealed to the Apostles that her body had ascended to heaven, and so the Virgin Mary became the first of the fully resurrected ones in a glorified body, anticipating our own glorious day of resurrection on the Last Day and the restoration of all creation.

    In Hebrew tradition, after the third day was when the body began to undergo the corruption of death and the tomb permanently sealed (Lazarus was raised on the fourth day, and so his body would “stinketh”), and so it is fitting that Christ in His great love and mercy and special love of a son for a mother, and his regard for the Virgin’s Nazarite purity in all things, would assume her body before it began to taste the final corruption of death.

    As for the tradition concerning the assumption of the **body** of the Mother of God after her repose, the belief in the assumption of her body does exist in the Orthodox Church, and expressed in the content of the service for the feast of the Dormition (falling asleep) of the Virgin Mary, and also in several confessions throughout time.

    Written church testimonies on this subject date in general to a relatively late period (not earlier than the 6th century), and the Orthodox Church, with all of its respect for them, does not ascribe to them the significance of a dogmatic source.

    Orthdoxy, accepting the tradition of the ascension of the body of the Theotokos, has not regarded and does not regard this deeply pious tradition as one of the fundamental truths or dogmas of the Christian faith.

  123. KathJuliane December 4, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

    Along with the veneration of the Mother of God and the desire to clear away accretions and distortions to her place in the Church, Luther retained and vigorously defended the liturgical and sacramental traditions of the Church, such as baptism, confession, confirmation, the Holy Eucharist, etc with very special esteem and veneration.

    It was later German scholars that further gutted the liturgical traditions in the German Church.

    http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/martin_luther_on_mary.htm

    Martin Luther, Founder of the Reform, Speaks on Mary

    In his sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Assumption, he stated:

    There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.

    The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart. (Sermon, September 1, 1522).

    [She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough.

    Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).

    No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537).

    One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).

    Luther gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of “Spiritual Mother” for Christians:

    It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother .. (Sermon, Christmas, 1522)

    Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).

    Martin Luther held the belief of Mary’s Immaculate Conception [an innovation not found in Orthodoxy], Luther’s words follow:

    It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin” (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).

    She is full of grace, proclaimed [ to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. (Personal {”Little”} Prayer Book, 1522).

    Martin Luther on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    Here are some of the founders of reform commenting on Mary:

    Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.
    {Luther’s Works, eds. Jaroslav Pelikan (vols. 1-30) & Helmut T. Lehmann (vols. 31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (vols. 1-30); Philadelphia: Fortress Press (vols. 31-55), 1955, v.22:23 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) }

    Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that ‘brothers’ really mean ‘cousins’ here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.
    {Pelikan, ibid., v.22:214-15 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) }

    A new lie about me is being circulated. I am supposed to have preached and written that Mary, the mother of God, was not a virgin either before or after the birth of Christ . . .
    {Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:199 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523) }

    Scripture does not say or indicate that she later lost her virginity . . .

    When Matthew [1:25] says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom.
    {Pelikan, ibid.,v.45:206,212-3 / That Jesus Christ was Born a Jew (1523) }

    Editor Jaroslav Pelikan (Lutheran) adds:
    Luther . . . does not even consider the possibility that Mary might have had other children than Jesus. This is consistent with his lifelong acceptance of the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
    {Pelikan, ibid.,v.22:214-5}

    “. . . she is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin. . . . God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. . . . God is with her, meaning that all she did or left undone is divine and the action of God in her. Moreover, God guarded and protected her from all that might be hurtful to her.”
    Ref: Luther’s Works, American edition, vol. 43, p. 40, ed. H. Lehmann, Fortress, 1968

    “. . . she is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God. . . . it is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God.”
    Ref: Sermon on John 14. 16: Luther’s Works (St. Louis, ed. Jaroslav, Pelican, Concordia. vol. 24. p. 107)

    “Christ our Savior was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb. . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that.”
    (REf: On the Gospel of St. John: Luther’s Works, vol. 22. p. 23, ed. Jaroslav Pelican, Concordia, 1957)

    “Men have crowded all her glory into a single phrase: The Mother of God. No one can say anything greater of her, though he had as many tongues as there are leaves on the trees.” (From the Commentary on the Magnificat.)

    Commentaries on Luther:

    “. . . in the resolutions of the 95 theses Luther rejects every blasphemy against the Virgin, and thinks that one should ask for pardon for any evil said or thought against her.” (Ref: Wm. J. Cole, “Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?” in Marian Studies 1970, p. 116:)

    “In Luther’s Explanation of the Magnificat in 1521, he begins and ends with an invocation to Mary, which Wright feels compelled to call ’surprising’”.
    (David F. Wright, Chosen by God: Mary in Evangelical Perspecive, London: Marshall Pickering, 1989, p. 178, Cited from Faith & Reason, Spring 1994, p. 6.)

    Martin Luther defends the Eucharist

    In 1529 Martin Luther engaged the question of transubstantiation in the famous conference at Marburg with Zwingli and other Swiss theologians; he maintained his view that Christ is present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist.

    Other Reformers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity

    John Calvin

    Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s ‘brothers’ are sometimes mentioned.
    {Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, sec. 39 (Geneva, 1562), vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, tr. William Pringle, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55}

    [On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called ‘first-born’; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.
    {Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107}

    Under the word ‘brethren’ the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity.
    {Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, (7:3) }

    Huldreich Zwingli

    He turns, in September 1522, to a lyrical defense of the perpetual virginity of the mother of Christ . . . To deny that Mary remained ‘inviolata’ before, during and after the birth of her Son, was to doubt the omnipotence of God . . . and it was right and profitable to repeat the angelic greeting - not prayer - ‘Hail Mary’ . . . God esteemed Mary above all creatures, including the saints and angels - it was her purity, innocence and invincible faith that mankind must follow. Prayer, however, must be . . . to God alone . . .

    ‘Fidei expositio,’ the last pamphlet from his pen . . . There is a special insistence upon the perpetual virginity of Mary.
    {G. R. Potter, Zwingli, London: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1976, pp.88-9,395 / The Perpetual Virginity of Mary . . ., Sep. 17, 1522}

    Zwingli had printed in 1524 a sermon on ‘Mary, ever virgin, mother of God.’
    {Thurian, ibid., p.76}

    I have never thought, still less taught, or declared publicly, anything concerning the subject of the ever Virgin Mary, Mother of our salvation, which could be considered dishonourable, impious, unworthy or evil . . . I believe with all my heart according to the word of holy gospel that this pure virgin bore for us the Son of God and that she remained, in the birth and after it, a pure and unsullied virgin, for eternity.
    {Thurian, ibid., p.76 / same sermon}

    Heinrich Bullinger

    Bullinger (d. 1575) . . . defends Mary’s perpetual virginity . . . and inveighs against the false Christians who defraud her of her rightful praise: ‘In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious as it has sprung from pure faith and burning love of God.’ She is ‘the most unique and the noblest member’ of the Christian community . . .

    ‘The Virgin Mary . . . completely sanctified by the grace and blood of her only Son and abundantly endowed by the gift of the Holy Spirit and preferred to all . . . now lives happily with Christ in heaven and is called and remains ever-Virgin and Mother of God.’

    {In Hilda Graef, Mary: A history of Doctrine and Devotion, combined ed. of vols. 1 & 2, London: Sheed & Ward, 1965, vol.2, pp.14-5}

    John Wesley (Founder of Methodism)

    The Blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as when she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin.
    {”Letter to a Roman Catholic” / In This Rock, Nov. 1990, p.25}

  124. ERS December 4, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

    Frankly, I have lost respect for Jones (or is that “Jewns”?) for a host of reasons.

    This is just another straw on the proverbial camel’s back. I have come to believe that he is indeed a co-intel-pro op of some sort. Get the patriot community riled up; gather the names of those involved in speaking out - and bag them all.

    I am WAITING for Texe Marrs to call Jones out for the Zionist shill that he is. Icke is right about Zionism and the elephant in the parlor. Apparently, Jones has sold out and he, too is ignoring the beast in the corner. Shame on him. And that is an excellent question - why the hell is the ADL - of all groups - supporting Jones?

  125. serpentseed December 4, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

    Friar Joe,

    You are still dancing around my simple question just like every holy man has done since I first asked that question in my childhood…is there more than one God?

    >>”F.Y.I., there “second” biblical reference to God in the PLURAL sense is found in Genesis 18:1-3:”

    Wrong, Joe. And FYI right back at ya, the next reference to plural Gods is when God returns to the Garden and proclaims to someone: Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”
    Genesis 3:22

  126. To serpentseed December 4, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

    The answer to your question is not a mystery. The ancient Hebrews believed there was a heavenly host of deities (an assembly).

    Not until later did they understand that there was only one God and that the others were false idols who had no existence. There are many Bible commentaries that explain this.

  127. KathJuliane December 4, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus Christ, dear “serpentseed” –

    Actually, I took your name as something of a taunt to Satan and got a good chuckle from it. (Boo! back at ya. In my college days a long time ago before personal computers (!), I used to earn money capturing rattlers for antivenin serums). The holy prophet Elijah was quite fiery when he taunted the false gods at Mt. Carmel.

    You have good questions and a worthy inner struggle about the teachings of the Holy Tri-unity.

    From the earliest times of the ancient historical Church, the ancient Fathers have dealt in various ways with this issue, both in confessing this to be mostly a great Divine mystery, and in defense of Christian faith in working out theology in a logical manner into dogmatic formulas.

    In wrestling through some of this, it almost has to be worked like an algebra problem, and for that we will need some tools as well.

    Using simple algebra, the problem of how “three can be one” might structurally be “solved” as such in terms of a simple formula:

    If the Triunity is thought of as 1+1+1=3, then yes, the way is open for the accusation “three gods,” which is not where we want to go or Christianity teaches.

    If thought of as the axiomatic 1×1x1=1, now we are on the better track, and the basic monotheistic truth is preserved in its algebraic formula, yet now it introduces the idea of the indivisible compound unity, and the paradox of the Holy Trinity.

    In the West, we are rather impatient about encountering and living with paradoxes. Also, the ancient Hebrew has idiomatic peculiarities all of its own, and often carried a prophetic two-fold or more meaning or double-reference, and sometimes qualities of punning.

    So, let us begin, and I humbly request your patience which my prayer is to help you get unstuck.

    To begin with: St Theophan the Recluse, a 19th century Russian holy man aware of the missionary work in Russian America had this to say: “Of the Eastern peoples, the Persians and the Indians, both Asian and American, have the most elevated concept of God….The American Indians, for example, call God the Universal Spirit; invisible, all-embracing. This is a very lofty notion, and in and of itself, it cannot be carried further than this.”

    But a practical working discipline of theology centered on Scripture is certainly much more complex than the simple algebra, as we are dealing with the living, one true Lord God of Christian faith. I will attempt to answer by using excerpts from “Orthodox Dogmatic Theology” written by Fr. Michael Pomanzansky.

    First about scary “dogmas” and “canons” that can tangle us up thought-wise as “legalisms” in the American West with our fierce love of Protestant independent thinking, and various misconceptions about what is Church “discipline” (teaching) and “Tradition”– that which is then passed on from this teaching.

    In Orthodox ecclesiastical terminology dogmas are the truths of Christian teaching, the truths of faith, and the canons are the prescriptions relating to church order, church government, the obligations of the church hierarchy and clergy and of every Christian, which flow from the moral foundations of the evangelical and Apostolic teaching. ‘Canon’ is Greek which literally means “a straight rod, a measure of precise direction”.

    So as to guard the right path of faith, the true Church has had to forge strict forms for the expression of the truths of faith: it has had to ‘build up the fortress of truth’ for the repulsion of influences foreign to the true Church by both the tools of dogmata and canons.

    The definitions of truth declared by the Church have been called, since the days of the Apostles, dogmas. In the Acts of the Apostles we read of the Apostles Paul and Timothy that “as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees (dogmata) for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem (Acts 16:4, in reference to the decrees of the Apostolic Council in the fifteenth chapter).

    Among the ancient Greeks and Romans the Greek word ‘dogmat’ was used to refer a) to philosophical conceptions, and b) to directives which were to be precisely fulfilled. In the Christian understanding, “dogmas” are the opposite of “opinions,” that is, inconstant personal conceptions.

    Dogmatic theology, which relies on its logical proofs from the words of inspired Scripture itself, is the far more ancient discipline than Aquinas’ Scholasticism, a fusion of Aristotlean philosophy with older teachings that found its way into Western Christianity about the 13th c. and became the dominant theological form for centuries.

    Dogmas are not founded on the rational conceptions of separate individuals, even though these might be Fathers and Teachers of the Orthodox Church, but rather on the teaching of Sacred Scripture and on the Apostolic Sacred Tradition.

    The truths of faith which are contained in Scripture and Tradition give the fullness of the teaching of faith. The truths of Scripture and Tradition, harmoniously fused together into a single whole, define the “catholic and orthodox consciousness” of the true Church, a consciousness that is guided by the Holy Spirit.

    It is the works of the Holy Fathers and Teachers of the Church (including the Apostles as foremost as the personal witnesses of God’s fullest Revelation of Himself) who are the guides in questions of faith, for the correct understanding of Sacred Scripture, in order to distinguish the authentic Tradition of the Church from false teachings. We Orthodox constantly appeal to the works of the holy Fathers of the Church and the concillar decrees of the “Seven Ecumenical Synods”, acknowledging that the unanimous agreement of all the ancient Fathers and teachers of the Church in teaching of the Faith is an undoubted sign of truth.

    The holy Fathers stood for truth, fearing neither threats nor persecutions nor death itself. The Patristic explanations of the truths of the Faith 1) gave precision to the expression of the truths of Christian teaching and created a unity of dogmatic language; 2) added testimonies of these truths from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and also brought forth for them arguments based on reason.

    In theology, attention is also given to certain private opinions (theologoumena) of the holy Fathers or teachers of the Church on questions which have not been precisely defined and accepted by the whole Church.

    These opinions are not to be confused with dogmas, in the precise meaning of the word. The Western church and the Papacy has declared a number of dogmas which the Orthodox treat as theologoumena.

    In Orthodoxy as compared to Roman Catholicism, for example, we believe that the Bishop of Rome has certain primacy of honor among bishops as the “first among equals” (which was conferred by concillar decree of the bishops themselves, by the way) but not supreme over them or any of the Ecumenical Synods and their dogmatic rulings.

  128. charlie December 4, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

    Actually, it was imperative that Mary, the virgin, be completely free of original sin from the first moment of her Immaculate Conception.

    Otherwise she would have been a fallen creature, unable to fulfill the mission entrusted to her.

    Baptism, which came later, freeing us from the effects of originl sin, was unavailable to her before her first entrusted holy task - to give flesh and blood to Christ. Does Christ have corrupted flesh and blood flowing through his bones?

    The answer is of course, no.

    Any other answer would be heretical in any sensible forum.

    Whilst in the womb Christ was totally dependant on the body and blood of his Mother, his flesh from her flesh, his blood from her blood, which nourished and grew the foetus soley without further supernatural help from the Holy Spirit.

    Was this contaminated blood from contaminated flesh which fed and grew the pure , perfect, body and blood of Christ? Contaminated with the genetic code of fallen human flesh?

    Christ did come to save us from sin.

    He did not or could partake in that sin. God is holy.

    Indeed God is Holiness itself.

    He could not take for his own body, sinful human flesh.

    If the Virgin Mary was a fallen creature due to the “stain” of original sin then it follows that the body of Christ which she formed from her own body, as every mother does her offspring, and not the father, was indeed itself also a fallen, corrupted sinful body.

    Christ was not formed of corrupted human flesh.

    If this effect of original sin was not also genetic and hence physical, where does death come from, where does corruption come from, aging, where does sickness come from?

    Was not man in the garden of Eden free from all these things due to a perfect genetic code and makeup?

    The problem with the Eastern Orthodox church, if they do not believe this obvious reasoning, is that they have not defined this doctrine. It was always implicit in all references to Mary throughout the ages.

    It was never doubted or called into question. Indeed tradition abounds that she never fell sick, never aged beyond her youthful appearance.

    Assuming of course that the Eastern Orthodox really do believe Mary was conceived with original sin, as a church, and not just the misinformed belief of some of their members.

    I’m persuaded Putin believes in the Immaculate Conception.

    Lourdes, where Mary calls herself “The Immaculate conception”, in response to the Popes’s definition of it as a dogma of faith, and therefore God himself considered it necessary to make a supernatural confirmation of this definition, as Mary does nothing without God has left us a sign, not just in the innumerable miracles performed there, miracles of healing of fallen human flesh, but the supernatural preservation of the body of Bernadette, to whom Our Lady confided this mystery of her Immaculate Conception.

    Further proofs are no longer necessary, as disbelief in the true apparitions of Mary constitutes deibelief in Mary herself, and to these people, by definition her Immaculate conception is inconsequential.

  129. KathJuliane December 4, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

    Nor we do not hold the Pope nor the Blessed Virgin Mary as being the supreme heads of the Church in “absence of Christ” until His second coming, but only our Lord Jesus Christ Who is always present as the Head of His Body.

    Orthodoxy does not have a separate Mariology, but Her place, as a most beloved and exalted creature of God and the Church, is always interpreted through Christology and soteriology, entirely central of which is the great mystery of Incarnation of the God-Man Christ, the fullness of God’s Revelation of God Himself to mankind.

    In many of the Eastern icons of the Virgin Mary and the Christ Child – Emmanuel – “God with us”– together, Jesus is portrayed as a miniature adult man, reflecting His humility and condescension to be born of a woman as the incarnate Son of Man and our Savior, and not as an naturalistic helpless infant as found in Western religious art.

    Moreover, these icons styles nearly always feature the Virgin Mary pointing to or presenting forth the Son of God to the viewer and it is He that gives the signs of blessing. The last words of Mary recorded in Scripture are “Whatever He says to you, do it,” and the icons reflect that. Even in iconography, the image does not contradict the truths of Scripture.

    However, these recognized theologoumena are not to be confused with dogmas, in the precise meaning of the word.

    There are some private opinions of certain Fathers (like Origen, who repented of his highly Platonic, allegorical teachings, and was otherwise a wonderful translator of Scripture, or else some of the Fathers that taught Chiliasm, for example, before this teaching was anathematized by concillar decree) which are not recognized as being in agreement with the general orthodox catholic (in its original meaning in the pre-Papal era) faith of the Apostolic Church, and are not accepted as a guide for faith.

    As an example of such “private opinions,” one may make the mistaken opinion of St. Gregory of Nyssa that hell is not everlasting and that all – including the demons – are to be saved in the end. This opinion was rejected decisively at the Fifth Ecumenical Synod as contradicting the Church’s “catholic consciousness,” but St. Gregory himself is still accepted as a saint and a Holy Father in the Orthodox Church and his other teachings are not questioned.

    The catholic consciousness of the Orthodox Church, where it concerns the teaching of faith, is also expressed in the Orthodox Divine Services which have been handed down to us by the Ecumenical Church, and have their origins in both the synagogue and temple liturgics and traditions of Jerusalem as found in Scripture, passed down and gradually expanded upon.

    Our liturgical day still starts at 6 pm the evening before. By entering deeply into the content of the Divine service books we make ourselves firmer in the dogmatic teaching of the Orthodox Church.

    The content of the Orthodox Divine services is the culminating expression of the teaching of the holy Apostles and Fathers of the Church, both in the sphere of dogma and morals. It is beautifully expressed in the kontakion (a hymn) which is sung on the day of the commemoration of the Holy Fathers of the Ecumenical Synods of the first millennium:

    “The preaching of the Apostles and the dogmas of the Fathers have imprinted upon the Church a single faith, which, bearing the garment of truth woven of the theology from above, rightly dispenseth and glorifieth the great mystery of piety.”

    The dogmatic labor of the Church has always been directed towards the confirmation in the consciousness of the faithful of the truths of the Faith which have been confessed by the Church from the very beginning, from Christ and the Apostles themselves. This labor consists of indicating which way of thinking is the one that follows the Ecumenical Tradition.

    The Church’s labor of instructing in the Faith has been, in battling against heresies: a) to find a precise form for the expression of the truths of the Faith as handed down from antiquity, and b) to confirm the correctness of the Church’s teaching, founding it on Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

    In the teaching of the Faith, it is the thinking of the holy Apostles that was and remains the standard of the fullness and wholeness of the Christian world view. A Christian of the 21st century cannot develop more completely or go deeper into the truths of the Faith than the Apostles.

    Therefore, any attempt that is made – whether by individuals or in the name of dogmatic theology itself – to reveal “new” Christian truths, or new aspects of the dogmas handed down to us, or a new understanding of them, is completely out of place.

    There is no doubt that the Apostles were strict monotheists who entirely believed in the one God of Israel. Every day of their lives they would hear and repeat in home, synagogues and at the Temple “ShemA Israel, YHVH, Elohenu, YHVH, EchaD”, which is quoted by the Lord Jesus at Matt. 22:37 and Mark 12:29 as “Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.”

    With this agrees the choice of the word Echad, which is used for “one”. In the Hebrew there are two words in use for the number “one” — Echad, “one”; and Yacheed, “an only one”, an absolute unity, but this is not the word used in Deut. 6:4, and is never used of YHVH. It is used of the Lord Jesus as the only begotten Son, but never of YHVH, because the word Echad is used instead — a compound unity.

    What is predicated of God is not the unity of God at all, but that it is to Him that the name YHVH rightfully belongs, that He is the one and only God, and that there can be not other. It is equally opposed to all forms of Theism and Deism, which are the creations of man’s ideas, as well as to polytheism on the one hand, and national or local deities on the other. The whole statement has regard to **revelation**.

    Until the fullness of the Revelation of Christ to all mankind, Israel alone could say, YHVH is “our God,” because He has made Himself known through revelation at Sinai — “His ways unto Moses, and His acts to the children of Israel” (Ps. 103:7).

  130. The Prodigal Son December 4, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

    Serpentseed,

    Your answer lies within the mystery of the Holy Trinity.

    From the beginning the Son of God and the Holy Spirit were there with the Father…

    In Genesis 1:1, God the Father created the heavens and the earth.

    In Genesis 1:2, The Holy Spirit was hovering over the water.

    In Genesis 1:3, The Word of God, the Son made the light.

    Here’s an example of all Three together in the same verses, demonstrating the Trinity of God perfectly in the New Testsament :

    “When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came down from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.’”
    - Matthew 3:16,17

    There is a verse in the Old Testament that the ‘Jews’ of today use to proclaim the ‘oneness’ of God… Deuteronomy 6:4, also known as the ‘Shema’:

    “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.”

    The word ‘Lord’ is from the Hebrew ‘Tetragrammaton’ - in English ‘YHWH’ or ‘JHVH’.

    To the Israelites, the Name of God was sacred - and out of respect, they did not say the Name of God; nor would they erase it if it was written.

    The Tetragrammaton is the term for the group of four Hebrew letters which represent the (unpronouncable) Name of God.

    Instead of pronouncing the Name, the Hebrews would instead say, ‘Adonai’ (Lord) or ‘HaShem’ (the Name).

    The word we English have translated as ‘God’ is from the Hebrew ‘Elohim’, and is actually the plural form of the word Eloah - which means God…

    The word ‘one’ comes from the Hebrew ‘echad’, which is actually used to signify a compound unity - of a coming together to be ‘as one’.

    There is a Hebrew word for absolute unity and it is ‘yachid’.

    So back to the ‘Shema’, if we use some of the Hebrew - we have:

    ‘Hear, O Israel, the YHWH Elohim is echad YHWH.’

    Or… ‘Hear, O Israel, the YHWH Gods are as one YHWH.’

    God is Three and God is One at the same time.

    So Elohim does mean literally ‘Gods’ !

    Hope that helps !

  131. KathJuliane December 4, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

    The aim of dogmatic theology as a branch of learning is to set forth, with firm foundation and proof, the Orthodox Christian teaching which has been handed down.

    Certain complete works of dogmatic theology set forth the thinking of the Fathers of the Church in an historical sequence and sometimes in different arrangements.

    One must understand that methods of expositions in Orthodox theology in various epochs does not have the aim of investigating the “gradual development of Christian teaching”; its aim is different one: it is to show the complete setting forth, in historical sequence, of the ideas of the holy Fathers of the Church on every subject and confirms most clearly that the Holy Fathers in all ages thought the same about the Apostolic truths of the Faith.

    But, since some of them viewed the subject from one side, and others from another side, and since some brought forth arguments of one kind, and some of another, therefore the historical sequence of the teaching of the Fathers gives a complete view of the dogmas of the Faith and the fullness of the proofs of their truth throughout the centuries.

    Therefore, in the “patristic consciousness” of the Orthodox Church, there is no over-reliance on particular individuals and their thinking as “doctors” formulated into binding doctrines and “schools”, such as Blessed Augustine, Aquinas, or “Pauline doctrine” or “Petrine doctrine”.

    This does not mean that the theological exposition of dogmas must take an unalterable form. Each epoch puts forth its own views, ways of understanding, questions, heresies, and protests against Christian truth, or else repeats ancient ones which had been forgotten.

    Theology naturally takes into consideration the inquiries of each age, answers them, and sets forth the dogmatic truths accordingly. In this sense, one may speak about the development of dogmatic theology **as a branch of learning**”, but there are no sufficient grounds for speaking about the development of the Christian teaching of faith itself, which was fully revealed in the Person of Jesus Christ for once and for all time.

    Dogmatic theology is for the believing Christian. In itself it does not inspire faith, but presupposes that faith already exists in the heart. “I believed, wherefore I spake”, says a righteous man of the Old Testament (Ps. 115:1).

    And the Lord Jesus Christ revealed the mysteries of the Kingdom of God to His disciples AFTER they had believed in Him: “Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (John 6:68-69).

    Faith, and more precisely faith in the Son of God Who has come into the world, is the cornerstone of Sacred Scripture of both the Old and New Testaments; it is the cornerstone of one’s personal salvation; and it is the cornerstone of true theology.

    “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His Name (John 20:31), and the Apostle John repeats the same thought many times in his epistles; and these words of his express the chief idea of all the writing of the holy Apostles: “I believe”.

    All Christian theologizing must begin with this confession. Under this condition theologizing is not an abstract mental exercise, not an intellectual dialectics, but a dwelling of one’s thought in Divine truths, a directing of the mind and heart towards God, and a recognition of God’s love. For an unbeliever theologizing is without effect, because Christ Himself, is “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense (1 Pet. 2:7-8; Matt. 21:44).

    The course of dogmatic theology is divided into two basic parts: into the teaching 1) about God **in Himself** and 2) about God in His **manifestation** of Himself as Creator, Providence, Savior of the world, and Perfector of the destiny of the world.

  132. serpentseed December 5, 2009 @ 12:13 am

    Okay, thank you to all who took the time to respond. Now, I have another question if I may be so bold. Who was Cain afraid of if the only other humans on Earth were Adam and Eve?

    And what’s with the fossilized human footprints that are estimated to be 50 some odd million years old? That predates cavemen, don’t it? Cavemen are another story, I guess.

    Interesting how some kind of bi-pedal lizard apparently walked through the same mud patch as this human.
    http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Dinasaurhuman.jpg
    http://ianjuby.org/delk/human.jpg

    Also, does the Bible say anything about Mars? Because there is something walking around on that planet as I write, and it’s bound to look funny with a trippy three toed foot like this.

    Official NASA photo:
    http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/Footprints/EnlargedFootprint.jpeg

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/Footprints/EnlargedFootprint.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/Footprints/footprint.html&usg=__o_QWPM-CVM8LZAJSjowU-iKDzN4=&h=400&w=414&sz=22&hl=en&start=2&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=pSiQH2zBL3B3hM:&tbnh=121&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmars%2Bfootprints%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1I7DKUS_en%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

    And who is flying these speedy little UFO’s that buzzed a helicopter in NY.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH7dk-Knx68

    I know I wandered OT but that’s what I do when searching for the whole truth, forgive me.

  133. The Prodigal Son December 5, 2009 @ 12:50 am

    I would like to make a correction to my post above which was in response to Dachsielady…

    I said “Most (all of the first) Zionists were & are ‘Jewish’. These ‘Jews’ are criminals who wish to establish a headquarters in the Holy Land.

    Regular ‘Jews’ (like Naturei Karta) are criminals who don’t want to go to Israel ”

    That was unfair. That didn’t come out the way it should have. I apologize.

    What I should have said was :

    Most (all of the first) Zionists were & are FAKE ‘Jews’. These FAKE ‘Jews’ are FOR THE MOST PART criminals who wish to establish a headquarters in the Holy Land.

    Regular FAKE ‘Jews’ (like Naturei Karta) MANY OF WHOM are ALSO criminals, who don’t want to go to Israel.

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    KathJuliane,

    How amazing that we both chose to expound upon the same verse for ‘Serpentseed’!

    I would make a crack about ‘great minds thinking alike’, but I wouldn’t suppose to compare my childlike mind with your vast library of knowledge !

    I have a question for you… I would ask Br. Nathanael, but he is so busy… (or is he?)

    My question is this:

    I am having a ‘discussion’ with a very nice gentleman on another blog (evangelicals), and we have gotten into the subject of Church government…

    He says that ‘elder’ and ‘bishop’ are the same office. He also says that Scripture is clear, and states that a bishop/elder MUST be married, and MUST have children.

    I know that in the Orthodox Church, while priests and deacons may be married - bishops must not be married… Or at least this is my understanding.

    Any suggestions on how I can demonstrate to him that our Church is not in error ?

    He says he belongs to the ‘Church of Christ’ and any bishop who isn’t married is going against the qualifications for bishop as set forth in I Timothy 3…

    I have tried to find an answer, but I have come up short.

    Perhaps you (or someone else) might have a good explanation (hopefully w/ Scriptural references) for this ?

    Thanks,
    Joshua

  134. Michael K. December 5, 2009 @ 5:53 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,

    Although there is some evidence that Alex Jones’ wife, and by extension his offspring, are Jewish it is not feasible to represent Jones as such. Actually, my interaction with Jones while calling in to his radio program back in 2006 has led me to conclude that he is in the thrall of the British Israel heresy. For those who are still unfamiliar with this term, it is a popular Protestant heresy with links to dipsensationalism, the rapture heresy and the Judaizers generally.

    Essentially, the book attributed to Helen Peters, “THE UNION JACK”(1971), and which is available at Ken Adachi’s excellent website contains an eye opening expose of the broad reach of this heresy in the English speaking world:

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/britishisraelhiddenhand10jul05.shtml

    The massacre of the indigenous peoples of North America and other places colonized by English speakers was in part carried out under the religious aegis of this Protestant belief that the English speaking people were operating under the protections and immunities of ancient Biblical Israel regarding its enemies, and that the whole Earth was already the property of the English speaking people even before it was discovered. This is akin to both Judaism and Mormonism. A good example of the heresy as it sits today follows:

    http://www.british-israel.ca/

    What I am specifically saying regarding Alex Jones is that I confronted him live on the radio, quite to his surprise, with a pointed question about the British Israel heresy’s role in shaping the events of the present day, and he hemmed, stammered, and then went off on a boring monologue for at least five minutes straight about the vagaries of the heresy, without refuting it, and not only didn’t address the question but was showing his experienced use of the methods of sophistry exposed elsewhere as the purview of liars and ‘facilitators’.

    Jones is a Welsh name, and Alex Jones looks as Welsh as they come, hence it would not be unlikely that he has come under the Judaizing influence of British Israelism out of racial pride and vanity, and believes himself to be a descendant of Biblical northern kingdom of Israel, thus a natural ally to the Judean Jews (which we already know Ashkenazis aren’t, but who cares if it’s all an irrational belief anyway?).

    The fallacy of the British Israel heresy is fully examined by a British theologian at the following web address:

    http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/article_legend_dimont.html

    The important thing to understand is that there are a large number of Protestant believers in America, Canada, Australia, South Africa and the United Kingdom who subscribe to this erroneous heresy, and are currently being led to endorse and allow cataclysmic confrontation in the Middle East, to endorse Palestinian genocide, and who continue to refuse to humble themselves in repentance for the race crimes committed against native peoples whose only crime was occupying ‘Israel’s inheritance’.

    This is the very fruit of a five-hundred year program of Judaization of the Protestant Church, which began when the Jews set us shop in London and has involved the constant manipulation and falsification of Christianity to fit within a larger Judeo-Masonic master plan of world domination and the genocide of gentile resistors, by and through the misdirected and vainly sinning efforts of the greater English speaking diaspora.

    The only way out is to realize that this is NOT Christianity, but is a Judeo-Masonic New Age death cult. This is truly the spiritual battleground, an as is predictable, Jones is gathering a large following amongst the Baptists and Pentacostalists, many of whom are the willing footsoldiers of the American colonial empire. Hopefully, his placement on Sirius XM radio, next to profane chronically masturbating cokeheads like Howard Stearns and Bubba the Love Sponge will do something to awaken them to the notion that all is not well with AJ.

    I have so many neighbors who are hoodwinked by the ‘rapture’ heresy, and by the notion of the State of Israel’s special status as a receptacle of God’s will, that I have to try to alert them to their danger. However, this is not easy and perhaps as Albert Pike, Grand Sovereign Pontiff of World Freemasonry said of Masonic initiates, “He who labors to undeceive them labors in vain.” This is probably due to the fact that British-Israel Judeo-Masonry rests upon the dual pillars of vanity and denial, and hold back a flood of regret, shame and repentance that becomes even harder to face the longer it build up behind the dam.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  135. sERPENTSEED-YOUR QUESTION answered December 5, 2009 @ 7:09 am

    There are no 50 million year old fossilized footprints. They are a scam. Mankind in its current form is no more than about 200.000 years old, and with the human, symbolic mind he now has, about 60,000 or MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.

  136. katman December 5, 2009 @ 7:24 am

    Brother Nate,

    I think it might be a good idea for you to come down to Austin Texas and stand in front of Alex Jone’s GCN studios and say what needs to be said.

    There are many down here who would help you….:) It is obvious that “patriot radio” was always just a setup and was always infiltrated and we thirst for knowledge but are never filled. Is this by accident?

    I think not. Kudos to Z.O.G. for opening my eyes about that stuff.

  137. Hello December 5, 2009 @ 7:32 am

    @Hoff

    Full text

    MORE ORGAN THEFT” & “UKRAINE ISN’T THE GAZA STRIP”

    And another country refuses to let Israel control it. Ukraine tells Israeli Organisation attempting censorship “Ukraine isn’t the Gaza Strip.” Additionally, Ukraine is accusing Israel of harvesting organs from 25,000 missing Ukrainian children taken to Israel. This on the heels of the same types of accusations from Sweden’s Donald Boström report on the same thing only the victims were Palestinians. Then of course we had the New Jersey Rabbis in America, selling Kidneys on the black market . Anyone notice a theme here?

    As expected, screams of Anti-Semitism, which are totally not true, because these are actually accusations of crimes, which, is NOT Anti-Semitic. Perhaps the international community should call for an International investigation into these claims of organ harvesting and Israel should cooperate, if, it has nothing to hide:

    Stories appearing on several Ukrainian Web sites claim Israel has brought around some 25,000 Ukrainian children into the country over the past two years in order to harvest their organs.

    The claim, which was made by a Ukrainian philosophy professor and author at a pseudo-academic conference in Kiev five days ago, is the latest expression of a wave of anti-Semitism in the country. It comes a few months after a Swedish tabloid ran an article alleging that Israel Defense Forces soldiers have killed Palestinian civilians for their organs.

    Vyacheslav Gudin told the estimated 300 attendees of the Kiev conference a detailed story about a Ukrainian man’s fruitless search for 15 children who had been adopted in Israel. The children, Gudin said, had clearly been taken by Israeli medical centers, where they were used for “spare parts.” Gudin said it was essential that all Ukrainians be made aware of the genocide Israel was perpetrating.

    The conference, some of whose participants belong to a Slavic-rights movement, also featured two professors who presented a book blaming “the Zionists” for the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s as well as the country’s current condition.

    Many Ukrainian Web sites covered the speeches without putting them into context. In response to a request by the country’s Jewish community Ukraine’s police force is investigating ZUBR, one of the Web sites that reported the speeches.

    Meanwhile, Ukrainians demonstrated outside the Israeli Embassy in Kiev on Tuesday to protest a letter signed by 26 Knesset members condemning what they described as anti-Semitic remarks by presidential candidate Sergey Ratushnyak. Protesters chanted “Ukraine isn’t the Gaza Strip,” indicating they consider the MKs to be trying to exert control over their country.

  138. katman December 5, 2009 @ 7:46 am

    I agree with what was said about Luther above. he did not want to break with the Catholic Church but merely wanted to reform it. The thing that irritated him the most I believe is the concept of the selling of indulgences.

    Some have told me that, well Luther was helped by the Jews because they saw a way to break up the power and the monopoly of the Catholic Church during those times. I say well maybe so, but Luther figured out what was going on and denounced them in no uncertain terms.

    I have always theorized that the Catholic Church and the Jews have always been in contention for power and money. They have both utiilized whatever means necessary to accomplish this goal. They have both been adversaries in this great quest.

    I find it interesting that most of the poor white farmers who lived in Europe during these times were lucky to have a set of clothes on their back, yet the priests were fed on a daily basis and never had to work. Plus they conned whatever money they could out of the peasants whenever they could. Is it not so that the Catholic Church, lent money to the peasants, money that had to paid back. So did the Jews. They were the money lenders during the Middle Ages.

    I also find it strange how the Jews have always strived to be educated and do whatever is necessary to achieve this. Then you look at the Catholic priest and they too were educated. Then you look at the most of the white peasant class in Europe and they were kept in the dark about what was really going on. I think this is one of the things that really agitated Martin Luther.

    Some say well Vatican I is better than Vatican II. I say how is this so? When we look at Jewish infiltration methods, we see that this has been carried out on a massive scale in the Catholic Church from the start. Heck many of the Popes were Jews. yet Jews have been known to do whatever it takes to get ahead. Therefore this fact in and of itself supports my overall thesis.

    The Catholic Church and the Jews have contended for power and money since the early 300’s or so. But you see it is two heads on the same snake. Jewish conversos who I suspect were numerous in the priestly class were running this scam about selling indulgences and making money doing it. the Jewish money lenders were mad about it and wanted that money for themselves.

    So we had a spat break out between them over who would have power and money. they saw an opening in Martin Luther. They attempted to use him for what they wanted. But as the Bible says, sometimes what man meant for bad, God changed it and made it good. And so it was. I leave you with the words of a letter written in 1492.

    In 1492, Chemor, Chief Rabbi of Spain received the following reply from the Grand Sanhedrin to his plea for advice on how to deal with their threatened expulsion under Spanish Law;

    ‘Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great a pain to hear it as yourselves.’

    The advice of the Elders of Zion is the following:

    1. As for what you say that the king of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

    2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

    3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christian’s lives.

    4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.

    5. As for the other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

    6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

    ‘Prince of the Jews of Constantinople’

    and so it has become….

    I rest my case. Your witness counselor…..

  139. Fr. Joseph December 5, 2009 @ 9:10 am

    Sacred Scripture is inspired by God the Holy Spirit - the Spirit of All Truth.

    Regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary’s SINLESS and IMMACULATE human nature:

    “It was to UNDO ALL that the devil HAD done
    that the Son of God appeared.” - The Lord’s Own Apostle, St. John - 1 John 3:8

    The Eternal Son of God the Father Himself took on our human nature in THE WOMB of a Woman…and THAT is how the Son of God appeared.

    Eve was TEMPTED. Eve also SINNED. To UNDO ALL that the devil HAD done, the Son of God’s Own MOTHER had to be SINLESS and ‘FULL OF DIVINE GRACE’.

    Now all of the ‘Dogmatic Theologians’ in the entire World can go on relentlessly and steadfastly DENYING the Mother of God’s “Immaculate Conception” all they want, but if the ‘dogmatic theologians’ begin to belittle Divine Revelation as contained in Sacred Scripture, they join the ranks of Luther, Calvin, Kranmer, Knox, Smythe, Zwingli, etc.

    - Fr. Joseph

  140. Fr. Joseph December 5, 2009 @ 10:20 am

    Serpentseed,

    And answer ME (and the rest of us here on RZN) the question INSTEAD OF dancing around it…

    Are you or are you NOT going to get a copy of Francis J. Sheed’s book “Theology for Beginners” here:

    http://www.amazon.com/Theology-Beginners-Francis-Joseph-Sheed/dp/0892831243

    YES or NO?

    If your answer to me and us is ‘YES!’, then while you are at it - in order TO HELP you understand why our World is so royally fouled up - get these TWO other books:

    Theology and Sanity - by Francis J. Sheed
    http://www.amazon.com/Theology-Sanity-F-J-Sheed/dp/0898704707

    The Sane Society - Dr. Erich Fromm
    http://www.amazon.com/Sane-Society-Erich-Fromm/dp/0805014020

    If you have any futher questions regarding the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith, then you are most certainly FREE to do a wee bit of personal research from here:

    http://www.catholic.com/

    When it comes to the realms of ‘Religion’ and ‘Human Spirituality’, from what I’ve had to witness from my own works in ‘Apologetics’ these past 23 years, people really and truly DO NOT WANT ‘TO LEARN’ - rather, they would much rather keep their foot on the brake pedal while stomping down on the accelerator causing their rear tires to SPIN and SQUEAL and make lots and lots of SMOKE in order to ‘thrill’ and capture the ‘attention’ of the Drag Race spectators on the blechers.

    Such people have NO INTENTION of releasing their foot forceably pressing on and holding down on their own personal ‘Brake Pedal’ and they have NO INTENTION of ’shifting through the GEARS’ while holding onto and managing their ’steering wheel’ as they ACCELERATE down the 1/4 mile track.

    They like the ‘Spectacle’ of DRAG RACING but they have NO INTENTION of climbing into and getting acquainted with an honest-to-goodness ‘rail drag racer’.

    THAT pretty much sums up my own personal take on people who want to go on and on about their own personal versions of and visions for ‘Religion’ rather than doing the honest-to-goodness study, examination, reflection, personal discernment then living our their ‘convictions of truth’ which is the essense of ‘BELIEF’ as well as ‘BELIEVING’.

    - Fr. Joseph

  141. serpentseed December 5, 2009 @ 11:56 am

    Joe,

    Why would an all-powerful being depend on modern day prophets to discern and rewrite his words in order to fit with hard science/reality…fact?

    Faith is a one sided blade that cuts those who live by faith alone, yes, faith cuts all ties to reality using threats of eternal damnation for those unwilling to believe in absolute and total servitude as the sole reason for human existence. The God of the Bible is a jealous God by his own admission, and I frankly have never liked jealous people let alone a jealous God. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe in a higher power or ultimate creator God, which BTW I do.

    It is beyond me how regular mortal humans can see the God of the Bible as being just and righteous when he, agian by his own admission, condones slavery, theft, murder, and all manner of criminal behavior by a people chosen by him who have made all humanity pay for their lack of faith.

    I have never worshipped a golden calf, nor have I ever bowed to worship any man, beast, or God. And yet I have paid a greater price than God himself, I have lost my mother and my brother to these luciferian SOB’s by way of their ancient babylonian demon named diseases injected directly into my beloved kin. Diseases likely alien to planet Earth.

    God of the Bible resurected his son while my kindred souls remain dust.

    Forgive me my irreverence, but you are no better than I, Joe.

  142. To serpentseed December 5, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

    Christianity is based on the mutual godly love for one another which each Christian
    bears for others.

    Jesus taught a real and fulfilling way to act based on love, kindness to others, and peace from people mature and strong because they know that way is best.

  143. charlie December 5, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

    When people criticize the Catholic church from without, they criticize it from their point of reference - that of a worldly institution. But the Catholic church is not structured and does not function as a worldly institution.

    The role of the Pope is not as head of the church, Catholicity does not think that way. This is simply how others refer to him.

    This position rightly belongs to God, as Kathjulianne has pointed out.

    Rather, he is the foundation stone on which the church structure ie. people, are built.
    He leads, but as a servant to the rest, from the bottom up, not from the top down.

    The Virgin Mary’s role is similar to the Pope but much greater. We cannot even within the Catholic church begin to understand the scope, great extent of her role because her role is shrouded in mystery and great humility. And yet she exists within the church vivifying it as a ‘Mother’.

    This is exactly as Christ himself ordained it. And it has worked well ever since.

    The failings of the Catholic church and of the Popes are not due to this foundation and edifice structure built by Christ himself but due to their own moral failings.

    “Upon this rock I will build my church”. Clearly Christ states here that he is in charge. This is understood by Catholics implicitly.

    Those outside the church see only a worldly structure, because they compare it to other worldly structures and do not and cannot partake of the peculiar grace and faith of being a Catholic.

    Though under attack especially in recent times - it is nevertheless unbending and unbroken because it is built on a rock, and by none other than Christ himself, in the heart - where Catholicism lives - regardless of what happens in the outside world.

  144. serpentseed December 5, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

    For those who don’t already know the whole truth, tune into the Dr. Carley show on RBN which starts at the top of hour. She has a regular guest named Patrick Jordan who is my personal favorite researcher. He discovered an original WHO (World Health Organization) memo that lays out for all with eyes to see how they intend to use vaccinations to reduce world population.

    Here:
    http://republicbroadcasting.org/?page_id=3

  145. Hoff December 5, 2009 @ 1:51 pm

    Jews did this and the Jews will do it again, given the chance. o2:35, how the Jews transported Russians - in box cars. Whatever the Jews accuses the Germans for the Jews did first in the Jew run Sovjet.

    “Orthodox Christian Russia under Communism”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWbwLsiyUhE

  146. kc December 5, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

    “God of the Bible resurected his Son while my kindred souls remain dust.”

    He did it for us. Christians are called to live here as to be ready to be in heaven and it is very tough.

    But despair is actually tougher to deal with. Despair and helpless sadness comes/is encouraged from devil - often for those who don’t seek God’s support, in order to block them away from turning the willpower for Christ and for Resurrection.

    Makes things look like dead end, but it’s not. We are responsible for every single choice we make.

    You need to understand that although nothing happens without God’s will, there is also people’s will which is often quite sick (sin seed) we are also the reason for what kind of world we have now.

    God does not touch our freedom of choice but we will answer for our choices later on. That is why so many people don’t like Christianity because they sense being exposed but it will happen even more prominently.

    For them God will feel like hell. Just like now, for some people, the energy of God is joy, for others it is unbearable and makes them suffer. Unless we work on ourselves and learn the internal life, it will just stay this way and most likely get worse.

  147. charlie December 5, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

    Wherefore comest thou Lord this tribulation?

    I have looked upon the world, and Gaza.
    Lo, the world has looked only to its self.

    Is there a nation that stands with Gaza?

    Not one.

    Therefore thus says God, who speaks from on high:

    “All nations will feel the fire of my wrath. All nations will drink from the well of poison, for the world has turned its back on the suffering sons of the Almighty and this day I tell you, my wrath is not turned from them.

    “You will be, as America is becoming, a lethargic backwater, prey to the evil forces which now prey on Gaza and the West Bank.

    “Are the Israelist soley to blame for the torture of my children?
    Every nation has power…..use it!
    Every nation has a voice….use it!

    “I cannot any longer stand by and watch my children suffer without respite, and as I devastate the evildoers who war on the children of righteousness, so too will I devastate you navel gazers, oblivious of their suffering.

    “The red horse of the Apocalypse has been let loose.

    “……..and to him that sat thereon was given the power to take peace from off the earth, and to cause men to slay one another, and there was given to him a great sword.” (Apocalypse 6-4)

  148. Fr. Joseph December 5, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

    Serpentseed,

    Who is better than who is an entirely irrevelent when it comes to any sort of question as to what whether something ‘is’ or ‘is not’.

    Either the Grand Canyon is or is NOT, and the Grand Canyon’s existance is totally and entirely independent of what or who you and I or anyone else on earth might think of you or I or anyone else.

    I know very little about animal husbandry, but my lack of knowledge does not take away from my nature as a human being. It does not make me ‘less’ human - it only makes me a human being ‘in need of knowledge’.

    But YOU might raise horses. Your raising and knowledge of horses does NOT make you a greater human being that I. It simply means YOU have more ANSWERS about HORSES and HORSE CARE than I.

    In my ordained capacity, I’m responsible for telling people about and teaching them about GOD to the degree I am capable with the abilities and talents that are at my disposal.

    One is either sincere about God or not. I have a duty and responsibility to tell people that TREES and ROCKS and ANIMALS are not God nor gods and that God Himself took on our human nature in the Divine Person of Jesus, The Christ.

    And Jesus Christ gave us His Own Divine Revelation of God Himself by showing us all just HOW God Is - He Himself is Omnipotent, He Himself is Omniscient and He Himself is Omnipresent. That God Is an Eternal Union of Three Divine Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    And that the Son, Jesus Christ, revealed the Inner Nature and Inner Life of God Himself - God is LOVE. God is MERCIFUL. God is COMPASSIONATE. And God is JUST in all that He does.

    Our “Mission” in this World, if we choose to accept it “Mr. Phelps” is to begin to emulate, copy and make manifest JESUS CHRIST’s ways of thinking, acting and behaving while holding onto and valuing His Divine Values and Vision for our entire World.

    So our mutual comparing ourselves to each other is simply a MEANINGLESS sort of human exercise here in this World.

    We are in this World together to exhort, encourage, inform each other in how we might bring about CHRIST JESUS’ Divine Will for His Own World of His Own Creating.

    But His Divine All-good and All-holy Will will NOT be implemented for the peoples of our World if people continually go on and on and on REJECTING Who He Is and What He Wants DONE by each and every last one of us members of the Human Race.

    So while we might all be able to pull out from our own personal living-life ‘Backpacks’ all sorts of EVILS that have beset us or have befallen us, let us keep in mind the Thought of the Divine Good that our Lord and Creator WANTS DONE here on this earth of His Creating.

    - Fr. Joseph

  149. KathJuliane December 5, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

    Dear serpentseed,

    With you I sorrow, and your story is stuck to my heart. If it is any consolation, for over 30 years, I have suffered from cancers ultimately caused by the live polio vaccines of the 50’s and 60’s incubated in monkey kidney tissue which were contaminated with a known poly-cancerous virus – SV 40 (simian virus). The virus was confirmed in my own lab tests a few years ago. Tens of millions of contaminated inoculations were given out, and surprise, surprise, the cancer rate in America began to sharply rise from that time, despite all of the official denials that the vaccines had anything to do with it.

    And then of course, it didn’t help with the environmental pollution of Cold War nuclear testing, pesticides, industrial waste, groundwater pollution and the declining quality of food to Big Agra, and all the rest of it.

    In one way or another, this man-made poison and its ravages has cost me much – family life, health, career, including living with chronic pain – either “fibromyalgia” or, since the symptoms are virtually identical, “post-polio syndrome”, a diagnosis for victims who survived natural polio, only to have some of it recur later in life.

    It is my life-long Gethsemane, and through small suffering compared to others, struggle and pain, raging at life and God at times before my conversion, by God’s grace and attempting to live an authentically Christian life in trying to get my heart and mind straightened out in a spiritual journey of “going East” from what is sometimes called “the Western captivity”, in which I am still unworthy to be called Christian as an unworthy fallen sinner, it has become spiritually richer, nevertheless, and I’ve learned a little about joyful suffering, instead of the suffering of despair and nihilism in this life-destroying spirit of the age.

    You wrote: “That doesn’t mean I don’t believe in a higher power or ultimate creator God, which BTW I do.” Good, this is a fine start, and my story is not very different from yours in terms of spiritual journeying to find my true home. Let’s see if this sounds somewhat familiar?

    This was written in the 90’s by American-born Orthodox monks as a collective voice from their experiences for God-seekers of our times, having traveled various spiritual paths themselves to get where they are.

    “Living in Western society, we have been exposed to Christianity in one form or another, but at one time we turned away from it because we found something lacking. Our spirits did not bear witness to the truth in it, for that truth had been obscured by an unreal kind of religiosity. In seeking Truth, we had sought a direct, intuitive apprehension of Reality, but in the Christian churches we had seen this mystical apprehension substituted by intellectualism on the one hand and emotionalism on the other.

    “In the first case, Christianity becomes something that is acquired through rote learning, based on the idea that if you just get the words and actions right – if you just memorize the key Scripture verses, intellectually grasp the concepts and repeat them, know how to act and to speak in the religious dialect of a particular sect – you will be saved.

    Christianity then becomes a dry, word-based religion, a legalistic system, a set of ideas and behaviors, and a political institution that operates on the same principles as the institutions of this world.

    “In many places, the churches will add the element of emotionalism and enthusiasm in order to add some life to their dead systems, but this becomes just as grossly material as religious legalism. People become hypnotized by their self-induced emotional states as much as they do by feeling “right” about their Scriptures and doctrines.

    “This is not direct perception of Reality; it is not the Ultimate. It is no wonder, then, that even if some of us were raised in Christian homes, we began to look elsewhere, into Eastern or Native American religions.

    “Some of us were satisfied to stay on this path. In others of us, however, a strange thing occurred. In one sense, we were making more spiritual progress than every before on our new path, but at the same time we were inexplicably unfulfilled. In our newfound apprehension that there was something more than the realm of the ego and the passions, we became aware that there must be something even more – more than even our Eastern or Native American tradition supplied.

    “Why is this? Some would say that, as Westerners, we have Christianity in our genes, as it were. But we would say more than this: that, even though we were exposed to an attenuated form of Christianity, still we were exposed to the “Christ Ideal” – as the great transmitter of Native American religion, Ohiyesa, called it. The very seed of the idea of Jesus Christ – God who became flesh, who emptied Himself into the creation, who spoke the words that He spoke, who died on the Cross to restore mankind to his original nature and thus to Paradise – is so powerful in itself that the tales and teachings of Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Mohammed and the Hindu deities pale in comparison.

    “But if Christ is much greater as to be in a class by Himself, why is the religion based on Him in such a sorry condition? Why is it so externalized, materialistic and worldly? Surely, we thought, there must be more to Christ than that.

    “But it was more than just the idea of Christ that was at work in our souls. We believe that Christ Himself was at work in them. Having heard the revelation of Christ, we had been – whether consciously or unconsciously – responsible for it, and He helped us to fulfill that responsibility. He helped us come to Him.

    “And so our search in Eastern and indigenous American religions led us to the threshold of the Eastern Orthodox Church – the most ancient and traditional of all the Christian bodies. In all ancient religions, the direct transmission of wisdom from teacher to disciple is of vital importance. Orthodoxy has that transmission all the way back to Christ Himself: an unbroken historical line of development with no fundamental shift in viewpoint such as happened in the West after the Schism of 1054.

    “In Orthodoxy – where it has been transmitted in its authentic form and has not become diluted by worldliness – we have found clear guidance on acquiring stillness, overcoming the passions, dealing with thoughts, and cultivating the virtues. We have found precise teachings on spiritual deception which guide us more safely and surely on the path to communion with God. Most important of all, we have found the Undistorted Image of Christ which we had missed in other churches. In Him, Whom the Akathis hymn calls “The Sunrise of the East,” we have found the Beginning and End of our soul’s desire, and the door to eternal life.

    “In the profound mystical and contemplative tradition of the Christian East – which centers first of all on the ancient Jesus Prayer – we are able to go beyond the realizations we had before. We follow the way to perfect communion with our Creator Christ, Who is the Incarnation of the Logos of the Greeks, the Tao of the Chinese, and the Wakan Tanka of the Native Americans.

    “In Christ is the fulfillment of the expectation of the ancients: of Lao Tzu, Confucius, the Buddha, Zoroaster, Socrates, Plato, the Vedic writers and the Native American sages. Christ does not abolish everything that came before Him; instead, He brings it to fulfillment by disintegrating the false and upholding the true in the Light of His ultimate revelation. The truths in all ancient religions and philosophies shine forth in this Light, but they are not this Light, nor are they equal to it.

    “If seen with the eyes of faith, they bear witness to the Light of revelation, just as do the souls of today’s seekers when, through the window of Eastern and Native American religious traditions, they behold the Undistorted Image of Christ shining with all His brilliance in the Eastern Orthodox Church.”

  150. Fr. Joseph December 5, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

    Serpentseed,

    Please bear in mind that none of us here on RZN are ‘God’ and none of us are ‘Omniscient’. And none of us are ‘Mind Readers’.

    We Christians ARE very capable of care and compassion - but you have to be mindful that if one comes into another’s “neighborhood”, so to speak, and being to throw ROCKS at the very precious WINDOWS in people’s houses of that neighborhood, they might very well turn a wee bit ‘hostile’ and exhibit a wee bit ‘force’ in DEFENDING their property and territory.

    It would been a GREAT HELP to all of us here on RZN had you simply introduced yourself as having a ‘Heavy Heart’ on account of the EVILS that have befallen YOUR household - we would have RALLIED to your assistance with care and compassion and companionship.

    With THAT having been said, we ALL are currently living in a FRACTURED WORLD wherein the ‘Big Picture’ of what our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST desires for one and all of us has been SMASHED TO BITS - and we of His Church are given the Arduous Task of trying to PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER so that the Divine Pristine Picture of what our All-good God and Creator has Saved and desires Redeemed might be re-Realized for our ENTIRE Human Race.

    So all of us here on RZN are very much like trying to put back together a Milton Bradley 10,000 piece JIG SAW PUZZLE.

    And while we are burdened with the simple task of trying to SORT THROUGH this huge pile of pieces in order to find the ‘Border Pieces’, we have all manner of other people throughout the World, in doing their EVIL things to and against one another, are CONSTANTLY dumping more USELESS pieces of the Jig Saw Puzzle into our laps with every day’s current events from all across our World.

    And I’ve tried, tried and tried AGAIN to tell people - including yourself - that I’ve managed TO FIND a ‘Corner Piece’ which will TIE TOGETHER all of the ‘Border Pieces’ in order to get on the Christian Church’s BUSINESS of Restoring and Redeeming this World of ours.

    That ‘Corner Piece’ happens to be the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to our Lord and Savior’s Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart!

    If YOU don’t like these EVILS these EVIL ONES have brought down upon YOUR family - then you have found GOOD COMPANY here on RZN.

    Just DON’T thrown ROCKS at the Valuable Windows we Christians here on RZN have, okay?

    - Fr. Joseph

  151. miranda December 5, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

    Thanks so much for your heavy research and hard work done to tell us the truth about Alex Jones’s relationships with the Jewish medis, brother. You are so inspiring.

  152. Traditional Catholic December 5, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

    For all those Traditional Catholic RZN readers, make sure you go to the Latin Tridentine Mass tomorrow if its available in your area. Sunday is the Lord’s Day, and we must honor Him by going to Church. Here is a list of all the Church’s offering the Traditional Mass:

    http://www.ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#Pennsylvania

    If you do not have the Latin Mass in your area, make sure you still get to the ordinary Mass in your neighborhood.

    God Bless You All

  153. The Prodigal Son December 5, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

    Serpentseed,

    You said, “God of the Bible resurected his Son while my kindred souls remain dust.”…

    Jesus the Christ was fully God, but he was also fully Man at the same time.

    His disciples declared Him to be the Son of God, which indeed He is, but many times He referred to Himself as the Son of Man.

    The Son of God is the Word of God and He is eternal. He existed before the heavens and the earth.

    As the Word of God, the Son made the light. There was light before the sun was even created !

    So God resurrected the Son of Man, and defeated death. All those in Christ do not die, they merely go to sleep.

    At the resurrection, we will rise again !

    Jesus Christ was resurrected that we may know that God has sent his Son to walk among us…

    And that if we follow His words and believe in Him and become a part of His Church, we too will be resurrected from the dead and have life everlasting.

    Did your loved ones believe that Jesus was the Saviour of the world ?

    Do you have hope in seeing them again ?

  154. Bob December 5, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

    if Jones is being used by the Zionists, what is their objective?

    To destroy their very own? Or is the NWO Jones speaks of different that the Zionist NWO?

    If you know please write me at yhiiiiiiii@yahoo.com

  155. Michael K. December 6, 2009 @ 12:03 am

    Dear KathJuliane,

    That piece by the Orthodox monks was simply brilliant. I read it several times and it hits home. God bless you. And, by the way, please don’t be stubborn about learning the truth about the MMS, it can do more for your immune system than a team of doctors. It is vitally important to understand that this stuff will reverse heavy metal poisoning and destroy cancer cells on contact.

    Read Jim Humble’s book at miraclemineral.org and see how he accidentally discovered that this simple mineral effectively cured malaria in the jungles of Guiana, and how this was corroborated with real laboratory tests.

    This is not BS, but true as the day is long and there are powerful forces that would like to see Jim Humble horizontalized, and these miraculous minerals forgotten about for good. You can buy 400 doses for $25.00! If you really want to fight back against these medical monsters, research MMS, experiment with it and let others know what results it has proven in you!

    Serpentseed, this is for you too. MMS might have saved the lives of your loved ones. Don’t get angry at God now. He is answering our prayers by using an old man who decided that he cared more about making people well than making money or about his own life. Jim Humble is truly a Christian in his heart, although he still walks the path of the Eastern mystic as once did the Orthodox monks written of above.

    This isn’t a multi-vitamin here, MMS doesn’t just help you feel better, it DESTROYS PATHOGENS quickly and leaves no toxic residue behind, other than dead pathogens. It neutralizes poisons, and has cured rattlesnake bite. If you need things foreign to your body destroyed, removed and neutralized, try experimenting with this mineral supplement. I make no money for saying this, and I’m painting a big bullseye on me, too.

    Here’s a little story about how THEY get even with people who oppose them. I have many patriot friends who have spent years learning the vagaries of the Uniform Commercial Code (the only Law in this Land recognized by our impostor corporate admiralty courts). With this they have successfully challenged the unlawful income tax and WON. However, they are low key and don’t proselytize how to do it.

    One fellow, however, taught the hidden knowledge to a different man who used it in court, upsetting the federal judge, who dismissed the case “as a matter of National Security”. Not long after, this man whose case was dismissed was raided by federal enforcers at 4:00 AM (their usual time). They had a warrant to arrest him for ‘possession of child pornography’.

    They seized his computer and arrested him. You see, while he slept that night, SOMEBODY e-mailed him child pornography, SOMEBODY who operated out of the Darkweb, and could not be backtracked. Yes SOMEHOW, the feds discovered this fact, got a warrant, and arrested him in a little under five hours. Now he is guilty until proven innocent of one of the most heinous and socially prejudicial crimes possible. You see?

    So when I go out on a limb to tell you all about the MMS, I grasp the gravity of what is involved and I expect you to open your minds a little and give it some due consideration, do a little research and try experimenting with it, especially if you have something ‘incurable’ or for which the treatment is as bad as the affliction, such as Lyme’s disease, cancer, autoimmune disorder, fibromyalgia, Gulf War Vet’s disease or heavy metals poisoning.

    Also, the stuff makes drinking water that comes from streams potable without tasting bad, but the water should not be chemically contaminated, just full of the usual giardia, cholera and liver flukes, like you might find anywhere human and animals live upstream. In a survival situation, this will mean the difference between life and death, so even if only for this reason you should consider having some MMS.

  156. the Brainy Zek December 6, 2009 @ 12:19 am

    To: The Prodigal Son

    I take serious exception to your Blasphemy of the Naturei Karta Jews!

    For basics let us consider what our Lord said in Rev 2:9 and again in Rev 3:9 about Torah worshipping Jews and Pharisee Jews. He said beware of those who call themselves Jews but are not. They are the synagogue of satan! Apparently Torah worshipping Jews had a moral fibre worthy of consideration. But the Pharisees did NOT! They murdered His body and have murdered his image ever since!

    You are also wrong about them not going to Israhell. They have a vocal contingent in Jerusalem today.

    I go to RZN website at least twenty times a week primarily for Bro Nate’s Beautifully researched testimony but also for the testimony of some marvelous commentators. I go to the Naturei Karta website a couple of times a week.

    Naturei has one admirable trait with Bro Nate! In the Ukraine, in London, in New York City and upstate New York they take to the streets with sensational signs and comments! When President Mamoud Ahamadinejad came to the United States and the sleazy sheenie Zionist Jews in American government and at the United Nations walked out before his speech the Naturei Karta Jews were across the street with signs and loudspeakers thanking the President of Iran for the kind treatment afforded 30,000 Jews in Iran.

    You can go to their website right now and see see Naturei Jews burning and desecrating the flag of Israhell out in the open streets of London and New York. I admire that kind of spunk in the world of Zion today!

    They ask for no government money and are as anti-war as I am! They are wrong about our Lord but so are some other religions. I am a constitutionalist American and believe in freedom of religion. Naturei Karta Jews are not my enemy but are merely their own worst enemy!

    To speak of Naturei Karta Jews in class with Zionist Jews is like comparing night to day! Khazar Zionist Jews have as much relationship to Moses or Jacob as a puppy dog on a polished chrome chain attached to a grassy knoll!

    Murderous Zionist Jews of America and Israhell are the lowest echelon of SCUM on planet earth!!

  157. The Prodigal Son December 6, 2009 @ 4:10 am

    To the Brainy Zek,

    I’m sorry sir but you’re wrong… at least about a couple of things.

    Firstly, you said, “For basics let us consider what our Lord said in Rev 2:9 and again in Rev 3:9 about Torah worshipping Jews and Pharisee Jews.”

    Jesus did speak about fake Jews (Edomites?) in Rev. 2:9, 3:9… but He says nothing of ‘Torah worshipping Jews’.

    Then you said, “Apparently Torah worshipping Jews had a moral fibre worthy of consideration.”…

    Where did you draw this conclusion from ?

    The book of Hebrews records a passage from Jeremiah…

    “Behold the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah -
    Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.”

    Hebrews 8:13 says the old covenant of the law is obsolete.

    “Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
    Therfore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
    - Romans 3:19, 20

    Don’t get me wrong - I’ve been where you are…

    I fell for that ‘Torah True’ nonsense too !

    I (naively) thought that ‘Torah True’ meant that these ‘Jews’ did not follow the Talmud… but only the Old Testament (the written Torah).

    Boy, was I wrong !

    A closer reading of the material on their website will show that when they say ‘Torah’ - they really mean ‘TALMUD’ !

    See, what I didn’t know was that they call the Talmud: ‘The Oral Torah’ ! And the ‘oral torah’ carries more authority ! When the two seem to disagree, the ‘rabbis’ in the Talmud win every time !

    As a matter of fact, according to the ‘rabbis’, God Himself studies the Talmud three times a day !

    So when they call themselves ‘Torah True’, what they really mean is: ‘TALMUD TRUE’ !

    Secondly, you seem to be under the impression that none of the Naturei Karta TALMUD TRUE ‘Jews’ are from the Askenazi Khazar ranks…

    That they are REAL ‘Jews’… Do you honestly think that these anti-Christs are descendants of the tribe of Judah ? Or are they too ‘those who SAY they are JUDAHITES, but are not’ ?

    You seem to have an aversion to Pharisees… that’s good ! Jesus warned us to beware the leaven of the Pharisees.

    But what is their ‘leaven’ ? Surely it is the Talmud !

    The ‘rabbis’ will tell you - the Talmud is the written version of what were known in Christ’s time as ‘the traditions of men’; the ‘oral law.’

    Therefore, would it suprise you to learn that your beloved Naturei Karta ‘rabbis’ are nothing other than modern day anti-Christ Pharisees ?

    Because that’s what they are !

    And their ‘holiest’ book says that Jesus is in hell in a pit of boiling excrement, and that the Virgin Mary was a whore !

    But hey, if you like that kind of company…

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    KathJuliane,

    Did you see my question for you above about bishops in the Church ?

    Thanks

  158. katman December 6, 2009 @ 9:48 am

    What is the objective? Come on Bob. Think about it.

    Why do you think this man, this silly man, is able to get on various Jewish controlled media and spew his nonsense? Now true, a lot of what he says is true. But so what? When you sprinkle a few big lies in with truth, it makes the whole discussion moot.

    This is what Alexander Bullhorn Jones does on a daily basis. He patterns himself after Rush Limbaugh. Heck even the owner of GCN has stated that he was going to make “Mookie” the Rush Limbaugh of patriot talk. And so it has happened. Mookie may have started out with the best of intentions but somewhere along the lines, he decided that making money off of us, was something that was very important to himself.

    Someone said one time, to never trust anyone. I am sorry but that is the way we have to be, at least for now. When I first woke up, I went looking for someone to listen to that was not the usual neocon stuff that I had been listening to. I gravitated to Mookie for a few months, but it grew tiresome listening to his tirades, day in and day out, and him offering no hope and no solution and never telling me just exactly who was doing what?

    This caused me to leave his listenership and go elsewhere. I am sure there are many like this. Jones tells people the news, that is all he does. He never talks about Israel or if he does it is in passing. He lies about what is really going on. When he does this, one would have to ask why does he do this? Who knows?

    You can be sure though, there is something mentally wrong with him. I forget what it is called, but he has to be the center of attention etc. I mean look what he did to Jack Blood (which is another sordid story in and of itself).

    Frankly I don’t trust anyone who is in the patriot business as I call it, fulltime. I want them to have their own jobs and their own lives outside of this mess. Then they can get on the radio and talk to me. If they are living off of patriot radio stuff, then they are in this for the money they can get off of me and other listeners and I am sorry, but that just doesn’t cut it for me.

    Take for instance the 250,000 dollar money bombs that Mookie has undertaken the last two years. or how some idiot on ebay bought some stupid megaphone for 50,000 dollars. It all makes no sense. Then when you start talking about it, the Jones sycophants start whining about their fearless leader.

    If there is one thing I know it is this. In this business if you are not growing and learning, then you are dying. If you listen to Alex Jones and it is enough, then you are dead to patriotism and you are dead to yourself. There is no doubt about that.

  159. katman December 6, 2009 @ 9:54 am

    Hey Michael K,

    If you want to know what medicine is all about just turn on CNBC on a daily basis and watch them as they discuss drug companies and the drugs they are trying to make money on.

    Medicine is all about money. Heck, they don’t even make doctors take the hippocratic oath anymore. Cures? They don’t want cures. They want money. It’s all about the cash. You ask a doctor about alternatives and they look at you like you are crazy….and so it goes..

  160. Bob December 6, 2009 @ 10:08 am

    Last night I was thinking and I think God gave me the answer.

    I have had a copy of and have read the protocols for about the last eighteen years. I have studied the Bible for the last 36 years.

    In fact, I have commented on prisonplanet.com many months ago, how the Zionists would use the Masons, as a front so that they would be attacked while the Jews would keep well hidden. And It has been obvious to me that Alex has excluded these ones from his exposure of corruption. I have left many comments on his websites trying to enlighten, often and thoroughly.

    He thinks he’s gonna beat modern day corruption and return the world to what??? That is insane and shows his immaturity.

    The clock cannot be turned back. And it would take alot more than escaping the plans of the Bilderburgs or whatever. Corruption is too ingrained in every facet of society.

    Only Jesus Christ can and WILL do this.

    Sometimes Alex just comes off as a fat little kid who cries and yells but has no father to dicipline him. HE DOESNT KNOW what he needs to know, which is more than just facts.
    But he is also about the most informative and entertaining news source out there, I believe.

    Now here is what I believe. I believe the Jews are alot higher and closer to Satan that the Belderburgs, etc. They know that the NWO must suffer a sword stroke before it can actually come to life, because Satan knows this and has shared this knowedge with his “chosen”.
    Alex actually is making a big difference. And He isnt the same as Limbaugh and others. He is not right or left as they say. And he is alot more intelligent.

    And I don’t agree with you. He doesn’t need to be mainsteam. He is number one on the internet, and the knowledge just multiplies and spreads, which is why the swine flu vaccine was a failure. EVERYBODY NOW KNOWS.

    Every college kid and anyone who thinks they are hip and in the know.

    When 95 percent of the people know that 5 percent wants to murder them, it just aint gonna happen. Which is why Alex Jones has been and IS successful.

    Revelation 17: 10-14 spells out how the Zionist NWO actually comes to life and their war with Jesus Christ, King of Kings. It happens after the NWO suffers a blow, a sword stroke, but then comes back to life for, as you mentioned , 42 months, a time, times and a half of a time. 3 and 1/2 years.

    The earth will not be destroyed. Then Satan would have won something. No, God made the earth to be inhabited like the garden of Eden…. from sea to sea and from the rivers to the ends of the earth. This is what the Kingdom of God will do and accomplish. It was his purpose from the very beginning and no one, angel or man can change that. And at the end of the seventh day, God will look and say…It is good.

    Do you see how wonderful and marvelous He really is? And all those in the tombs shall hear his voice and come out. And there shall be no more death, nor pain. The evil beast shalls cease out of the land and my people will dwell securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.

    Do you know these Scriptures? There will be no more curse. I create a new heavens and a new earth. Behold, I make all things new. The lion will lie down with the lamb. They willl do no harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain, for THE EARTH shall be filled with the knowledge of YHVH as the waters cover the very sea. Rejoice and be glad in what I am creating!

    There are more than two places. In my fathers house are many mansions or abodes. And I have other sheep which are not of this fold. These also I must bring. And they will be one fold with one Shephard. But each in his own rank. Some kings and priests. Very few, a little flock who reign with him.

    And their subjects, too numerous to count, as the sands of the sea. But everything will be done and judged decently and in order.

    But eventually there will be only two outcomes. Everlasting life and everlasting destruction. But we have one Judge. And we all must be judged by him. He will rule with a rod of iron. He will set all matters straight and bring the hidden things to light, and seek out and destroy all wickedness ’til he finds no more.

    Lets-watch.com

  161. Hello December 6, 2009 @ 10:32 am

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  162. Eternal Love December 6, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

    I do not understand why people continue to listen and watch this man broadcasting. It is obvious that he is not a sincere and honest American who wants to help his nation and his people. I avoid watching his profane and rude broadcastings…..

    I think people should read and listen to persons like our Brother, Mark Glenn, ( thanks for the wonderful interview and many more to come), and some other honest and devoted to the Truth Souls.

    “I think it might be a good idea for you to come down to Austin Texas and stand in front of Alex Jone’s GCN studios and say what needs to be said. ”

    And the idea our Brother going to Austin, Texas is really good. Yes, I believe we have people from the Holy Chain of Love who will help our Brother to go there. The Truth versus lies in Texas - sounds inspiring.

    Several days ago December 1st I sent my Christmas surprise package to our Brother. Inside I put something interesting to serve him in his Street Evangelism. It was for our younger kids 2-8yrs. We have to start to work with our little ones earlier in life and to teach them how to be part of our Holy Chain Of Love. I myself had been taught this since I was very young…

    But when I was ready to send it GOD gave me another, second idea, on how that small present could be used. I will write soon to our Brother more details because he will be very surprised when he gets the package, I could imagine LOL.

    Some clue about the present you could get from the message: “And when the lion lies down with the lamb, truly, you shall count yourselves free, men and women of God and children of the Living Christ.”

    Also, I will be sending the picture of the present to our Brother, so our Brother, (when he gets the package) could post it here for our people to see it. We are entering soon in very spiritual decade 2010. The next 10 yrs. 2010 - 2019 are going to be difficult and the same time blessed years!!!

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign and join our Holy Chain of Love to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

  163. ProtestingAnt December 6, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

    I have been reading your stuff now for almost a year.

    I’m a truck driver here in Canada and I listen(ed) to Sirius satellite radio to help the hours and miles go by.

    The bias of the Zionists on that thing is so obvious it makes me want to throw it out the window!

    The other day I tuned into The Roaddog 147. This channel is supposed to be a middle of the road place. No religion or politics, at least not obvious anyway.

    Well, the cover slipped off for a minute when, on the truckers channel of all places, I heard an ad promoting “the official lighting of the White House Menorah”!

    I lost my composure and screamed at the thing, then turned it off. If it was my truck and radio, I would be canceling the thing now.

    The Zionist bias is soooo obvious on Sirius and I am so tired of it. I figured it was owned by a Zionist and now I know for sure.

    I was saved by the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 20 years ago and swallowed “the party line” hook line and sinker for most of that time.

    I have been awakened to the real deal now and there is no turning back, no turning back.

    Thank you for your professional journalist style and your dedication to the truth.

    May God bless and protect you,

  164. the Brainy Zek December 6, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

    The prodigal son:

    I am very appreciate of your response! We have one basic disagreement! That is the Talmud and the Torah. The website shows me no Talmud worship.

    I am honest with you! My interpretation of Rev.2:9 and 3:9 about decent Jews and HORRIBLE Pharisees was my own simple logic. I am 79 and have been instructed since childhood that the Torah and Old Testament Christianity had a lot in common.

    I know what you say about the Talmud is true. It is the bible of Israhell and is thru and thru pure filth. Filth about Jesus! Filth about the Virgin Mary! Filth about having sex with a three year old girl! Filth about telling Zonist Jews they are better than all others (cattle goyim).

    I have even read dissertations by Naturei Karta rabbis saying that when they get to heaven they will ask God to admit all good men to heaven and not just the Naturei Jews who qualify.

    Another reason I picked up on the website was I never touched a computer until I was 76. If the mainstream Zionist controlled let me live 76 years with with a blackout on Naturei Karta they must have been worth looking into.

    Another thing they do persistently is preach that orthodox Judaism is NEVER permitted the creation of ANY nation statee much less one like MURDEROUS israhell!

    Sir, I am a lifetime Christian American! If you can show me that Naturei Karta Jews teach and preach the filthy talmud I will drop my perusal of the site immediately!

    Again thanks for your prompt and I certainly acknowledge your integrity!

  165. serpentseed December 6, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

    Thank you to those who felt compelled to respond to me directly. I have found in my short time here on Earth that dragging evil out of the shadows and into the light of day for all to see is the best way to get people to open up and speak candidly.

    I will continue to state my thoughts as best I can in a sincere and open way, I am not a good dancer and my vocabulary is not the greatest either. However, the words I do know will never be minced.

    One of the responses brought tears to my eyes, it was a cleansing moment of release, release of hatred I have been accumulating over the years. Hatred towards the deceptions being promoted in churches across this once great Christian Nation. They were tears of joy and hate as the memories of my lost family members also flooded my mind. Thank you.

    Now, back to my rock-throwing. Anybody care to take a stab at the Cain question? Who was he afraid of? And what was the mark? Did he actually appear serpent-like and God changed his appearance, or was he maybe a different color? I really enjoy reading the opinions of people on this board, so please, everybody give your opinion.

    The more I read the Old Testament the more confused I become. I swear the God of the OT is a different “lesser god” from the God of the New Testament.

    Again, thank you all.

  166. kc December 6, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

    Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted.

    The Holy Fathers of the Church teach us to ask of the Lord the gift of tears, because without tears there can be no real repentance and cleansing of the soul. Penitential tears are a kind of second baptism that washes away every sin from a man’s soul.

    For much as after a violent burst of rain, says Saint John Chrysostom, there is a clear open sky; so likewise when tears are pouring down, a calm arises, and serenity, and the darkness that ensues on our sins quite disappears (Homily 6 on the Gospel according to Matthew).

    Mourning over sins, writes Saint Demetrius of Rostov, washes the soul, whitens every darkening, cleanses the conscience, enlightens the mind, loosens sinful bonds, and expiates the handwriting of iniquities.

    Those who sorrow over their fallen condition and the sinful world will rejoice in the future age, according to the Savior’s word: Verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy (John 16:20).

    Those who mourn in this life will rejoice in eternal life, for genuine, blessed joy–consolation is given only in the eternal abodes in God’s Kingdom, for there, as it is said in the Revelation of John the Theologian, God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away (Revelation 21:4).

  167. KathJuliane December 6, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

    Greetings in the Lord, Prodigal Son,

    Have worked out something of an answer for you about the bishops in the NT, “having to be married, Biblical - legally.” Nope. The Western world-view along the Protestant-Catholic axis is a very complicated history of actions, reactions and abreactions concerning clerical celibacy, swinging like a pendulum in several directions.

    And, in Evangelical culture which eschews the ordained priesthood of altogether (we don’t want “priests”, just elders and bishops) because it sounds more democratic, “priest” comes from the Gk. “presbyter” - elder, and all of us want to be overseers or bishops of our own little domains, because “pastor” is just a bit pedestrian. What a great title of humility to be a simple pastor - someone who vigilently tends to the flock and pasture defending it from wolves, and assistants of the head Shepherd. Pastor Ted and Pastor Tex are my Biblical guys, anytime.

    In the NT, it is a description of a most of all moral qualification for office of bishop as the apostolic office in the early Apostolic Church, so historical situation and context counts. Some of the Apostles were married, and some weren’t. Some of the bishops were married, and some weren’t, choosing ascetical celibacy – “eunuchs for the sake of heaven” for spiritual reasons.

    After the Apostles, the general tendency was towards the celibate bishops (and the “norm”, especially for the common people everywhere was still virginity before marriage, and it was especially true among the Christians of the circumcision raised as they were in Semitic culture) who did not have the distractions of family as their responsibilties grew larger quite quickly.

    Paul throughout all of the churches with their variety of people, was dealing with several legal, civil and social, cultural conditions among Jews and Gentiles: Roman civil law concerning monogamous marriage (full equal wife with civil property inheritance rights) or concubinage (a legal second class wife of inferior caste with lesser or no rights based on long-term cohabitation, and not a “whore”), and which permitted easy divorces.

    Then various Greek city-states and walled towns throughout the Mid East and Mediterranean region had their own laws as well, distinct from Roman civil law.

    So, along with the Roman tendency towards serial marriages by divorces especially for dynastic ambition, it was on the order of, if an otherwise qualified man of one caste was living in otherwise virtuous concubinage, then he had to give up the legal aristocratic caste thing and make her his full wife in the eyes of the Church, and not Roman civil law which did not grant inheritance and property rights to the lower caste wife.

    So Paul, our good Pharisee of Pharisees, the Benjaminite under privileged citizenship rights was a citizen of Tarsus AND a Roman citizen AND a diaspora Israelite citizen of the kingdom polity of Judea under an imperial Roman caretaker government

    But most of all Paul had to contend with among the Jewish converts in the various churches, is that Jews of the Pharisee kind under Rabbinic “traditions of men” were permitted to give their wives a bill of divorce for “unseemliness”, which originally meant, as our Lord said, adultery.

    Adultery then did not necessarily mean just fornication and immorality, but specifically any of the forbidden incestuous marriage relationships outlined in the Mosaic Code, as John the Baptist preached against, or any situation where the parties were not free to marry each other, i.e., someone was formally betrothed (considered legal marriage though unconsummated) or fully married.

    Which explains the situation Joseph was in when he found Mary with Child – in his tenderheartedness, but not yet understanding the miracle until his dream, rather than see Mary publicly stoned as an adulteress for the perceived offense against the betrothal, he was figuring out how to quietly put her away.

    Remarkably, there was a certain mercy towards simple fornication between say two in-love teenagers who oopsied – betroth and marry them quick and the fathers of each would work it all out. Men who deflowered a virgin were required to marry her under Mosaic law and pay her restitution, and to restore her family honor with a generous embellishment of the bride price to the woman’s family as was agreed upon by both fathers. (Sounds mercenary, but it actually wasn’t. The tribal marriage customs were rather elaborate and have their own logic.)

    Thanks to the Pharisee Rabbis and their talent for finding loopholes and casuistry, eventually “unseemliness” came to mean childlessness (Joachim, father of Mary, and Zecharias, father of John the Baptist, were both under great social pressure to divorce their wives for childlessness, but each man chose to love and keep their childless wives into their sunset years), or any near infinite number of other things that the husband, especially within the Pharisee Rabbinic culture, found displeasing, ie, such as the wife getting long in the tooth and losing her beauty, or burning the toast, or even lack of proper reverence at all times towards her lord and master, or any minute annoyance.

    Men could hand their wives a bill of divorce on a whim without going to any courts, while a wife would have to petition the court to get a divorce.

    “Widows” are mentioned everywhere in the NT. Basically a widow then was a wife who was abandoned by her husband either by his death or by divorce. Many adhered to the one-wife principle and never remarried.

    Honorable widows, married only once in their lives, like the prophetess Anna of Asher chose to live the celibate and pious life at the Temple, essentially nuns, comparable in esteem to the Temple virgins, like our dear Virgin Mary. There was always “women’s work” such as spinning, weaving, dyeing and making the temple vestments and linens, embroidery works, some were copy scribes and calligraphers, all of which could be done only with “holy hands” on the holy ground of the temple compound. Oh, and temple compound housecleaning apart from the temple proper throughout the cloisters, too. A woman’s work is never done.

    The Temple women also oversaw the Court of the Women during liturgies, and also served as female attendants and modesty shields during the priest’s inspections for ritual cleanliness, and diagnoses of maladies as physicians, as he could not actually touch a woman himself. The temple women also oversaw the ritual baths of the women coming to Temple.

    The NT Church had deaconesses (an inactive order in Orthodox Tradition which was functionally long taken over by nuns, or else by deacons’ and priests’ wives in parishes) for the very purpose of physically immersing the girls and women during the liturgical baptismal rites for the very same reason (which like the mikvah baths were usually in the nude or very light linen gown that when wet left nothing to the imagination) so that a a deacon (who then could baptize but not chrismate), priest or bishop would not touch a female not his own wife or child.

    Divorce among the most “pious” Pharisee Rabbinic Jews was an epidemic in NT times. Any wonder why our Lord Jesus was a bit terse? So Paul could certainly have ambitious, morally bankrupt Pharisee (”Purists”) male Jews who were serial divorcers, which would disqualify them from the bishopric.

    Another dirty little Talmudic secret that never comes up in the over-emphasis on our “shared Judeo-Christian values” (we laugh - a term that did not come into highly popular usage until after 1948, and was only coined in 1899 in a much different scholarly context, but interestingly covering the same span as the rise of Zionism among gullible Christians and Jewish-funded Scofieldism) is that Jews are allowed in Talmudism to be polygamists, despite the fact that the Law of Moses clearly forbids this.

    In their usual sophistry and skills to invert the law into something else, they appeal to the past practices of the pre-Mosaic Patriarchs, not that they pay any attention to the fact that polygamy was against the Adamic norm, and did not turn out all that happy anywhere in the OT.

    In fact, the ‘Leverite’ marriage has been Rabbinically resurrected in “the land”, where brothers of slain IDF soldiers can “raise up seed” for the dead husband, if the couple were childless. Yes, shared “Judeo-Christian” values.

    The only times in history when Jews haven’t been allowed to be open polygamists is when they have lived in Christian societies that outlaw polygamy, becoming “Europeanized”. The Christian West throws up its appalled hands that the Muslim Sharia permits up to four wives, as long as the man can afford them.

    Hey, under Rabbinic Talmudic polygamy, a Jew can marry as many women as he can afford, with one being the first-wife and the others second-class wives or concubines. Just because some law in Oral Torah isn’t used, that just means its inactive, not outlawed, unless specifically repealed.

    Jgalindes once said about the South American aristocracy that some of them had “one foot in Judea”.

    When the Spanish and Portuguese new-Christian converso families came to the new world (some of which were truly devout Catholics), the Rabbinically trained crypto-Jews and Judaizing Christians among them took on native women as concubines, converting them into crypto-Judaism, and raising the kids as Jews with a second class tribal status.

    These new world aristocrats would then send their polygamous offspring back to Europe or the Mid East to synagogues outside of Spain or Portugal to get further instruction in Judaism, work out business ties, then return to New Spain or New Portugal.

    In Orthodoxy today, a bishop, as the “icon of Christ” (Jesus was of course celibate) as “head of the bride-Church” has to be a celibate after ordination so that his full attention can be on the church flocks within his diocese or metropolis, or local Church in the case of Archbishops and Patriarchs, because the weight of the Church is on his shoulders in liturgical, spiritual and disciplinary responsibilities. So a bishop is almost always ordained from the monastic order or the celibate pastoral priests, but not exclusively so.

    An Orthodox priest can be married, its even preferred that he is married for parish work, as long as it was prior to his ordination. Marriage afterwards is prohibited, and so he must then remain celibate as a pastoral priest. I have met several who knew for themselves as very young children that they wanted to become celibate pastoral priests because God called them to it.

    However, there are also cases of bishops who lived highly ascetical lives in the world, who are widowers, who were married priests, but lost their wives, who were then ordained as bishops, such as St. Innocent of Alaska.

  168. The Prodigal Son December 6, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

    To The Brainy Zek,

    Thank you sir for your response. I am honored to converse with you and I’m glad you took no offence to my response.

    As I said, I know how you feel because I thought the same as you not long ago…

    It really is a complex subject - which is how they keep us confused. However, the ‘Learned Elders of Zion’ never anticipated the advent of the internet !

    I don’t think they counted on righteous individuals like our dear Brother Nathanael rising from within the depths of ‘Jewry’ either…

    Thanks to God for all these things ! The love of the truth comes by the grace of God, and leads to true freedom in Christ because Christ IS the truth.

    Here, from the website of ‘Jews Against Zionism’: (incidentally, there is a specific section at the site for ‘Scripture’, but it is only accessable after answering ‘passkey’ questions relating to Judaism.)

    How do true Torah Jews view the Talmud?

    Michael R.:
    Dear Rabbi,

    I would like to know how true torah jews view the talmud. It seems to me that God gave jews the torah(the first five books of the bible). Where exactly did the talmud come from? How does it factor in judaism? Are there two different camps, those who go by the torah and those who go by the talmud? Do some go by both? I may be mistaken but from my little research it seems that the talmud is more secular and perhaps where the zionist base their views and the torah is of true judaism. Is this correct? Trying to figure this out has been a bit confusing.
    Thank you and God bless!

    Michael

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    (Reply)

    Dear Michael,

    When G-d gave us the Torah, He also gave us an explanation of its laws, to be transmitted orally from generation to generation. For example, the Torah prohibits work on the Sabbath, but does not say exactly what “work” means. G-d explained to Moses orally that it means carrying objects in the street, lighting fires, tying knots, slaughtering animals and so on. The Torah says to take the fruit of the goodly trees on Succoth, but does not say which fruit. Oral tradition explains that it is the ethrog or citron. If you think about it, most of the laws in the Torah are impossible to observe without more explanation.

    These explanations were passed down from teacher to student for about 1500 years, until around the year 200 of the common era. At that time the Sages became afraid that the laws would be forgotten, and they decided to write them down. This written work was called the Mishnah, and is the backbone of the Talmud. Even this Mishnah was written in a concise style and left much room for oral explanation, which went on being passed down for another 300 years. At that time it was written down, again out of fear of being forgotten, as the Talmud. All of Jewish law today is based on the Talmud, and is kept by all observant Jews. There have been breakoff sects in history - once in about 300 BCE and another in about 700 CE - who rejected the orally transmitted laws. But they are almost non-existent today.

    Secular, non-observant Jews today are not basing themselves on any Jewish text. They have simply rejected the Divine origin of the Torah and Talmud alike. The Zionist movement, which strove to replace the ancient Jewish messianic hope with a political state, was founded by these secularist Jews.

    Thank you for your interest and I hope this answers your question.

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    There’s more there too, but that’s enough I’m sure…

    Love in Christ,
    Joshua

    Jacob Dershowitz at Jews Against Zionism

  169. miranda December 6, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

    Re the insinuations against Adam Austin, a commentator or two here made, Adam is a proud and beautiful warrior against the Jews, and for real oath takers, and Eric Hufschmid was unjustified in his retorts against Mr. Austin. Adam did respond at www.subvertednation.org, where an audio of his phone conversation with Eric can be found. Thanks.

  170. The Prodigal Son December 6, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

    (Oops ! I put my signature in before the ‘rabbi’s’ name… it should be above my name obviously.)

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    Dear KathJuliane,

    Thank you so much !

    I’m beginning to think that it’s hopeless trying to talk to some of these ‘Sola Scriptura’ evangelical types…

    They all say they hold the Bible itself as the highest authority… but everyone of them interprets the Scriptures in a different way !

    Here’s praying that you KathJuliane, Br. Nathanael and everyone here has a Merry CHRISTmas this year!

    Christ is born !

  171. Fiery sword December 7, 2009 @ 12:49 am

    Serpentseed: You have legitimate questions.

    Elohyim: the Supreme Lord and His angels (thus the plural). Also be aware “god” can also refer to “magistrates, mighty, rulers”, both in the Old and New Testaments. I. e., a powerful person(s) can be referred to as “god(s)” (lower case).

    As far as what is called the “Trinity”: think of the Lord as holding multiple offices. Hence, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is all three as one, but they are different forms of Him. In the same manner that you can be a son, father, uncle, employee, etc., at the same time.

    In the Garden, Gen 3:22, The Lord was speaking to His angels. The Lord, and they with Him, knew good from evil. The man (Adam) had become like them in that way.

    There were indeed other humans on the earth at the time of Adam and Eve. The assumption is made that only Adam and Eve were made. It does not say that. The footprints are likely not frauds. The earth was inhabited before the creation account in Genesis.

    Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. (Complete thought). It doesn’t say how long ago the “beginning” was. What happened then?
    Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; (Erets hayah tohu va bohu). Literal translation: The earth became laid to waste, an indistinguishable ruin. (I’d not be surprised if Mars wasn’t probably involved as well, though it isn’t specifically written of, as the Bible’s writings mostly concern the earth.)

    Gen 1:2 (continued) and darkness (misery, destruction, wickedness) was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    And the creation account in Genesis begins after this.

    Know that trees can be euphemisms for people, as well as waters.

    Mar 8:23-25 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. (24) And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. (25) After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

    Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    The Lord does not condone wickedness. He has been more patient than any of us would be capable of. The people ‘chosen’ were the blood-line He would send Himself here (as Jesus Christ) through. This is why His Word mostly concentrates on Adam’s lineage.

    Recalling the Hebrew and Greek definitions for “god” above, the first commandments:

    Exo 20:3-6 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: (5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

    The children of Israel were to follow the Lord first, He was to be their King (president, if you will). The Lord gave them rights and liberty. They weren’t to ‘lord’ it over each other. They were not to follow other ‘gods’ (mighty rulers, magistrates, or otherwise, etc.,). They were not to have imitations (or likeness, idols) of any systems or things to serve (work for, causatively enslave). This is what they were brought out of from Egypt. Hollywood paints a picture of emaciated slaves in chains dragging monoliths around. This is not what their slavery was.

    The Israelites, after God led them out and set them free from this, chose to eventually disobey and not listen, rejecting the Lord and choosing for themselves ‘gods’ among men and money to lead them…again - forgetting their previous bondage and crooked servitude.

    We have all worshiped a golden calf (central treasury and wealth system with men as leaders) without realizing it. Most governments of men set themselves up as ‘gods’, usurping authority over the people. Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, Rome, etc., were all examples of this. Israel was instructed to not follow those ways or serve those things. Whom do we pray to (entreat, ask) for help when it gets tough? “Oh government, grant us peace and safety and welfare and security benefits…”

    We have all worshiped and served the golden calf. Do we ‘pledge allegiance’ to the Lord or to some nation (and thus the ‘gods’ we elected and ourselves)? It may help if you take the picture out of your mind of “religion” with it’s ‘church buildings’ and songs, etc., as it is defined today. That is not what the Lord is, He has just been reduced to an image of that by the workings of men.

    He instructed us to care for and teach our children, our mother and father, love our neighbor. What do we do with our children now? Who do we entrust their care to? Mandatory ‘public’ education, sponsored by whom? We sacrifice our children through the fire every day and don’t even see it. If you don’t want to follow that way, you have to pray (entreat) the ‘gods’ served to allow you to do it yourself.

    Only the physical, flesh bodies of your kindred souls are dust. When the spirit leaves the body, it goes back to the Lord who gave it.

    The Lord is jealous in the context of: He created the earth, the heavens, the sun, moon and stars and set their courses and times, and created all the natural things you see around you. Can you do all those things? Being as He gave you (your very spirit) life, and you are a conscious, aware individual, does He not deserve and have a right to be the Father that He is of all?

    We are like rebellious children, quick to be angry and blame Him for the things He can see that we can not. His patience comes from things He sees and knows of, but we do not. He is jealous because most of His children have turned to and are serving other “fathers” (’gods’, if you will). As a parent here on earth knows more than their small child, so does He.

    It would be as if your 4-year old spit in your face and told you that he/she knew more than you did and proclaimed you had no right to be their parent. Jealous is also in Hebrew ‘quanna’, also meaning to causatively make zealous (eagerness of desire to accomplish).

    You perhaps don’t know the Lord or have been misled because very little of ‘organized religion’ knows either. Remember most of the perception of Him is taught and fostered by men (as in people). If you go to a “Christian” bookstore you’ll find that there are more books by people telling you what they think, than there are copies of His Word! Houses of merchandise. Other men are held up as some kind of magnified authority (!)

    The wrong things all over are being worshiped and served. The point is missed. While Martin Luther or whomever may have done good things, he/she or whomever are NOT the Lord, and it is the Lord’s Word we’re supposed to be studying and learned upon, not wasting time memorizing catechisms, etc., of men as prerequisites of making ‘membership’ status in some apostate house of nothing or idols (beth-aven). When you don’t understand something, you go to the Lord first, not Mr. Luther or Mr. Whomever.

    1Co 1:11-13 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. (12) Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. (13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    Eph 4:14-15 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

    2Ti 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    Isa 29:10-13 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. (11) And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: (12) And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (13) Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

    They teach things and doctrines of other men and not of God, their ‘wise men’ became foolish, they bicker over petty vanities (emptiness, nothingness). He does not depend on modern prophets to discern and rewrite His words to fit science. True science and the Bible actually agree, but many of those things are not looked at, nor are they taught in the realm of today’s “churchianity”. This is because most of the churches ran off serving men instead of God - and utter confusion reigns. The Lord has harsh words for those ‘leaders’:

    Jer 2:8 The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.

    Jer 10:20-21 My tabernacle is spoiled, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth of me, and they are not: there is none to stretch forth my tent any more, and to set up my curtains. (21) For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore
    they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.

    Jer 12:10-11 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness. (11) They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.

    Jer 22:22 The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness.

    Jer 23:1-2 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. (2) Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

    (continued)

  172. Fiery sword December 7, 2009 @ 12:50 am

    (continued)

    The Lord doesn’t measure time like we do. The time that we must spend in these bodies on earth is a blink of an eye. It perhaps seems like forever to us (it sure does to me sometimes) because we know no different.

    2Pe 3:8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    Absolute and total servitude: This is what is taking place in the world now, however it is through the hands of the wicked. Jesus Christ came to tell of His Kingdom and set people free, not place them in absolute and total servitude. As the choice is yours, who would seek Him out? Be willing to do some studying and asking of Him directly to learn? The Lord actually wishes to work in your heart and set you free - and has promised He will for His children who follow Him. Both figuratively and literally. His Kingdom is not run in the ways that you see now.

    Mat 11:30 [Jesus speaking] For my yoke (servitude, laws) is easy, and my burden (task or service) is light.

    Old Testament hell (Hebrew): She’ol: Grave, hell, pit. Derived from the root word sha’al, meaning inquire, request, demand.

    New Testament hell (Greek): Geenna: Valley of Gehenna. Derived from Gah’ee (gorge) and Hinnom. Gehenna was a literal pit, a dump where they burned refuse, the bodies of animals, criminals, etc.

    Also translated as hell (Greek): Hades. It means unseen. It has also been translated, “grave”.

    And a third one in the New Testament (Greek): Tartaros. Incarcerate.

    Fire (Greek): Pur. Can mean literal or figurative fire, specifically lightening.

    Torment: Basanizo. The definition is to torture, toil, vex. It comes from the root word ‘basanos’, which means the notion of going to the bottom, a touch stone - as in testing.

    The Lord torturing people, even His children who are wicked, forever by burning them to death (without them ever dying) in a literal physical fire? I read that nowhere. I would say this:

    Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire (pur), a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire (poor) of hell.

    Does this say that the tongue is a literal fire? Of course not. Does that mean there is no punishment? No! Indeed there is. But is it as the ‘preachers’ describe? Don’t be too quick to assume. The Lord is fair and just.

    Cain’s mark: The Hebrew word for ‘mark’ there is oth. It means literally or figuratively a signal, evidence, beacon, etc. Cain’s “sacrifice” wasn’t accepted because he didn’t give his best. Cain was a tiller of the ground, Abel tended sheep. Kind of a joint effort to raise food and care for your family. When a person remembered that God blessed them by things being plentiful (even though it took the sweat of their labor to produce), and gave of their best “firstfruits” and weren’t greedy, God would continue to care for them and they would still have plenty.

    A sacrifice wasn’t just to literally burn things up on an altar, but to also go for the care and love of the family unit. God is the Father of all, by the ’sacrifices’ (not necessarily animal mutilations in concept or the picture that normally enters a person’s mind when hearing of them) - He was trying to teach them also to love (this word is ‘agapo’ - which means in a social or moral sense) their neighbor as themselves - and trust Him and remember He was their Father.

    ‘Neighbor’ meant their fellow people within their nation - and any ’stranger’ (of a ‘heathen’ nation) that wished to join them. Needless to say, there were many other ‘heathen’ nations that had mighty kings and rejected the very thought of losing that - and wished to stomp on Israel and spit in God’s face. They did not succeed, at least not until Israel began running astray, worse and worse eventually rejecting God as their king.

    When one person - who has had a taste of power being made a mighty ‘king’ and can lord it over others - would he and his cronies (also in seats of ‘godlike’ power) wish to give that up so easily? No. And not only that, they would wish to corrupt any such government system of God as well (Israel was “peculiar”) - eventually inflicting their servitude and slavery upon others.

    Since the Lord created all, He knows what lies in the hearts of people. Remember also He can see things we can not. There were reasons He’d directed the Israelites to sometimes ‘destroy’ an enemy - it wasn’t just on vague bloody whims. And sometimes He told them to not go into battle.

    Why did God not just ‘fix’ the hearts of all creation? Well, here in this world He gave us free will to choose what ways we wanted. With your children, would you want to ‘force’ their love? That would be kind of hollow. The problem is when His ways aren’t chosen, it causes hurt to others.

    Though people are destroyed here, both figuratively and also physically, the soul goes back to God who created it - even those that did the destroying. All will have to account for their actions. So when things seem unjust, they aren’t. He isn’t done yet - and we can not see all of how He works through our perspective here. He doesn’t want those that would disrupt His Kingdom being in it. He doesn’t want theft and death and crying there.

    When God wasn’t pleased with Cain’s actions, Cain got angry and took out his brother Abel, then lied about it. Notice that Cain asked, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Cain was greedy. He didn’t want to love his brother, (’neighbor’) nor follow God’s ways.

    Cain left and went elsewhere and ‘builded a city’. Cain became a great king, a ‘god’ if you will. Successful in the eyes of the people he ruled - and they didn’t kill him, viewing him as successful, and likely revering him, as people do their self-made ‘gods’ today.

    There are several important things to remember when it seems the Old & New Testament conflict. A) Jesus was God Himself. B) The Lord in the Old Testament said He changes not. (He hasn’t ‘gone back’ on His laws and ways).

    Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Joh 10:30 [Jesus speaking] I and my Father are one. (are one another)

    Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    Mat 5:17-18 [Jesus speaking] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    Jesus said:

    Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

    Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

    Why is this seemingly ‘different’ from Old Testament instructions of an “eye for an eye”? It’s not. An ‘eye for an eye’ was the punishment factor of the Lord’s judicial system - balanced with the many good ‘offerings’ and things He also had the people of Israel, as a nation, do to help one another.

    If an “eye for an eye” was carried out, it was because God judged it and God directed them in what to do as they were still following Him (they didn’t have an earthly king or heathen “government” set up) - vengeance was still the Lord’s at that time. They weren’t supposed to take it upon themselves to do what in their heart seemed right, but His. He is the Father, He makes those judgment calls.

    Now, we are a small number. There are many enemies intermingled with us. The nation is also not following Him, nearly none are. It is not up to us to determine an ‘eye for an eye’ - that’s supposed to be His job. We have given other ‘gods’ power over us to decide morals and punishments. Needless to say if you look at the ‘legal system’ - where is justice? Nobody asks Him. If it appears that they have gotten away with things, God’s not done yet; have patience.

    Seek Him (Jesus) and follow what He says to do. When you don’t know, or something seems confusing, you ask Him. He came here to clarify this with His teachings, among many other things. It was then as it is now - the Lord’s Words were twisted and corrupted by the ideas and images of men, nobody was ‘getting it’. Babylon, confusion. When you read the Old Testament, this was the context in which those laws were written:

    Mat 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    If you have even faith as a mustard seed, trust and go to the Lord first and foremost, in Jesus’ name for all your answers.

    You’ve tried asking Him many times I’m sure - try again. Sometimes He does let us go through a lot here in this short time in this world to teach us and help bring us out of darkness and to a point where we are truly ready to hear what He has to say. I would recommend http://www.e-sword.net if you don’t have that program, the bible software is free. Grab a King James Version w/ Strong’s numbers and the Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionary. Ask the Lord for help in understanding, in Jesus’ name.

    I am human, I make errors. I don’t have every answer. I do not claim to be 100% accurate. Anything you hear via people, myself included: the Lord is the ultimate authority, not me or any person or system here. You do not need some man’s theology. Ask the Father in heaven in Jesus’ name and be willing to search Him out. Many of His children in this world have rejected Him and not the other way around. Then we get irritable when things don’t go our way and we demand of Him why that is so.

    Also, know that all spirits are not of (or ‘for’, if you will) the Lord. Be careful of anything claiming they have special ’secret’ knowledge - or promising they’ll teach you to “be as god”. Not a single one of us can do all the things He can. They don’t understand that their time here is just a blink. All the wickedness, the stealing that they’ve devoted their lives to and the hurt caused - truly, they have their reward.

    1Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try (test, discern) the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed (disguised) into an angel of light.

  173. Z.O.G. December 7, 2009 @ 12:56 am

    Alex Jones’ Jewish Connections

    1.) He has a Jewish wife named Kelly Rebeca Nichols.

    2.) He has three(3) Jewish children with his wife Kelly Rebecca Nichols.

    3.) He and his wife and children are all eligible for Israeli citizenship under Israel’s “Law of Return”.

    4.) He has at least nineteen(19) Jewish sponsors and advertizers that financially support his radio show and websites.

    5.) He has a Jewish lawyer named Elizabeth M. Schurig who is also the lawyer for Holly Lev Bronfman, Edgar Bronfman’s sister, meaning that there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and the Bronfman family. The Bronfman family is one of the most powerful Jewish Zionist families in the world.

    6.) His flagship radio station, KLBJ AM, in Austin, Texas, is owned by Emmis Communications, a media conglomerate based in Indianapolis, Indiana. The founder, president, CEO, and chairman of Emmis Communications is a dual Israeli citizen Zionist Jew named Jeffrey H. Smulyan.

    7.) His radio show is broadcast on Sirius XM satellite radio. The chairman of Sirius XM Radio is a Jew named Eddy W. Hartenstein. The CEO of Sirius XM Radio is a Jew named Mel Karmazin. The President and Chief Content Officer of Sirius XM Radio is a Jew named Scott Greenstein. Of the six(6) executive officers of Sirius XM Radio, five(5) are Jews.

  174. admin December 7, 2009 @ 8:57 am

    Dear Eternal Love -

    I look forward AS ALWAYS to your next “present” as these gifts are a BIG ENCOURAGEMENT to me and very PRACTICAL as well. (I wear your “hat” when it gets cold in my little studio “monastic cell.”) Your financial help is also a big help and encouragement as well.

    And THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER about reaching Christ’s “little ones.”

    This is why it is important for me to have YOUR PRAYERS and the PRAYERS of ALL OF OUR REAL ZIONIST NEWS FAMILY for me to be out on the street VERY EARLY so the kids on their way to school in the school buses see Brother Nathanael holding high the Holy Cross of Our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ - AND - holding the big sign, “Merry CHRISTmas!.”

    All should know, that the Street Evangelism that I conduct, is my MAIN PRIORITY (of course, my full monastic rule, prayer life and Spiritual reading, COMES FIRST.)

    Thank you again Dear ETERNAL LOVE for YOUR LOVE IN CHRIST, Your +Brother, Nathanael

  175. Fr. John December 7, 2009 @ 11:22 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Thanks for your expose’s, which are always enlightening to read.

    I now skip the comments, if only to keep my blood pressure down!

    I’d rather read YOU, than those who comment off topic at any and every occasion.

    Blessed Advent season.

  176. charlie December 7, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

    Kathjulianne quotes from another person -

    “the Western captivity”, in reference to the Catholic church, or catholic and protestant churches, - which is it?

    What do you mean by that?

    Denigrating another church, if that is your intention, or churches, does not serve to promote your church, quite the opposite.

    It also is a stumbling block to others who are searching for God, in or through whatever church, east or west.

    …….”the western captivity”? . - captives of the Light of Christ, yea, now and forever.

  177. justiceforchris58@yahoo.com December 7, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

    That’s why I skip over KathJulianne’s comments. Her Orthodox chauvinism has become unbearable. We should all be uniting at this dangerous time when we all stand to lose our freedoms, if not our lives. Our enemies are the Jews, not other Christians. But KJ seems more interested in getting digs in at the Catholic Church. How unfortunate.

  178. Hello December 7, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

    @ Charlie

    I posted the definition of “captive” as the opposite of “freedom” so others would know what that feels like. True freedom is in Jesus Christ and no aspersion on any Christian denomination is meant.

    I, too, believe that unity of all Christians is important to preserve liberty.

  179. Michael K. December 7, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

    Dear charlie and justiceforchris58@yahoo.com,

    I happen to agree with KathJuliane so that makes me partial and not impartial. Now, I’m not looking for any fight, but I wonder how you can miss the point of what she seems to be saying by taking it as something personal.

    First, the Catholic Church includes the Orthodox Church, they are not separate, so why not use the term Roman Catholic? Second, what about Vatican II, the Jesuits, the Inquisition, Anti-popes, the Thirty Years War, colonialism, fascism and the Vatican Bank? These are not an insignificant list of problems.

    To put it in perspective, I believe that the PEOPLE who are devout Roman Catholic Christians in their hearts are as close to God as KathJuliane or anyone else who is a Christian for that matter, but there is certainly plenty of criticism within the RCC for the lack of faith and the materialistic ways of the Church heirarchy. I was raised a Roman Catholic and I don’t see all that much difference between it and Orthodoxy, other than the fact that I have found the RCC masses to seem listless and the priests to lack something.

    Frankly, I don’t understand why you don’t see this. Are you really happy with the current pope? What about the notion of the real Pope being in exile as thepopeinred.com talks about? I’m not suggesting that Roman Catholics and Protestants aren’t Christians, but rather that it is not chauvinism to criticize the actual errors that have divided Chritianity asunder.

    Let’s not forget, The RCC excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople, not the other way around. Protestants split from the RCC, but only after being pushed away. The Orthodox Catholic Church has not been chauvinistically splitting from the RCC and Protestantism, but quite the opposite. The primal Catholic Church has been rejected and replaced by man-made innovations and political sects, who then cannot bear the censure of merely having this history pointed out.

    Each person does not get to decide what constitutes Christianity. People should try to learn what Christianity really is and then decide if they believe in it. You cannot criticize Orthodoxy with any validity because it is pure and unchanged. On the other hand, you can always criticize Orthodox Christians because none of them are pure. Let’s just get it straight, KathJuliane is a big sinner by her own admissiion, but she is a meticulous scholar with a great respect for accuracy, factuality and reason.

    It just seems as if you take exception to the message, which is that IT IS the hypocrisy and materialism of Western culture that has led us to the grave situation of spiritual death that haunts our doorstep. It IS a Roman Catholic failure. It IS a Protestant failure. It IS NOT an Orthodox failure. Do you want to cut off her head like John the Baptist for censuring that which deserves censure?

    I only point any of this out because it is unkind to advertise the fact that you are ignoring somebody on purpose when you can just as well ignore them, without trying to hurt their feelings, by doing it in private. And so I speak when spoken to generally, but I have no contempt for you personally nor do I doubt your sincere faith in God. I just think you have bad manners and are attacking the messenger, which is a sin.

  180. Fr. Joseph December 7, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

    Dear Michael K,

    Okay, let us OPEN UP the can of worms once again. KathJuliane simply RELISHES getting her digs into the Catholic Church one way or another.

    So let HER research and valid this one very BIG and HUGE “Church FACT”.

    The Byzantine Emporer who DEPOSED of the Partiarch of Constantinople in order to ADVANCE and APPOINT St. Photius as Patriarch OPENLY VIOLATED Canon 12 of the Church’s Own Council of Chalcedon!

    “…lets not go looking for a fight…”

    SWEET WORDS always, always, ALWAYS with the intention of getting one’s DIGS IN vs. the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    And when the PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE writes a letter in SUPPORT OF the Bishop of Rome and of the ‘Filioque’ phrase which simply drives members of the ORTHODOX Church “nuts” and sends them off “fuming” vs. the Western Church during the 1400’s and the Church’s Council of Florence/Ferrera, the RUSSIANS and the members of the GREEK Church go into a tizzy and REJECT the healing of the SCHISM OF 1054 A.D.!

    And when the Mother of God herself asks for the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart - the ORTHODOX CHURCH can only DENOUNCE and REJECT the Most Holy Theotokos’ Apparitions, Messages and Instructions to and for her Son’s Church here on earth!

    If the ‘Orthodox Faith’ consists ONLY IN the denouncing of the Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome, then it becomes nothing more but another ‘Anti-Rome, Anti-Pope’ sect!

    God Himself will give ALL OF US “World Peace” if but only THE BISHOPS of her Son’s Church consecrated RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart…but “World Peace” is such a SECONDARY ISSUE when compared to the ‘absolute 950+ year NECESSITY’ to denounce the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church!

    Yes, I get UPSET with these relentless “lets get our DIGS into the Catholic Church” postings from ALL of these members of the Orthodox Church who post to these commentary forums on account of their REJECTION of God’s Own Offer to and for the World and His Church of WORLD PEACE!

    - Fr. Joseph

  181. Hoff December 7, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

    Just Another Day in the Lying Jew Propaganda-Machine.

    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition 1902:

    The words: “While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded…” appear in the last paragraph of the left hand column of the image.

    http://nsm88.org/articles/holohoax/encycbrit.html

  182. justiceforchris58@yahoo.com December 7, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

    First off, allow me to apologize to KathJulianne if my comment was rude. If anything, I just feel frustrated when reading her comments (which do have a lot of other interesting info, btw), and then I get a splash of cold water in the face as a Catholic.

    It’s just that, to me, it’s extremely important for us Christians, when we are under assault by the enemies of Christ as never before, to stay united and strong. Divisiveness only serves to strengthen our enemies.

    Yes, there are denominational differences, doctrinal differences, and so on and so forth. We all know that. But we all come here because we know that dark clouds are gathering on the horizen and that we are in for a perfect storm of attack by our enemies as followers of Christ. They don’t care who’s Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, etc. They hate Christ, therefore, they hate all of those who follow Christ. That’s all of us here at RZN.

    To Michael K., thanks for your honesty (in the interest of full disclosure)in stating that you are Orthodox. I will not respond to all of your points, but I will only say that there is no such thing as the “Roman” Catholic Church.

    That modifier “Roman” was added by the English Protestants to make themselves feel that they were still Catholic after their Reformation, and that they were simply “Anglo” Catholics as opposed to “Roman” Catholics.

    There is only one Universal Church and the Sheperd is, and always has been, in Rome. I pray daily for Christian unity, so please, let’s not continue with divisive discourse.

    Again, my apologies to KJ. But please, let’s all stand together in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  183. The Prodigal Son December 7, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

    @ Fr. John,

    Are you the same racist Fr. John that posts @ The Ugly Truth ?

    The one who referred to Arabs as ’sandni**ers’ ?

    And at the same time you call yourself ‘Orthodox’ ?

    Is your purpose to discredit the true message of Orthodoxy ?

    Are you actually an ordained priest ? In what Church - may I ask ?

    Br. Nathanael,

    Have you seen this man’s website ?

    As for posters being off topic, I think that is Brother Nathanael’s opinion to form, isn’t it ?

    As long as the discussions revolve around those who call themselves Christians and Christianity… then they are always ‘on topic’.

    That’s because a large part of Christianity has been Judaized beyond belief, due to the process of ‘Jews’ trying to destroy Christianity - from within and from without.

    Br. Nathanael is clear that the entire purpose of this site is to “Show How Zionist Jews Are Destrying Christianity Throughout the World”.

    Everything here relates directly to that, to ‘Jews’, or to Christianity herself, so… ?

    - - -

    justiceforchris58,

    You said, “That’s why I skip over KathJulianne’s comments. Her Orthodox chauvinism has become unbearable. We should all be uniting at this dangerous time when we all stand to lose our freedoms, if not our lives. Our enemies are the Jews, not other Christians. But KJ seems more interested in getting digs in at the Catholic Church. How unfortunate.”

    Now listen to yourself: “We should all be uniting at this dangerous time when we all stand to lose our freedoms,”

    Yes, but can’t you see that it is also IMPERITVE that we unite only in TRUTH ?

    Think of a ‘Christian’ sect which you strongly disagree with… maybe Mormonism… or Jehovah’s Witnesses. Shall we unite with them as well ?

    Let’s all unite ? Yes, but ONLY in truth ! In Truth, In Christ ! Christ is The Truth… therefore, Salvation comes through Truth.

    “My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
    And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.”
    - I John 3:19

    So you see - KathJuliane goes to a great deal of loving effort to bring us the truth.

    Love is the motive for telling someone the truth - even if they don,t want to hear it !

    “Therefore, putting away lying, ‘Let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor.’ for we are members of one another.”
    - Ephesians 4:25

    Look - Jesus has sent the Holy Spirit (proceeding from the Father) as the Comforter… to lead the Church into ALL TRUTH.

    For the first 1000 years, Christianity after Pentacost was united… Every Church - Rome too - practiced Orthodoxy IN THE BEGINNING !

    Because the Holy Spirit was guiding the ONE Church into all truth… this means that when all of the Churches got together to decide on any issue (as they did @ the first 7 ecumenical councils), they could not be wrong ! The Holy Spirit was present, and GUIDED the proceedings into ALL TRUTH !

    Then Rome split away in 1054… Scripture clearly says there is ONE Church, but now there were seemingly TWO !

    But just as there is only ONE Church; there is likewise only ONE TRUTH !

    Going from there, we must decide WHICH of these two - NOW DIFFERENT faiths is the TRUE Church.

    Pure, beautiful Logic tells us that the TRUE Church (the pillar and ground of the truth) must be the one that has not changed its doctrines from those set forth by the first seven councils (when the Church was ONE).

    If someone takes issue with something KathJuliane says on this open forum graciously provided to us by our dear Brother Nathanael, let them address the percieved error - instead of derogating her in an ad hominem way.

    Confront the message - not the messenger.

  184. kc December 7, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

    “Then Rome split away in 1054… Scripture clearly says there is ONE Church, but now there were seemingly TWO !”

    Exactly..they decided to split, not us Orthodox. And now their attitude is, as if WE need to come back to them. No, if they want to unite THEY need to COME BACK to US by returning back to the original doctrines we shared before the schism. That includes getting rid of the invincibility of the Pope among other important things.

    That is the Catholic attitude I simply do not agree with and have a complete right to disagree as much as I want because in our eyes they are heretics. I respect regular people as Christians and yes, I believe in some ecumenical stand-up when we are in trenches but to unite the un-unitable? Won’t work. What will happen, there will not be any more Orthodoxy in that case.

  185. Hello December 8, 2009 @ 6:30 am

    RE: KathJulianne’s postings

    Yes they are well researched but they also exalt Orthodoxy over other Christian denominations which is not conducive to unity nor is it a way to endear yourself to other Christians.

    Also, in her writings on the family, I don’t know of any woman who wants to be dumped on and treated without respect- even if they are of the traditional ilk.

  186. Michael K. December 8, 2009 @ 7:09 am

    Dear Friends,

    Yes, let us unite and muster at the feet of our one true Master, let his love wash away our doubts and suspicions.

    We ARE in ‘the trenches’!

    I was baptized a Catholic, attend church with Protestant and Catholic alike. The mark of God is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, not the trappings of the altar.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  187. Christina December 8, 2009 @ 7:56 am

    Looking at two virgins in history:

    Saint Joan of Arc and the Virgin Mary.

    Joan saved France but the French King would not save Joan–why? because she took on a man’s role as warrior? Joan had to die a martyr’s death..how horrible.

    In the poem of Mulan, the female Chinese warrior is left to die in the snow after the male leader finds out she is a woman. After her achievements are recognized she marries the same leader who left her to die.

    The Virgin Mary is prayed to as our Lady Queen of Peace and venerated by Christians to intercede with God…she was assumed into Heaven, as was Jesus..Catholic saints who followed her, Mother Teresa and others are held in high esteem–why? because they accepted the women’s role as spiritual mother?

    It is scary indeed to see what happens when a woman has a role held by men–in the past they were killed for that, now it’s being psychologically killed for that…

    There is really something to how gender differences are percevied.

  188. Lynda December 8, 2009 @ 10:22 am

    Hi Serpentseed,

    I agree with you - the terms Gibborim and nephilim are fascinating terms. The author L.A. Mazulli has a very good you tube presentation on Genesis 6. He goes right into the Hebrew derivation of these terms.

    “Nephelim”. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MsT473kKhc

    The term ‘elohim’ is plural. However in the Sacred Text it uniquely takes the singular verb. Kind of like in the sentence in present tense: They writes a story.

    This is reflected in the Shema: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God (Elohim) is One.” The term ‘One’ is not yachid (numerically one) but echad (unity). Our God is One in the high order of unity.

    In the New Testament we find out this unity, this echad is a unity of Divine Persons: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    This is a mystery of the Trinity is a mystery of the personal and the dimensions of the personal.

    As persons our own ‘God breathed’ souls unite body, psyche and spirit. We are a mystery to ourselves in our own trinitarian nature. And our God who is One God in Three Divine Persons is mysterious.

    Our God is a jealous God. He loves his creatures with a jealous love. Why is that? I have no idea but I do know that when I (a trinitarian creature) lavish my love and attention and gifts upon someone and they treat me like shit, then the way I feel gives me a very good idea about how God feels when his creatures turn away from Him and decide to be their own gods.

    The mystery of iniquity upon which you touch does require some knowledge of the human story from the time of our first parents Adam and Eve. And it is bound up with the story of the angels - specifically the fallen of the host, the b’nai elohim. Our stories are woven together in words like Gibborim and nephilim.

    The work of the Cross did not destroy evil. That is a mystery of the will. As long as you have created persons with trinitarian natures like angels and men who have intellect, memory and will then the possibility of evil choices does exist in a real world that was not created in vain.

    Theoretically, I guess you could have a toy world in which created beings always did good thing or the appropriate thing because they did not have will to choose otherwise. But then you would not have a world in which true love is possible. From my point of view, as a trinitarian creature - what you would have is a borning world. There would be no stories with real, intrinisic interest.

    In the Genesis story, angels made evil choices and that is why they became the rebel angels. Adam and Eve made a very bad deal with the Serpent that is Lucifer or the Devil. And choice of their disobedience, that is a choice of the moral will has had most sorrowful consequences down through the generations.

    Our Lord’s work of the Cross cast down Satan from the throne of this passing age of the world. And he founded the Church to assert His victory for man against the spiritual powers still seated in wickedness, still attempting to rule the world.

    They are defeated. Our Lord does expect his Church to claim His victory over them and all their deluded followers. In particular by mounting rescue operations of our own for those who have chained themselves to the Titanic of this world’s passing age by their sins and the sins of their ancestors.

    In Christ, all peoples can now become regenerate in our Lord as the Last Adam, the Lord from Heaven.

    He said: “In the world you are going to have trouble, but to be of good cheer because I have overcome the world.” Sadly we all do know of sin, evil, sorrow and death. But through faith we can know of our Lord’s victory over all these. And we can live His life abundantly.

  189. George December 8, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

    kc said: “That includes getting rid of the invincibility of the Pope among other important things.”

    While the pope may claim to be infallible, I don’t think he ever claimed to be invincible. That’s why he has that bullet proof pope-mobile.

  190. Fr. Joseph December 8, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

    Dear serpentseed,

    “There is a season for everything, a time for every occupation under Heaven…

    “…A time for THROWING STONES AWAY,
    a time for GATHERING them up;
    a time for EMBRACING,
    a time to REFRAIN FROM EMBRACING…”
    - Ecclesiastes 3:1, 3::5

    Now that I have some free time to myself, let me share something of a most personal and very intimate nature with you regarding the DEATH(S) of loved ones. It might be of some personal spiritual help for others here on RZN who have had to endure the grief and sorrow as well.

    Ten years ago I lived in Carson City, Nevada and my aged father lived in New Jersey, about 2,500 miles and three time zones apart.

    One night, I was gently awakened from my sleep at about 2:00 A.M. to the “surprize” of finding myself under the Unseen Spiritual Presence of God our Father in Heaven. Christian mystical theology terms and describes that sort of personal spiritual Graced event as an ‘Intellectual Vision’.

    God the Father was just simply ‘There’ for me. He did not so much make any sort of ‘Move’ nor did He communinate any ‘Thought’ or ‘Idea’ or ‘Vision’ to me.
    God the Father simply allowed me to enjoy and relax and be comforted in His Spiritual Presence and by His Spiritual Presence. God the Father did not so much as make ANY SORT of ‘Demand’ or ‘Response’ to Him. God the Father was simply “just-There-for-me”.

    I didn’t understand why, but after about 10 minutes of simply resting in His Unseen Presence and being comforted in His Unseen Presence, I gently slipped back into a very calm sleep.

    The telephone rang in my bedroom, I looked over to my alarm clock, the time was now 2:30 A.M.. Groggily I reached over to pick up and answer this very early morning telephone call.

    My brother was on the other end of the line. He simply told me “I just wanted to let you know, Joe…DAD has just died in the hospital.”

    God the Father, in His most Divine Loving Compassion, granted me that personal spiritual mystical experience of Himself in order to help me in dealing with my beloved father’s death that night.

    Days later, after having flown from Nevada to New Jersey to be at my father’s funeral, we were all on our way to the cemetery in the funeral procession.

    I was holding up pretty darn good until the moment when at the grave site, the cemetary workers began to lower my father’s coffin into the six foot deep grave.

    It wasn’t until I saw my father’s coffin “leave the surface” and descend into the grave that I finally came “undone”.

    It was as if my inner heart and spirit were gouged and sliced by a sword, spilling out all of my inner spiritual ‘entrails’ and I found myself helplessly being sucked into the center of a spiritual ‘Black Hole’ of utter helplessness, grief, sorrow, despair and apparent ‘hopelessness’. And I began to inwardly WAIL great unseen spiritual TEARS as well as outwardly manifested human TEARS streaming from my eyes like a water faucet left on.

    And I found myself sinking every more deeply and helplessly into this inner unseen ‘Black Hole’ of inner spiritual loss, grief and despair.

    It was THEN I was granted yet another spiritual mystical experience. In Christian Mystical Theology, it’s what is called an ‘Inner Locution’ which is the ACTUAL hearing of an unseen voice telling you something in the SAME FASHION as would any other human being relay something to you via the human body’s ability to SPEAK words.

    This honest-to-goodness-voice from this entirely unseen angelic spirit which spoke to me in an entirely child-like voice spoke these following words to me in a most playfully and entirely unconcerned CHILDISH fashion:

    “YOU ALWAYS GO BACK FOR ‘BURIED TREASURE’, DON’T YOU???”

    And the spiritual IMPACT those words spoken to me in this spiritual-mystical fashion caused in me an INSTANTANEOUS change in my inner spiritual disposition, mood, feelings and outlook.

    INSTANTANEOUSLY was my grief, sorrow, dread, helplessness and hopelessness changed into TEARS OF JOY and chuckling LAUGHTER!

    “Oh DEATH, where is your VICTORY? Oh DEATH, where is your STING???”

    May God our Father in Heaven grant YOU such Divine Help in dealing with the DEATHS of loved ones and ALL of the evil atrocities which have, are and most likely will continue to take place ‘in this World’ as long as you and I and the rest of us are REQUIRED to live our lives IN it and spend out time IN it! + Amen.

    - Fr. Joseph

  191. charlie December 8, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

    A little insight into a Yiddish mind set.

    Palestinian fishing was restricted some years ago to a twelve mile limit.

    This is because this is where the greatest concentration of sewerage effluent exists.

    Israelist boats patrol the “boundary” line and fire on any Palestinian fishing boat which even inches over it.

    After the last heinous assault on the beautiful people of Gaza ( which resulted by the way in the sewerage treatment plants again being put out of action) this limit was reduced to six miles - where the effluen, again untreated is ….. it goes without saying, far more concentrated.

    This “untreated” effluent, in another manner, is what you have to fish in, on American TV to find some relief from the hard workaday world.

    Judging by the latest USA exports to the Australian TV market, the fishing area, in THIS “untreated effluent”, has been, metaphorically “reduced to six miles.”

    Are you following my inadequate essayism …………?

    The above assault on the dignity and health of the Gaza goes hand in hand with the uprooting of their olive groves, poisoning or restricting access to their water wells, the heavy restrictions on cooking oil and medical supplies, the complete enclosure of each small district of Palestine with ’settler’ only roads, to allow ’settlers’, who now own most of the west bank, a wonderful apartheid existence.(this list is endless and includes tens of thousands in Isreali jails for the crime of being Palestinian.)

    Needless to say Palestinian fish consumption has been greatly reduced as a result of the embargo, and also obviously,for the certifiable contamination fears.

    American TV consumption appears unaffected -

    along with tax contributions to wars, Black Ops and Surveillance - and as well a subservience to a public ban on their religion and a jack boot police state.

    The ‘chosen ones’, we are told, will have their reward ………

    There is mention in the Book of Revelations of beheading in the last days for those who steadfastly refuse to denounce Christian faith.

    Many eyewitness accounts have emerged in recent years of literally thousands of guillotines being prepositioned throughout America along with boxcars with shackes and hundreds of gulags.

    Could this beheading (the soul, and thus faith resides in the head) be the result of Americans (as well as other nations) surrendering their weapons?

    Call me naieve but it seems to me a country which sprang forth, (albeit from the oppression and enslavement of others), but also a belief and desire for freedom - (for the majority who had no part in the above) - will not go quietly into the night.

  192. charlie December 8, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

    Please indulge me a little on this feast Day of the Immaculate Conception.

    The greatest evil in America today (and other countries as well) is vaccinations, of which the massive epidemic of destroyed innocent little children, now up to 1 in sixty in some places, known as autism, is but the blunt leading edge of the poisoning of every child.

    Who is behind this?

    Did I say WHO?

    The middle abbreviation in the above stands for “health”. This is now (ie health) and has been for a long while, a prohibited area - a no go zone. Those who sucessfully promote it are persecuted by the ‘rulers of this world’ with all the vehemence of a raging fanatic bent on destroying the enemy.

    No prizes for guessing WHO is behind this unprecedented evil.

    There was a prophecy some time back, which corresponded exactly to my own thought at the time - based on my personal experiences, that there were demons walking around in human flesh who were worse than fallen angels in hell.

    These people are certainly NOT human.

    But what can we say of the others, people whom you try to warn about vaccinnes, when you see their helpless infants devastated by these heinous crimes, and these their parents, who are just as much a victim as their child, if they love that child, and even if they don’t, respond to you with hatred?

  193. USSA=ZOG ECONOMIC GULAG December 8, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

    Bro. Nathanael,

    The work you are doing with this sight is shedding light and sharing wisdom with those who are tired of the establishment’s mass network of mind control, manipulation, and mind control.

    It’s sad how many Chrisitans are deceived by all the hype (i.e., ZOG crony Middle East war, State of Palestine latest rants and rackets, against the indigenious people, Fake news stories like Tiger Woods personal life that Jew Walter Winchell began, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell).

    I bear witness that on Alex Jones Infowars.com iv’e be barred from commenting and it all started when I said things like Bilderberg’s all Jews, ZOG runs America, Jews are manipulating the Dollar at the Fed, etc.

    Jones is a polished marketer who reaches out to the good ol’ boys, and anti-establishment fringe but little do they know he’s probablly a CIA Operative like the other spooks who have worked tirelessly for ZOG goals for over 60 years.

    I no longer listen to Jones ZOG hype as he’s probablly a feeler gathering intel on all those who would dare listen to his so called “contrarian” program.

    Alex will help ZOG identify those who oppose the false matrix the Western World is currently enslaved under. He probablly knows so much about the FEMA Camps because his network is doing intel on the masses to put them there. He can drop the mad Southern, Americana good ol boy next door facade and go have some bagels with his handlers.

    Thanks for being a beacon of light in this dark ZOG World. May Jesus destroy their foul plans for His creation.

  194. KathJuliane December 8, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

    The Orthodox Church lives and teaches what has always been taught continuously from Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition from the days of the Apostles and the ancient historical Church of Jerusalem without interruptions, changes or innovations.

    The West in every culture, including biblical Israel, is the traditional symbolic direction of death and darkness.

    America, which is not classically part of the Eurocentric worldview, and which the Founders vigorously labored to disconnect from politically forming the “American Ideal”, (not the same as discarding one’s national, historical and cultural roots from Europe) has also finally come under this terrible spirit of the “Western captivity” as seen from spiritual Constantinople and her daughter “Holy Rus”, which began at Kiev in the Ukraine, looking towards Western Europe through the lens of a vast history, and getting sucked down into it.

    It was this terrible bloody spirit and pall of murder and oppression among the Crowned Heads against each other and the Catholic-Protestant-Anglican religious warfare in the name of Christ in the Old World that our American Forefathers various European nations attempted to escape.

    No one put it more eloquently than the great Christian Yankee John Quincy Adams, a world-travelling statesman who was for several years the ambassador plenipotentiary to Tzarist Russia and personal friends with Tsar Alexander I. He flat called Europe Alcadema – the Field of Blood.

    When he served as U.S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day.

    “AND NOW, FRIENDS AND COUNTRYMEN, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

    “Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

    “She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

    “She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

    “She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

    **She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.**

    Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

    But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

    She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

    She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

    She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

    She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

    The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force….
    She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….

    [America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.

  195. charlie December 8, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

    MK,

    Yes I am happy with the current pope. Just a week ago I said a Rosary for his intentions.

    Kathjulianne, we all know the sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

    Plato first discovered that whilst sitting under a new tonian apple tree I believe.
    ….or was it Steinbeck, in his seminal work, “East of Eden?”

  196. Fr. Joseph December 8, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

    Just for the sake of ‘meticulous historical facts’….

    The nation of Russia wasn’t ‘Christinized’ until 988 Anno Domini after Prince Vladimir’s own personal conversion.

    The Bishop of Rome approved the Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture defined by the Church Councils of Carthage and Hippo in the years 397 A.D. and 400 A.D. respectively. That’s FIVE HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT YEARS before Russia converts to Christianity!

    If the Bishop of Rome has NO AUTHORITY whatsoever in the eyes of those from the RUSSIAN Church or from the GREEK Church, then why did Prince Vladimir ACCEPT what the BISHOP OF ROME sealed with his Bishop’s Approval i.e. the Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church?

    Imagine that - a scant 66 YEARS after Russia converts to Christianity, they give the Bishop of Rome “The Boot” and the RUSSIAN Church becomes ‘The Guardian Of Apostolic Tradition’!

    AS IF all of the Churches established throughout the entire World since the time of the Apostles up to 1054 A.D. didn’t do a flippant thing in SAFEGUARDING the Apostolic Faith for the BENEFIT of the Russian peoples and their Russian nation and for their conversion!

    “Thanks Alot!” from those of us from the WESTERN Church formed PRIOR TO 988 A.D. upon the deaths of St. Peter and St. Paul in ROME!

    - Fr. Joseph

  197. charlie December 8, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

    Fr Joseph thank you for sharing about your fathers death.

    This is when we understand who our God is. He who stoops from heaven to uphold someone in their time of grief.

    I know from the experience of my sisters death recently that what you said is absolutely true.

  198. Fr. Joseph December 8, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

    Dear Charlie,

    I might get ‘emotional’, I might get ‘hot under the collar’ and I might NOT express myself here on RZN in what is supposed to be the expected GENTLE manner of an ordained Priest all the time (but I should), but one thing I am EVER MINDFUL about is that I have to speak TRUTH and be TRUTHFUL in all that I say.

    And the reason being is I will be JUDGED by Almighty God for all that I say or do.

    God is enough grieved on account of too many people in our contemporary World. I most assuredly DO NOT want to have to answer to Him for LYING or ‘Making Things Up’.

    And besides, perhaps it brings Him a certain amount of RELIEF and COMFORT in having somebody here in this royally fouled up World of 2009 Anno Domini telling somebody else about our ALL-GOOD and ALL-LOVING God and ETERNAL FATHER in Heaven.

    His Only Eternally Begotten Son, JESUS the Christ, spend His Whole Life telling everyone who would listen about HIS FATHER in Heaven.

    Just trying to be “Christ-like” to and for other people.

    - Fr. Joseph

  199. katman December 9, 2009 @ 7:35 am

    Looking at two virgins in history:

    Saint Joan of Arc and the Virgin Mary.

    Interesting. so may we ask who killed Joan of Arc and burned her at the stake? Who was it that did such things during those times in Europe? Who may I ask? Has anyone from the Protestant churches ever burned anyone at the stake, much less, conceived of such a thing? I say not.

  200. charlie December 9, 2009 @ 11:46 am

    Another problem with an all out attack on the Western church is that you unfairly align your own church with Judaism and Freemasonry, and may thus be regarded in the same light.

    Even Christs own ‘church’, the apostles, had a traitor amongst them.

    Should you tarnish Christ on account of that?……and still leave your own church free of criticism?

    No amount of dogma in the world will save you, only charity, and this charity exists in all cultures, in all religions, in all places: which are covered by the blood of Christ, because salvation and judgement belong to Christ alone.

    As St Teresa of the child Jesus, whose focus of prayer was Africa has left us a legacy, which was emulated by Mother Teresa of Calcutta - if you love, truly love, you have all of Christ.

  201. kc December 9, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

    George,

    Yes I meant ‘infallible’, sorry forgot the word. Though it basically means spiritually invincible in the Christian sense, which is absurd because as long as any human is alive physically they are facing the risk of ‘falling’..

    No man is infallible, ever..

  202. Lorie K December 9, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

    To “The Dude”

    You wrote, “This article does not expose AJ but just offers an opinion on the nature of the ADL artlicle. It contains no proof of Alex being a shill but makes the assumption that he is. I mean come on, Alex Jones has been on air for over a decade and this is the best proof you have?”

    Hey, Dude. I think you may have over looked a lot of stuff and haven’t read the background information. I am Lorie Kramer, the person whose research is mentioned in the beginning of this excellent article detailing the painfully obvious good cop/bad cop dramatization being played out over airwaves and pixels.

    The Jones Machine is scarorism for paytriots. Catch up before you make such statements. Read ALL twelve parts of this site, then get back to us.

    http://www.alexjonesmachine.com

    (Thank you Bro N, peace be with all of us.)

  203. Hi December 10, 2009 @ 6:13 am

    @Katman

    It was the English who burned Joan at the stake.

  204. Fr. Joseph December 10, 2009 @ 11:16 am

    Let’s get something STRAIGHT, once and for all, regarding the Bishop of Rome’s ‘INFALLIBILITY’.

    The Successor to the Office of St. Peter is ‘INFALLIBLE’ when he speaks out IN PUBLIC, that is to the entire Church, while specifically declaring he is making an ‘INFALLIBLE’ statement regarding the Doctrine, Dogma, Faith or Morals of Christ’s Own Church.

    Christ Jesus - God Incarnate Himself - He HIMSELF declared St. Peter was ‘INFALLIBLE’ when he spoke out a DOCTRINE under the INSPIRATION and DIVINE GRACE of God the HOly Spirit to and for the sake of ALL CHRISTIANS down through the centuries:

    “Who do people say the Son of Man is?’ And they said, ‘Some say he is John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.’ ‘But YOU,’ He said ‘Who do YOU say I Am?’

    “Then SIMON PETER spoke up, ‘You are the Christ,’ he said, ‘THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD!’

    “JESUS replied, ‘Simon son of Jonah, you are a happy (blessed) man! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you BUT MY FATHER IN HEAVEN…et al” - Matthew 16:14-20

    The Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Divine Truth.

    The Holy Spirit ENLIGHTENED St. Peter to give back to Jesus, to the Apostles and disciples in attendence, an ‘INFALLIBLE’ Doctrinal-Dogmatic Answer regarding the Divine Indentity of Who Jesus Is!

    That is what the Catholic Church defines as the Successor of the St. Peter, the Bishop of Rome, the holder of ‘The Keys’, as possessing the ‘Gift of INFALLIBILITY’.

    The Bishop of Rome, when he is to speak to the entire Church in the capacity of ‘ex cathedra’, announces he is going to make an INFALLIBLE statement regarding the Faith or the Morals of the UNIVERSAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH MILITANT here on earth.

    The Bishop of Rome has only spoken ‘ex cathedra’, that is INVOKING the Divine Promise of God the Holy Spirit to be INFALLIBLE in defining a Truth or Teaching of the Churhc, but only THREE TIMES.

    Research those THREE TIMES the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, has spoken ‘Infallibly’ - and let’s attempt to DROP THIS NON-SENSE of what people outside of the Catholic Chruch WANT TO MAKE OUT OF and WANT TO DEFINE as the Pope’s “Infallibility”, okay?

    Thank you.

    - Fr. Joseph

  205. Z.O.G. December 10, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

    He [Alex Jones] can drop the mad Southern, Americana good ol boy next door facade and go have some bagels with his handlers.

    LOL :lol:

  206. Jeffersonian-Anti-Israel-Socialist December 10, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

    Hello my friends: I agree with this article so much. I used to listen to Alex Jones shows, but he is not well intentioned. I don’t want to debate against his personal ideology or doctrine, because you know that in this world, there is a lot of sectarianism.

    But Alex Jones can even be labeled as a far-right wing, anti-black people, anti-spanish people and very racist, he is full of hatred against many groups, just like the zionist neocons. So even without knowing that Alex Jones works for zionists, one can see that he is not a humanist, and a loving person.

    But don’t worry, goodness, will conquer the dark forces of this world. And as you know the real Israel (The oppressed people of this world) with the help of Jesus and God will overthrow the satanic capitalist oligarchic fascist system in this world where a few live like kings, and billions in the planet are dying.

    God bless you all !!

    .

  207. Marshall December 14, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

    Hello everyone: This didn’t translate well into English but MERRY CHRISTMAS to all… (while it’s still legal to say so, hmm?)

    http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/moldovan-christians-tear-down-public-menorah-and-placed-a-cross-instead/comment-page-1/#comment-
    _________________________________________

    Moldovan Christians tear down public Menorah and placed a Cross instead
    Posted by Europe on Dec 14, 2009

    Religious scandal at Chisinau/Kishinev after a group of almost 100 devoted Orthodox Christians led by their priest tore up a Jewish Menorah on the day of Hanukkah.

    The Menorah was placed right next to the Stephen III of Moldavia statue (better known as Stephen the Great) Friday on December 11 by “representatives” of the Jewish community from the Moldovan Republic for Hanukkah celebration.

    The Christians pulled the Menorah and placed a Christian cross instead of it.

    “Placing a Jewish symbol next to the statue of Stephen the Great is an offense” said one of the leaders of the protest. “We are Orthodox Christians, we are a nation of Christians and Stephen the Great protected our nation from all kind Jews but Friday, they came here and placed their Menorah right in the middle of our square! This is a sacrilege! We can’t believe how our government allowed such a thing in a Christian nation!” said the priest.

    The priest then hold the Moldovan flag and shown it to the TV cameras: “The Cross here on our flag is our symbol, we will protect our nation with the holy cross! No Jew will oppress us in our own nation!”

    Jewish representatives informed all competent forums and the Moldovan Church.

    An old Jewish man said on TV: “This is unpleasant, its an act of xenophobia and antisemitism that never occurred in “our country” and they have to be stopped.”

    The police said they tried without success to convince the Christians not to pull the Menorah out and they didn’t wanted to oppress the Christians.

    Justice minister, Alexandru Tanase from Chisinau said that he will not tolerate such actions and that he will seek to persecute all Christians who don’t comply with their rules. He said that such actions are punishable by either a fine or 3 years imprisonment.

    To avoid further conflicts, the Jewish Menorah has been moved at the Monument of the Holocaust Victims, in another side of the city.
    VN:F [1.7.8_1020]

  208. anony December 15, 2009 @ 7:00 am

    Brother Nathaneal.

    Have you ever come across the name William “Bill” Cooper? This man was a Christian who exposed 9/11 two months before it happened, and was killed later that year. He also exposed scare monger Alex Jones.

    Alex Jones and David Icke are permitted to preach and “say the truth” to a certain extent. When it comes to Christianity they avoid it all together or bash it.

    Please check out the website http://www.hourofthetime.com/

    Much of this man’s legacy still lives on.

    He exposed the new age religion fallacy bull as well. His videos are posted on youtube but continuously removed here and there.

    By the way, would you happen to have any information on the H1N1 flu vaccine?

  209. anony December 15, 2009 @ 7:04 am

    I also wanted to bring to your attention a new vodka. A friend of mine sent the link to me last night and it made my blood boil.

    Take a look at the name itself.

    Definitely not made my an ethnic Russian but a Jew from Russia.

    No Russian would allow this to happen.
    A disgrace to everybody else.

    Babylonian Jewish Magic with Christian infants. Unbelievable.

    As soon as I get some more info on this, I will post it.

    http://englishrussia.com/?p=7054

  210. anony December 15, 2009 @ 7:07 am

    One of the people who commented on the vodka by the name of Conspiracy posted this.

    What’s wrong with this vodka?

    1. EZ Protocols is a reference to the Protocols of Zion
    2. The upside down star is a satanic pentagram with a circle.
    3. Satanism and Kabbalah are the same thing.
    4. Sacrificing newborns is a common theme in ritual abuse.
    5. “With Christian Infants” is a reference to St Simon of Trent, a Christian boy allegedly ritually murdered by Jews.

  211. Dick December 21, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

    Br. N,

    I’ve listened to Alex Jones for a long time and am afraid you’re right. But I don’t think his primary mission is to cover for Jews, but to promote the libertarian agenda, which is the Jewish strategy for blocking America’s return to the constitution.

    – I heard even you promote Ron Paul during his campaign, and most “truth tellers” have been taken in by his message, which I can only describe as luciferian. What do libertarians believe?

    • Government can’t do anything. We should destroy as much as we possibly can.

    • Any government service (social security, medicare, food stamps) is socialism, and should be stopped.

    • No man has the right to force another to do anything – hence, goodbye natural law and 10 commandments (this used to be called “anarchy” when Emma Goldman was yelling about it. Now we call it “the Constitution!”)

    • There are no economic rights, and no business deserves special protection from the government.

    FDR, who many “patriots” (you included) have accused of being a Jewish-controlled communist, drafted the economic bill of rights, which included, for example, the right of farmers to earn a living by selling their product, and to be protected from monopolies and unfair foreign competition. This is not only the very essence of why he, McKinley, Lincoln and JFK were assassinated; it is the essence of the Constitution and Matthew 20:21.

    You report about what can’t be posted on Alex Jones’ site. Try posting something critical of Ron Paul or libertarian economics and see what happens. Elite Jewry is not afraid of antisemitism, and they’re sure as heck not afraid of the “free market”, which organized private interests will always dominate.

    They’re afraid of mass political movements that nationalize control of money and strategic resources. It’s not communism, it’s the Constitution. That’s the key to understanding why Jones is where he is, and on what front he needs to be attacked – not which weekend days he does or doesn’t work.

  212. Marshall December 23, 2009 @ 10:12 am

    KOSHER NOSTRA LAW OF MOSER…has Alex been briefed? LOL
    ——————————————

    HALACHIC QUESTIONS
    Rabbi J. Simcha Cohen
    Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

    A Jewish Informer
    (In commemoration of the yahrzeit of HaGaon HaRav Yitzhak Hutner, z”l, 20th Kislev — December 19.)

    Question: Jewish law considers the crime of informing upon a fellow Jew a most vile and odious sin. Why? What is the nature of the sin of the informer (the mosser) that galvanizes such a negative reaction?

    Response: The Rambam rules that an informer is not to be deemed part of Klal Yisrael (Hilchot Mamrim 2:2). In another section, the Rambam notes that an informer is not to receive a share in the World to Come (Hilchot Teshuva 3:12).

    The rationale of the Rambam, says Hagaon Rav Hutner, z”l, is based upon the following theory: One who separates himself from the ways of the community (ha’poresh mi’darchei tzibbur) “even though he does not sin… has no share in the World to Come” (ibid. 3:11).

    Thus, separation from communal standards is tantamount to exclusion from the Jewish people.

    This, moreover, does not have to relate to any specific sin. Informing on Jews, contends Hagaon Rav Hutner, is an action that goes against the essence of Jewish communal standards. It is a behavioral pattern that is simply not Jewish. This is not what Jews do.

    As such, the informer (mosser) is excluded from Klal Yisrael because of his refusal to conform to the moral character of the Jewish people (Pachad Yitzhak, Pesach, Ma’amar 63:5).

    Rabbi Cohen is the Rav of the Mizrachi Kehilla in Merbourne and the author of several halachic works, the latest being “How Does Jewish Law Work?” (Jason Aronson)

    *************************************************************
    Rabbi J. Simcha Cohen’s article, “A Jewish Informer,” appeared on page 49 of the 19 December 1997 issue of The Jewish Press, 338 Third Avenue, Brooklyn, New York 11215-1897
    editor@jewishpress.com

  213. guy January 9, 2010 @ 5:53 am

    Alex Jones’ radio show is owned by Genesis Communications. Do you know who the owner of genesis communications is? None other than Adnan Khashoggi, a confirmed Mossad agent and Saudi Arabian Billionaire and Arms dealer.

    Now why on earth would a Saudi Arabian take interest in promoting Anti-Jewish propaganda or even moreso, sponsor a truth movement which points the finger back onto the American government?

  214. Mark January 26, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

    Is Alex Jones really the “late” comedian Bill Hicks, resurrected in an apparent inside operation to prop up a “good shepherd” to keep the patriots mentally herded?

    Look it up…

  215. Varsipi February 26, 2010 @ 12:42 am

    Michael K,

    Thanks for more good links and interesting comments.

    Will people wake up now that Alex Jones is on Sirius with the likes of Howard Stern?

    Just listen to AJ’s satanic bumper music, e.g., The Doors, Led Zeplin, etc., which is music produced by demonized Crowleyites, and if that does nothing to make people wonder, it’s beyond the point of no return.

    Bumper music is the bumper sticker of radio. This is what AJ lifts up to the world? Led Zeplin, The Doors? Ya, it’s so cool, but hell isn’t so cool after all.

    Churchian America has become, unbeknown to itself, a New Age Judeo-Masonic death cult.

    Good Fight Ministry did a great video documentary on the satanic roots of rock and roll; a clip is here:
    http://nosvid01.tripod.com

    Thanks to Bro. Nathanael for lifting up Jesus Christ and His cross instead of the sick culture we live in.

  216. austin April 9, 2010 @ 10:34 pm

    JaneDoenut hit the nail on the head.

    Alex Jones may very well be a prophetic fake Jew who may be in cahoots with the global elite, or even just their tentacles, but I would bet the die-hard Jones’ fans have similar personalities and, as with anything, need it do be symbolic of representing themselves.

    Although Jones may be a fake, or half fake, he does have a following that identifies themselves with him.

    Most people join social groups. I, for one, do not, and do all my research for myself.

    That’s what enables me to add good insight about this amazing world - even if I am praising a perspective I share with someone else.

  217. austin April 9, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

    And by the way:

    My first eye-opener was Loose Change.

    Then it was Alex Jones for a long while until he got really annoying and I realized Icould find a lot more interesting information without him, because he was covering the tip of the iceberg - and I mean the tip of the half of the iceberg that sticks out of the water.

    Nonetheless he did help open my consciousness. I hope the best for him as an individual, he is using the system to make money, so be it.

    I hope he does not intend to support an agenda that backs Americans fighting Americans, as this article suggests, because they can’t agree on who to go after first.

  218. Doug Wright April 15, 2010 @ 10:53 am

    This A.J. is a shill, I questioned his Zionism on his site and got a threatening letter to my email(given like here) by someone with a Jewish name (code name bestowed on A. Jax?)

    I read the ADL article, and while the group vilifies anyone as anti-Semitic, or ‘Jew-hating Hitler’ to just mention a ‘world wide conspiracy’ of any kind…Alex is not even equated with any of those epithets nor any mention of his relationship to Judaism or Zionism - so clear.

  219. Matt April 29, 2010 @ 2:26 pm

    I think it’s entirely plausible that AJ knows his radio show will get cut off the networks around the world if he even mentions “Jew” in a derogatory manner.

    Now, there are some questions I have about “who” he works for (hint, hint, FBI, etc) but I think his code for “Jews” is “NWO”.

    He would never be invited on Fox or any other mainstream media for that matter if he brought up the truth. Many countries around the world have hate speech laws and would ban his show, would censor his website, etc. He knows this.

    That’s my two cents.

  220. B.A. May 9, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

    Ultimately we won’t really know who is on who’s side until the bullets start to fly.

    Those who have played both sides will have twice the enemies. Those who help betray the American people will be brought to justice by force from the American patriot.

    Many people who know that there were no terrorist during 9-11 other than those who planned the event will be proven right. There were no planes and only missiles, and anyone saying this is on the side of the Zionist and traitor.

    Truth will always prevail and take down those who are deceptive. We will be prepared and awake.

  221. Grand Mother May 22, 2010 @ 2:10 am

    Brother Nathanael,

    May God Bless You with Glowing Health and and Radiant Disposition — woops, I see He already has : )

    You are my new best Friend !

    With Love’s Help, I Will Meet You On The Inside with the rest of the story. : )

  222. just a guy June 24, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

    To the person who posted the alleged quotes from Alex Jones, will you source each quote? I mean, I nor anyone can be expected to take your word for it if you post an un-sourced quote from just anyone.

    Here’s an example of an un-sourced quote…

    “I believe the world would be better off if all citizens of Montana be exterminated from our precious earth.” - Bill Clinton

    See how easy that was? That is obviously fake.

    So, in the interest of liable & slander, can commentors source the quotes from Alex Jones? They need to be either in audio or official print. Not from some opinion piece from an obscure website, but an actual respective article. Or like I said, from an audio or YouTube file.

    Thanks.

  223. Z.O.G. July 6, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

    just a guy,

    All of the quotations that I posted from Alex Jones are freely available to listen to in various audio and video clips on YouTube. ;)

  224. CDM July 8, 2010 @ 2:31 am

    They don’t like you quoting the Protocols over at PrisonPlanet that’s for damn sure.

    Deleting comments are the only way to refute the Protocols. Can’t actually have people reading them while pointing out the MULTITUDE of Neocon Jewish journalists calling for war with Iraq, Iran, etc, etc….

    Protocol No. 7
    UNIVERSAL WAR

    3. We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.

    4. The principal factor of success in the political is the secrecy of its undertakings: the word should not agree with the deeds of the diplomat.

    5. We must compel the governments of the GOYIM to take action in the direction favored by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly promoted by us through the means of that so-called “Great Power” - THE PRESS, WHICH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT MAY BE DISREGARDED, IS ALREADY ENTIRELY IN OUR HANDS.

    6. In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan….

  225. NiceLife August 8, 2010 @ 9:51 am

    # JaneDoenut December 2, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

    Regardless of who or what Alex Jones is, he has done much to waken the masses. Anyone who becomes a serious researcher quickly loses interest in him as they form their own subjects of personal interest.

    Although I don’t care for him nor his theatrical tantrums, I do give him credit. I know with 100% certainty that he played a big roll in my own education many years ago.

    —————————————-

    I totally agree!

    Even if its obvious that he avoids any Zionist facts, it is the last dot you have to connect yourself…

    All these empty phrases of Banksters/Elitists/Globalists are easy filled with names (100% pro-Zionist names) when you got into the topic and do your own research….

    Nevertheless, Alex’s films:

    1. LooseChange: An American Coup
    2. Endgame
    3. Fall of the Republic
    4. The Obama deception
    5. Invisible Empire: A New World Order Defined
    6. Police State4: The rise of FEMA

    These are vital to get the people into the topic! Even the stupidest can replace his Globalist Phrases by real names with a little research!

    Private owners of the FED:

    1. Rothschilds of London and Berlin
    2. Lazard Brothers of Paris
    3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy
    4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York
    5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany
    6. Lehman Brothers of New York
    7. Goldman, Sachs of New York
    8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York

    All of the above listed men are Jews.

    Note that ALL are also “foreign” with established headquarters in Europe even the ones in New York are only “branches” of European establishments.

    There are an additional three hundred people, approximately, mostly relatives, who hold stock or shares, and they comprise the ownership of this monster, the massive wealth of which is beyond man’s comprehension.

  226. Malcom August 16, 2010 @ 4:42 am

    Does it make any difference if AJ doesn’t talk about Zionism all the time?

    I mean his show exists to provide information. As long as the information is correct I’m OK with it. We all know what would happen if he mentioned the J-word or the Z-word (actually he does mention the Z-word).

  227. znachar September 9, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

    Jones was on my list a few years back, if I see his name promoted on any site there will be no visits.

    Boycott all sites giving him any positive mention.

    I’m certain most posters here know of G. Edward Griffin (The Creature from Jekyll Island).

    Take a look at his site freedomforceinternational:

    http://www.freedomforceinternational.com/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=hallofhonor&refpage=home

    Notice who’s at the top of the hall of fame list, even though he was not a member until well after the others.

    What’s up with this from Griffin???? Some more pieces to the puzzle.

  228. Tuulikki October 13, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

    “I mean his show exists to provide information.”

    Convenient, isn’t it? Until about now. He is shill 100%.

    This is what they are doing constantly, keeping people busy discussing yidda-yadda bulls–t, consuming their time.

    Alex Jones was perfect to introduce as a “shill” in the movement for truth so there is created this total confusion among listeners who actually should get off their lazy asses and do the real research on their own and publish it for broader access.

    Check out Josh Reeves, he looks legit at the moment if time for research is out of the question.

  229. Scotty November 3, 2010 @ 3:52 pm

    Good afternoon Brother Nathanael,

    I’m sorry it’s been so long since I’ve called or talked to you, but I could not handle Summit county any more.

    Joey, and I are very happy were we are at, and wish we could talk you into moving here. Email me and I will give you my Phone # .

    It’s cheap to live, the people are great, and it’s very beautiful.

    Joey and I miss and love you, Brother Nathanael.

    God bless and Kind Regards

    Scotty

  230. David January 1, 2011 @ 10:10 am

    I disagree.

    First of all, if you go to Jones’s websites, he has published a number of anti-Israel articles. And the ADL smear on him says nothing about Jones vis-à-vis Zionism or Jewish bankers.

    I think the ADL article on Jones proves even more that the ADL is controlled by the One World Government conspirators because of the fact that it does NOT mention anything of a Jewish nature in relation to Jones, it just whines about his exposing the NWO/OWG.

  231. Jim August 14, 2011 @ 3:15 pm

    Alex Jones is just giving you the outline (this was echoed above). You need to fill in the details yourself.

    The fact of the matter is that most people simply can’t handle the whole truth and need to learn in digestible stages.

    Everyone should read the following article:

    http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/NonToolbarTopics/Reconciling_Libertarianism_and_Nationalism/index.html

    Here is my theory how most whites with no exposure to nationalism should learn about the new world order and Zionism.

    Stage 1 (30% truth 70% lies) - The Glenn Beck level - exposes the false left right paradigm, excessively large federal government, but still gives disinformation for the most part.

    Stage 2 (non-nationalist libertarian leaning) (80% truth 20% lies) - The Alex Jones/ Aaron Russo level - Exposes most of the NWO agenda but still spews lies about who is mostly behind it and about the “holohoax”. This is probably the most important level for waking up the majority of people with potential to be woken up. At this stage, they may not be ready to incorporate nationalist thinking into their beliefs.

    Stage 3 (nationalist element) (80% truth 20% lies) - Takes a nationalist approach and exposes Zionists/Jews for who they are and their disproportionate role in the NWO (Dr. Pierce, Dr. Duke, and various other white nationalists). However, it often portrays nationalist “centralized” or “fascist” control as the solution. A strong central government is obviously not the answer (the founders were even smart enough to realize this). You can’t look at nationalism in a vacuum.

    Stage 4 Reconciliation - Reconciliation of stages 2 and 3 above. Acknowledging that libertarian decentralized control is for the most part a good idea, however, it does not accept mainstream libertarian views that “anarcho capitalism” (complete lack of government) is a realistic solution. During this stage, one will probably conclude that some government regulation is needed but that we should remain mostly decentralized (Articles of Confederation and even supported later by the Constitution).

    One will also look around and conclude that a strong racially homogenous people and equally nationalistic people is the best method for achieving such goals. This is what made the United States great for its first 50 to 100 years. Since then, we have lost sight of the nationalistic element. This element wasn’t always specifically mentioned by the founding fathers but was nearly always implied.

  232. fed Bilderberger new world order September 30, 2011 @ 5:43 am

    Alex Jones is a Fake Agent!

    http://www.bilderberger.ch

    Some news is good from him. But he is a rate agent. The Mossad pays the bills for him!

    I can’t trust him.

  233. shawn October 21, 2011 @ 12:06 am

    Brother Nate.

    We all love you very much. Bless your kind heart.

  234. FREE SPIRIT April 18, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

    By just looking at Alex Jones, anybody that knows how to observe features will notice his Zionist features which are the same as the features of a rat.

    I became aware of his features, and after researching him, learned that Jones is married to a Zionist imposter Jew. I still gave him the benefit of doubt, and since he testifies to be a Christian also, I reserve my right of judgment.

    As to his Christian conversion, Brother Nathanael is an ethnic Jew by his features, but an ex-Jew by religion and certainly not a Zionist Jew by his features. He does not have the features and looks of a rat.

    I choose to trust Brother Nathanael more, on the information he gives not only as a Christian believer, but as a real patriot.

    In my judgment, he is probably one of the 144,000 real Christian Jews that will be zealous to preach the Gospel to the real Israelites, so I know our living God and His living Word, Jesus Christ, will protect him together with the other 143,999 until the end of times.

    However, when it comes to Jones and Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, we know that the only way a blabber mouth can make millions just for moving his jaws, it has to be in the Zionist Jew payroll, since no Christian could afford to give so much money to someone just to deceive the mass, like they all do, including Savage, who is a Zionist Jew, and the idiot that calls himself “the great one,” MARK LEVINE.

    We should continue using their own websites to spread the word for the truth about real news from a real Christian, which is Brother Nathanael.

    At the end, everything will sort itself out when Jesus Christ comes back, and He knows better than anybody who His real childre are, and who are the sons and daughters of his Adversary (Satan).

    Our duty as believers is “the responsibility of Watchmen” who will continue to spread the truth to try to wake up all and as many as our Lord Jesus Christ permits us to wake up to the truth befor His coming.

    And the most powerful weapon we have is the the truth that is within us, and from the rooftops we have to make the world know that the real chosen people of God Almighty are the Christians, not the Jews, unless they repent and convert to Christ, and accept Him as Lord and Saviour of their lives and families.

    So we must continue moving forward without fear against the toothless lion, who tries to intimidate with his presence and deceptive lies. But the Spirit of God will continue guiding us into all truth.

  235. Ashrael May 4, 2012 @ 7:10 am

    Alex Jones’ wife is Jewish…… Try and mention “wife,” “Jew,” “Jewish” etc in a comment on his site — REMOVED.

    But I have to say that he had some part in my waking up, too, so thanks Alex, but I’ve outgrown you as well….

  236. Crankcase July 14, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

    It’s really funny.

    For as long as I’ve been listening to Alex Jones I’ve been wondering why he never mentions ‘Zionists’ or anything remotely connected with Jews, especially considering the plague of Zionist Jews that constantly pull the strings around every President elected since Nixon (maybe even before then if I dig deeply enough).

    And then I fall upon this website to realise the reasons behind it. No wonder Jones never criticises anything Jewish, why he’s constantly pushing an ultra-capitalist libertarian agenda.

    Strangely too he never links Communism to Jews, but rather to part of the Illuminati conspiracy, even though Jews have been the single most active race in leading the Marxist/Communist movement; he never highlights the Jewish banking links, its connections to Bolshevism and to its role in subverting mainstream political parties.

    It’s all just too obvious. Alex Jones is playing his part in the same game he accuses the Illuminati of doing - controlling all sides of the argument.

  237. George July 31, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

    Thank you, Bro. Nathanael for this excellent piece and for your work exposing Zionism.

  238. John Sholtes September 18, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

    I have been trying to post on the Alex Jones Articles and sometimes I actually got something in but had to disguise the word Jew, and if I ever put a link up had to leave spaces so they wouldn’t see it but within 20 minutes they wold find it and delete it.

    But now they never even let me post and when I do it seems like it appears and then when I log out I see that it only appeared to me but never got displayed.

    To sum it up Alex Jones exposes the Jew and blames the German, and even promotes continuing the Genocide on the German peoples.

    He continually rants on and on about Adolf Hitler and the Holihoax. A Few days ago he did have a Jew named Pieznick actually admit that Mossad was behind 911 AND HE SAID “BREAKING NEWS.”

    When I repeatedly tried to respond that this has been known for years and actually since 911 2001 when they talked about the dancing Jews, the spies, and truckbombs owned by the Mossad and repeatedly put links to 911 Q@A and 911 missing links. Of course he never let them appear.

    But today I posted a cut and pasted message from Real Jew News that links the assassination of Bill Cooper that I got here and my computer immediately got a virus shrinking everything so I couldn’t do anything.

    He definitely is a CIA Mossad Operative.

  239. Tom November 27, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

    Great article. Jones is totally controlled opposition.
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    ANTINEWWORLDORDER.COM
    LOVE, PEACE, TRUTH, FREEDOM!

  240. Tom December 20, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

    More on Alex Jones

    http://antinwo.com/ALEXJONES.html

  241. julianne January 2, 2013 @ 6:00 am

    I’m not sure about AJ either.

    But I don’t think he’s a sell-out. on the one hand is the idea that he is just not quite there yet in his understanding of how anti-Christian Zionists truly are.

    On the other hand, he is really really an alarmist. I believe if you look at the history, bad legislation and bills have been pushed through Congress, toward a police state, for a while now, many decades.

    And to me it seems like many Executive Orders that seem tyrannical are very repetitive in what they are trying to accomplish. It seems like they just keep passing the same laws until the public accepts it.

    So Alex Jones is not correct in his attitude. if I was him, I would be saying, OK here we go again….not this is oh so terribly urgent.

    I honestly believe, looking at the political events and happenings, etc, that the elites take us through cycles to try to change the public and at various points in the cycle they try to get us to go along with tyranny. And then they take whatever we give them (if anything) and go re-group for the next cycle.

    if i was AJ I would be approaching it like this, instead of all the emotional hooks. I believe this would help with waking people up in a more long-term way, instead of, “Oh here’s the next monster under the bed. Its very short-term thinking, low-level consciousness.

    So I’m not sure about him. He might just be the “announcer” that is so convincing that most people buy into it. He might be an innocent dupe who is playing into this, I don’t know.

    Only Alex Jones knows!! And the one TRUE LORD !!!

    :)

  242. anton January 5, 2013 @ 9:42 pm

    Alex Jones is Zionist.

    Zionists are all kind of people, like many ropes held by one hand, the Old Rome, and there cannot be anyone else instead of Rome but Christ.

    That means that Rome does fall when Christ is present, because there cannot be 2 kings, but only the One.

    And know Rome is the one side of the mountain but not the other side which connects with the bridge which is the Christ position…

  243. Joy Ann January 29, 2013 @ 7:49 pm

    My family cannot bear to listen to one word of Alex Jones and I listen to him for laughs since he is so full of himself it is unbelievable.

    The way he behaved on Piers Morgan showed that he is controlled, otherwise they would have literally threw him out right then and there. The way he behaves on his show as well he is controlled.

    If Alex were more real like what William (Bill) Cooper was he would be taken out as well a long time ago. Anybody who is intelligent can see right through Alex Jones.

    Nobody can infiltrate Bohemian Grove without being invited since that place is so heavily guarded because of the world’s leaders and other idiots who go there for their “anti-christ” behavior.

    Look at how Alex Jones behaved with David Gergen, and it shows so well that they were acting and that they know each other very well.

    Alex Jones knows all the big shots like Charlie Sheen and others. Charlie is protected and if he were not he would be gone a long time ago - taken out. These are all actors pulling the wool over the sheeples’ eyes.

    I haven’t laughed so hard in my life as to watch Alex and Piers go at it since I heard David Icke say that he was the son of God or God - something to that effect.

    Take it all as entertainment. Some things are real but not all of it.

    Stay focused and don’t buy anything that you don’t really need and trust only in the Good Lord and pray.

  244. Gregory Martyn March 10, 2013 @ 6:09 am

    Alex Jones is a fear monger. I have never trusted him. Now I know why.

    He is big into disinformation and seeks to mislead the American people.

    No wonder the Jewish media has never really gone after him.The Zionist shrill.

  245. Rotschild June 9, 2014 @ 10:27 pm

    Jones is a Bald faced Liar, William Cooper was spot on.

    Jones is a Shabez goi scumbag who offers pathetic fear mongering. It’s the Jew who is most fearful as his propaganda house of cards is crumbling.

    Walt Disney fought these scumbags for years. The Truth will ALWAYS WIN.

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