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Jewry’s Creation Of ‘White Guilt’

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- JEWRY’S CREATION OF ‘WHITE GUILT’ -
INTERVIEW WITH KEVIN MACDONALD PhD

By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2009

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DR KEVIN MACDONALD, AUTHOR, PSYCHOLOGIST AND HISTORIAN, is a Professor of Psychology at the California State University in Long Beach California.

Kevin MacDonald is a co-founder and participating journalist of the The Occidental Observer and The Occidental Quarterly, both dedicated to the preservation of the Euro-American white race, of which, international Jewry is attempting to destroy.

As the author of several books, Kevin MacDonald outlines Jewry’s quest to destroy White Christian culture through intellectual movements, politics, and the mass media. His masterwork, The Culture Of Critique, can be ordered Here. (Read The Review, Here.)

Kevin MacDonald also is the publisher of two of his own Websites: Kevin MacDonald Archives and the Kevin MacDonald Blog.

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Brother Nathanael Kapner: The Anti Defamation League (ADL) recently attacked you as “an anti-Semitic professor” who couches his views as “legitimate intellectual inquiry.”

They state that you argue that “Jews are a hostile elite in American society who undermine the country’s European heritage and traditions in an effort to destroy Europeans.” How do you respond to this?

Kevin MacDonald, PhD: My lode is as follows: I see conflicts of interest between ethnic groups as part of the natural world.

The only difference between conflicts between Jews and non-Jews compared to garden variety ethnic conflict stems from the fact that for over a century, Jews have formed an elite in various European and European-derived societies with a peculiar profile: deeply ethnocentric; adept at ethnic networking; wealthy and intelligent; aggressive in pursuit of their interests; prone to media ownership and the production of culture; and hostile to the traditional peoples and cultures of the societies in which they form an elite.

Br Nathanael: The ADL contends that your research provides “intellectual legitimacy to anti-Semitism.” What is your response?

Kevin MacDonald: Because Jews have wielded immense power as an elite that is vastly disproportionate to their numbers, anti-Jewish attitudes and behavior are to be expected when Jewish power conflicts with the interests of others.

To be more specific, the various themes of modern anti-Semitism all boil down to the Jewish role as a hostile elite whose attitudes and behavior are both self-serving and detrimental to the interests of the indigenous peoples with whom they reside.

This is evidenced by Jewry’s economic domination in many parts of Europe prior to World War II; cultural subversion via the Jewish role in the media and intellectual life (e.g. removing Christian symbols from public places); facilitating the displacement of native populations via mass migration into Western societies; dual loyalty because of Jewish sympathies with foreign Jews, especially Israel since 1948; and the history of Jews as a hostile elite in the USSR during the period when it became the most murderous regime in European history.

Since I believe that these propositions are intellectually defensible, and since these propositions, if believed by non-Jews, would cause them to attempt to lessen Jewish power and thereby further their own interests, it is indeed the case that my work could be said to provide intellectual legitimacy to anti-Jewish attitudes and behavior.

But this isn’t really any different from claiming that Zionist theories provide intellectual legitimacy to the dispossession of the Palestinians - or that Freudian psychoanalysis provides intellectual legitimacy to anti-Western attitudes. At the end of the day, what counts is whether indeed my writings are intellectually defensible.

WHITE IDENTITY DENIED

Br Nathanael: The Jewish front group, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which is heavily Jewish-funded, (including funding from George Soros’ Open Society), joined with the ADL in attacking you. Calling you America’s “scariest academic,” did they not try to get you fired from California State University in the spring of 2008?

Kevin MacDonald: The SPLC did want me fired, but there was no way the university could do that because I have tenure. They just made my life miserable and rallied the other faculty against me through countless meetings and statements. The LA Jewish Journal jumped on the ’stir’ in their cover story, “The Professor Anti Semites Love,” which highlighted the SPLC’s accusations against me. It has calmed down a bit, though there are still some faculty members who do everything they can to make life unpleasant for me.

Br Nathanael: It appears from your most recent writings, such as your essay exposing Jewry’s activities against white Americans, “The Utter Normality Of Ethnonationalism—Except For Whites,” that you have moved from being a dispassionate observer to an overt critic of Jewish collective behavior. Why the change?

Kevin MacDonald: As I noted, segments of the Jewish community have interests and behavior that conflict with my interests, of which, I am active in promoting.

For example, I firmly believe that Jewish neo-conservatives whose primary allegiance is to Israel have had a decisive influence on recent American foreign policy. Currently, even though Obama has pressed Israel to put a freeze on settlement expansion, the Jewish lobby has won out as agents for the Israeli government’s expansion in the occupied areas. Thus, I am actively engaged in an attempt to alter the intellectual and political climate in this country so that these sorts of things do not continue.

Being able to discuss the Jewish motivation as the main mover of our current foreign policy is, in my opinion, an important aspect of being able to change this policy to conform to what I think are in the interests of the great majority of Americans, including myself.

What I am doing is no different from the legions of Jewish academics who, as an aspect of their professional and personal identity, have vigorously pursued their ethnic interests by writing for mainstream publications, by promoting Zionist causes, and by attempting to change the intellectual and political climate of the U.S. in a way that furthers their perceived ethnic interests.

Their presence at elite universities and their access to prestigious publication venues, is an important basis of their influence. I am simply expressing, and with as much vigour, my own interests and those of numerous others.

AMERICAN JEWRY CREATES ‘WHITE GUILT’

Br Nathanael: In one of your essays from your book, Cultural Insurrections, Psychology And White Ethnocentrism, you alternate between the phrases, “implicit whiteness” and “white guilt.” Is there a connection between the two?

Kevin MacDonald: We must go back to what I mentioned earlier of how Jews in academia and in the media are prone to construction of culture. Herein lies the fundamental issues surrounding white ethnocentrism, and specifically, “implicit whiteness” and “white guilt.”

In a broader context, it has been the Jewish intellectual movements of the 20th Century that have effected a significant decline in the cultural influence of white Americans. These Jewish movements have infused into American life a culture of critique which assaults Western culture as being something deficient, something suspect, something replete with moral turpitude.

A prime component of the Jewish movements’ attack on white identity has been the pathologization of Gentile allegiances. In the Jewish-created culture of critique which now exists in America, these Gentile allegiances are looked upon as “racist,” and for all practical purposes, that is, Jewish purposes, “taboo.”

The leaders of these movements, such as Franz Boas in the field of anthropology and Sigmund Freud in the field of psychoanalysis, who identified themselves as Jews, have subjected white Christian culture to radical criticism while at the same time have Judaized that culture to the detriment, indeed, even to the fear, of white identification.

Br Nathanael: How then does “implicit whiteness” and “white guilt” come into play?

Kevin MacDonald: Despite the current cultural programming, white people are coalescing into what I term “implicit white communities” in multicultural America — communities that reflect their ethnocentrism but that “cannot tell their name.”

Why can’t they “tell their name?” They cannot explicitly state that their choice of neighborhoods derives from racial preference because that conflicts with the official racial ideology of the wider culture. Hence, the psychological response of “guilt,” specifically, “white guilt,” comes into play.

“Political correctness,” which now determines behavioral innocence or guilt, has been infixed into America’s collective consciousness by the powerful Jewish forces in the academic and media worlds. The discussion of issues related to white identity and interests has been shaped, controlled, and submerged by these two Jewish-dominated centers of power.

Br Nathanael: Do you have a solution to this dilemma facing white Americans?

Kevin MacDonald: White Americans have a daunting challenge before them. White flight, as part of the fragmented future that lies in store for our nation with high levels of non-European immigration, is insufficient for dealing with Jewry’s assault on our racial identity and allegiances. In attempting to find a way out of this morass, changing the explicit culture is critical.

Only courage and working together as “whites” for our specific interests and goals, which will naturally conflict with Jewish interests and goals, can make this a reality.

Order Kevin MacDonald’s Cultural Insurrections Here
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For More See: Jewry’s War On White America Click Here

And: The Jewish Conspiracy Behind The 1965 Open Immigration Law Click Here

And: The Jewish Debasing Of American Culture Click Here

And: “Jewification Of America” Articles Click Here


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  4. Louis Markos December 8, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

    Could you please expose Channukah as a fake holiday?

    The Jews NEVER defeated the Greeks in ANY war.

    They can’t even beat Greece in Soccer and Basketball.

    On the Rugrats TV Channukah Show the Greeeks were called an “EVIL RACE ”

    -Louie

  5. USSA=ZOG ECONOMIC GULAG December 8, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

    This site is great.

    Who needs to watch the evening lies/Khazar manipulation anyway-it’s all propaganda for an enslaving agenda. Anyone with an IQ over room temperature should see it’s all engineered hype probablly concoted in Tel Aviv and Arlington.

    I’m glad Professor McDonald is making a stand in the land of fruits and nuts in the most dense section of their pinko shrubbery out there-academia. These Communist Zionist academics have warped way too many Western minds. The West needs a return to a renaisance of Western centered life and enlightenment instead of all these fringe groups (i.e. Khazaes/”Jews”) pushing the agenda.

    This site gives a voice to the tired, stiffled Christian majority that’s sick of enslavement.

    I pray the bonders of humanity would be bound! If we could get the masses in the 501C3 Government Churches across America awake from their feel good, get rich, have fun stupor we could have a great chance of throwing off the ZOG bondage - until then the prospects for liberty seem to be realistically diminshing but some will ressit regardless.

    It should never come to that as we have the numbers-they don’t. The psychological bondage must be cast off the liberate the West from Khazarian oppresion.

  6. jgalindes December 8, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

    Great interview!

    The problem of Jewish culture manipulation/fabrication is universal.

    Prof. MacDonald’s work fits nicely into many other world realities not only the “American white interests.”

    It’s quite different to undertake an intellectual research-oriented defence of one’s race than gratituously insult and denigrate others with derogatory segregating expressions.

    Jewish intromission in other countries’ inmigration laws and/or culture formation, had changed permanently the balance of extensive national groups to the direct benefit of the Jewish minority (Argentina et al.)

    Congratulations Br. Nathanael and please take care on your street evangelism.

  7. Jeffrey Monheit December 8, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

    Hi Louie,

    Raised as a Jew myself I am now like Brother Nathanael exposing Zionism, the people behind the New World Order and the things they are doing (to us).

    I can tell you that I am very unusual for my kind, a true phil-Hellene! Not a hypocrite like all those Jews who claim to be friends of the Greeks. Others can vouch to back my claim.

    Thank you for the heads up about Rugrats regarding that comment. I will pass this along to my Greek friends so that they can complain and I can further expose the agenda of the Zionist “Jews” who run our mainstream media. The Greek people need a much stronger lobby in America to defend their interests.

    ZHTO H ELLHNISMOS! ZHTO O PONTOS! ZHTO H ORTHODOXIA!

    Greetings,
    Jeffrey

  8. USSA=ZOG ECONOMIC GULAG December 8, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

    Brother Nathanael,
    Thank you for bearing witness to CHrist and His Sovereign mercy to all of us sinners.

    As a suggestion:
    Covering Khazary/”Jewry” control of society by the prolific use of the “legal” system would be interesting. By this I mean the mass proliferation of laws annually, bureaucratic collectivist organizations (ABA,ATLA, Bar Associations, etc.), Big Brother Codes (Model Penal Code, Uniform Code of Military Justice, Uniform Probate Code-I had read somewhere that the Rockefeller mixed Khazar creeps had produced much of these “Uniform” Codes at the University of Sickcago(CHI) via their academic foundation underlings).

    Anyway the legal system is a burden to liberty and restoration of the rule of law in the USSA. Fredric Bastiat;s “The Law” is a relevant philosophical resource- http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html)

    Common sense would tell an individual that the “legal” system is organized Jewrys tool to control, confuse, and confiscate otherwise peaceable and practical means. Reading the Judicial revisionists opinions of this era is like reading the Talmud-and it’s very unlikely that the obfuscated, terse, menacing tone of it all as a subversion of the individual to a greater system of controllers is coincidental.

    To summarize my sentiment-

    “While the legislature is in session no man’s life, liberty, or property is safe”-Judge Gideon Tucker

    “Lex Mallum Lex Nulla- A bad law is no law at all”.

    Support jury nullification- http://fija.org/
    Oppose the Zionazi police states government courts!

    Always remember Bro. Nathanael -
    You are a beacon of hope to this era.

    You are in my prayers.

  9. Nicolae December 8, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

    Moscow Rejected US Request To Recognize A Jewish State
    By
    politicaltheatrics
    Published: December 6, 2009
    Moscow Rejected US Request To Recognize A Jewish State

    The Haaretz newspaper said on Friday that Moscow refused an American overture calling on the international quartet to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and give it the right to annex the major settlement outposts in the West Bank to its borders.

    The newspaper said that US secretary of state Hillary Clinton proposed during telephone calls a week ago with the quartet members to issue a joint statement in this regard.

    According to the newspaper, the statement was already prepared by the American administration and called for resuming the negotiations without preconditions in order to reach a peace agreement achieving the Palestinian’s goal of having an independent state on the 1967 borders, but with Israel keeping its major settlements in exchange for compensating Palestinians by giving them other lands.

    The statement also called for fulfilling Israel’s dream of a recognized Jewish state with secure borders, but the Russians rejected this text and considered that the reference to future borders would determine the results of negotiations in advance. They also refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

    The newspaper quoted a senior US official as saying that his American administration refrained from publishing the statement because of the absence of consensus in the quartet committee.

    For its part, the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper said that the visit of Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman to Moscow ended without achieving results after the failure of the Russian-Israeli governmental committee to narrow the gap in contentious issues.

    Different Russian media outlets also said that the pleasantries exchanged between the two parties were aimed to cover up the failure of Lieberman’s visit.

  10. norseman December 8, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

    AMERICA 2009 is GERMANY 1930 - First part

    Kevin McDonald is a courageous man and should be awarded a REAL peace Nobel Prize (not the highly politicized one that will be handed over in Stockholm in a few days).

    The US in Anno Domini 2009 closely resembles Germany in the thirties. At that time, Jews more or less owned Germany. In 1925 Jews were just 0.87% of the total population of 62.5 million, but happened to control every aspect of German life. For example we can cite the Jewish percentage in different areas:

    -66.7 % of the general administrative council of the German federal bank (Reichsbank) and all three members of the Central Council (100%) between 1925 and 1929 were Jews.

    -Almost all private banks belonged to Jews, just to name the most important: Arnhold, Behrens, Warburg, Bleichröder; Mendelssohn, Goldschmidt-Rothschild, Dreyfuß, Bondi und Maron, Aufhäuser, Oppenheim, Levy, Speyer-Ellissen, Heimann and Stern.

    -49.9% of metal works and companies, 39.4% of textile companies, 22.7% of cereal companies were in Jewish hands.

    -51% of the members of the largest German Industry and Commerce chamber were Jewish, including its president and five vice-presidents.

    -61% of motion film producers and 53% of directors were Jewish in 1931.

    -Both largest printed media companies, Ullstein and Mosse, were founded by Jews and largely under their control.

    -22% of the social-democratic and 15% of the communist member of parliament were Jewish. In 1932, 33% of the social-democrat MP’s were Jewish.

    -30% of all lawyers, 33% of all notaries, 13% of all medical doctors and over 30% of all professors of Medicine, Philosophy and Law were in 1931-1932 Jews.

    You can check the statistics, carefully researched by F.K. Wiehe at: http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/germany_jewish_question.htm or a summary at http://www.rense.com/general59/sdom.htm

    Also the heroic Benjamin Freedman spoke in length about this issue: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm

    Any German that lived this period will confirm the view that Germany was almost totally in Jewish hands, and that native German population was discriminated and treated as second class in their own country.

    The rest is history.

  11. norseman December 8, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

    AMERICA 2009 is GERMANY 1930 - Second part

    Is the overrepresentation of Jews in all power positions in Germany at that time a reflection of their superior intelligence or working capacity?

    No. Their foremost quality is a fanatic perseverance and the lack of any moral sense of right and wrong regarding the goyim. Through speculation, all kind of dubious businesses, their extensive networks and the help of big money from abroad they were able to conquer Germany.

    Was this a unique case in history? No, the same happened in 586 BC in Babylonia, in 70 AD in the Roman Empire (destruction of the temple), in 1290 under King Edward I. in England and in 1492 in Spain, just to name a few.

    The Russian Czars had to keep the Jews in check in the late 19th and early 20th century, until Russia was effectively taken over by the Jews during the Bolshevik revolution (see http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html ).

    So, the million-dollar-question is: will the Jews be expelled from America now? For their power in America now is even greater than the power they wielded in the German Weimar’s Republic.

    Maybe the Russian example can illustrate what may happen next. The Bolsheviks took over Holy Russia and, mostly under their Jewish executioners Trotsky-Bronstein, Zinoviev-Apfelbaum, Dzerzhinsky-Rufin, Radek-Sobelsohn and later the infamous Kaganovitch, the greatest persecution of Christians in history took place.

    Tens of millions of our brothers and sisters in Christ were executioned, starved to death, sent to the Gulag or killed in any other way by the Bolsheviks. This terror regime lasted for more than 70 years and engulfed nearly half of our planet…

    However, one of the secrets of the Jews is that they appear even more powerful than they really are. They want us believe that they are invincible, that we cannot event think about resisting without being instantly destroyed. This “we are a mad dog” strategy is what they apply in Israhell, were they even speak of unleashing a nuclear war if they see themselves corralled (“the Samson option”).

    “For fear of the Jews” - How often do we read about this in the New Testament! They persecuted and had our Lord Jesus Christ crucified, they persecuted and killed most of the Apostles, they incited the Romans to persecute and kill the early Christians.

    But, you know…JESUS CHRIST TRIUMPHED OVER THE JEWS AND THEIR MASTER - SATAN!

    Yes my brothers and sisters, many of us will be persecuted, have our jobs cancelled, thrown in prison, even killed. But this will happen to bear witness for our Lord, and martyrdom will bring us eternal life…

    There is actually nothing to fear, for:

    “You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. BUT NOT A HAIR OF YOUR HEAD SHALL BE LOST.” (Luke 21, 16-18)

    Heroes like our Brother Nathanael and Professor Kevin McDonald are the spearhead, the ray of light that will kill the Hydra of Darkness. God be with you all!

  12. Michael K. December 8, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Freud once said that the Irish were the only race impervious to psychoanalysis. Perhaps this meant that you just can’t change a true Irishman into a Jew. You cannot guilt, condemn or hypnotize him out of his nationalism and his Christianity.

    Frankly, there is ample evidence to conclude that they outright stuffed the ballot boxes during the recent Lisbon treaty vote, and the Irish story is not over.

    MacDonald is a Scottish name, and for all the differences maybe the same underlying truth exists for the Scots. They remember who they are and where they came from. It was a Jew-bought Parliament that supported Cromwell against the legitimate Catholic monarch Charles I, and Jew money that financed Cromwell’s New Model Army.

    Scotland certainly has been a social engineering laboratory for Tavistock’s Freudian Jews to experiment on dissolving ethnic identity. Of course, nothing is a better solvent than heroin, pornography and whiskey so there is plenty of all three going around. Demoralization, I think it’s called.

    Let’s just say that I find MacDonald “intellectually defensible”, because as he points out, all we are talking about is an ethnic group having a lobby and some sense of morale.

    If Whites don’t hang together, we should be able to see that what awaits us is death or worse.

    And if Whites don’t unite around Christ, our unity will be worth as little to the Earth as that of the Jews.

    White ethnocentrism without Christ will result in more Luciferianism. White unity thus has to be achieved as Christian unity in order to fulfill it’s inherent destiny.

  13. Hoff December 8, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

    @ Br Nathanael. Darn proud to be on the same list as you!

    Ctrl + F = Hoff, Real Zionist News.

    This is how you know that you are among the righteous Ladies and Gentlemen, the Jews write you up at their “Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening” S***T-list.

    hatedirectory.com/hatedir.pdf — November 1, 2009

    http://hatedirectory.com/hatedir.pdf

  14. Hoff December 8, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

    Jews on the Jews Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening S***T list. Some 8.ooo Jews.

    http://www.masada2000.org/shit-list.html

  15. Hoff December 8, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

    WHAT the Jews do, WHY the Jews do it and, HOW the Jews do it.

    Five minute videos with transcripts.

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/the-enemy-within-the-jew/

  16. Sousa December 8, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

    A very interesting website exposing some psychotropic weapons of the Illuminati and more:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/

  17. Ben December 8, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

    Interesting link by Sousa (above).

    Here’s another one:

    http://www.propheticimagery.com/Nakblinka%20Book/Index.htm

  18. James B. Philllips December 9, 2009 @ 12:56 am

    Roman Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson is presently facing a criminal trial in Germany for “racial incitement” supposedly caused by statements he made concerning what has come to be known as the so called Jewish Holocaust.

    Just imagine. The bishop actually had the gall to question the official and most “sacred” Six Million Mostly Gas Chamber Victim Version. For this monstrous and most unthinkable crime the SOS wants more than just a pound of his flesh.

    His Excellency has a weekly column which goes out to all e-mail subscribers of same. One may subscribe free of charge by a simple request sent to dinoscopus@gmail.com.

    Bp. Williamson’s column of November 9, 2009 is centered around Professor’s MacDonald’s article regarding the Frankfurt School. Allow me to quote verbatim the entire first paragaraph of the Bp. Williamson’s column as seen between the asterisks:
    ********************************************

    ELEISON COMMENTS CXXII (Nov.7, 2009) : FRANKFURT SCHOOL.

    Valuable lessons for all friends or lovers of “Western civilisation” are to be culled from an analysis of the USA’s leftwards lurch in the 1960’s by a Californian Professor of Psychology, accessible at http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-WheatlandII.html. Professor Kevin MacDonald is there reviewing the critique of mass culture in a book on “The Frankfurt School in Exile”.
    ********************************************
    Subsequent to this column I contacted Professor MacDonald to inform him of it. At the same time I requested that he consider signing his name to the petition in support of Bishop Williamson which can be found at http://petitions.tigweb.org/FSSPX. (If for any reason that link doesn’t work one may simply run a search using “Bishop Williamson petition.”)

    I received a prompt and kind reply back from Professor MacDonald thanking me for the information and at the same time informing me that he had just signed his name at the petition site which can easily be confirmed by anyone who visits the site.

    I repeat here the request I put to Professor MacDonald. Please consider adding your name to the petition in support of Bishop Williamson. More importantly, please pray for him at a time when he is apparently being shunned by so many — even those who should be giving him their strongest fraternal support.

    In Jesus Christ our King and Mary our Queen,
    James B. Phillips

  19. Hoff December 9, 2009 @ 5:50 am

    The whole Jewish conspiracy is easy to understand and do not need to be dressed up in fancy academic vocabulary.

    Anything that is bad for white people we Jews promote.

    ls race mixing bad for white people? We Jews promote race mixing.

    ls unlimited immigration from all 3-world countries into all white countries bad for white people?

    We jews promote unlimited immigration from all 3-world countries into all white contries in the world.

    ls homosex bad for white people? We Jews promot homo sex.

    Take any issue that is bad for white people and you find Jews promoting the whole issue wholesale.

  20. Hoff December 9, 2009 @ 5:52 am

    ln essence, what’s good for the Jews is bad for the white people (and all people) and the Jews always promote what is good for the Jews, first and last.

  21. arjan December 9, 2009 @ 7:55 am

    Thank you BN,

    I hope all Christians will unite against the sick Jewish mind control we live under. I signed the petition for bishop Williamson.

  22. Skip Baker December 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am

    In case you ever wondered, here is the list of people murdered by the Anti-Christ Jews for knowing too much about their involvement in the murder of JFK:

    Dorothy Kilgallen
    Earl T. Smith
    Earlene Roberts
    Rose Cheramie
    Hank Killam
    Robert Perrin
    Betty MacDonald
    Bill Hunter
    Tom Howard
    James Koethe
    Deliah White
    David Ferrie
    Eladio Cerefine de Valle
    Mary Stults Sherman
    Lt. Paul Dyer
    Capt. Frank Martin
    Gary Underhill
    William Waters
    William H. Cooper

    18:24 “And in her was found
    the blood of prophets, and of
    saints, and of all that were
    slain upon the earth.”

    Skip
    www.skipbaker.com

  23. Fr. Joseph December 9, 2009 @ 9:20 am

    Private Ownership of nations’ Central Banks results in the “Elite’s Concetration of Power” in and across ALL continents of our World, Europe, Eurasia, Africa, Asia, the Americas.

    It simply a Global Game of “Financial Nepotism”.

    Have “The Natives” of Europe, Asia, Eurasia, the Americas do the MANUAL LABOR in building up their Society’s ability to generate TANGIBLE WEALTH in the form of an agricultural base, an industrical base, with associated infrastructures to house ‘The Natives’ who, in turn, wind up producing goods and services necessary to and for the continuance, comfort and convenience of simply living the ‘natural life’.

    Privately own a ‘Central Bank’ by which one issues ‘FIAT CURRENCY’ to be used by ‘The Natives’ of their nations upon any of our planet earth’s land-mass continents.

    Issue untold billions upon billions of your Fiat Currency in the form of NUMBERS ascribed/assigned to Banking Accounts - private and corporate - to your ‘Like-Minded Tribesmen and Tribeswomen’ who, in turn, go off an buy controlling stock blocks of the manifold types of Corporations by your fellow ‘Like-Minded Tribesmen and Tribeswomen’ - and VIOLA! - your fellow ‘Like-Minded Tribesmen and Tribeswomen’ are ASSIGNED their respective “overlordship” over and amongst ‘The Natives’ of European, Eurasian, Asian, American Continent nations and countries.

    “The Jews” ONLY have such ‘Corporate Power’ on account of the PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK OWNERS ensuring that their Fiat Currency ‘Cash-Investment Capital’ get funnelled to their ‘Like-Minded Tribesmen’s’ accounts.

    That’s all that is to it - to ‘Take Over The World’ - pull FIAT MONEY our of Thin Air, ensure YOUR OWN like-minded Tribesmen get it - and off they go in order to buy up and control the tangible wealth generating capacities, human labor and natural resources of ‘The Natives’ of Europe, Eurasia, Asia, America and the entire World.

    If all the KHAZARS with their railings of “anti-semitism” and their Talmud LIKE the idea of ‘Enslaving Mankind’ via Fractional Reserve Fiat Currency Banking Practices - then we have a MORAL and SPIRITUAL problem going on all across this World of ours created by THE LOGOS and His Love for all of Mankind.

    THE LOGOS reserves to Himself the Divine Right TO ALTER, TO IMPEDE, TO RESTRAIN the actions and activies of the individual members of the Human Race to whom He has granted a ‘Free Will’.

    Once the Bishop of Rome along with ALL the Catholic Bishops of Europe, Eurasia, Asia, Africa, the Americas FINALLY ADMIT to themselves

    “Enough Is Enough!”

    of this preposterous use and utilization of THE LOGOS’ planet earth and the Human Race created in His Image and Likeness as well as all of the manifold types of NATURAL RESOURCES He, as God, has placed in and on our planet earth - and the Bishops of the Catholic Church perform that long-overdue public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Own Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions and Instructions - then THE LOGOS will use His Divinity and His Divine Powers on, with and over ALL of these who have ‘Sold Out The Human Race’ for their particular amounts in and on their own Private Accounts in the Central Banker’s Ledger Books.

    It’s ALL very, very simple.

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is religious and theological. It is either God or atheism.”
    - U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur -

    - Fr. Joseph

  24. Fr. Joseph December 9, 2009 @ 9:33 am

    I don’t make this stuff up.

    “An Example of Banking Philosophy”

    http://michaeljournal.org/bankphilo.htm

    “My People PERISH for want of knowledge.”
    - Hosea 4:6

    - Fr. Joseph

  25. Wilson December 9, 2009 @ 10:08 am

    How correct to explicitly assert that theirs is a psychological control. In the final analysis, all tyranny is.

    -Why do you think after all [with their overt, patent antagonism] Judaism/Israel spends so much money on AIPAC, the SPLC, CMAJC, PNAC instead of conventional investments in manufacturing of goods and weaponry, etc?-

    For example, although slavery was attempted on the Native Americans, if slavery was to ensue the importation of slaves to America was required because the Native Americans, at the time, refused to be enslaved. This I mention to illuminate the psychology that springs from a given mindset, which I believe can change. (Blacks were conditioned by pre-existent slavery among themselves, although I do at the same time believe racial groups have unique qualities.)

    The incessant immolation of Americans and American culture by the Jews certainly has momentum and cumulative qualities. Witness the patently absurd double standards applied to Jews in the courtroom, movies, in policy and on television. They are by no means simply defending themselves; they are actively putting us, and our God down in the most impudent ways. They have even managed to make criticism of them for their criticism of us blasé.

    Despite even regularly insulting God in the mediasphere, it bears mentioning that the wisdom of mass immigration from their perspective is borne out because we see very little defense from among new immigrants of either American spiritual and cultural richness or political broadmindedness, as the Jews have created the living myth that indigenous Americans are their enemies despite the fact that any casual normative observation will show that White Americans adapt, from off the streets of destitution and hopelessness immeasurably more children of different races from America and around the world that Jews could conceivably boast of. The Jews have charity, but charity to themselves alone (which is really conceit).

    This is very serious and something must be done. I agree wholeheartedly that it must be addressed within our psychology, culture, and identity. We must, one way or another in the final analysis, refuse this slavery.

  26. Michael K. December 9, 2009 @ 11:46 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    Apropos to the evolving discussion here. I want to contend with the notion that those advocates of the White race and opponents of Judaism are inherently Nazis. I am a follower of Curt Maynard’s blog, and although we often disagree, I still respect his integrity.

    Recently he posted a video honoring the Wehrmacht and more or less praising Hitler and Naziism. I think Curt Maynard is well meaning, but is under the impression that the “enemy of an enemy is a friend”, and it’s an easy mistake to make. Trying to negotiate my way through this apparent obstacle of spurious logic, I came up with what I think is a universal answer to the question:

    Dear Curt,

    I’ve given the whole Hitler thing some more thought, and I’m going to be honest. Hitler is not where it’s at and here’s why:

    The annals of history are replete with evidence of the conflict between Rome and Germania. Although Rome’s legions were much like the Wehrmacht, the greatest fighting force ever seen in their day, they never successfully held territory captured north of the Danube river from the Germans.

    And although Rome accepted German mercenaries in its ranks, Roman government was never accepted by Germans, as its root underlying presumptions were the antithesis of German national identity and customs.

    The Germans were governed by tribal gatherings of free men who listened to their royal aristocracy speak and then banged spears on shields, making a ruckus which signaled approval. Their leaders, failing to obtain this consent, had no binding authority over the free men of the tribe. This is the lineage of the superlative Anglo-Saxon system of self-government.

    Roman authority, by contrast, was absolute and was enforced against the will of individual subjects and enemies, most of whom had no stake in the process of government. The very real popularity of men like Julius Caesar with the governed did nothing to alter the absolutely authoritarian nature of Roman rule.

    The term “Third Reich” is an explicit reference to Roman tradition. The heraldry of the Wehrmacht was clearly evocative of that of the Roman Legions, so much so that I don’t see any room for argument on the subject. The Third Reich was thus not in the German tradition, but superimposed upon it, the historical intermediate step being the Holy Roman Empire, the Second Reich.

    The symbolic validity of Hitler as Caesar and Germany as revived Rome seems apparent when taken in context historically. This way of being is contrary the Germanic volk spirit, not an expression of it. By honoring Hitler and the Nazis you appear to me to honor the imposition of an alien system of government on the German race, one which through its total authority negated the Christian German spirit of individualism and personal responsibility.

    You know that I well agree with you that certain National Socialist economic models of protection and trade are legitimate and beneficial, and it is a matter of historical fact that America grew to greatness under such tariff and trade protection. That is because every nation has to look out for its own, favor its own and promote its internal well being by imposing just discrimination at its borders and ports.

    But the model of government which closely approximates the dictatorship of the Caesars, with all its abuse and trampling of the individual’s moral dignity is anathema to who we really are.

    Further, the Moriah, the Illuminati, the Talmudic inner elite, they all exalt in the Roman model whereby rulers take on the unlimited power of Gods who walk the Earth. When you encourage the emulation of the Third Reich, you are not serving our Germanic racial interests, but instead carrying water for an anti-Christ beast system.

    In the name of God Curt, beware of this terrible peril. I know you would lay down your life to rid our people of the Jew parasites, and that is noble beyond the average man. But evil is a contagious disease, and when we oppose it with evil, then it infects our souls.

    We must unite around the Cross, the Savior of Mankind. Then when we struggle, we struggle not just against flesh by in the spiritual realm as well. We must honor principles above pragmatism or we will be destroyed from the inside.

    There is no other battle worth fighting, and if you die fighting for goodness in the spirit and the true freedom of Man, then God may save your soul and make you his soldier in heaven as a reward for both moral courage and loyalty. This is like Valhalla but it is beyond it. Obey Caesar and die for Caesar once. Obey Christ and you will fight at his side in eternity.

    Note: I hope sincerely that our youth who are aware that the Jews were very responsible in the previous calamity will take heed of this letter and find the narrow path between the Jews and the Nazis that we must follow to avoid both and yet continue on.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  27. charlie December 9, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

    Regarding banking, who was it on here or was it somewhere else who said or quoted someone else to the effect that a bad law is no law at all.

    Therefore all debt to central banks (Jews) owed by governments, that is, the people is null and void - why can’t people see that?

    Also private interest on debt is also null and void as this is illegal in Christian culture.

  28. Patrick Sullivan December 9, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

    So called “White consciousness” is merely a false reality that has been installed into peoples Minds to disguise the motives and aims of the more predatory members of our species.

    Our elite seek to perfect their predator relationship upon us and employ any gimmick that can be used, to separate us from our shared interests; the main one of which is to to be able to cooperatively access the resource base to claim the things we need to live.

    War and rascism are tools used to reduce and destroy the bargaining power of labor. Our predator elite spend vast amounts of both time and money to disguuise the true value of labor.

    The intelligence agencies are tasked with fomenting division between groups. It is at root a Master slave relationship that we are dealing with. Master uses his slaves to assault other poor people to hinder and prevent the appearance of Peace for all the people.

    Master knows from reading history that the slaves always figure it out, and make short work of Master and his crew. Master got his hands on nuclear weapons and decided it was time for us to go away and not shout into his ears any more. That is why we face tens of thousands of nuclear weapons with many sitting on hair trigger alert.

    We are one race, the Human race. When we all agree, then the war machine and the prisoner of war camp that the central bankers have installed upon us, will be shut down.

    “Displace the economic authority.”

    Remove the central bankers from the equation first, and then we will be able to have a smooth shut down of their nuclear war fighting machine.

    We must insure that there is adequate funding to allow us to humanely institutionalize the more troublesome of our elite.

    When their great grandparents made the decision to build tens of thousdands of nuclear weapons to use on us, they were not fooling.

    We shouldn’t either.

    Racism and many of the other “Isms” are tools use to seperate us from our shared common interests, the most important of which is Peace.
    .

  29. Hi December 9, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

    If Israel were about a homeland for refugees or a return to the Holy Land or a peace phillic democratic society that would be understandable for most people. What is not understandable is how the politics of that state dominate politics around the world trumping the national interests of many sovereign countries.

  30. jgalindes December 9, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

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    Pay $535 to challenge your “preconceived racial assumptions” about white people, but only $80.00 to be informed of the wonderful Jews.

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  31. Hoff December 9, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

    “Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1132797.html

    “Do ZIONISTS/ISRAEL Control the U.S. Government ?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhS6B9U13aY

    “Carter: “US Candidates MUST do as Israel says” ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F583p_KZyGU

  32. Norseman December 9, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

    Dear Michael K.,

    You touch an important and equally spiny matter when referring to Hitler and the Third Reich.

    It is hardly possible to discuss about this matter in AD 2009, too much indoctrination has been brought upon us, it is hard to find the way through the lies…

    However: Hitler was a product of his time. On the one hand we cannot forget that Germany fought against the combined forces of organized Jewry, Bolshevism and Freemasonry. Hitler also returned hope to the humiliated Germans, and achieved an economic wonder by means of German work.

    Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933, many years before any Jew was persecuted (which they were). See: http://www.biblestudysite.com/judeawar.htm

    Samuel Untermeyer, a very influential American Jew, declared a “Holy War” and a boycott against Germany in July 1933 (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm).

    On the other hand, National Socialism was an over-reaction to the Jewish domination of Germany (see my earlier posts). It contained two critical aspects which we have to be VERY CRITICAL of:

    1-The racial matter, born as an over-reaction to Jewish racism, was COMPLETELY FOREIGN TO THE GERMAN SOUL. As a matter of fact, it was closer to the Jewish way of thinking! Germans never were racists, they interacted with Romans, Slavs, Turks often in peaceful terms and granted rights to the Jews they could only dream of in other countries. When Germans lived in other countries, they either integrated totally (like in North America) or they lived in harmony with the native population (like the Volga-Germans in Russia). What a difference to the Jews, who only try to conquer and dominate their host nations!

    2-National Socialism was not a Christian movement, as a matter of fact, it inherently has many aspects linked to Nordic Paganism. It attempted to install their own German or Aryan “gods”. Many perceived Christianism as a Jewish subvertion of the “old Germanic” soul. What would St. Bonifatius say, who fell the sacred tree with his own hands, so that the Germans would believe?

    Personally I think that this was the ultimate cause of the debacle of National Socialism. IF YOU ARE NOT WITH JESUS, YOU ARE AGAINST HIM, EVEN IF YOU FIGHT AGAINST SOME OF HIS ENEMIES.

    The lesson for us is: only through Jesus Christ we will be redeemed, without him we fall. And: to defeat the Jews and their pawns we do not have to become like the Jews ourselves! The temptation is big to combat fire with fire, to “drive out demons with Beelzebub”.

    In a way, the Jews are the “whip of God”. You can only understand them in spiritual, not in racial terms. They are the ones destined to bring, by their evil deeds, the people of good heart back to Jesus Christ. As Goethe wrote in “Faust”: “IT IS PART OF THAT POWER WHICH WOULD THE EVIL EVER DO, AND EVER DOES THE GOOD”.

  33. Norseman December 9, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

    Dear Hoff,

    I find the “hate directory” most useful to look for interesting websites!!

    This “Jew Index” is the best advertisement you can get!

  34. Brother Nathanael December 9, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

    Hi Everybody -

    I am considering doing another interview with Kevin MacDonald next week on an entirely different subject.

    Would you all like to see another “back to back” interview?

    Please let me know here on the Comments Section your feedback. +BN

  35. Brother Nathanael December 9, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

    Hi Everybody -

    I arrived in Tucson Arizona for Street Evangelism today at 12 noon, December 9 2009.

    I had lunch with my host and then “hit the streets.”

    My host showed me a very busy intersection just outside of downtown Tucson and I was there from 4PM to 6:30 PM on a median strip which is where I always go, The Holy Cross CENTER STAGE.

    The people here are rather reserved but the response was basically positive ESPECIALLY FROM LITTLE CHILDREN in the cars.

    At 5:45 the police came, two of them, and tried to remove me but I held my ground and they finally left 45 minutes later (I CONTINUED TO HOLD HIGH THE CROSS) after I showed them the Supreme Court rulings that “median strips are a permissable public venue for expressing private opinion.”

    Oh yes, I forgot to tell you, right before the police came, a car pulled next to me and the driver and his mother were SO EXCITED to see me, saying, “Brother Nathanael! We know you from your Web Site, Real Zionist News, and we are SO GLAD to see you!” (This was VERY encouraging to me.)

    Will you all please consider helping me to go to every major city in the US?

    There is a DONATION FEATURE BUTTON on the Top & Bottom of this and every Real Zionist News article. Or simple Click:
    https://co.clickandpledge.com/sp/d1/default.aspx?wid=26246

    This is a HASSLE FREE, USER FRIENDLY, SECURED, Online Donation Feature.
    Donations May Also Be Safely Sent By Snail Mail To:
    Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 1242; Frisco CO; 80443.

    Many Blessings To You All! +BN

  36. the Brainy Zek December 10, 2009 @ 12:42 am

    Bro Nate:

    I am working on a comment concerning professor McDonald!

    In the meantime let me EMPHASISE that 52 weeks alternately with Mark Glenn would be BRILLIANT!!

  37. Hoff December 10, 2009 @ 12:53 am

    Hi
    December 9, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

    If Israel were about a homeland for refugees or a return to the Holy Land or a peace phillic democratic society that would be understandable for most people. What is not understandable is how the politics of that state dominate politics around the world trumping the national interests of many sovereign countries.

    Hoff: The Jew Mafia expelled the Jew Norman Finkelstein from Jewistan (Israel) for ten years. So much for Jewistan as a safe heaven for all Jews.

    Dr. Norman Finkelstein, an American writer and academician, was detained upon his arrival to Israel. After he was held in detention at the airport for more than 24 hours, he was expelled to the United States on what was characterized as “security grounds.”

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3550887,00.html

    @ Norseman.

    l don’t know if those Jews who make these Hate list on web sites are too stupid to understand that they tell people where to find info on the Jews, or if the Jews creates their own opposistion.

    Either way, you got a good list of good sites. l would avoid all the KKK X-state and the Aryan X-state. Probably Jew made sites.

  38. Hoff December 10, 2009 @ 12:54 am

    The police came, two of them, and tried to remove me but I held my ground.

    Hoff: l always smile when you write “l held my ground” 80)))

  39. Michael K. December 10, 2009 @ 6:45 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,

    Perhaps you have seen the stunning display of a spiral with a blue beam coming from its center which appeared over the skies of Norway on the eve of Obama’s visit:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html

    This mysterious apparition has no precedent in history and has caused intense speculation. Here’s a typical New Age response (which I made up FYI):

    “I believe that the ancient symbol of the spiral is coming from Mother Earth. She is warning us. She is trying to tell President Obama that he MUST get a climate change bill passed in Copenhagen or a great disaster will follow.”

    In fact, the article above cited in the dailymail failed to mention the most likely source of the phenomenon. There are several HAARP transmitters located around the polar regions of the planet in order to conduct experiments with the Earth’s aurora field using Tesla technology. Far from being a paranoid fantasy, these transmitters’ existence are a documented fact, and what is more there is one “near Tromso Norway”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

    So what really brought my hair to standing on end was the presence of a blue beam of light emitted from the center, which brought to mind something I had read a few years ago called NASA’s “Project Blue Beam”:

    http://100777.com/node/1207
    http://2012poleshift.wetpaint.com/page/NWO+Project+Blue+Beam:+False+Holographic+Second+Coming

    All of this ultimately ties in to the plan to deceive the world into accepting a new religious paradigm, one in which Christians, Muslims and Torah observant Jews are all three going to be “bad”.

    http://www.angelfire.com/d20/philadelphians/fakerap2.html

    I know its off topic but this breaking news is going to have some serious impact if it is just the opening salvo in the BS barrage our Illuminati Jews have prepared for us. Strap on the barf bags as “Mother Earth” ’speaks to us through the skies’.

  40. jack frost December 10, 2009 @ 7:20 am

    @Brother Nathanael

    Will you ever do a piece on Kosovo and the destruction of Orthodox Christianity and the genocide against the Serbs and the nexus of organised crime in Europe and terrorism with drugs (Afghan heroin), sex and organ trafficking through Albanian organised crime networks that dominate Europe set up by western intelligence/NATO during the Balkans wars in the 90’s linked to the KLA regime in Kosovo?

    You also said that Jews rejected Jesus as they do not view him as the true Messiah so they had him killed and waiting for what believe to be the true Jewish Messiah.

    Is there any reference to this in Jewish scripture and what do they called the Jew Messiah?

  41. Fr. Joseph December 10, 2009 @ 8:46 am

    Dear Br. Nathanael,

    With you currently in Tucson, Arizona, let me share some personal things with you.

    My last duty station with the United States Air Force was right there in Tucson, Arizona - 35 years ago - at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, main enterance at the end of Craycroft.

    If you have the time and if your sponsoring Tucson family is agreeable to the idea, have them take you on a drive around the base perimeter from which you can see with your own two eyes “M.A.S.D.C.”, the USAF Military Aircraft Storage and Disposition Center.

    After you see all of the nuclear weapon capable carrying ‘War Birds’ and the large array of conventional weapon carrying fighters and bombers, then you’ll more fully understand this ‘fixation’ I personally have with the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia by the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother IN ORDER TO avoid the much desired satanic-illuminist THERMONUCLEAR Third World War.

    It was precisely during the time the USAF was giving DMAFB the facilities to train on and maintain the ‘Ground Launched Cruise Missile’ weapon system - “GLCMs” - (you might still be able to see the training/maintenance center buildings from DMAFB’s Main Gate at Craycroft) that the LORD and His Holy Spirit called me to a much more deeper religious and spiritual ‘conversion’.

    Then later on, if you drive east on 22nd Street - as you pass RIGHT OVER the bridge which spans the Pantano Wash - that’s precisely the place a heavenly angelic spirit “on my shoulder” whispered into my mind, heart and spirit’s “ear” to go search out and join the Carmelite Order of the Catholic Church.

    To offer YOU some “Catholic” hospitality to an “Orthodox” monk on a Mission for the Lord there in Tucson, Arizona, please feel ABSOLUTELY FREE to go visit the Lord and spend some quality one-on-One time with Him at either Our Mother of Sorrows Catholic Church there on Alvernon OR at the St. Francis de Sales Church - both are on the ‘East Side’ of Tucson.

    And lastly, if you have the time and if your sponsoring Tucson family likewise has the time as well as good transportation with good snow tires and/or chains this time of the year, perhaps ALL OF YOU can take a long leisurely and spiritually refreshing drive to the top of Mount Lemmon in order to stop at the quaint-rustic ski resort there atop of the mountain known as ‘Summerhaven’.

    Have yourselves a hot cup of spiced wine along with a bowl of simply yet hearty soup on their menu along with a nice salad as you all sit around the central circular fire place - and then, ENJOY listening to God’s Own gentle breezes blowing outside through and singing with the ‘Chorus of Tall Pines’ all around the place.

    You never know - you might actually wind up leading a public PRAYER SERVICE for everyone at the Summerhaven ski resort and village!

    And lastly, looks like I’m going to have to send you more St. Michael the Archangel prayer-holy cards in order to give out to all of the Police Officers you constantly are running into during your Street Evangelism treks (grin).

    - Fr. Joseph

  42. Fr. John December 10, 2009 @ 9:38 am

    BRAVO!

    Of course, Br Nathanael, now that you have favorably interviewed a man who considers ‘whiteness’ to be a quality to be conserved, all of the multiculturists will be calling you a ‘racist’ and an ‘anti-semite,’ or whatever they use to smear those with whom they disagree….

    Not that that happens in America these days, you understand…

  43. Frank L December 10, 2009 @ 10:01 am

    The Lion of Jesus Christ has finally come to eat the wolves, sankes, leeches, and scorpions! Amen! Gloria! Halleluja! Rejoice!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iabR8p-W3Sw

    Jesus Christ the Father has sent us an urgently needed gift, an American treasure named Brother Nathanael Kapner, the new John the Baptist of America who has come to baptise America in the Name of Jesus Christ the Father and awaken us to the Truths we have been led away from by Zionism.

    Brother Nathanael Kapner is travelling from coast to coast, awakening us to the impending danger and doom to our country, freedom of speech, constitutional rights, religion, family structure, and health.

    John the Baptist was a recluse who wore animal skins, ate locusts and wild honey, traveled as far as God the father allowed his to go, and fearlessly and openly critsized Herod the Edomite and his wife, which was punishible by death, but did not stop a great holy man, filled with the Great Holy Spirit, on a mission of the God.

    John the Baptist has reincarnated into Saint Nathanael, who lives the same life in the modern day, is fearlessly spreading the Word of Jesus Christ the Father, an faces the same dangers in order to awaken people before the second coming of Christ, just as John the Baptist did in his previous life.

    Please support Brother Kapner so he will be able to the spread the Word in order to save our republic’s sovereignty and little freedoms we have left. Brother Kapner is our last chance in defeating the Zionist beast, for this John the Baptist reincarnate has the Power of Jesus Christ the Father on His side.

    Our future is bright as long Nathanael the Baptist travells throughout America and proclaims the Word to America, baptising them in the Holy Spirit once again, some for the first time, so they are finally awakened to righteousness and honor to Jesus Christ the Father and New JerUSAlem!

    Anyone with eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart open to Jesus Christ the Father would see who Saint Nathanael Kapner really is. If not, you’ll never understand.

    You just know and feel, something the snakes and serpents are numbed and dull to, just as they looked past, did not believe, or looked down upon John the Baptist and Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, same story, different era.

    Only sincere, open hearts to Jesus Christ the Father will know who Saint Nathanael the Baptist really is.

    Peace Be With you all!

  44. Fr. Joseph December 10, 2009 @ 10:21 am

    Dear Br. Nathanael,

    Sharing an Idea that came to me during preparations to make wax candles for my Bishop’s Altar…

    Regarding the POLICE in any future hamlets, villages, towns or cities you may be sponsored to visit by RZN readers, here’s a suggestion.

    Mail the Chief of Police or the Sheriff of that city/region that you are going to be visiting his/her area on such-and-such dates in order to conduct your ‘Street Evangelism’. Mail along a copy of your lawyers’ information regarding the US Supreme Court ruling that street mediums are “protected free speech” zones. Request that particular Chief of Police or Sheriff to distribute this letter to his Lieutenants, Sergents or Deputy Sheriffs simply for their own personal information.

    AFTER each town or city you visit, request their Police Department or Sheriff’s Office to simply provide you with a ‘Letter of Reference’ addressed as ‘To Whom It May Concern’ with their own statement-of-fact that YOU did not pose any threat, danger or disruptment to the people and citizens of their respective town/city during your Street Evangelism efforts.

    Should you manage to obtain several or many such ‘Letters of Reference’ from Police Departments and Sheriff’s Offices, provide copies of those along with your letter submitted to such Law Enforcement departments advising them that you are coming to their city-town on such-and-such future date.

    This way, they are NOT surprized and hassled by your Street Evangelism visit - and you are NOT surprized and hassled by them in return.

    - Fr. Joseph

  45. Fr. Joseph December 10, 2009 @ 10:41 am

    I don’t make this stuff up…

    “THE THIRD WORLD WAR must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political ZIONISTS and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political ZIONISM (the State of ISRAEL) mutually destroy each other…et al” - from on-line reference:

    http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

    Now THAT is made up by minds possessed and influenced by SATANIC-DEMONIC elemental spirits with their ‘illumanist esoteric gnosticism’, principally via the conjurations of the ZOHAR of the KABBALAH.

    ‘Welcome to’ the infernal-whacky world of our ‘friendly neighborhood OCCULTISTS’ in its hydra-headed manifestasions of Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Hermetic Order, Kabbalahism, Theosophy, Satanism, Luciferianism, etc.

    From the BOOK OF WISDOM, all of us can readily read:

    “DO NOT COURT DEATH by the errors fo your ways,
    nor invite DESTRUCTION through your own actions.
    DEATH was not God’s doing,
    HE TAKES NO PLEASURE IN THE EXTINCTION OF THE LIVING.” - Wisdom 1:12-13

    Now here’s GOD’S OWN DIVINE SOLUTION to this global vexing problem of what Satan, his elemental demonics and his human stooges, dupes and allies WANT to get “done” here on earth and ALL OVER the entire planet earth:

    ‘WORLD PEACE or the ANNIHILATION OF NATIONS? It Depends On 4600 Men.’ - here

    http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr19/cr19pg31.asp

    E-mail Pope Benedict XVI insisting that he get on with ORDERING the Bishops of the Catholic Church to perform the long over due Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to God Incarnate’s Own Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions and Instruction!

    benedictxvi@vatican.va

    - Fr. Joseph

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is religious and theological. It is either God or atheism.”
    - U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur

  46. USSA=ZOG ECONOMIC GULAG December 10, 2009 @ 12:11 pm

    Bro. Nathanael,

    More interviews with Dr. MacDonald would be excellent.

    Other topics of interest would be -

    Khazar manipulation of the legal system (Revisionists opinions, bureaucratic uniform “codes” implemented across states, law manufaturing-over 50k “laws”/yr. in the District of Croonies for the Khzars)

    Khazar mind control - (Fedinistas HAARP Project, Deadbrainer/Jew-a-vision/TV, tought police-ADL, etc.)

    History of Psychology

    Imagine-a non Khazar 1984 temporal existence.

  47. Fr. Joseph December 10, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

    I don’t make this stuff up…

    “At that time men will also FLY through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish. And when they have achieved all of this, these unhappy people will spend their lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And the impious one! — he will so complete SCIENCE WITH VANITY that it will go off the right path and lead people TO LOSE FAITH in the existance of God in three hypostases.” - from the 4th century prophecy of St. Nilus @

    http://www.fisheaters.com/nilus.html

    “In the days of peace that are to come after the desolation of revolutions and wars, before the end of the world, Christians will become SO LAX in their religion that they will refuse the Sacrament of Confirmation, saying, “It is an unnecessary Sacrament.” - St Vincent Ferrer - 14th Century

    “When the great time will come, in which Mankind will face its last hard trial, it will be foreshadowed by STRIKING CHANGES IN NATURE. The alteration between cold and heat will become more intensive, STORMS will have more catastrophic effects, EARTHQUAKES will destroy great regions, adn the seas will OVERFLOW many lowlands. Not all of this will be the result of natural causes, but MANKIND WILL PENETRATE INTO THE BOWELS OF THE EARTH AND WILL REACH INTO THE CLOUDS, GAMBLING WITH ITS OWN EXISTANCE. - Monk Johannes Friede - 13th century - from

    http://www.crystalinks.com/papalprophecies.html

    Jesse Ventura’s ‘Conspiracy Theory’ on HAARP:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh2gbJA898s

    “A great plague will befall Mankind in the year 2000. NOWHERE in the will there be order, and SATAN will rule the highest places, determining the way of things. SATAN will even succeed in asserting himself at the top of the Church.

    “He will succeed in seducing the spirits of the great scientists who invent arms, with which it will be possible to destroy a large part of Mankind in a few minutes. SATAN will have in his power the leaders who command the people and who will incite them TO PRODUCE ENORMOUS QUANTITIES OF ARMS.” - from on-line reference:

    http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_12.htm

    “Example of slogans include, ‘DEATH TO ALL THINGS LIVING,’ ‘WAR ON CHRISTIANITY,’ and ‘GOD IS DEAD, LONG LIVE SATAN!’…et al

    http://www.fatima.org/news/newsviews/satanism2.asp

    “Heaven’s Key To Peace” @ on-line reference:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awznwJidvPc

    “My People PERISH for want of knowledge.”
    - Hosea 4:6

    - Fr. Joseph

  48. Michael K. December 10, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,

    It seems to me that weak attempts to explain away the phenomenal display of a spiral with a blue beam coming out of it have somehow risen to the level of being tendered as factual. Actually, I just have to laugh at the weak journalism which Rense paraded out as conclusive:

    http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/12/10/norway-spiral-video-mystery-solved/

    While the Rense story states in inappropriately conclusory fashion that the “Norway UFO was out of control Russian rocket”, the Christian Science monitor story linked to claims the mystery is “now solved” because the third stage of a Russian ICBM test launched at around that time was unstable. According to Russian Defense Ministry sources, it goes on to say in the third paragraph:

    “…the ministry didn’t provide an opinion on whether its missile was responsible for the spiral.”

    Well, if the Ministry doesn’t have an opinion about it, should you consider yourself in possession of proof? Secondarily, the question not addressed in this ‘Russian missle’ theory is how a blue beam of light apparently directed at the ground formed and grew in intensity as the phenomenon progressed. How is this consistent with an unstable missile? Do most missiles project blue beams of spiral light at the ground for several minutes?

    The fact remains that the phenomenon is unexplained by this, the same lame guess that was being tendered yesterday without anyone beliving it then, which now has been urgently paraded out even by the likes of Jeff Rense in some kind of effort to end speculation which would inevitably lead to investigation of the HAARP station near Tromso, Norway and not to some failed missile test which may or may not have even been visible to the unaided eye.

    What this story lacks is confirmation from the Russians that it was their missile which caused the phenomenon. Lacking this key element, the mystery isn’t solved, just obfuscated. What kind of intellectual integrity does this represent? Why isn’t the HAARP station ever mentioned?

    The event looked “computer generated” to witnesses. And the order in which the blue beam appeared is the exact opposite of what it should have been if it were a missile, it that it came “shooting out of the middle of the spiral” after the spiral formed. All I can say is I am not retarded, and it is an insult to my intelligence to run the ‘Russian missile’ theory as though it solves anything.

  49. Eternal Love December 10, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

    “The people here are rather reserved but the response was basically positive ESPECIALLY FROM LITTLE CHILDREN in the cars.”

    I am so happy our children like you so much and are not afraid of the Lion….. Our Christian Lion is their friend and will save them from people who want to send them to live in tent cities, to wars, to die for nothing, deprive them from medical care and good education.

    Our Christian Lion is saying “No child left out of The Holy Chain Of Love”.

    The policemen are again doing shameful things. Instead of chasing the real criminals they are coming to you, a Messenger of Love and The New Epoch. If they decide to come next time give them your card and tell them that you are not alone and millions support you. Invite them to join us!!!

    Yes, more interviews with Dr. Kevin MacDonald is a great idea. He is a fine scholar and an honest man!!!

    A Big Thank You to your host man, what a noble man he is!!!

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign and join our Holy Chain of Love to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

  50. Brother Nathanael December 10, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

    Dear RZN Family -

    I just completed my 2nd day here in Tuscon and all is going well.

    Many have called me over from their cars to talk with me and THANKING me for my “courage” to present Christ out on the streets.

    I am not a very good computer now as I was invited for dinner by some Real Zionist News fans who saw me on the street. Their main computer is fully set aside for business use and I am using an alternate lap top which has no mouse,

    I may not be able to report tomorrow as it looks like it will be a marathon day and I am now staying at a hotel due to some unforeseen circumstances with my former “host.” It has been a VERY trying 2 days.

    At the hotel, Embassy Suites, I tried to get on to OUR site, Real Zionist News, but it was BANNED by the hotel.

    I went to complain to the manager but when I saw that he was a Jew, I knew that I would get nowhere.

    Do please keep me in your prayers.

    Your +Brother in Christ, Nathanael

  51. Lynda December 10, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

    I too saw the spinning disc on Rense and the J-MSM picked it up on the 6:oo news in Oz - live footage of the ‘Russian Rocket’ launch.

    As I looked at that spinning disc I thought this is absolutely hypnotic. This is computer generated. As I watched it, a guest (with an IT physics background) who is staying at my family home came in and took one look at it and switched off the tube. He says don’t look at that. Energy is information. It is possible to use light to download directly to the mind.

    What do you think it is I wanted to know. I don’t know he said - but it could be an EM wave.

    Suppose this stuff starts appearing over major cities I wanted to know.

    Don’t look at it, he said. Go inside and jam it in your mind with a higher spiritual frequency.

    Suggestions: the ‘focus’ prayers of the Western Christian tradition. The Mater Mea; the ‘Regina sine labe’; Any of the lines from the great litanies like the Sacred Heart. As my informant stated it must be short and sweet so you can put all of your thought / energy of focus into it.

    Eastern Christians should put some of their traditional prayers here so that we have a lot of good ones to choose from.

  52. miranda December 11, 2009 @ 1:17 am

    How wonderful of Brother Nathaneal to agree to come to our cities, and I plan to email him about this.

    Re this topic of Jewry’s attempt to cause white guilt, last week on tv, Carrie Underwood Holiday Special, a Jewess, wearing a teeshirt with a Black man’s face on it, who appeared to be Jimmie Hendrix, did a segment saying she had discovered her at an Oklahoma State Fair.

    She went on to state that since she was Carrie’s manager, that meant that Carrie was part-Jew, at least 10% part. I guess that refers to the 10% if Carrie’s earnings that she expects to be paid.

    Just right out there with their obnoxious claim to ownership of us, eh? Hope to read the book, JEWS AND MONEY, THE REALITY AND THE MYTHS.

  53. Michael K. December 11, 2009 @ 6:16 am

    Dear Brother Nathanael, RZN Christians and Lynda,

    I pray that you take heed and understand what I am saying. I went to Rense.com to check the news out and there is something going on over there: EVERYTHING IS YELLOW. Yellow means fear, and it also implicitly admits to ‘yellow journalism’ regarding the Norway spiral. This means something, and since it is in symbolic language we can only infer what, but here is a short list:

    1. Jeff Rense has been threatened and his friends in the military/aerospace establishment can’t protect him from what will happen to his website and/or him if he investigates the Tromso HAARP transmitter as the most likely source of the Norway spiral.

    2. This IS the unveiling of NASA’s Project Blue Beam for its intended purpose of mass mind control.

    3. More events are soon to follow which will place the Christians, Muslims and Torah observant Jews in grave spiritual and corporeal danger.

    4. The NWO has a pattern of executing its plans on or around Christmas, so that is the likely time of the next disturbance.

    5. Regard and heed what Lynda’s friend said: it is hypnotic, subliminal and subversive to mental function.

    6. I agree with Lynda: we need traditional short prayers asking for Mary’s intercession as per Fatima. Too late for Collegial Consecration, perhaps. Sorry Fr. J., and much respect.

    7. Evacuate if it eventually becomes completely apparent that this is a Luciferian world takeover and the mind control actually is bezombifying people like in sci-fi movie. Go hide for your very life on that day.

    Sorry to be alarmist, but one must face the facts as they appear, and that’s how they appear to me on this day. May God and his saints hear our prayers and intercede on behalf of the souls of the faithful that we are not lost to the great deception at hand; false miracles and signs in the sky.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  54. russ December 11, 2009 @ 7:25 am

    Dear BN,

    Keep the Dr. MacDonald interviews comming, great stuff.

    Hoff, you are a wealth of information and a valuable addition to this site, to borrow a line from the Brainy Zek - I doff my hat to you!

    About the spirals, has to be some NWO test. It looks to me that this “death” ray was being projected up from the hill, not down from the spiral. It seems to be some kind of laser or Tesla thing, Michael K.’s post on this makes more sense than a missile out of control.

  55. Nicolae December 11, 2009 @ 7:29 am

    Wiesel to Hungary: Make Holocaust denial illegal

    December 10, 2009

    BUDAPEST (JTA) — Elie Wiesel urged Hungary’s leaders to do more to combat racism and anti-Semitism, and also to consider banning Holocaust denial.

    The Nobel Peace Prize laureate, who in 1944 was deported to Auschwitz from a town, Sighet, which at the time was in Hungary, spoke Wednesday at a “Jewish Hungarian Solidarity Symposium” of Hungarian political and Jewish leaders held at Parliament.

    “I urge you to do even more to denounce anti-Semitic elements and racist expressions in your political environment and in certain publications,” the 81-year-old Holocaust survivor and human rights activist said. “I believe that they bring shame to your nation, and they bring fear to its Jewish community and other minorities, such as the Roma.”

    He added, “I ask you, why don’t you follow the example of France and Germany and declare Holocaust denial not only indecent but illegal? In those countries, Holocaust deniers go to jail.”

    In recent years there have been violent attacks on Gypsies in Hungary, and the far-right, xenophobic, anti-Israel Jobbik Party has made strong electoral gains.

    Wiesel was in Budapest for ceremonies marking the 20th anniversary of Chabad-Lubavitch activities in the Hungarian capital.

  56. Fr. Joseph December 11, 2009 @ 12:25 pm

    Dear Michael K and EVERYONE ELSE who visits and reads Br. Nathanael’s articles, updates and information here on his Mission-Ministry website of ‘Real Zionist News’.

    First things first - if JEFF RENSE and his entire journalistic staff are being “threatened” on account of their many years long Battle & Fight FOR THE TRUTH of every conceivable type, I’ll make it a specific point to offer up my NEXT private votive Mass to our Almighty God and Father in Heaven to provide Jeff Rense and his entire staff with every manner and type of Divine Protection and Assitance via St. Michael the Archangel and his hosts of Warrior Angels.

    Yep, we are ALL in this Great Global Spiritual World War vs. Satan, his elemental demonic spirits and his many human allies from the World over.

    About this HAARP ‘Mind Control’ stuff - the spiritual image that comes to my mind is the SPIRITUAL CHALLENGE initiated and carried out by our Carmelite Order Patron Saint, Father St. Elijah, as found recorded in the Old Testament book of 1st Kings - 1 Kings 18:20-40.

    So it looks like we have this Luciferian HAARP ‘Mind Control’ jazz being planned for the entire Human Race. CONTRAST that against the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of God Incarnate’s OWN MOTHER, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17, which SHE specifically requested of the BISHOPS of her Son’s Church Militant here on earth back in 1917 A.D. at Fatima, Portugal.

    So, it’s coming ‘Down To The Wire’ apparently. Either the Human Race winds up WORSHIPPING and SERVING Satan - or - the Human Race winds up WORSHIPPING and SERVING our All-Good and Almighty God and Father in Heaven.

    Satan’s minions apparently intend to employ electromagenetic EMF force to achieve his ends.

    And GOD intends to use His Church’s Bishops to CALL DOWN THE HOLY SPIRIT upon all of Mankind via the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Woman of Genesis 3:15’s and Revelation 12:17’s Immaculately Loving Heart.

    The ‘Movers and Shakers’ of our World and in His Church are going to do what they INTEND TO DO, good or evil, with THEIR acts of Free Will - and there isn’t a thing I personally can do about that.

    The Pope, the Bishop of Rome and the Bishops in spiritual union and unity with him are assigned the Spiritual Role of our Father St. Elijah. They either CALL DOWN the Fiery Spirit of God the Holy Spirit for the entire whole wide World of ours TO SEE with their own two eyes via the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of GOD INCARNATE’S Own Mother Who just so happened to CREATE all that is seen and unseen AND WHO walked on this planet earth of ours in a Human Body just like the one all the rest of us members of the Human Race really and truly DO HAVE - or they DO NOT.

    If they DO NOT, then we get to see these man-made ‘Signs and Wonders’ in the sky overhead, apparently to become mesmerized and ‘mind controlled’ by Satan’s “ruling hierarchy of human beings who have sold their sould to him”.

    Sure would be nice…REAL NICE…for our entire Human Race to have WORLD PEACE and to recognize, love, praise and give much gratitude and thanks our One, True, All-good God and FATHER IN HEAVEN - then all of us could get on with ‘living the GOOD life’ instead of having to spend SO MUCH TIME wasting SO MUCH EFFORT as well as SO MANY RESOURCES having to deal with these satanic psychopaths running all over our World and making one HORRENDOUS MESS of our Human Race all over this planet earth of ours!

    But I don’t run this Show. I don’t run the nations of the World. Nor do I run the Church Militant here on earth.

    So for ALL OF YOU out there in Internet Cyberspace the World over who regularly read Br. Nathanael’s website and webpages, in the midst of this GARBAGE going on in, over, with and amongst our World and our entire Human Race of 2009 Anno Domini, let me try to post some things here for ALL OF YOU to cheer you up, to buoy your spirits and to strenghten your inner spirits…

    - Fr. Joseph

  57. Fr. Joseph December 11, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

    Very FIRST THING to tell all of you.

    Our Rev. Mother Anastasia at our St. Seraphim’s Skete is being visited by our LORD Who Is YOUR God and she is being taken up into Heaven in order to be granted the Divine Grace of telling people the World over what Heaven is really and truly like.

    Now my Bishop is suffering very much due to some very serious medical problems he has had to under very serious surgeries to correct.

    We nearly “lost” Fr. Bishop - the medical team took over 3 hours in order to resucitate him after his blood pressure went into the very dangerously LOW level.

    During THAT time, my own Fr. Bishop’s “Near Death Experience” - the LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF took him to the ‘Edge of Eternity’ and showed Fr. Bishop that OUR actions and behaviors in THIS LIFE determine what happens to us and what awaits us in ETERNITY after our mortal-temporal physical biological DEATHS in this time, space, matter and energy seen creation of our Creator God’s “All”.

    Now my Fr. Bishop and my Rev. Mother have their OWN Mission-Ministry website here on the Internet. Here’s THEIR Website:

    http://ourladylightofthewoods.org/index.php

    Spend some QUIET QUALITY TIME there reading over and considering what my Fr. Bishop and my Rev. Mother want to relay to ALL OF YOU out there in the ‘Great Big Wide World’ of ours, the year now being 2009 Anno Domini!

    More later…got some WORK to do here…

    - Fr. Joseph

  58. Fr. Joseph December 11, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

    So as I’ve said here on RZN many a time:

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and theological. It is either GOD or atheism.”
    - U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur

    Now OUR GOD has already given His Divine MARCHING ORDERS to every last living soul in and throughout our U.S. Government, and THAT INCLUDES every last living soul created by GOD HIMSELF who happens to have ANYTHING-AT-ALL to do with ‘H.A.A.R.P.’, back on March 19 and March 21, 1991 here:

    http://www.ourlovingmother.org/Messages_TenCommandments.aspx#five

    Either EVERYONE in the U.S. Government “Gets The BIG DIVINE PICTURE” or they keep THEIR ‘heads-in-the-sand’ as THEY tremble in terror and fear. That’s THEIR personal moral-ethical-spiritual CHOICE to make with THEIR OWN personal God-given spiritual faculty of FREE WILL.

    Now then, onto an attempt to ‘Cheer Everyone Up’…yep, there ARE numerous people here in the USA as well as throughout the REST OF THE WORLD who recognize and openly speak out against the EVILS in which our World is currently immersed and simply LOVES to continue WALLOWING IT!

    We have this MARVELOUS article by Mr. Manuel Valenzuela as found on the currently-being-THREATENED Jeff Rense website:

    http://www.rense.com/general69/pup.htm

    Next, we have this BRUTALLY ACCURATE article entitled “That Fraud Called ‘Liberty’” by Mr. Christopher A. Ferrera of the Fatimaa Network website:

    http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/oc/perspective592.asp

    So you see, the World Struggle IS religious and theological in nature after all!

    Perhaps an ‘Introduction’ into the role of Divinely Revealed RELIGION is to have and NEEDS TO HAVE on the civic and social lives of the peoples of the Nations of our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini:

    “Chapter 1 - The Natural Law

    “There are some who deny the existance of natural law and ridicule the term as out-moded, anti-modern, and possessing merely an historical interest. Conceptions of the natural law and of natural rights were perculiar to the Schoolmen, it is averred, but are without legitimate place in modern moral philosophy and politics. No substitute exists, however, for the natural law, as a fundamental basis for a rational ethical system, and the result if that much of modern political thought, from the view of ethics, is without principle. POLITICS, WITHOUT THE NATURAL LAW AS AN ETHICAL BASIS, FINDS ULITIMATE EXPRESSION IN THE ABSOLUTE AND TOTALITARIAN STATE WHICH DENIES THE TRADITIONAL DETERMINANTS OF MORALITY AND MAKES THE FIAT OF THE STATE THE MORAL LAW (caps emphasis - mine).

    “Political philosophy that rejects the principles of natural law, MUST ALSO REJECT THE PRINCIPLE THAT THE HUMAN PERSONALITY IS A DISTINCT ENTITY, CREATED BY GOD, WITH RIGHTS AND DUTIES AND DESTINED FOR AN ETERNAL END WITH GOD.” - qouting from

    “Catholic Principles Of Politics” - Revised Edition of ‘The State and the Church’ - on line reference here:

    http://www.amazon.com/Livros-para-juventude-John-Augustine/dp/B0007KDXVG

    Now do you see what HAPPENS when people, gerat and small, wind up REJECTING God???

    They wind up making ‘Vunder Veapons’ by which to attempt to control the entire Human Race via “E.M.F. MIND CONTROL”!

    ‘STUPID does as STUPID is!’

    As if GOD HIMSELF is going to let such a horrendous MISUSE/ABUSE of His Natural Physical Laws and His Natural Seen Creation of Time-Space-Matter-Energy UNPUNISHED!

    If I worked on or maintained or controlled any aspect of ‘H.A.A.R.P.’ - I’d personally “head for the hills” in order to find a MOUNTAIN to cover me up and hide me from the Wrath of our Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent GOD, Creator and DIVINE FATHER in Heaven!

    - Fr. Joseph

  59. charlie December 11, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

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    Tribute to Mary Dimech

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    TRIBUTE TO MARY DIMECH

    Ms LINDA BURNEY (Canterbury—Minister for Community Services, and Minister for Women) [6.21 p.m.]: Today I pay tribute to Mary Dimech whose contribution to multicultural affairs both in the Canterbury electorate and much more widely is unsurpassed. Sadly, Mary passed away recently after succumbing to a long illness.

    I recognise Mary’s bravery and achievements and I express sympathy to her family and her friends. Mary’s story began in Malta 1951. As a young girl she travelled with her family to Tasmania and then to Sydney’s western suburbs. Mary studied social work at the University of New South Wales and set out, quietly, to change the world. Recently a close friend of Mary said to her:

    Always you have offered us a clear vision—of what a society driven by inclusion, justice and equality could be like. My first memories of you are you quietly trying to translate your impulse for loving kindness into a social force.

    Mary, an activist, and effective one at that, was a determined advocate for all minority groups, in particular, migrant communities and women. From 1974 Mary worked in Melbourne with the Broadmeadows Care Welfare Agency and she helped to set up Maltese Welfare Victoria.

    In the 1980s she worked for the London Volunteer Services Council, was active in organisations such as the London Migrant Action Group, and joined other women at the Greenham Common protests against nuclear weapons. I repeat the words spoken by Mary’s friend:

    You were consistently courageous in taking on the call to freedom of people shackled by the ignorance and meanness of power. You always, in the words of the civil rights movement, kept your eyes on the prize; that people would share equally in the gifts of the world, and receive respect as human beings.

    Back in Sydney Mary was the first chairperson of the Ethnic Childcare Cooperative, was closely involved with immigrant Women’s Speakout, and worked for the Ethnic Communities Council of New South Wales and the refugee trauma service STARTTS. At the Australian Council for the Arts Mary led the way to its first multicultural arts policy, helping the burgeoning of multicultural arts across Australia.

    At the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Mary was director of its Race Discrimination Unit at a difficult time when John Howard was making his own contribution to race relations. Mary wrote a number of journal articles and book chapters that contributed to critical thinking about discrimination, immigration, women and social change. I again quote the words spoken by Mary’s friend:

    Yours was a formidable intelligence and you have always been a powerful force for good. You managed to challenge and confront injustice, meanness and hypocrisy without judging the people who you seek to change.

    Most recently, Mary was manager of the Multicultural Services Unit at Community Services, which is now a part of the Department of Human Services, for which I am responsible as Minister for Community Services.

    Through her persistence and strength of personality Mary gradually changed the culture of community services and how it worked with culturally diverse families. She did that through interpreter services, multicultural caseworkers, African sessional workers and training caseworkers on culturally reflective practice. Mary achieved so much because of her intelligence, strength and commitment to the rights of all people, but also because of her humanity and generosity of spirit.

    Mary never judged people or put them down; she was always respectful and was generous with her time. Her team at Community Services sometimes referred to her style as “Dimechism, ” whereby even the toughest bureaucrats succumbed before unyielding charm and reasonableness, and finally gave Mary the migrant program for which she had been asking.

    Because of her popularity she sometimes had to enter the building through the underground car park rather than through the front entrance to ensure that she made it to meetings on time. That was mainly because so many work colleagues were keen to speak with her. Mary Dimech was also a wonderful friend of non-government organisations in the Canterbury area, working with vulnerable and disadvantaged communities.

    Mary worked closely with the Metro Migrant Resource Centre for more than 10 years as a trusted adviser who, as a qualified social worker, had a fierce reputation as an informed and relentless advocate for all minority groups and refugee and immigrant women in particular.

    Mary’s expertise in refugee torture and trauma and other related health issues saw immediate and positive health outcomes through the development of policies that local non-government organisations adopted.

    Mary led the involvement of key Canterbury-based services, such as the Muslim Women’s Association, in developing pilot projects targeting vulnerable children requiring out-of-home care through the establishment of culturally and religiously appropriate foster carers from the local community. Mary Dimech was a leader and a role model for a generation of people trying to bring about a more inclusive and just world. My deepest sympathies go to Mary’s family and friends. Her legacy will live on.

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  60. massi December 11, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

    I would like to hear more from Mac Donald. I would also like to see a post on the Historical period from 200B.C. to 200A.D. with regard to the Jews. Much of this, from the Biblical perspective, has been expunged from the revised versions, as being Apochrapha.

    However, if any one is interested in this time of transition, which saw the Idumeans become part of, and finally usurp Judah it can be found in the writings of the Historian Josephus. It will clarify that the Pharissee,king Herod,i.e. the ‘priesthood’ and the ‘throne’ of Israel, had been taken over by another ‘genes’ altogether.

    It’s very interesting material as it relates to the origin of those who today claim to be Jews. Also, I know that Nathaniel loves his street evangelism. I also see that he reports a rather harrowing circumstance at present. I believe that the time has come for Nathanael to limit his work to his site, which is reaching more than his street evangelism, and possibly expand it and expand his interviewing as well, possibly moving into a broadcast format.

    He must realize that his enemy is ruthless, and cunning, and Satanically energized. Thus I feel that any attempt to harm Nathanael would most likely occur during one of his evangelistic excursions.

    The Zionists are “mad”, as in insane; and “mad’ as in furious. And some group within there number, (such as the young men who killed the Christians at Colombine) just might take it upon themselves to carry out some evil ‘mission’. There are many young ‘wild card’ factions within Zionism that are extremely dangerous. And of certainty there are among these those who might take it upon themselves as a ‘mission from God’ to silence Nathaniel. Please prayerfully and carefully consider my advise Bro’ Nate.

  61. charlie December 11, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

    “Why the Sign of Our lady reigns Over Europe.”

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/f0000504.shtml

    When secularists parade with the European Union flag they are unwittingly honouring the Immaculate Conception. By Angelo Stagnaro

    4 December 2009

    Belgium is a wonderful country but one can’t always tell that when in Brussels. This city is the least example of how wonderful the country as a whole is. I don’t think even the residents of Brussels want to be there.

    I walked across one of the many plazas scattered throughout this, one of the three capitals of the European Union, when I spied a shop festooned completely, in and out, with the European Union flag. The EU symbol is so ubiquitous throughout Europe that one can barely register it consciously.

    I’ve always been impressed with the clean layout and design of the European Union’s flag. Its subfusc, cerulean blue is coincidently my favourite colour. It’s the blue present in the sky just as the sun is about to rise. Personally, I’ve always associated that particular shade of blue with the Blessed Mother.

    I stepped into the store and nearly mowed down a tiny Belgian lady who was the proprietress. She recognised my accent immediately and asked me what brought me to Belgium. I told her I was on a pilgrimage and her eyes immediately widened.

    “Oh! Oh! Oh!” she yelled in Walloon-laced English. “I thought no one would bring that up! Did you know the EU symbol is from the Bible?”

    As first I thought it was a marketing ploy considering the woman had obviously invested a great deal of money in coffee mugs and mouse pads with the EU symbol plastered over them. “No! No! No! It’s true!” she insisted with stereotypical Belgian ebullience.

    “It is a symbol of Virgin Marie!” And then, as if on cue, she reached behind her cash register and grabbed a well-worn copy of a French Bible, quickly thumbed through and held it out for me to read: Un grand signe parut dans le ciel: une femme enveloppée du soleil, la lune sous ses pieds, et une couronne de douze étoiles sur sa tête (“Then a great and mysterious sight appeared in the sky.

    There was a woman, whose dress was the sun and who had the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head” – Revelations 12:1.)

    “Yes, that’s right!” the excited women continued. “The ring of 12 stars is a symbol of Mary and I love to point it out to those who did not know it.” She said this with an infectious smile which lit up the room.

    Arsène Heitz, the flag’s designer, acknowledged in a 2008 interview that he derived the design of a circle of 12 golden stars from the Book of Revelation. As Heitz was considering a design to submit for the EU, he was reading the history of the Blessed Virgin’s apparitions in Paris’ Rue du Bac, known today as the Virgin of the Miraculous Medal. In fact, he belonged to the Order of the Miraculous Medal, which would explain his intimate acquaintanceship with the symbol.

    Thus the symbol recognised worldwide as to the European Union and of Europe in general even by atheists, secularists and Muslims, is a symbol of the Immaculate Conception herself. It warms the cockles of an old Catholic’s heart. European atheists running around in the streets waving the European Union flag over their heads have no idea, or choose to ignore, the true meaning behind the EU’s symbol. And, they are apparently stuck with it as the design isn’t going to change as long as the European Union exists.

    In celebration of the adoption of the symbol the Council of Europe commissioned and installed a magnificent stained-glass window in Strasbourg Cathedral which depicts the Blessed Virgin Mother standing beneath an oversized circle of 12 stars on deep blue field. In addition, the European flag was adopted by the then European Economic Community on December 8 1955, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Coincidence? I think not.

    Heitz never explained to anyone where he got the idea for the EU flag but instead explained that the 12 stars symbolised “perfection and completeness”. For example, there are 12 hours on a clock, 12 months in a year and 12 tables of Roman Law. There are 12 apostles, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 sons of Jacob and 12 minor prophets in the Bible. There are 12 ounces in a troy pound, 12 semitones in an octave and 12 hues in the colour wheel. And lest we forget, 12 days in Christmastide.

    But the European Union’s Catholicity is more than merely its flag. Robert Schuman, a former French foreign minister and one of the founders of the European Union, was a devout Catholic and daily communicant who lived a celibate and ascetic life.

    Konrad Adenauer, the late German chancellor, dubbed Schuman “a saint in a business suit”. Schuman spearheaded a plan to consolidate the French and West German coal and steel industries under a single authority. This proposal led to the creation of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), the forerunner of what is now the European Union (EU). The event is celebrated annually as Europe Day or Schuman Day (May 9.)

    According to Alan Fimister, a historian and author of Robert Schuman: Neo-scholastic Humanism and the Unification of Europe, Schuman’s impetus to create what would later be the European Union was his Catholic faith but, more specifically, “the conscious implementation of Pope Leo XIII’s Neo-Thomistic project”.

    Jacques Maritain, a French Catholic convert, political theorist, philosopher and supporter of the European Union, held that democracy and a political unity of nations, as in the case of the United Nations or the EU, were the first steps in the founding of a civilisation based on love. The proposed nature of the EU would create a natural sympathy between itself and the Catholic Church, which alone could provide the supranational entity with the revealed truths, ethical underpinnings and the sacramental grace necessary to sustain it.

    Schuman and Maritain both believed that a supranational democracy would become the foundation for a New Christendom. “Europe,” said Schuman, is “the establishment of a generalised democracy in the Christian sense of the word.” Schuman fundamentally believed that the final end of Catholic political action must be the recognition by the civil order of the truth of the Faith which would ultimately result in an increase in conversions to the Church and conversions of heart to Christ.

    I thanked the tiny Belgian woman who so delightfully engaged me in conversation. I left the EU shop with an armful of EU memorabilia, some of it kitsch, some of it utilitarian, and stepped out and into the plaza. As I waited to cross the street, a car zoomed past me and as I watched after it I noticed that it, like every other car in the Eurosphere, proudly displayed the circle of 12 golden stars on its licence plate. As I stared at it, I offered a prayer to our Mother, the Queen of Europe, to assist us as we set about re-Christianising the Old Continent.

  62. Norseman December 11, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

    SPIRAL SEEN FROM NORWAY

    Regarding the comments on the spiral seen days ago from Norway: it has been confirmed that it was a Bulava-type ICBM launched from Russia which went out of control in the outer atmosphere. Apparently, the third stage had problems with the orientation of the rocket engine, making it spiral out of control.

    Official confirmation:

    http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14626373&PageNum=0

    Videos, comments and other interesting info at:
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18262-strange-norway-spiral-likely-an-outofcontrol-missile.html

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2009/12/no_luck_for_bulava.shtml

  63. Hoff December 11, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

    “Russian Specialist Lays Bare Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe”

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p22_Bishop.html

    Icebreaker, the whole book in full text.

    http://jewise.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/icebreaker/

  64. Norseman December 11, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

    Dear Charlie,

    This is relevant to the present article, thus I want to make a few comments to your post.

    Yes, the symbol of the EU are twelve stars reminiscent of the woman of Revelations 12:1.

    But behold: the 12 stars are PENTAGRAMMES, the most notorious SATANIC symbol. It has been extensively used by Freemasonry, as well as different Communist states (i.e. Soviet Union). Twelve is the number of the tribes of Israel.

    The flag is derived from the symbol of the “Paneurope-Movement” (now Paneurope-Union), which shows a solar cross surrounded by 12 pentagrammes. See at: http://www.paneuropa.org/

    The “Paneurope-Movement” was founded in 1923 by the high-degree freemason Richard Nikolaus Coudenhove-Kalergi. He wrote in his 1925 book “Practical Idealism”:

    “THE PEOPLE OF THE FUTURE WILL BE HALF-BREEDS”, which he asserts lack character and will power, but are objective and free of prejudices. What he wanted to say, is that they are EASIER TO MANIPULATE. Coudenhove-Kalergi also said that the DESTINY OF THE JEWS is –due to “THE SUPERIORITY OF THEIR SPIRIT” to rule Europe, and have an “ADVANTAGE IN THE FIGHT FOR RULING MANKIND”.

    One would think that the cross in the Paneurope-Union symbol refers to Christ. 33rd degree freemason Konrad Lerich wrote in his 1937 book “The temple of the Freemasons” about this: “The cross within a circle that bears the symbol of the Paneurope-Movement has its model in the symbolism of the ROSACRUCIAN-CHAPTER” (that is, the 15th to 18th degrees of the Scottish Rite!!).

    To assess the power of the Paneurope-Union just consider that the common currency, the Euro, was actually their invention. In the eighties they called for a common currency, at that time named “ECU” (European Currency Unit).

    Therefore: I am sorry to tell you, but the EU is not Christian at all, it is anti-christian and satanic. A recent example is the ruling banning the crosses from Italian schools: http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=7336

    “And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.” (Rev. 18:21)

  65. jgalindes December 11, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

    This one is regarding US officials background checks to be approved by the jews…

    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/12/04/haaretz_says_us_officials_face_pro_israel_background_check

  66. Frank L December 11, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

    Dear friends,

    Sorry to interrupt, but I have cleaned up my video tribute our our John the Baptist reincarnate Br. Kapner. Here is the new link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ13ZuHTA1M

    Spread the word and the help for this man in any way you can, for he is the one that has come to usher in the Second Coming of Christ and the awakening that will stop the Zionist beast from devouring our beautiful America.

    Peace Be With You all!

    Frank

  67. charlie December 11, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

    “Therefore: I am sorry to tell you, but the EU is not Christian at all, it is anti-christian and satanic”

    Norseman; I know that, the Virgin Mary knows that, Christ knows that.

    I don’t think the author of that article knows that.

    The point I was making was that the Virgin shall conquer, and her sign of conquest is on the flag. And the method given of the creation of the flag is plausible to me.

    Please do not give links to prove a point. I have a slow computer and cannot go chasing after links to get the proof of an assertion.

    Similarly you can give two versions of the creation of the USA, the masonic and the christian.
    The truth is both are correct, as both of these are at war with each other from the beginning.

    Likewise the church in Russia during the Bolshevic Period ws not without Christ during that time and his Mother. Not without the Holy Spirit and the angels, to comfort, strengthen, uphold and perform countless miracles where this was necessary for the spiritual and sometimes physical salvation of the persecuted.

    Wherever that flag is raised, let us see hope, and not enslavement, hope that the Virgin Mary is close by, that the church is ultimately unconquered, even though the forces of antichrist are too stupid to see it, on their own flag.

  68. Fr. Joseph December 12, 2009 @ 1:14 am

    Norseman,

    Thanks for the update on that weird spiral in the skies of Norway.

    Anyways, some more information on ‘Mind Control’:

    http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm#psychoenergetics

    - Fr. Joseph

  69. Michael K. December 12, 2009 @ 6:10 am

    Dear Norseman and RZN friends,

    Again, it pains me to point out that there is no proof of the “Russian missile” theory as it applies to the Norway spiral offered in the sources you supplied. Let’s look at the sources you quoted:

    1. Itar-tass: “During the test launch of the missile from the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear submarine on December 23, 2008, the missile self-destructed in the 28th second of the flight because of malfunctions in the operation of the third stage.”

    RE: The phenomenon lasted for several minutes, with a blue beam of light shooting from the center of it after the formation of the spiral, hence the blue beam was not the rocket’s jet trail, or it would have appeared first. The article makes no mention of the spiral in the sky over Norway. Quite an ommission for “proof”.

    2. Newscientist: “…a strange spiral observed in the skies above Norway on Wednesday morning was actually a failed Russian missile launch, says a Harvard astrophysicist who monitors space launches.”

    RE: The term “actually” in this context means nothing, since there is no proof given to confirm this statement. This guy from Harvard probably has a vested interest in suppressing the HAARP stations true function. Do you believe his use of “actually” because it is conjugated with “Harvard astrophysicist” in a sentence? You have just been duped.

    3. Russianforces: “The launch apparently created quite a stir in Norway, where people were able to see some spectacular views of the event”… Comment: “CNN Reports that Russian Defence Ministry denies any missile launch in the area which is claimed to be source of strange light seen there.”

    RE: The word “apparently” in this context means that there is no proof positive that the two events are one and the same. It is merely an inference.

    Norseman and friends:

    This does not constitute proof, but is simply the continued restatement of the initial lie told, probably to cover for this test run of the HAARP station near Tromso. This is no different from the endless repetition of the “nineteen hijackers” story to the point that it becomes accepted. Look and see, none of the sources you’ve quoted actually contain an official Russian confirmation that the Norway spiral was as a result of their test launch.

    Without the use of discrimination, you have accepted as real the propaganda lies put there to fool you. As time goes on, more and more rehashing of this lie will continue until all people who can’t really think critically will accept it, and since that is the majority of people it the lie will become real through “democracy”.

    You need to investigate HAARP. The EU runs the HAARP station near Tromso. The display appeared “computer generated”. The Blue beam of light shot out of the center of the spiral after it formed. It lasted several minutes. It came from “behind a mountain” not from the sea. The Russians do not actually take official responsibility. Lastly, did the strong EMF generated destroy the Russian missile by frying its circuitry? Think about that as an explanation for the synchronicity.

    Remember science 101: the existence of a correlation does not establish a cause and effect relationship. The Harvard astrophysicist certainly is aware of this, so what he is saying is not science per se. It is public speculation by an insider in order to create ‘plausible deniability’, and to give encouragement to non-scientific thinkers to confuse their understanding of correlation versus cause and effect.

    The only hypothesis out there which explains this phenomenon with cause and effect is the HAARP hypothesis. The HAARP station exists right in that area, and it is a computer controlled Tesla transmitter array capable of causing such effects on purpose. This is all several orders of magnitude more likely that the propaganda lie that Russia is somehow responsible with a “magic missile” like none ever witnessed before, which did all of this amazing stuff after “self destructing 28 seconds after launching”.

    People, you need to get a grip. You believe the “Russian missile” story because you want to. You are scared of the truth. THEY are giving you a way out and you are taking it, rather than facing the horrors I have risked my *ss to alert you to. I pray for wisdom and courage for all of us.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  70. Michael K. December 12, 2009 @ 6:45 am

    Dear Norseman and RZN friends:

    To clarify the above, I quoted from the Itar-Tass article slightly out of context. Actually, the self destruction of the missile was clearly December 28, 2008, almost a year ago. Lest this should be taken as a key deficiency in my argument, let’s look at what the article says happened on December 9, 2009:

    “After the return of the submarine to a naval base, experts examined telemetry returns. The first two stages of the missile operated in normal mode, but a technical failure occurred at the third stage of the flight trajectory.

    “According to telemetry data, the third stage engine was unstable,” the defense ministry said…

    Well try to get a giant nearly perfect “computer generated” spiral forming and shooting blue beam of spiral light at the ground behind a mountain out of that anyway. Huge leap when the Russians don’t think so themselves and weren’t even in the area of the Norway spiral.

    Sorry for missing this the first time around. See how easy it is to miss key facts?

  71. katman December 12, 2009 @ 8:58 am

    The Apostle Peter never was the bishop of Rome. He did not like being around gentiles that much. The gospel of the circumcision was given unto Peter. Proof…

    Galatians 2:

    1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

    2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

    3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

    4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

    5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

    6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

    7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

    8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

    9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

    10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

    11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

    12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

    13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

    14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

    15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

    16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

    18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

    19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

    20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    The grave of Cephus was found in the catacombs…

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1027410/posts

    So I am sorry, but he is not buried in Rome. He would not have any part of that. Despite his vision on the roof that day and despite being told by Paul and agreeing in principle, he nevertheless, somewhat refused to give up on his Jewish traditions. did he got to Rome? possibly. But he never stayed long for he felt this was Paul’s mission, not his…….

  72. Lynda December 12, 2009 @ 11:10 am

    Yes, Michael K, I must admit I laughed when I heard the Russian missile theory the next day and saw the demo of a fizzing rocket on the J-MSN. The official lies and party lines are no longer even plausibly deniable.

    The information that I think we need to put together here is the unity of light, energy and information. Thought is energy. Also the old analog signals are being phased out across the world by executive order. Here in Oz everybody is being pushed to get the box for blue ray and digital. Even folk who do not even have televsision.

    I expect that the men behind the curtain intend to get all these signals n’sync with HAARP. They are HAARPING the weather now and giving us weatherworx. But, of course, those who would be the gods on this planet intend to control the mind of the mass. For those not familiar with the ‘ye shall be as gods’ ambition please refer to the Book of Genesis.

    Holy Church has always helped us with the soul pollution coming from the world. The spiritual treasury of the West has many prayers that have been advocated for Christians who experience soul pollution coming from the world, the flesh, the devil. Short and sweet prayers that simply cancel the effect of someone’s blasphemy overheard in the marketplace, the commercial that communicates sexual impurity etc.

    These traditional prayers are heavily indulgenced for those who understand this spiritual concept. That is: the Church Militant, the Church Suffering in purgation and the Church Triumphant and reigning with our Lord in heaven are all of one. Through the infinite merits of our Lord’s Passion and Death, the indulgenced prayer can immediately benefit not only oneself but draw upon the prayers of all the saints for the entire unity.

    Yes, the real popes of St Peter’s Chair in Rome (from the time of St Peter - 1958) were rather big on the traditional prayers which shield the soul from world, flesh and devil pollution. I will be listing some of those presently and I will give the Latin as well because the ancient language of the universal Church has great power in its own right.

    We can use those prayers against mind control. Also, I will give some of the prayers of Marie Julie Jehanny, the Breton woman of the twentieth century who bore in her own body the stigmata of our Lord’s passion. Marie Julie consented to suffer in reparation for sins and manifest in her own body the pains of the mortal plagues that would come to the world under our Lord’s judgement. Our Lord confided to Marie Julie many sovereign remedies for the faithful.

  73. Lynda December 12, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

    God (H’Shem - the Name) is my strength and song; He is Salvation (Yashua). Ps. 118.4.

    Jesus, Iesus, Yashaua.

    Upon the right hand (Yamin - the right hand) did the queen stand in a vesture of gold. Ps 44.11. The right hand (of the King) doeth valiantly. Ps 118.15.

    Mary, Marion, Mariyam.

    From the Litany of Devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus

    Jesus, King of glory
    Jesus, mighty God
    Jesus, father of the world to come
    Jesus, our refuge
    Jesus, our strength

    From the Litany of the Sacred Heart

    Fili Redemptor mundi, Deus. God, the Son - Redeemer of the world.
    Cor Jesu, majestatis infinitae. Heart of Jesus, infinite majesty
    Cor Jesu, formax ardens caritatis. Heart of Jesus, burning furnace of charity.
    Cor Jesu, dives in omnes qui invocant te. Heart of Jesus, rich unto all that call upon Thee.
    Cor Jesu, patiens et multae mirsericordiae. Heart of Jesus, patient and abounding in mercy.
    Cor Jesu, saturatum opprobriis. Heart of Jesus, filled with reproaches.
    Cor Jesu, fons totius consolationis. Heart of Jesus, source of all consolation.
    Cor Jesu, pax et reconciliatio nostra. Heart of Jesus, our peace and reconciliation.
    Cor Jesu, salus in te sperantium. Heart of Jeus, salvation of those who hope in Thee.
    Cor Jesus, spes in te morientium. Heart of Jesus, hope of those who die in Thee

    Christ the King. Invocations

    Holy Christ, King of Kings. Our King. Sancte Christ, Rex regum. Rex noster. Our hope. Our glory. Our help. Spes nostra. Gloria nostra. Auxilium nostrum.

    Holy Christ, King of Kings. Our King. Our Strength. Our unconquerable Arms. Fortitudo nostra. Arma nostra invictissima.

    From the Litany of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary

    Sancta Maria. Turis Davidica. Holy Mary, Tower of David.
    Sancta Maria. Domus aurea. Holy Mary, House of gold.
    Sancta Maria. Foederis arca. Holy Mary, Arc of the Covenant.
    Sancta Maria. Refugium peccatorum. Holy Mary. Refuge of sinners.
    Sancta Maria, Regina sine labe originali concepta. Holy Mary, Queen conceived without original sin.
    Ora pro nobis. Pray for us.

    Mater mea. Fiducia mea. My Mother. My Confidence!

    Saint Joseph. Glorious Patriarch and Patron of our Lord’s universal Church

    Sancte Joseph. St Joseph
    Diligent Protector of Christ. Christi defensor sedule.
    Head of the Holy Family. Almae Familiae praeses.
    Pillar of families. Familiarum columen.
    Terror of demons. Terror daemonum.
    V: “He made him the lord of His household”
    R: “And prince of all His possessions.”
    Sancte Joseph. Ora pro nobis. Pray for us.

    Our Lord spoke very frankly to Marie Julie Jehanny, who bore His stigmata. He spoke of the scourges of His justice that he would permit to come upon the world because of sin.

    On Oct 26, 1881 He told her: “In a short time, the pastors of the Church … will have given the last sword thrust to Holy Church.” (Oct 26, 1958) And “you are about to see those who govern the Church giving their lives and their strength to those who will establish a fatal government.” On April 24, 1884, our Lord showed her that “in all corners of the world there will be antiChrists as at the time of the Last Judgement.” On June 1, 1882 “they have all wanted disorder and revolution and they are going to have their fill.”

    It was in these contexts that our Lord spoke to Marie Julie of the scourges of his justice that would come upon the earth through their agency and his permissive will. For those of the faith, against these mortal plagues, Marie Julie counselled:

    “Write on a thin paper in all capital letters: ‘O JESUS, CONQUEROR OF DEATH, SAVE US. O CRUX AVE’. Place it in a glass of water and drink it.”

  74. Michael K. December 12, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    If I could ask the esteemed professor Kevin Mac Donald one question, I would pose this one:

    “We can see that Jews are a cohesive ethnic group (or at least function as one even if they are of several races), and we can see that this group is quite active in political lobbying opposed to any effort of non-Jewish Whites to arrive at a cohesive state of ethnic functioning which would rival their own ethnic power.”

    “So, as an historian, please briefly and concisely explain how and why White people became so enamored of Jews as to allow them, as aliens, to gain control of the central institutions of White culture. This would not be possible without broad voluntary consent, and the participation of the White aristocracy who have had to cede individual power directly. How did it happen, and when did it first start?”

  75. katman December 12, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

    When Rome moved its capital to Constantinople (Byzantium) in 330AD

    http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/romans.html

    a power vacuum became apparent in Rome.

    In the West no division into patriarchates came about; but, on the other hand, something else happened: in the fifth century the Western Roman Empire perished of internal weakness and through the inroads of the barbarians.

    What was left of what was Roman took refuge in the Roman Church —civilisation, law, and orthodox faith as opposed to the Arian. The barbarian chiefs, however, did not venture to set themselves up as Roman Emperors, and enter the vacant shrine of the imperium; they founded empires of their own in the provinces. In these circumstances the Bishop of Rome appeared as the guardian of the past and the shield of the future.

    All over the provinces occupied by the barbarians, even in those which had previously maintained a defiant independence in the face of Rome, bishops and laity looked to him. Whatever Roman elements the barbarians and Arians left standing in the provinces—and they were not few— were ecclesiasticised and at the same time put under the protection of the Bishop of Rome, who was the chief person there after the Emperor’s disappearance. But in Rome the episcopal throne was occupied in the fifth century by men who understood the signs of the times and utilised them to the full.

    The Roman Church in this way privily pushed itself into the place of the Roman World-Empire, of which it is the actual continuation; the empire has not perished, but has only undergone a transformation. If we assert, and mean the assertion to hold good even of the present time, that the Roman Church is the old Roman Empire consecrated by the Gospel, that is no mere ” clever remark,” but the recognition of the true state of the matter historically, and the most appropriate and fruitful way of describing the character of this Church.

    It still governs the nations; its Popes rule like Trajan and Marcus Aurelius; Peter and Paul have taken the place of Romulus and Remus; the bishops and archbishops, of the proconsuls; the troops of priests and monks correspond to the legions; the Jesuits, to the imperial body-guard.

    The continued influence of the old Empire and its institutions may be traced in detail, down to individual legal ordinances, nay, even in the very clothes. That is no Church like the evangelical communities, or the national Churches of the East; it _is_S-4iolitical_creatipn, and as imposing as a World-Empire, because the continuation of the Roman Empire.

    The Pope, who calls himself” King” and ” Pontifex Maximus,” is Caesar’s successor. The Church, which as early as the third and fourth century was entirely filled with the Roman spirit, has re-established in itself the Roman Empire. Nor have patriotic Catholics in Rome and Italy in every century from the seventh and eighth onwards understood the matter otherwise. When Gregory VII. entered upon the struggle with the imperial power, this is the way in which an Italian prelate fired his ardour:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=mD8MAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA269&dq=what+is+christianity+harnack&as_brr=1&output=text

    So we see the Roman Catholic church of today, in many ways, came about because of a power vaccum that was facilitated by the departing of the roman government to the eastern areas of the empire. so in this instance the roman catholic church held itself out as the government and the official “church” of the world. and so it has become, both a government and a religion.

    we see then what exactly happened. they became a religion of works where you were told lies like you had to work for grace….

    But while there can be no doubt that their intention, and the energy with which they put their hands to the work, made them superior to the Greeks, there can be as little that it is a serious misunderstanding of Christ’s and the apostles’ injunctions to aim at establishing and building up the kingdom of God by political means.

    The only forces which this kingdom knows are religious and moral forces, and it rests on a basis of freedom. But when a church comes forward with the claims of an ‘~ earthly state, it is bound to make use of all the means at the disposal of that state, including, therefore, crafty diplomacy and force; for the earthly state, even a state governed by law, must on occasion (.id)

    So they replaced the freedom which Christ brought with mandatory conformity, and so it is even to this day, as anyone with half a brain can see by reading some of this Catholic rhetoric on this blog….

    Only if the Apostle Paul could back to life for a week and read some of this, I wonder what he would say?

    So now we look at the book of Daniel..

    Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    What was he describing here?

    Rome is described in Dan 7:7 as diverse, or different from previous powers. This is because, as we have seen, the ancient Pagan Roman empire GAVE political power and religious authority to it’s successor, the Roman Catholic Church.

    Note that each of the beasts in Daniel can be described as UNIVERSAL powers that dominated the world at the time. Ancient Rome also was a universal power, yet in time, the Roman empire faded. It’s clear successor is the UNIVERSAL (Catholic) CHURCH - again another universal power. Rome was the diverse fourth power because it evolved from a Pagan Political power, into a Christian religious AND political power, though still dominated by Pagan beliefs.

    The “Little Horn” Power

    Dan 7:8 I considered the (10) horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, …

    Pope Pius IX gave this remarkable testimony:

    “It is, therefore, by a particular decree of Divine Providence that, at the fall of the Roman Empire and its partition into separate kingdoms, the Roman Pontiff, whom Christ made the head and center of his entire Church, acquired civil power.” − Pius IX, Apostolic Letter Cum Catholica Ecclesia, March 26, 1860.

    Source: Papal Teachings: The Church, selected and arranged by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, translated by Mother E. O’Gorman, R.S.C.J., Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart, St. Paul Editions, Boston, © 1980, 1962 by Daughters of St. Paul, Library of Congress catalog card number 62-12454, par. #225, page 160.

    Divine Providence indeed! Daniel had prophesied it! The phrase “little horn” indicates a “little kingdom”. This is one of the distinguishing characteristics of this entity, its small size geographically. The Vatican, the headquarters for the Catholic Church located in Rome, is today the smallest independent country in the world, covering only about 108 acres in size.

    The papal monarchy came up among the divided kingdoms (the 10 horns), after the fall of the Rome Empire, and has had influence greatly disproportionate to its geographical size.

    Dan 7:8 … before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: …

    Who were these three kingdoms that were uprooted? The Heruli (some prefer the Visigoths), the Vandals, and finally the Ostrogoths. Each of them were Arian (denying the divinity of Jesus Christ), considered heretics by the Roman Catholic Church.

    Dan 7:8 … and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High,
    and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
    and think to change times and laws (of the most High):
    and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    Note what I added in parenthesis above. The Little Horn (The Papacy) thinks to be able to change times and laws, and in context it is speaking about the times and laws of God. The little horn power thinks to change these two specific things. Note the following description of the true church:

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which [1] keep the commandments of God, and [2] have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    http://biblelight.net/dragon.htm

    The reason why I keep harping on this matter is this, is that it is my opinion that the Catholic Church always was and always will be a satanic vessel and it was always kept around because in the end times it would be used by satanic Jews to fool both gentile and Jew. There never was a universal church and there never will be.

    Such is the nature of man. God made us this way. It is good enough. When you bow the knee and kiss the pope’s ring, you are saying you agree with the new world order universal church which was created to obvuscate and to fool the masses. Right now the organization is there.

    The people are there. We see how the powerful TBN network has taken off and has satellites all over the world now. Let it be known that most of those who call themselves charismatic come from the Catholic church. so we see that the networks are in place as well.

    Remember folks, one of the goals of the new world order is to destroy the population of the world because they simply do not need all of us around here to run this planet. so they will use this “church” to fool the masses and at the same time while they do what they do. When you support the Catholic church, you support the satanic Jewish new world order.

    This is my gripe and always has been. I realize it is the right of all Amerikans to be free to think what they want. but when you present religious dogma as fact when it is not, then I have a problem with it….

    Let us not forget. Just how many satanic Jews were popes?

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/malachy.htm

    So now the universal world church moves its headquarters to Jerusalem the city that God loves and satan wants as his own…….

    http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=305.0.22.0

    So yes it will be the one universal church, and it will be triumphant for a season but this too shall pass. While the fools of this world are blinded by all of this, the Noahide Laws will be put into force all over the world and then the peace that was promised you will never appear. Hell will come to earth for the time of the tribulation.

    I say to you Catholics this. there is no second chance program. there is no such thing as purgatory.

    http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Purgatory.html

    The Bible is very clear on this.

    And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
    —Hebrews 9:27

    So to you Catholics I say this, please stop insulting my intelligence by saying things that are simply not true. It is bad enough to have to keep up with Jewish inspired and clever perfidy but to constantly have to go back and fight these rear guard actions against what would appear to be well meaning but sorely mislead people, is to put it mildly, a bit disconcerting……

    The defense rest now your honor….

  76. charlie December 12, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

    “…what would appear to be well meaning …”

    Well as long as YOU are well meaning, Katman thats all that matters, as nothing you said was true.

    Attacking people on this site whom you admit, are well meaning?

    Be satisfied that they are, as I am with you, and get on with fighting evil.

    We are not here to attack others or their faith or beliefs but to fight injustice. How can you fight this hatred if you attack people who are in your own words “well meaning’. I reserve my vitriol for those who aren’t.

    Is anything we say doing you or anyone else any harm? If so say so, and why.

    Otherwise you rail against the freedoms you say you are promoting. If you don’t like someone else’s belief, skip it, move on.

    This is a multifaith (including no ‘faith’ at all) site for the purpose of exposing and defeating evil and hatred in the world, not pandering to your or anyone else’s belief system.

  77. KathJuliane December 12, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

    Babylon was the capital of Babylonia, the alluvial plain between the Euphrates and Tigris. After the fall of the Assyrian empire (612 BCE), Babylon became the capital of the ancient Near East, and king Nebuchadnezzar adorned the city with several famous buildings.

    Even when the Babylonian Empire had been conquered by the Persian king Cyrus the Great (539), Babylon remained a splendid city and the theological and political center of international trade, industry and commerce, a great school for the cities and capitals of the world. After the 4th c. BC, the center of political power gradually shifted from the “Fertile Crescent” to the West.

    Alexander the Great and the Seleucid kings respected the city, and made numerous repairs and improvements, but after the mid-second century, the city’s decline started, as the mighty Euphrates began to turn its back on the great City gradually changed course, and the massive energy required for irrigation works to keep it sustained.

    Eventually the city was abandoned and the population and political power shifted north to Baghdad, where the Prince of the Jews, the exilarch of Davidic blood, lived a royal existence until the 11th century AD.

    Meanwhile, however, the founder of the Seleucid dynasty, Seleucus I Nicator, had ordered the building of a new city, Seleucia.

    This was meant as a Greek city, and crown prince Antiochus resettled Europeans that had been left in Babylon in Seleucia. For more than a century, Babylon remained a primarily Babylonian city. It was only Antiochus IV Epiphaness (175-164) who again started a Greek colonizing policy in Babylon.

    In this period, which is well-known from the Astronomical diaries, we can discern at least five different population groups in the city, who had their own administrative institutions:

    1. The original Babylonian citizens, who were represented by the official named šatammu , i.e., the president of the council (kiništu) of the Esagila, the temple of Marduk.

    2. The Greek citizens (politai), under the authority of a “governor of Babylon” or epistatês. They met in the theater.

    3. The royal slaves, led by “the prefect of the king”.

    4. “The people of the land”. This may be a specific reference to the Yehuda’im (”people of the Land” of Judah proper, or “Eretz Israel”), as the Chaldean dialect has it, and that “the land” is old Israel.

    5. The temple slaves.

    Archeology tells us that the urbanized pre-Hellenic Babylonians recognized three levels of citizens. Awelin were free men of the upper classes, Wardu were slaves, and Mushkenu were free men of the lower classes. While the captivity was God’s punishment, it was not marked by any unusual suffering.

    We know from Scripture and Rabbinic history and the Talmud that the Jews married into royalty, served in imperial government offices, were tax-collectors, and the royal courts, and from archaeology that the Jews had many privileges, and were granted considerable self-government.

    Also from Babylonian records, affirming the witness of the OT, most of the deportees of about 50-60,000 from Jerusalem and Judea were the city and walled-town dwellers, priests, prophets, aristocratic elites, officers, petty nobility and the Davidic royal house were originally taken to several settlements, where they worked on the king’s building projects, or entered business as merchants, traders, bankers, and financiers.

    The rest of the population outside of the cities and walled villages, the commoners and peasants, were generally left alone in the still predominantly agricultural economy as “farmers and vinedressers”.

    Babylonian records show Jewish names on clay records of numerous business transactions and at least one successful multi-generational Jewish international banking, financing, and trading house with branch locations in numerous cities.

    “Murashu and Sons”: in today’s terms: – International Bank – Insurance, Conveyancing, Loans – Personal and real estate – Head office: Nippur – Branches everywhere – a firm with a reputation throughout the world, the “Lloyd’s” of Mesopotamia.

    Josephus records that armed caravans of millions of shekels and loads of treasures and wealth arrived each year at the Temple to pay the ½ shekel redemption tax from Babylonian Jewry.

    The majority of the Jewish nation constituted what was known as the dispersion; a term which, however, no longer expressed its original meaning of banishment by the judgment of God, since absence from Palestine was now entirely voluntary.

    As Josephus reminded his countrymen (Judean. Wars 2.16.4), there was “no nation in the world which had not among them part of the Judean people” since it was “widely dispersed over all the world among its inhabitants (7.3.3).

    A century and a half before our era comes to us from Egypt – where the Judeans possessed exceptional privilege – from the Jewish Sibyl, this poetic lament of Israel:

    “Crowding with thy numbers every ocean and country – Yet an offence to all around thy presence and customs!”

    Sixty years later the Greek geographer and historian Strabo bears the like witness to their presence in every land, but in caustic language that shows how true had been the complaint of the Sibyl. Philo speaks of his countrymen as in “all the cities of Europe, in the provinces of Asia and in the islands” of the Mediterranean.

  78. KathJuliane December 12, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

    The Pharisees and Rabbis were inherently hostile to anything “Greek”, even their own Greek-speaking kin. Pharisaism, in its pride of legal purity and f the possession of a vast body of traditional lore, with all that it involved, made no secret of its contempt for the Hellenic Jews, and openly declared the Grecian dispersion far inferior to the Babylonian “dispersion.”

    The Trans-Euphratic Jews, who “inhabited Babylon and many of the other satrapies” of the Parthian Empire (Philo; Jos. Ant 15.3) were included with the Palestinians and the Syrians under the term “Hebrews” from the common language which they spoke.

    Far from the contempt for the Hellenic Jews of the west by the leaders of Judaism, was the high estimate in which the Babylonians were held.

    According to one view of it, Babylonia as well as “Syria” as far north as Antioch, was regarded as forming the land of Israel. Every other country was considered “outside the land”, as Palestine was called, with the exception of Babylonia, which was reckoned a part of Israel (Erub. 21a Gitt. 6a).

    For Syria and Mesopotamia, eastwards to the banks of the Tigris, were supposed to have been in the territory which King David had conquered, and this made them ideally for ever like the land of Israel.

    But it was just between the Euphrates and the Tigris that the largest and wealthiest settlements of the Jews were, to such an extent that a later writer actually designated them “the land of Israel.” Here Nehardaa, on the Nahar Malka, royal canal, the most prestigious location close to the royal palaces themselves, which passed from the Euphrates to the Tigris, was the oldest Jewish settlement.

    It boasted of a great Synagogue, said to have been built by King Jechoniah with stones that had been brought from the Temple. In this major fortified city the vast contributions were deposited by the Eastern Jews, and thence conveyed to their destination under escort of thousands of armed men.

    Another of these Jewish treasure-cities was Nisibis, in northern Mesopotamia. Even the fact that wealth, which must have been a great temptation to ever cash-strapped rulers, could be safely stored in these cities and transported to Palestine, shows how large the Jewish population must have been, and how great their general influence.

    It is of the greatest importance to remember in regard to this Babylonian dispensation, that only a minority of Jews, consisting in all of about 50,000, originally returned from Babylon. Nor was their inferiority confined to numbers.

    The wealthiest and most influential of the Jews remained behind. According to Josephus, with whom Philo substantially agrees, at the start of the Christian era, vast numbers, estimated at millions, in habited the Trans-Euphratic provinces (Ant. 11.5.2; 15.2.2; 18.9).

    To judge by the number of those slain in popular uprisings (50,000 in Seleucid alone) these figures do not seem greatly exaggerated. As a large and compact body it acquired great political power. Kindly treated under the Persian monarchy, they were, after the fall of that empire, favoured by the successors of Alexander.

    When in turn the Macedono-Syrian rule gave place to the reconquest by the Parthian Empire in 63 BC, the Jews formed, from their national opposition to Rome, a very important element in the East. Such was their influence that, as late as the year 40 AD, the Roman legate shrunk from provoking Babylonian Jewry’s hostility.

    To the Palestinian Jews, their brethren of the East and of Syria – to which they had wandered under the fostering rule of the Seleucidae, were pre-eminently the Golah or “dispersion”. To them the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem intimated by fire-signals from mountain-top to mountain-top the commencement of each month for the regulation of the festive calendar, even as they dispatched messengers into Syria for the same purpose.

    In some respects the Eastern dispersion was placed on the same footing; in others, on even a higher levels than the mother-country. Tithes and first-fruits in a prepared condition, were due from them, while the first-fruits in the fresh state, were to be brought from Syria to Jerusalem. Unlike the heathen countries whose very dust defiled, the soil of Syria was declared clean, like that of Palestine itself.

    So for purity of descent was concerned, the Babylonians considered themselves superior to their Palestinian brethren. They had it, that when Ezra took with him those who went to Palestine, he had left the land behind him as pure as fine flour (Kidd. 69b).

    To express it in their own fashion: In regard to genealogical purity of their Jewish inhabitants, all other countries were, compared to Palestine, like dough mixed with leaven; but Palestine itself was such by the side of Babylonia. It was even maintained, that the exact boundaries could be traced in a district, within which the Jewish population had preserved itself unmixed.

  79. KathJuliane December 12, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

    Such was that Hebrew dispersion which, from the first, constituted really the chief part and the strength of the Jewish nation, and with which its religious future was also to lie.

    For it is one of the strangely significant, almost symbolical, facts of history, that after the destruction of Jerusalem the spiritual supremacy of Palestine passed to to Babylonia, and that Rabbinical Judaism, voluntarily transferred itself to the seats of Israel’s ancient adversity, voluntarily transferred itself to the seats of Israel’s ancient dispersion, as if to ratify by its own act what the judgment of God had formerly executed.

    Long before Jewish war against Rome, the “dispersion” had already stretched its hands in every direction following after the peripatetic Greeks and their colonies.

    Northwards, it had spread through Armenia and the Caucasus, and to the shores of the Black Sea, and through Media to those of the Caspian. Eastwards it passed as far as India. Southwards, it extended to the Persian Gulf and the vast extent of Arabia, except that Arabia Felix and the land of the Homerites received their first Jewish colonies from the opposite shores of Greek Ethiopia.

    A generation after the attempt by Antiochus IV Epiphanes to populate Babylon with Europeans, the Parthians conquered Babylonia (141). The city suffered, but remained an important center of learning.

    For example, the Babylonian astronomers known as Chaldaeans were still studying the skies, and the Akitu festival was still celebrated. The Greek community still celebrated its own festivals, followed the Hellenistic religious fashion by introducing the ruler cult, and organized athletic contests. Babylonian Jewry followed its own religious customs in their own synagogues.

    Yet, it appears that the city’s decline had begun at this point and major operations began shifting to Baghdad. When the Roman emperor Trajan invaded Babylonia in 116-117, he was disappointed by the ruins. Still, as late as the late second century, texts were written in the Babylonian language, and the theater was restored.

  80. morris December 12, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

    David Aaronovitch debunks the 911 truth movement.

    And with a lot of suggestions of Israeli involvement in 911

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPbPJcVjUGA

  81. Fr. Joseph December 12, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

    Katman,

    Hope you realize you are WASTING so many people’s time here with your MIS-history!

    Regarding St. Peter the Apotle IN ROME:

    Scroll down to St. Peter’s “Activity and Death IN ROME; Burial Place” here:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm

    If YOU won’t do that, then let EVERY LAST RZN reader from ANY religion and ANY denomination do it!

    Next, get yourself a copy of EUSEBIUS’ Church History from here:

    http://www.amazon.com/Eusebius-Church-History/dp/0825433282

    If YOU won’t do that, then let EVERY LAST RZN reader from ANY religion or ANY denomination do it!

    Futhermore, the WESTERN Roman Emporer Constantine did NOT move the Roman Empire’s Capitol to Constantinople until AFTER his Edict of Milan of 313 A.D.. Period.

    Edict of Milan - 313 A.D.
    http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/constantine/g/edictofmilan.htm

    The WESTERN Roman Emporer Constantine, it is reported, DID NOT ACCEPT Christian Baptism until on his death bed.

    The Church Councils of Carthage and Hippo, 397 A.D. and 400 A.D. estbalished the Canon of Sacred Christian Scriptures - aka ‘The Bible’ with the Apostolic writings of THE APOSTLES and their immediate helpers, i.e. St. Peter’s helper St. Mark as well as St. Paul’s helper St. Luke..

    The BISHOP OF ROME approved and gave his Bishop of ROME’S ‘Seal of Approval’ for YOUR Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture.

    The Roman Emporer Constantine DID NOT live in the time of the Apostles 300 years prior!

    The Roman Emporer Constantine WAS NOT THERE when THE LOGOS, God Incarnate, Jesus the Christ Personally CONFERRED onto St. Peter his status and standing in HIS Church as ‘The Rock’ upon which He was going to build HIS Church - and NOT some Roman Emporer who He would grant life to 300 years LATER after His Death, Resurrection and Ascension!

    THE LOGOS began building His Church on A PERSON, St. Peter, as HEAD of His Apostles.

    THE LOGOS did NOT begin to build His Church with a Roman Emporer moving his capitol city to Constantinople nearly 400 years LATER!

    Now if the PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE and the PATRIARCHS OF THE EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE believed that a ROMAN EMPORER (who allowed the CHRISTIANS of the Roman Empire to be martyred and persecuted for nearly 300 years AFTER Our Lord’s Crucifixion, Resurrection and Ascension into HIS Heavenly Kingdom) was ‘GOD INCARNATE II’ so as to DENOUNCE the succesors of the Bishop of ROME - I can’t help THAT historical development.

    So get your historical FACTS together in order TO STOP poisoning the minds of readers here on RZN.

    God the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF TRUTH!

    Go ask God the HOLY SPIRIT to grant you His Divine Graces in order to LEAD YOU into the COMPLETE TRUTH.

    God the Holy Spirit LOVES people here in this Lying-Myth Making World of ours wherein everyone winds up ‘BLOWING SMOKE’ into each other’s eyes so that NO ONE is able to ‘See Clearly Enough’.

    If we ALL were but to TAKE OUR SEATS and SHUT UP and PAY ATTENTION with a DOCILE MIND and a DOCILE HEART to what God the Holy Spirit DESIRES to Teach us ALL - 6 billion human souls on this planet earth of His Creating and His Sustaining - we just MIGHT get out of this Satanic Mess that is our World of 2009 Anno Domini!

    - Fr. Joseph

  82. jgalindes December 12, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

    The Jews rejoice with the internal fractures of the Church.

    Every time we exchange offences they roll with laughter!

    I can’t see any Catholic doing damage here, quite on the contrary.

    Just skip any uncomfortable, repetitive or “heretical” comment, that’s it!

    We must devote all our energies in trying, even if too late, to overcome the pressing roller: The Jews.

    Few have elaborated on this article’s subject, even having this excellent social scientist a very prolific literary throughput from which we can learn so much.

    The problem my friends are the Jews.

  83. Michael K. December 12, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

    Dear Katman,

    Thank you for a very insightful post. I respect your views generally here, and have researched the links provided above in depth. The historical material on Roman history is alone worth reading, to me. Particularly interesting was this one quoting the early church fathers regarding Rome as the mystery of iniquity:

    http://biblelight.net/fathers-on-antichrist.htm

    If I may ask without sounding too contentious, how do you describe ‘true Christianity’? Are you so anti-Roman that you favor the Messianic Jew approach. Or is it all the other direction and you embrace the Arian heresy? Or some Gnostic sect perhaps? Was ‘true Christianity’ actually discovered by you and 143,999 very special Protestants some time in the last hundred years?

    Stated succinctly, where does historical Christian validity end? Justinian? Constantine? Earlier? And where does it start being valid again so that you can presumably be one of the ‘true Christians’?

    I ask you this not to be fresh, and not to defend Roman notions of supremacy. It is just very interesting to me to see how anyone with your views constructs the answers to these questions. I favor the Orthodox approach, not out of some ethnic allegiance to certain countries of which I am not a native, for certainly I am Irish, Scottish and German, none of which are Orthodox countries (or haven’t been for a very long time).

    But I have given it some thought, and believe that since the Eastern Church always had a sitting Roman emperor of some sort, it never became a political alternative to the Roman state. Rather, it focused on maintaining the traditions and knowledge of the early Fathers. I can find no better evidence of the continual existence and preservation of the Christian faith than there in the East. Do you possess a different answer? If so I would respectfully listen.

    Peace in Christ.

  84. jgalindes December 12, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

    Yes, Br.Nathanael, another interview with Prof. Kevin MacDonald is very welcome.

    According to MacDonald:

    “The four background traits of ethnocentrism, intelligence, psychological intensity, and aggressiveness result in Jews being able to produce formidable, effective groups—groups able to have powerful, transformative effects on the peoples they live among.

    In the modern world, these traits influence the academic world and the world of mainstream and elite media, thus amplifying Jewish effectiveness compared with traditional societies.

    However, Jews have repeatedly become an elite and powerful group in societies in which they reside in sufficient numbers. It is remarkable that Jews, usually as a tiny minority, have been central to a long list of historical events.”

    Group intelligence is taken from granted when speaking of the Jews.

    MacDonald said that the practice of learning by head the Talmud was used as a form of identifying/ameliorating group intelligence, arranging marriages among the best, the leftovers pushed into the goy’s reproductive pool.

    But, what is the real purpose of the synagogue?

    Is it true that Jews receive their “social coordinates” through the rabbis?

  85. KathJuliane December 12, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

    Many of the Apostles (the chief Twelve Apostles and also the Seventy Apostles as well as Apostle Paul) used Antioch, Syria as their headquarters and way station on the way to and from Jerusalem and elsewhere. With Rome as the “hub” of the system, came the now-famous saying that “All roads lead to Rome.”

    To accommodate the necessary transportation of economic goods and military forces of the Pax Romana, the road system was quite remarkable in its extended from throughout Britain in the west, to the Tigris-Euphrates Rivers (including the province of Babylonia, home of immensely wealthy and powerful Babylonian Jewry) in the east, and from the Danube River in central Europe to as far south as North Africa.

    The total length of hard-surfaced highways constructed by the Romans has been estimated to be well over 50,000 miles, much of which is still visible today after so many centuries. It actually made for a fairly mobile society despite being preponderantly an agricultural society, and anyone who was a Roman citizen, as Paul was, could travel those roadways free of tolls and in relative safety from robbers.

    Josephus lived in the same age with St. Peter. He writes about an event which took place thirty-six years before the Christian era, namely, the delivery of Hyrcanus, the Jewish high priest, from imprisonment, by order of Phraates, king of Parthia, with permission to reside in Babylon, where there was a considerable number of Jews.

    Josephus then adds, that both the Jews in Babylon, and all who dwelt in that country, as far as the Euphrates, respected Hyrcanus, as high priest and king. Antiq. 15.2.2.

    Antioch, the Tetropolis, “Four Cities”, the “Queen of the East” and the core of the former Seleucid Empire, was at one time the third-largest city-state in the Roman Empire, after Alexandria in Egypt, and Rome itself.

    There were a number of other cities by the same name, so this Antioch was known as Antioch on the Orontes (i.e. the Orontes River, along which it was located), or Antioch of Syria (or Syrian Antioch), to distinguish it from, for example, Pisidian Antioch which was located to the north in what is today Turkey.

    Two routes from the Mediterranean, lying through the Orontes gorge and the Beilan Pass, converge in the plain of the Antioch Lake, and are met there by the road from the Amanic Gates (Baghche Pass) and western Commagene, which descends the valley of the Kara Su (one of the headwaters of the Euphrates); and the roads from eastern Commagene and the Euphratean crossings at Samosata and Apamea Zeugma (bridge-cities on both sides of the Euphrates), which descend the valleys of the Afrin and the Kuwaik, and;

    the road from the Euphratean ford at Thapsacus, which skirts the fringe of the Syrian steppe. A single route proceeds south in the Orontes valley. To defend the important city - first against the Parthians and later against the Sasanians - the Romans first moved the frontier border to the Euphrates and from there to the Tigris, thus incorporating Babylonia.

    Babylonian Jewry was a thorn in both the Roman and Parthian sides, but most often their sympathies lay with the Parthians, which was the eastern successor of Alexander’s ancient empire.

    Antioch was founded by Seleucus Nicator, one of Alexander’s generals, around 300 B.C. It was a busy maritime city from early on, about 20 miles from the Mediterranean Sea up the Orontes River. It was also on a natural route to Jerusalem, 300 miles to the south.

  86. KathJuliane December 12, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

    The historical facts are that after the biblical exile, a much greater proportion of Jews stayed in Babylonia after their liberation than returned to Palestine. Now they lived in “Diaspora” not “exile”. The Jewish intellectuals who had stayed on in Babylonia created the first Jewish cultural Diaspora capital in Babylon, and soon began to influence the art, politics and culture of Jerusalem. Babylon was the center of international trade, banking and commerce, and Babylonian Jewry dominated it.

    Unearthed Babylonian records show that in the Inter-testament period, Jews in Babylonia were highly successful international bankers, financiers, merchants, and traders, lawyers and government officials. It is also well recorded that Jewesses married frequently into royal houses and were Persian queens until at least the 7th century.

    The Babylonian Jew ethnarch as the political leader was the Gaon or Prince a scion of the Davidic bloodline, was made head of the international ethnarch state and the presidents of the Jewish Babylonian academies became the Eminences of Judaism. Under the Seleucids the Babylonian Jews continued with these activities as well.

    A Jewish traveler, Benjamin of Tudela, Navarre, who visited Baghdad in the 12th c, left a vivid, first-hand report of the abuse [correction] homage accorded to a Gaon by both Jews and Moslems:

    “And every Thursday when he goes to pay a visit to the great Calif, horsemen — non-Jews as well as Jews — escort him, and heralds proclaim in advance: “Make way before our Lord, the son of David, as is due unto him,” the Arabic words being Amilu tarik la Saidna ben Daoud. He is mounted on a horse, and is attired in robes of silk and embroidery with a large turban on his head, and from the turban is suspended a long white cloth adorned with a chain upon which the seal of Mohammed is engraved.

    Then he appears before the Calif and kisses his hand, and the Calif rises and places him on a throne which Mohammed had ordered to be made in honor of him, and all the Mohammedan princes who attend the court of the Calif rise up before him.”

    (Interestingly, there is nothing in the Koran that suggests that Mohammed ever ordered a throne for the Gaon in Baghdad, Babylonia. In fact under Arab rule in the first century, the Muslims actually preferred the Christians to work in their administrations. St. John of Damascus was also a high place government officer in the Arab Caliph’s court.)

    The Diaspora of the Jews was divided between the Greek-speaking world of most of the Roman Empire (hence Hellenic Jews), and the Aramaic-speaking world of the Semitic peoples in Palestine, Asia Minor, Syria, Mesopotamia, Arabia, etc (the “Hebrew” or Aramaic speaking Jews).

    Antioch, Syria was not only a major metropolis of four cities built on hills, it was a major center and gateway to the communities of both Aramaic-speaking Jews, as well as the Greek-speaking Jews, of which there were tens of thousands in the city itself. Antioch was also a favorite resort of the aristocratic Jews of Jerusalem. If they quarreled with each other in their own respective communities, they stood united against the Greeks and native Syrians of various ethnic composition, from Goth to Persian to Phrygian to Phoenician to other Semitic tribes.

    However, Antioch as a Greek city-state also had its own privileged citizenship status, as many city-states did, like Tarsus. And the citizens of the city, Jew or Gentile, often at each other’s throats in constant religious irritation, trying to get the upper hand in politics, would then join together if anything upset the status quo or challenged the honor of the city.

    Antioch was probably founded in 307 BCE as Antigoneia by one of the successors of the Macedonian conqueror Alexander the Great, Antigonus Monophthalmus.

    The details are unclear, but we know of the existence of this earlier city, and we know it was more ore less in the area of later Antioch, and it is logical that the city was renamed after it had been captured by Antigonus’ arch-enemy, Seleucus I Nicator. This happened after the Battle of Ipsus (301). Almost immediately, the victor founded four cities in northwestern Syria:

    Seleucia, named after himself;
    Antioch, named after his father Antiochus;
    Apamea, named after his wife Apame I;
    and Laodicea, named after his mother.

    This tetrapolis (”land of four cities”) was to remain the core of the Seleucid Empire. It was extremely powerful in our Lord’s day and the commission of the Apostles, and remained so for several centuries.

    There were probably two million Aramaic speaking Jews throughout the Roman Middle East, and probably another two million in the Parthian Empire, the eastern half of Alexander’s old empire. In the Roman Empire, at estimates of 70 million, demographers propose that there were about seven million Greek-speaking Jews total inclusive of Palestine in colonies in Roman Africa, Asia, and Europe.

    The Jewish quarter of Rome probably had about 30,000. Their political and economic powerhouse was Alexandria, Egypt, the great shipping center of the Meditteranean, in which lived at least 200,000 Jews.

    Antioch was literally a city where East meets West and also where Jerusalem and Rabbinic Phariseeism exerted a powerful influence. Antioch was the Apostolic headquarters of all the Apostles commission to the Nations — to the Greco-Roman West and the Aramaic-Persian East, and it was the closest major city to Jerusalem the Mother Church.

    Sadly, the Church of Antioch became divided over the Christological positions of the Council of Chalecdon which resulted in the Rum (as it was known at that time in Aramaic and Arabic) Orthodox Church and the Syriac Orthodox Church are literally the of the most ancient Christian Churches tracing its roots to the Church of Antioch, the City which was once famous “Queen of the East”, which, with its population of more than half a million, its beautiful site, its trade and culture, and its important military position, was a not unworthy rival of Alexandria, the second city of the Roman empire (cf. Josephus, Bel. Jud., 3.2.4)
    .
    Founded in 300 B.C. by Seleucus I (Nicator), King of Syria, Antioch stood on the Orontes (Nahr el Asi), at the point or junction of the Lebanon and of the Taurus ranges.
    The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch (Acts of the Apostles 11:26).

    Its harbour, fifteen miles distant, was Seleucia (cf. Acts 13:4). The name by which Antioch was distinguished [’Antiochía ‘e pròs (or ’epi) dáphne, now, Bet el ma, five miles west from Antioch] came from the ill-famed sacred grove of Daphne, renowned for asylum, and had become the haunt of every foulness.

    However, The Judeans had been among the original settlers, and, as such, had been granted by the founder here, as in other cities built by him, citizenship and equal rights, with the Macedonians and the Greeks (Jos. Ant., 12.3.1; Contra Ap., 2.4). The influence of the Antiochene Judeans, living, as in Alexandria, under a governor of their own, and forming a large percentage of the population, was very great (Josephus, Ant. Rom., 12.3.1; Bel. Jud., 7.3.3).

    As a side note, in Hebrew Gôyîm was translated as the Greek ethne, ethnikoi, or Hellen or Hellenikos, while a Greek-speaking Jew was Hellenistes. In the Vulgate it was translated as the Latin Gentes, Gentiles, Graeci).

  87. Norseman December 12, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

    SPIRAL SEEN FROM NORWAY, 2

    Dear Michael K., Lynda and other friends,

    I am well aware that most of news are manipulated, and that we seldom get to know the truth. Regarding the spiral seen from Norway, however, it seems that it was really caused by a Bulava missile out of control.

    Please note:

    1) Russia released a warning to neighbouring countries IN ADVANCE that they were to conduct a missile test in the southern White Sea. The submarine actually left the harbour before the test.
    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/10-12-2009/111033-bulava_spiral-0

    2) The shape of the spiral agrees with the hypothesis that the third stage failed in the outer atmosphere, where drag is minimal. Otherwise we would have seen a descending “corkscrew”.

    3) Why would Russia recognize the embarrassing fact that one of its most prestigious intercontinental missile system failed another test (the sixth out of eleven), if it were not so? To hide what the (enemy) military is doing in the Tromso base? This is rather unlikely.

    Please do not understand me wrong. I am not trying to deny HAARP. Just that in this case there is another, more likely explanation.

    By the way Michael K., I appreciate the honesty in your comments. Only looking for the TRUTH are we keeping what Jesus Christ taught us.

  88. Norseman December 12, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

    EU FLAG AND OTHER SYMBOLS

    Dear Charlie,

    Thank you for the clarification, after I sent the comment I realized that you were transcribing the article in the Catholic Herald.

    I wish I could also see the better part of these symbols, like you – in a very Christian way - do, hoping that they somehow “exorcize” the demons out of our countries.

    When I see these symbols, I rather see the enslaved nations, the “multicultural” society, the satanic bureaucrats sitting in Brussels and the freemasons rubbing their hands in the lodges, conspiring against their own people.

    I see the Jews bribing our politicians, even our bishops and cardinals in the Holy Catholic Church. I see the millions of unborn babies killed as a sacrifice to the serpent, and I see the LIES and the HATE being poured upon the world.

    Jesus and our Heavenly Father are seeing all this too, for sure. What do you think that they will do?

    “AND THEN SHALL THAT WICKED BE REVEALED, WHOM THE LORD SHALL CONSUME WITH THE SPIRIT OF HIS MOUTH, AND SHALL DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING” (2 Thessalonians, 2:8)

    The world and its ruler hates us. This is not a popularity contest. We are not of the world.
    My brothers and sisters in Christ: may we all stand together for JESUS CHRIST, regardless of which confession we are. “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12).

    May God bless you in this third Advent, while we prepare for the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  89. Lynda December 12, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

    Katman,

    Do yourself and the Christians reading / commenting here a favour and study the early Fathers of the Church before you hit the keyboard with your heresies against the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon.

    St Iranaeus.(A.D. 180. Against Heresies 3:3:2) refers to “the very great, very ancient and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two glorious Apostles Peter and Paul”

    St John Chrysostum. Bishop of Constatinople. Epistle to the Romans. Homily 32 (c 391) “I esteem Rome blessed on this account that in his lifetime Bl Peter wrote to them and loved them and talked with them whiles he was with us and brought his life to a close there.”

    Or better yet read Chalcedron on the foundation of the Petrine Office in Rome and its episcopal authority. There are some rather hefty anathemas attatched to those who choose to oppose themselves to that authority.

    Now, it is a fact that Saint Peter’s Chair in Rome is overthrown. Dancing the Hora and high fiving on the wreck does not establish your argument - but rather characterizes you as an ignoramus.

    The gates of hell can not prevail against the Rock of the Petrine Office because it is established upon the person of our Lord Himself, the cornerstone and foundation of His Church.

    Blessed Peter will always have successors because (as stated by Chalcedon) our Lord entrusted the custody of the Vine to him and his successors. Whereever is the Successor of Pope Gregory XVII - that is where the Chair of Peter is. In history the Chair has been at Jerusalem, at Antioch and at Rome. Now its whereabouts is underground and unknown because the Church is in eclipse.

    We are living through a time that is worse than at the time of the Arian heresy and you use this as an opportunity for an ‘antipapist’ rant. For shame.

  90. katman December 12, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

    michael k,

    my Christian perspective is basically Pauline. Simple and to the point. No frills. Most of the preachers in my day have been those who make your ears itch when you go to church and to me, this is a good thing.

    My viewpoint is this. Truth is truth. I come from a Baptist perspective. I know about John Calvin and his trickery. I know all about it. I know what his mission was in England. I know that Luther at first was helped by Jews. But then he found out why they were helping them and denounced them in no uncertain terms.

    Most of those people who I went to church with haven’t got a clue about any of this, I can assure you of this. They are all neocons to a man. They as well as I, have always been taught that the Jews were God’s chosen people. Blah blah blah…it is a hard thing to change. but Ichanged on that and many other things. It is part of the growing process. I and only I, out of a church of perhaps 20,000 came out of the fog.

    Don’t ask me why this happened. Truth is a terrible thing. It is a blessing and at the same time it is a curse. However, when we search for truth, we must be prepared to examine each and every aspect of any and all matters in this world. and to some, on this very blog, that includes, (perhaps for them), can cause some irritation, while an examination of the Catholic church and why it is here is discussed.

    Charles says, well we are all here to fight the new world order. to that I say yes it is true. But, it is my contention and has been after much reading on the subject that the Catholic church is a creation to be used by the satanic Jews in their quest for one world government. It is the great Whore of Babylon and this can be deduced by its relationship with Simon the Sorcerer, the man who tried to buy the gift of healing from the apostles.

    Simon was living in the area of Samaria where the apostles were at that time and approached them, after his false conversion. he was a Babylonian by birth. the Babylonians had brought people from their country to populate that area because they had taken all of the Israelites to Babylon. Frankly I think he followed some of the apostles to Rome in order to make money off his tricks and magic. This was the start of the Catholic church.

    http://www.reformation.org/simon_peter_versus_simon_magus.html

    Then the seal of the state was put on it by Constantine later on….

    So yes I am here to fight the new world order but we must know that the new world order will have a universal new world order church in order to fool those who need fooling. So what better church to fulfill that order than the one we have before us today? It is worldwide, the Rothschilds control their money. Their sister TBN has worldwide satellite coverage now in almost all countries and is ready for its appointed usage. So to the Jew, the Catholic church is the fulfillment of Judaism…..in their own words…

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/whycatholic.htm

    There is a little leaven in this. Can you see it?

    1 Corinthians 5

    1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

    3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    So we must fight the new world order and if that new world order contains something called the Catholic church then this must be addressed yesterday. There can be no denying it. Just pretending that this is not so, does not make it not so. I leave you with this from Jesus Himself.

    Mathew 7:3

    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? so to my Catholic brothers in arms I say wake up, you are being used……no doubt about it…..

  91. Hi December 12, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

    Kevin McDonald is the antithesis of Freud “putting Judaism on the couch.”

  92. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 2:10 am

    Dear Michael K and Norseman,

    Doing some fact noodling here, not discounting anything, and am no scientist.

    The mention of HAARP led me to ponder some other possibilities, of a combination of just right natural weather and manmade circumstances.

    My personal pet theory — considering Obummer was heading up to Norway to grab his Pea$e prize is that maybe it was a UFO after all, and maybe the “space brothers” replaced a malfunctioning Obummer puppet with a clone that doesn’t need a telemprompter, and gets frozen in his The Thinkeresque chin-resting-on-hand “thinking…thinking…thinking mode” for months at a time. Er, uhm, hum…er, looking pre$idential.

    Tromso is about 300 km above the Artic Circle, land of the Midnight Sun, where all kinds of different sun and light phenomena happen because of the angle of the sun as being below the horizon. The photos would have us believe that it is night time, when actually time-wise, it is morning. The whole phenomena lasted about two minutes, with a phantom blue light remaining for several hours. From your news link:

    Totto Eriksen, from Tromsø, told VG Nett: ‘It spun and exploded in the sky,’

    He spotted the lights as he walked his daughter Amalie to school. [Other accounts say he was driving her to school], but in any case it is actually early polar morning.

    He said: ‘We saw it from the Inner Harbor in Tromsø. It was absolutely fantastic.
    ‘It almost looked like a rocket that spun around and around and then went diagonally down the heavens.

    ‘It looked like the moon was coming over the mountain, but then came something completely different.’

    The Tromso Geophysical Observatory said it was not an aurora borealis. This would be true. According to Wiki below, even though Tromso is in the aurora borealis zone (which is centered around magnetic north, not the North Pole), because of the earth’s rotation, the city is only in the zone from 6 pm to midnight, and Totto said he was **taking his daughter to school**, so it was well outside the aurora viewing time.

    First, there is certainly a big difference in the quality of the professional photos with the amateur ones, which show the phenomenon as rather faint in the sky, or else very blurry. The amateur ones show a much dimmer and smaller light show in the smaller portion of the sky at a distance in relation to the mountains.

    The professional ones, especially the first one on your link, looks like it was a 25-30 second exposure or longer through likely a telephoto lens, which would probably be necessary for someone used to taking night sky shots, or aurora borealis, in order to intensify photo image. And that would require a tripod, and a little setup time. (Then again, how did a professional quality photographer happen to be in the right place at the right time?)

    But using a telephoto lens, greatly foreshortens the distance in an optical illusion, kind of stacking objects next to each other. And who knows how it was cropped or enlarged.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troms%C3%B8

    “Tromsø is in the middle of the Aurora Borealis (northern lights) zone, and is in fact one of the best places in the world to observe this phenomenon. Because of the planet’s rotation, Tromsø moves into the aurora zone around 6 pm, and moves out again around midnight. Due to 24-hr daylight, no aurora is visible between late April and mid August.

    Tromso is above the Arctic circle, the sun remains below the horizon from about 26 November to 15 January, but due to the mountains the sun is absent from the center from 21 November to 21 January. The return of the sun is an occasion for celebration.

    **Due to the twilight, there is some daylight for a couple of hours even around midwinter, often with beautiful bluish light”** also called Arctic light.

    But then I found that there are what are called in the recently discovered mesosphere “noctilucent clouds”, which are luminous electric blue, blue-white, or sometimes just pale white, ranging from 50 to 85 km high hovering on the edge of space which display a generally similar light phenomena naturally, are usually seen in polar areas 50-70 deg latitude north or south. They are visible from certain angles when the sun is 6 to 16 degrees below the horizon.

    To get somewhat in the ballpark of the phenomenon, this page gives a simple diagram of the angles of the sun, the noctilucent clouds, and where the observer would be capable of seeing them, and an idea of the distance involved for the viewer.
    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/19feb_nlc.htm

    This page is of a rocket exhaust cloud in Finland.
    http://www.atm.helsinki.fi/~tpnousia/gengal/rocket.html

    These pages show noctilucent clouds with some of the brilliant electric blues from Finland that are not electromagnetic:
    http://www.atm.helsinki.fi/~tpnousia/nlcgal/nlcgal.html

    http://www.atm.helsinki.fi/~tpnousia/gengal/nlc.html

    Of course, none of these natural noctilucent clouds, or the rocket exhaust cloud, are perfectly artistic geometric spirals, but seem to fall well within the color and brilliance range.

    That would take something manmade.

    I would guess that the propulsion of the Balusa missiles might be by way of a single solid fuel rocket motor with two exhausts on either side of the missile. The off-set exhausts would cause the missile to spin during flight, so it would need a good guidance system to keep it in trim.

    If the guidance system was off or failed, it would ascend in ever widening spirals. These things are meant to reach something like 1200 km altitude. Presuming it was a failed rocket test at the third stage, which would mean it was well past then my guess is that the rocket just kept oscillating in wider and wider spirals as it went up through the atmosphere.

    The mesosphere is not only very cold (-125 C), but also very dry — “one hundred million times dryer than air from the Sahara desert.” Nevertheless, NLCs are made of water. The clouds consist of tiny ice crystals about the size of particles in cigarette smoke. They first started appearing after the eruption of Krakatoa in 1885.

    How ice crystals form in the arid mesosphere is a scientific mystery of noctilucent clouds, because it is very dry.

    As it rose the rocket exhaust would have particulate matter and water vapor, as well as heat to melt atmospheric ice crystals, and then have it all instantly refreeze to form a usually invisible spiraling contrail.

    Except that the sun happened to be also at the proper angle of light refraction to catch it at the right time as a weird manmade noctilucent cloud, with just the right combination of arctic light as well, which is blue. The White Sea is directionally southeast of Tromso, which would put it in the direction of the rising polar sun which wouldn’t break the horizon, which would seem like it would be a situation similar to the linked graph above.

    Most of the event was over in a few minutes, with just the blue light remaining for some time. That might be explainable from the change of angle and refraction of the sun.

    Anyway, that’s my 3 cents worth.

  93. Michael K. December 13, 2009 @ 2:14 am

    Dear Norseman,

    Thank you for your kind words, and may we stay loyal to the Truth. In the case of the Pravda article above, I have read it and find it to contain nothing of new information or proof, but as I had earlier indicated would happen, the endless spinning of the same initial cover story.

    Remember, we have at the current time an official denial that the sub was in that area, and an admission of a late stage rocket failure coupled with no credit being taken for the spiral. The Pravda story only confirms the details we already knew, which were too vague to conclude anything positive from.

    Another intresting clue, in searching for further comment I found this:

    http://www.newsique.com/world/strange_blue_light_seen_over_nor/

    ‘Truls Lynne Hansen, the head of Troms (Tromso?) Geophysical Observatory in northern Norway told CNN missile launches were a common sight in the area.

    “We have seen rockets being launched from north-west Russia, and the rocket range in Kiruna in northern Sweden, and from the neighboring Andenes in northern Norway, but nothing like this,” Hansen said.

    “Normally we see the second stage of the rocket burning then it disappears. This was something very unusual,” he added.’

    So lets just recap, we don’t really have an official confirmation in Pravda, just another counterfeit linkage through juggling prepositions and words like “confirmation”. And here we have what in court would be called a “professional witness” who says he sees rocket launches all the time, and this ain’t one. You decide.

  94. Michael K. December 13, 2009 @ 2:48 am

    Dear Katman,

    Thank you for your response. I have a great deal of sympathy for you, as I am pretty much surrounded by Protestants, very few of whom come to such an understanding as you. You have got your cross to bear. Banish the thought that you would be made unwelcome here, however your truth chafes, because you are what we need: a Baptist who found his way out of the ‘British Israel’, Scofieldism box.

    Just avoid ad hominem comments aimed directly at confronting individuals themselves, rather than their ideas or perhaps heresies. This is our blog’s specific application of the Golden Rule. You are saying things which are arguably heretical, and I’m not encouraging heresy. However, you made serious inroads to the Truth, so let’s keep it going. We need a Protestant perspective like yours, in my opinion, and dear Skip Baker seems to be less active than he used to be.

    I hope that having a Baptist with expansive views and understandings will encourage Protestant readers to consider the MESSAGE. I guess you might say that this is my Catholic Ecumenism. I do truly believe that we are all children of the One Mother Church, and that we must see ourselves like a crystal with many facets.

    This is the good antithesis to the spurious Ecumenism of late, which muddies the crystal clear waters with so much malarky, and submerges Christ’s message beneath a torrent of conflicting creeds and crossed ideas. This latter Ecumenism dilutes away the living waters with the stagnant and muddy.

    Whereas the former Ecumenism I believe we are participants in is like the crystal of pure water forming in the midst of the mire, drawing together the other molecules of like purity into an intricate and unfolding matrix. I guess I’ve got winter on the brain, but darn it’s been cold.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  95. miranda December 13, 2009 @ 4:48 am

    Thanks to commentator Frank, above, for his YouTube tribute to Brother Nathanael. Outstanding effort!!

  96. Fr. Joseph December 13, 2009 @ 10:01 am

    Katman,

    “The more OBVIOUS something is, the more likely it will be OVERLOOKED.” - A Lay Carmelite’s saying

    So you know all about Luther, about Calvin and about the Baptist Convention and the 20,000 members of the Baptist church you once attended and it’s “Neocon-ism”.

    Yet, you come ‘loaded for bear’ against the Catholic Church! WHAT GIVES WITH YOU???

    The International OCCULT Alliance formed by international Freemasonry, international Rosicrucianism, international Satanism, Luciferianism & ALL of their attending Hermetic Orders along with the international Kabbalahists formed their spiritual alliance back in 1931 A.D. at the King George V hotel in Paris, France in order TO DESTROY the Catholic Church!

    They couldn’t CARE LESS about the Baptist churches and conventions.

    They couldn’t CARE LESS about the Lutheran church, about the Church of England, about the thousands upon thousands of ‘protestant’ denominations all across this World of ours.

    And they couldn’t CARE LESS about the Eastern Orthodox Churches - the Russian Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Syrian Orthodox Church, the Coptic Orthdodox Church.

    They, the Satanists/Occultists, are “out to get” MY Catholic Church!

    You are STILL “intoxicated” with your Baptist’s Scoffieldisms and your CALVINIST rantings and railins about the CATHOLIC CHURCH being 1) ‘The Whore Of Babylon’ and 2) the Bishop of Rome is ‘The Anti-Christ’!

    Shoot - I have to contend with everyone from the Eastern Orthodox Churches here in their mutual AGREEMENT WITH the Scoffield’d Calvinist Baptists that the Bishop of Rome is ‘The Anti-Christ’ AS WELL!

    If the Freemasons are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Roscicrucians are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Satanists, Luciferians, Hermetic Orders are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Kabbalahists are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Baptists are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Lutherans are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if every last Protestant denomination is AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Russian Orthodox Church is AGAINST the Catholic Church, if all of the Eastern Orthodox Churches are AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Communists, Bolsheviks, neo-pagan secularists are all AGAINST the Catholic Church, if the Illumnists and Gnostics and New Agers are likewise ALL against the Catholic Church - then perhaps, just perhaps - for ONE BRIEF MOMENT - consider the POSSIBILITY that the Catholic Church IS Christ Jesus’ Own Church Militant here one earth for but ONE FLEETING MOMENT!

    - Fr. Joseph

  97. Fr. Joseph December 13, 2009 @ 10:17 am

    Katman,

    “For Your Information”…

    1) Warnings From Beyond to the Contemporary Church (Confessions of Hell) @

    http://www.tldm.org/News4/WarningsFromBeyond.1of3.htm

    2) Satanism Is Practiced in the Vatican

    http://www.tldm.org/news/martin.htm

    3) The Devil’s Final Battle

    http://www.devilsfinalbattle.com/intro.htm

    4) Pope Leo XIII’s 1884 A.D. mystical experience of SATAN challenging OUR LORD that he and his seen human allies and his unseen elemental demonics COULD/WOULD destroy the Lord’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church Militant here in this World and planet earth of ours:

    http://www.stmichaelusa.org/smhistoryprayer.php

    Now ON YOUR OWN - go do an Internet research on

    1) ‘The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Venditi’ and

    2) ‘A List of Masons in the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church’ and

    3) ‘The Murder of Pope John Paul I’

    …NOW THEN…

    Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you and everyone else here on RZN will FINALLY get ‘The Big Picture’ of what these past 125 years of Human History have REALLY been all about!

    - Fr. Joseph

  98. Fr. Joseph December 13, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

    Now regarding all of these JEWISH sects, all of these PROTESTANT sects, all of these ZIONIST inspired sects, all of these NEW AGE sects, all of these MASONIC, ROSICRUCIAN, SATANIC-LUCIFERIAN, HERMETIC and KABBALAHIST sects and every last one of the “Yada-Yada-Yada-Yada-Yada” sects having broken out and ARE breaking out like a BAD CASE of GLOBAL SPIRITUAL “ACNE” on the spiritual faces of Mankind in our World of 2009 Anno Domini, what does GOD THE FATHER of us all have to say about THAT???

    “Believe Me, if you had begun to honour Me wiht a special devotion from the times of the EARLY CHURCH, after twenty centuries few men would remain living in idolatry, in paganism and in SO MANY FALSE and EVIL SECTS, in which man is running blindly towards the ABYSS OF ETERNAL FIRE! And see how much work remains to be done!”

    GOD our FATHER in Heaven also has this to say about ‘SO MANY FALSE and EVIL SECTS’ of our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini:

    “And THE GREATEST MEANS of securing your (Eternal) Salvation, despite your falls, is THE CROSS, My Son’s Blood poured out upon you every moment, if you so wish, both in the SACRAMENT OF PENANCE and in THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE (CATHOLIC CHURCH’S) MASS.

    “My dear children, I have lavished these Gifts upon you with Special Graces FOR TWENTY CENTURIES, but with what MISERABLE RESULTS!” - quoting GOD our FATHER in Heaven speaking to Mother Eugenia back on July 1, 1932 from this IN-THE-PUBLIC-DOMAIN reference webpage:

    http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Message1.htm

    So GOD THE FATHER Himself speaks of and INSTRUCTS the entire Human Race on and about the CATHOLIC CHURCH’S Sacrifice of the Mass!

    How many BIBLES are currently out there all across our World of 2009 Anno Domini? How many ‘PASTORS’ and ‘PREACHERS’ and all sorts of other Sect/Cult ‘TEACHERS’?

    Every last one of them as well as every last member of their ‘congregation’ the World over can open up “their” Bibles which the Bishop of Rome SAID they can and ought to read to the following passages:

    Matthew 26:26-29

    Mark 14:22-25

    Luke 22:19-20

    John 6:41-71

    Acts 2:42

    1 Corinthians 11:23-32

    And THEN - every last ‘pastor’, ‘preacher’ and ‘teacher’ from ALL of these FALSE SECTS and FALSE CULTS in our World can then refer to the following IN-THE-PUBLIC-DOMAIN webpage:

    The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy 8th Century (that’s 1,200 years ago now, folks):

    http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

    Next…all of THE JEWS and all of THE MUSLIMS throughout the entire World can GO VIEW and GO STUDY what God Himself does EVERY YEAR WITHOUT FAIL in Jerusalem in order TO PROVE that Jesus Christ IS the Only Eternally Begotten Son of GOD THE FATHER Who raised Him from the dead AFTER His Crucifixion on a CROSS almost 2,000 years ago:

    The Miracle of Holy Fire in Jerusalem

    http://www.holyfire.org/eng/

    AND THEN, all of the JEWS and all of the MUSLIMS and all of the CHRISTIANS throughout our World can view the MOTHER OF GOD’S OWN Apparitions to the Peoples of our satanic-dominated World of 2009 Anno Domini as Our Lady of Zeitun, Egypt back in 1968:

    http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

    AND THEN, our entire Human Race can GO READ and GO DISTRIBUTE this same Mother of God’s Messages given to one CATHOLIC Carmelite nun, Sr. Anges, back in August and October of 1973 Anno Domini here:

    http://www.theworkofgod.org/aparitns/Akita.htm

    AND THEN, the Whole Bloomin’ World of ours and its 6 billion human inhabitants can GO VIEW ‘Heaven’s Key to Peace’ for themselves HERE:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awznwJidvPc

    Then the World Leaders of EVERY LAST political nation of Earth and EVERY LAST ‘Pastor’, ‘Preacher’, ‘Teacher’, ‘Rabbi’, ‘Mullah’, ‘Iman’, ‘Guru’, etc. from EVERY LAST “false and evil sect” throughout our World can then go PERSONALLY PETITION…

    ….THE BISHOP OF ROME….

    to order the Bishops of the Church Militant here one this God-given planet Earth of ours TO PERFORM the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of CHRIST JESUS’ OWN MOTHER, the Blessed Virgin Mary SO THAT…

    we ALL get “to hear” SATAN’S HEAD GETTING CRUSHED ECHOING all across our Universe of ours SO THAT…

    …I, personally, can have a little bit of PEACE and QUIET for once in my SIX DECADES of the living of MY life here amongst the rest of you 5.9999 billion!

    - Fr. Joseph

  99. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

    How old is the Orthodox faith?

    If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

    If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.

    If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

    If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

    If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

    If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.

    If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

    If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.

    If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829.

    If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

    If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

    If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as “Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel,” “Holiness Church,” or “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.

    If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church.

    Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.

    If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true “one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.” This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.

    by Rev. Dr. Miltiades Efthimiou

  100. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

    Catholicity of the Church: “Sobornost”
    By Fr. Milan Savich

    The Church for Orthodox Christians is first of all an object of faith. We believe in the Church as we believe in God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Church is God’s gift to men of communion and life with Himself: with the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit.

    Just as the uncreated Trinity is one and holy, and as the Church is catholic, i.e. full, complete, whole, perfect, all-embracing, with nothing lacking in it of the superabundance of all that is good, holy, beautiful and true — so the Church of the Trinity is catholic essentially and by definition: full, complete, whole, perfect, all-embracing, with nothing lacking in it of the inexhaustible fullness and superabundance of the very nature and life of God.

    The problem of understanding the Catholicity of the Church in Christianity is a central problem. In Christianity everything is important and central; there is no periphery. No matter what you touch, you are touching the heart of Christ.

    In our Lord Jesus Christ everything occupies a paramount and central position. There is no word in the Holy Scripture or in the Divine Liturgy which, for a real and true Orthodox Christian can become irrelevant or boring, even if repeated daily.

    The same is the case with the word catholic or “Sobornost”. The term “Catholic Church” was used first by St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 100 A.D.) who in his letter to the Smyrnaens wrote: “Where Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic Church” (Smyrn. 8:2).

    This specific expression he discovered to define the Church, became so popular that it was used in creeds — including the most definitive creedal formula approved by the ecumenical councils of Nicea and Constantinople, in spite of the fact that the word “catholic” was not found in Scripture.

    In order to be able to understand the idea of catholicity we must start from the center of all — i.e., Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity is the ideal and crown of catholicity. It is the light of the doctrine of the Trinity that “catholicity” becomes a uniquely meaningful quality.

    The first eight articles of the Creed speak about the Holy Trinity and the ninth article speaks about the Church, since the Church is an image, an icon of the Holy Trinity on the earth. The Church is the earthly aspect of the Holy Trinity.

    Therefore everything in Church is Trinitarian, holy and catholic, as we profess to believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    Catholicity is that essential quality of the Church, that makes the church the Church. Prof. Lossky calls it “the most wonderful attribute”, which reflects the life and the mystery of the Trinitarian antinomy.

    Very often the word catholic is associated with Roman Catholicism, and some Orthodox go as far as defensively objecting to its application to Orthodoxy. Sometime, the term catholic is given geographical and topographical dimension, while, according to the Orthodox interpretation, the catholicity of the Church is not a quantitative or a geographical conception.

    It does not at all depend on the world-wide dispersion of the faithful. It rather pertains to the inner, substantial and psychological nature.

    The Church was “catholic” even when Christian communities were but solitary, rare islands in the sea of unbelief and paganism. And the Church will remain “catholic” even unto the end of time when the mystery of the “falling away” will be revealed, when the Church once more will dwindle to a “small flock”. As we read in St. Luke, “When the Son of Man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?” (St. Luke 18:8).

    Some of our Orthodox Churches are substituting “universal” for the correct and original word “catholic” just because of the Roman-Catholics or because they don’t fully realize that the term “universal” is not synonymous with the word “catholic”.

    “KATHOLIKY” from “KATHOLOU” means, first of all, the inner wholeness and integrity of the Church’s life. “KATH’OLOU” is not the same as “KATA PANTOS”. The adjective “catholic”, according to Fr. Florovsky, “does not belong to the phenomenal and empirical, but to the noumenal and ontological plane”.

    The first Christians when using the words “EKLYSIA KATHOLIKY” never meant a world-wide Church. This word rather gave prominence to the Orthodoxy of the Church, to the truth of the “Great Church”, as contrasted with the spirit of sectarian separatism.

    According to Archbishop Basil, “until quite a recent period, the Church was never characterized by the attribute ‘orthodox’, but always as ‘catholic’. In Patristic terminology, the Church herself is catholic, but her traditional faith and doctrine is “Orthodoxy”. Although the faith is sometimes also called “catholic”, the members of the Church are the “orthodox”. Therefore, the Catholic Church is often called “the Church of the orthodox”: “TON ORTHODOXON”.

    St. Cyril of Jerusalem (315-386) in Catechetical Orations gives us an excellent description and best definition of the word “catholic”. Teaching his catechumens the article of the Creed of the Church of Jerusalem “and in One, Holy, Catholic”, he explained:

    “And the Church is called ‘catholic’ for being in the entire world from one end of the earth to the other and for teaching wholly “KATHOLIKOS” and lacking nothing of all the doctrines that must become part of man’s knowledge… and for subjecting every race of men… to godliness and for curing completely (KATHOLIKOS) and healing every sort of sin, committed either through the soul or the body, and for being of possession of every notion of virtue in word or in deed that can be named, as well as every spiritual gift.”

    And in another passage of the same oration, St. Cyril stresses the uniqueness of this Catholic Church: If it happens that you visit some town, do not simply inquire where is the cathedral, because all other heresies of the impious attempt to call their caverns “cathedrals”, nor where is simply the church, but where is the catholic church, because this is the specific name of this holy Mother of us all.’

  101. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

    Catholicity of the Church: “Sobornost”
    By Fr. Milan Savich (cont)

    Commenting on the words of St. Cyril, Archbishop Basil writes: “We can say that, in the conception of St. Cyril of Jerusalem, who expresses in these passages the mature reflection of the Church on her chief attribute, “catholic” is understood:

    1) as universal in both a geographical (ends of the world) and qualitative sense, as embracing men of different races, cultures and social positions;

    2) as possessing the fullness of truth;

    3) as having the fullness of saving power which defeats every sin or evil;

    4) as having the fullness of holiness and grace; and

    5) as consequently, a unique characteristic. We see that, while the external marks of catholicity are not denied, it is the qualitative notion of wholeness in truth and grace which is particularly stressed by St. Cyril.

    Fr. Milin, a Serbian theologian, had also some interesting comments on St. Cyril’s interpretation of the word “catholic”. Fr. Milin thinks that St. Cyril must have been influenced by the Scripture when he called the Church “catholic”.

    “Although the Bible does not use the word “catholic” as well as Holy Trinity and Mother of God, and yet the Bible speaks about them and their elements are present in the Scripture.” “I am forced”, says Fr. Milin, “to use several Biblical quotations to illustrate this point”.

    The Prophet Isaiah: “It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised above the hills, and all the nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come and say: “Come, let us go to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that He may teach us his ways and that we may walk in His paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem” (Is. 2:2-3)

    The Prophet Daniel, interpreting Nebuchanezzar’s dream, speaks about a stone which “became a great mountain and filled the whole earth”. And that stone represents a spiritual kingdom “which shall stand forever” (Daniel 2:44).

    The prophet Zechariah prophesized the coming of the Messiah and said that “His dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth” (Zech. 9:9-10).

    The Savior proclaims: “And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as the testimony to all nations” (St. Matth. 24:14). Also, He not only proclaims but demands: “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (St. Matt. 28:19-20).

    Based on these Biblical quotations, Fr. Milin concludes that the temporal, geographical and ethnographical spread of the Church enters definitely into the concept of catholicity as one of its essential elements.

  102. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

    Catholicity of the Church: “Sobornost”
    By Fr. Milan Savich (cont)

    The social element as well enters into this concept. As the Church does not have any geographical or ethnographical bounds, it also does not have any social ones. Nor it is bound by any temporal limits, as it is a kingdom which will not disintegrate (Daniel 2:44). It is not bound to any one country or city, for it will spread “from sea to sea” (Zech. 9:9-10).

    In it “there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Jesus Christ” (Gal. 3:28). It does not belong to those of one age: neither the old man nor the child. It belongs to the whole man and to all humanity.”

    Later on, in the East, the word “catholic” was understood as synonymous with “ecumenical”, but this drew attention to the outward form, not to the inner contents. “Yet the Church is not catholic because of its outward extent, or because it is an all-embracing entity, not only because it unites all its members, all local churches, but because it is catholic all through in its very smaller part, in every act and event of its life” (Fr. Florovsky).

    The catholicity of the Church has been manifested in the Orthodox Dogmas, Teachings of the Church Fathers, Ecumenical Councils, Orthodox Liturgy, in the Orthodox canonical tradition and in Orthodox theology.

    However, we witness today a gradual evolution of ecclesiology. The understanding of the “catholic church” as described by St. Ignatius and Cyril is not the same. According to Fr. Meyendorff, “In the minds of Orthodox Christians, the ‘church’ came to signify simply the local parish (‘our church’); or, in America, a particular ecclesiastical jurisdiction; or national church (The Greek Church, the Serbian Church); or a denomination, so that the term ‘catholic’ is associated with Roman Catholicism…

    All this denotes not only a large degree of ignorance but also a spiritual loss and danger for the true faith. The concrete and direct implications of our confessing a belief in ‘one, Holy, catholic and apostolic Church’ are lost and are replaced by a vague and imaginary or a narrowly confessional concept of ‘catholicity’, coupled with, in practical terms, a congregational, Protestant, or sectarian understanding of church life”.

    What we have to recover is the sense, implied already very clearly by St. Ignatius, that it is Christ, through the Spirit, Who makes the Church to be “catholic”.

    There is no way in which one can claim to be a Christian except through concrete membership in the Catholic Church and through a continuous effort at manifesting the catholicity of the Church.

  103. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

    From a letter to a Father Deacon -

    “The Vincentian formula, “…quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est,” is not adequate, per se, to describe the catholicity of the Church.

    “Catholicity is not a matter of geography and majority (what is believed everywhere and by everyone), since it is often the case that truth resides in the minority (the “little flock”) and among even the very few (e.g., the Cappadocians or the anti-unionists at the time of St. Mark Evgenikos). [Or, like the Prophet Elijah and the reserved “7000 faithful of Israel in the OT]

    “We must understand St. Vincent in terms of a larger consensus, a kind of existential universality that encompasses the whole spiritual voice of the Church. “Universal consent,” a Protestant idea, can easily be derived from a misunderstanding of St. Vincent’s famous words; therefore, Father Florovsky and others rightly points out that we Orthodox (and St. Vincent) accept the teachings of the Fathers, for example, not by subjection to the external authority of some “democratic” consensus, but because of their inner catholicity, the inner evidence of their catholic [sobornost] truth.

    “This profound distinction is not immediately obvious in St. Vincent’s formula. Clearly, then, the formula is inadequate only in the sense that it cannot stand alone, without a deeper understanding of what catholicity is and how it relates to the Church’s true authority, which rises from the common authority of the Fathers, who are the criterion of catholicity (even, in some matters, beyond and above the synods and councils) when they speak (each one of them in every place, their oneness and location understood, here, spiritually and not empirically) for the whole people of God, for the entire experience of the revealed truth of the Christian Church.

    “St. Vincent, that this Saint’s famous formula for catholicity is inadequate only if its terms are accepted in an empirical, simple-minded way, as they are by Protestants in deriving a theory of “universal consent” (democratic truth) therefrom, and Roman Catholics, who find therein a geographical and external definition of authority.

    “Protestants in typical fashion, think that language defines theology. Theology defines language, and language serves this task of definition poorly. In Orthodox theology, the Fathers try to approximate the truth in the inadequate medium of human verbal intercourse, using language carefully, intentionally, and at times even in an ironic manner.

    “This is true, incidentally, of Scripture, too. Anyone who speaks Greek (and I am not speaking of the artificial Erasmian language of seminaries, here) sees this immediately in Scripture and in the Fathers. Thus, any notion of redundancy, contradiction, and so on, is foreign to our thinking. We look, rather, to our own inadequacies when reading Scripture and the Fathers.

    “By catholicity, St. Vincent refers to the noumenal dimensions of the Faith. Catholicity captures the fullness of the spiritual reality of Christianity, which is passed on to us noetically.

    “Consent is nothing more than human acquiescence to that universality, which is prompted by the knowledge of Truth dwelling in each of us and which is mediated by the activity of the discursive intellect.

    “As for the notion of “antiquity,” this too is not a mere historical idea. It refers to that golden thread of spiritual consensus that rises out of the noumenological truths of Christianity, which is verified externally by the consent of the Church (Holy Tradition, the Ecumenical Synods, and so on), and which is as ancient in its present-day manifestation as it was when the Lord revealed our Faith to the Apostles. (Hence, what is ancient is not necessarily Orthodox. What has endured through the ages by consent and which rises out of the noumenal truths of Christianity, this is what is “ancient.”)

    “One might say that catholicity, consent, and antiquity correspond, as well, to the ancient formula of our Faith: that which was delivered by the Lord (universal Truth), preached by the Apostles (the verification of this Faith by consensual teaching), and preserved by the Fathers (that phronema which embodies and passes on the Truth of Christianity from the past to the present and on into Eternity).

    “Finally, one cannot understand St. Vincent of Lerins without placing him in the context of the Fathers. Textual analysis, logical machinations, and the stuff of literary evaluation do not belong to the realm of true Patristic knowledge. The mind of the Fathers derives from the universal truth which they pass on from the beginning in common.

    “I wish you a Blessed Nativity, Father. Pray for me.

    “Least Among Monks,

    “Archbishop Chrysostomos”

  104. Michael K. December 13, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    I think that what you argue above is only in error as far as semantics are concerned. Although I have a few things to point out that you may not consider valid, just know that I am not somehow ‘anti-catholic’. Consider the impeccable scholarship of dear KathJuliane on the real nature and meaning of “catholicity”, and you will realize that Roman imposed divisions lack deeper meaning. We are all Catholic who are fully Christian, and yes the devil seeks to destroy the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    I’m sure you could scroll up this page to the link I provided above (thanks katman) entailing the writings of the early Church Fathers and their foreboding sense that Rome would one day become “the mystery of iniquity which already doth work”. I’m sure that the writings of the Fathers are admissible as evidence to any Roman Catholic.

    Now consider that you, yourself, respected Father have written that your Bishop’s seat is currently in iniquity, and your conclave of cardinals appears to be a veritable coven. How much more clear could it be that it all seems to be coming true? Let’s forget, for the moment, about the great middle stretch when the Roman See was just having a protracted disagreement with the Catholic Church about ‘filoque statements’ and fish on Fridays.

    Let us assume that despite human errors the Roman See has preserved Catholicity pretty much up until, say, 1958. And then something happened; a pope was taken hostage and a Satanic power asserted the beginning of its dominion. Let us consider:

    St. Augustine of Hippo (345 - 430) Doctor of the Church
    City of God, Book XX, Chapter 19

    For what does he [Paul] mean by “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holdeth, let him hold until he be taken out of the way: and then shall the wicked be revealed?” [2 Thess 2] I frankly confess I do not know what he means. … However, it is not absurd to believe that these words of the apostle, “Only he who now holdeth, let him hold until he be taken out of the way,” refer to the Roman empire, as if it were said, “Only he who now reigneth, let him reign until he be taken out of the way.” “And then shall the wicked be revealed:” no one doubts that this means Antichrist.

    Source: http://newadvent.org/fathers/120120.htm

    Does it all make sense then? We don’t need to have a p*ssing contest over the last thousand years of dogmatic discord anymore than we have a need to argue over the deck chairs on the Titanic. The iceberg hit. It hit Rome, right? The real Pope, the last legitimate Roman sovereign prince, has been “taken out of the way” and an impostor rules in his place.

    The following is a real world example of how bad Roman Catholicism has actually gotten. About this time last year I was attending the wake for a dear friends wife. Their only daughter brought some of her closest friends from high school (now in college separately). One of the girls had a boyfriend who was the picture of a Roman Catholic college boy: Irish, from Rhode Island or something, clean cut, polite and intellectually developed.

    We discussed religion privately as we sat outside. He told me, verbatim now: “I’m a Catholic and so I am a humanist.” And from that place he conducted all of his philosophizing. I tried to bring up actual “Catholic” objects of thought, and he rebuffed them with dogmatic and secular HUMANISM. Hence, to this model Catholic liberal, ‘humanism’ was the goal of the Church.

    I don’t think a single one of the young people whom I attend Orthodox Church with, or any of the Protestants I attend Christian fellowship with, could have ever made such a denial of Christ, and still though themselves religious. Things are very seriously wrong in Rome right now, and you have said as much. Is the Bishop of Rome to be the Anti-Christ? You decide.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  105. The Prodigal Son December 13, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

    Fr. Joseph said,

    (…) “The International OCCULT Alliance formed by international Freemasonry, international Rosicrucianism, international Satanism, Luciferianism & ALL of their attending Hermetic Orders along with the international Kabbalahists formed their spiritual alliance back in 1931 A.D. at the King George V hotel in Paris, France in order TO DESTROY the Catholic Church!”

    I say, ‘And they have succeeded’ !

    The Papal Roman ‘church’ indeed has its roots in the Pentarchy of old… but it is no longer Orthodox in its doctrine or teachings, and officially has not been Orthodox since 1054.

    Because of this business of the belief that the successors of St. Peter also inherit the title of ‘rock’, and that one man is to lead all of Christendom…

    There are people (however well meaning they may be) who just WILL NOT leave Rome ! No matter WHAT new things Rome trots out… no matter how many fundamental CHANGES Rome makes to the original faith… They just don’t get it !

    (…) “They couldn’t CARE LESS about the Baptist churches and conventions.

    They couldn’t CARE LESS about the Lutheran church, about the Church of England, about the thousands upon thousands of ‘protestant’ denominations all across this World of ours.”

    That’s because those ‘churches’ were all birthed from ‘mother Rome’, and ‘THEY’ have been there from their very formation if possible.

    Regardless - these ‘churches’ are already in error… and their sacramental value is likely nil. The Vatican controls the largest body of Christians in the world, and so has always been a logical target.

    (…) “And they couldn’t CARE LESS about the Eastern Orthodox Churches - the Russian Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Syrian Orthodox Church, the Coptic Orthdodox Church.”

    This part, however is untrue… they have always tried and they always will !

    Who do you think is behind the ‘Uniates’ ? They just don’t have much luck - because apparently unlike the Roman church - the Orthodox REFUSE to change anything !

    Which is why after the Bolshevik (’Jewish’ communist) revolution, upwards of 50 million Russians, etc were slaughtered ! How many of those were Orthodox saints ?

    God, the horror ! If I didn’t know it was true - I wouldn’t believe it. So how can anyone say that ‘THEY’ couldn’t care less about the Orthodox - as if the gates of Hades have not even been TRYING to prevail against the Orthodoxy !

    How ridiculous ! Research how many Orthodox Churches there were BEFORE the Bolshevik ‘Jews’ siezed power… and see how many were left when they were done !

    Now, a professed Roman Catholic has admitted here that Satanism is practiced in the Vatican…

    Has admitted that (Kaballist) Freemasons are IN governing posistions in the Vatican…

    But - at the same time REMAINS in their company, FOLLOWS their inventions, and PROMOTES their teachings !

    Look - they TRIED to get the Orthodox under submission to the Pope in THE SAME YEAR as the ‘Bolshevik revolution’…

    If Russia had BELIEVED the Fatima ‘apparitions’ and fallen into line with the Catholics, THEN they could have been subjected to a change in doctrine - as had worked so wonderfully in Rome !

    The Roman Catholic church no longer says ‘The Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews’… this in itself is very telling - if you really think about it.

    Say I was a ‘Jew’ who wished to destroy Christianity… I would ask, “Where is the largest, most (temporally) powerful body of Christians on earth ?”…

    So - knowing that the R.C.s all listen to only ONE MAN - my mission (and that of my comrades) would be to BECOME the pope. If I - as a ‘Jew’ - can become the pope, then I control ALL OF THE CATHOLICS !

    Now that I am pope… I will release ’statements’ from ‘God’ and ‘Mary’ saying that God and Mary want certain things done here on earth.

    I relay my FAKE message from God, saying that if these things aren’t done - BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN !

    Now - because *I* am pope, and it is *I* who can MAKE these things happen…

    I WILL NEVER MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN ! Even if everyone else petitions me and wants these things to happen - I WILL NOT ALLOW IT !! I AM A LYING ‘JEW’ !

    And then when the bad things happen, I can say to everyone, “See - we didn’t do what God/Mary want done, so that’s why all these bad things are happening.”

    When in reality - it is I - the fake ‘Jew’ pope and all of my Bolshevik buddies who are MAKING ALL THESE THINGS HAPPEN !

    Yet some people here on RZN would have us believe it’s always been our fault !

    We (who call ourselves Christians) are warned in the Bible to test the spirits - to make sure that they are from God.

    We are told to determine whether or not that spirit glorifies JESUS…

    But from heaven - we are told Mary says, “Only *I* can help you !”

    If only Mary can help us - how does that glorify Jesus ? I’ll tell you… It doesn’t. It glorifies Mary to a position ABOVE Jesus !

    If only Mary can help us - then what do we need Jesus for ?

    Time to take off that Cross, and put on your ‘miraculous medal’…

    Nevermind trying to spread the message of SALVATION through Jesus the Christ… we have to get this consecration of Russia done !

    “These thing I have spoken unto you, that in *ME* you may have PEACE.
    In the world you WILL have tribulation; but be of good cheer, *I* have (already) overcome the world.”
    - John 16:33

  106. Fr. Joseph December 13, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

    I am at A LOSS for words!

    What on earth is WRONG with you people?

    You have the ILLUMINISTS themselves planning to immerse the ENTIRE WORLD in a thermonuclear Third World War - and I’ve referenced the website citing their global diabolical plan vs. Mankind - and the ILLUMINISTS-SATANISTS are pressing on toward the satanic goal…

    …and I PROVIDE all of you with TOO MANY references to the MOTHER OF GOD advising her Son’s CHURCH here one earth as to WHAT TO DO…

    …and all I get is this GARBAGE which, in essense, is the ORTHODOX proclamation the the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE can “go to Hell”!

    What does REVELATION 12:17 “reveal” TO ALL YOU OF THE ‘ORTHODOX FAITH’??

    What does GENESIS 3:15 “reveal” TO ALL OF YOU OF THE ‘ORTHODOX FAITH’??

    My gosh…I simply DON’T BELIEVE THIS RESPONSE from you of the Orthodox Church!

    - Fr. Joseph

  107. Eternal Love December 13, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

    “What I am doing is no different from the legions of Jewish academics who, as an aspect of their professional and personal identity, have vigorously pursued their ethnic interests by writing for mainstream publications, by promoting Zionist causes, and by attempting to change the intellectual and political climate of the U.S. in a way that furthers their perceived ethnic interests.

    Their presence at elite universities and their access to prestigious publication venues, is an important basis of their influence. I am simply expressing, and with as much vigour, my own interests and those of numerous others.”

    I absolutely agree with Dr. MacDonald. He is defending his and the interests of many like him the way our Jewish brothers do for themselves. What’s wrong with this??? Why are they mad at him and try to ruin his career??? He simply does fight for the Truth to be exposed. And many honest people are thankful to him for that!!!

    The fake jewish/kazarik presence at elite universities makes the education at these universities not so elite… because the criteria they use to hire profs are not based on merit and proper expertise but whether they belong to their ethnic group.

    Also, even their own kids do not like what these profs are teaching them and prefer to take courses with Christian and other profs…

    Lots of Love,

    Please, support our fundraising campaign and join our Holy Chain of Love to help the Noble efforts of our Brother to promote Christianity and Justice for All!!!

    Eternal Love

  108. katman December 13, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

    Catholicism: Crisis of Faith

    In their own words. former catholic priest and nuns speak of their journey from darkness to light…

    Come out of her my beloved,
    Come and follow me,

    Outside the camp up to the hill
    The place called Calvary.

    Like a beautiful flower that fades
    So the traditions of men;

    But the Word of the Lord,
    It stands for always,
    for He is the Guardian.

    Trust only in the Sacrifice
    Of God’s Perfect Lamb,

    Believe and receive in this true hour,
    Come into Emmanuel’s land.

    Amen and Amen

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Catholicism%3A+Crisis+of+Faith&hl=en&client=firefox-a&emb=0#

  109. Fr. Joseph December 13, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

    I’m at a LOSS for words, so let me simply post THE LORD’S OWN WORDS regarding His Own Mother and His Own Church and this satanic enslaved World of ours in this year 2009 Anno Domini:

    “You have CLOSED YOUR EARS. You have CLOSED YOUR HEARTS to Me.

    “When you have PUSHED MY MOTHER ASIDE, I tell you, you have PUSHED ME ASIDE too. My Mother stands with Me.

    “When you PUSH GOD ASIDE, then you SHALL suffer the consequences.” - February 6, 1994 - on-line reference:

    http://www.ourlovingmother.org/Messages_Monthly_1994_OurLovingMother.aspx

    “(Sr. Lucy) “Intimately I have spoken to OUR LORD about the subject, and not too long ago I asked Him why He would not convert RUSSIA without the Holy Father making that Consecration?

    “(JESUS) “Because I want MY WHOLE CHURCH to acknowledge that Consecration as A TRIUMPH of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that it may extend its cult later on, and put the Devotion to My Mother’s Immaculate Heart beside teh Devotion to My Sacred Heart.” - from on-line reference

    http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/fatima18.htm

    And finally, for everyone’s information

    “Today EVERYTHING Depends On THE POPE” - on-line reference:

    http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr34/cr34pg25.asp

    THE LORD HIMSELF has spoken EVERYTHING that needs to be said about HIS MOTHER, HIS CHURCH and this WORLD of ours of 2009 A.D.

    For those people here on RZN who want to continue in ARGUING, give due consideration as to whether they wish to ARGUE with THE LORD!

    - Fr. Joseph

  110. Norseman December 13, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

    HE THAT GATHERETH NOT WITH ME SCATTERETH (Luke 11, 23)

    Our enemy Satan must be laughing loudly now.

    The children of the Kingdom are fighting, the seed of discord has been planted among us…

    You want to find the TRUTH, which church is “the one”, the real mystical body of Jesus Christ.

    “AND NOW THESE THREE REMAIN: FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE. BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE.” (1 Cor. 13, 13)

    Where is your LOVE for your brothers and sisters in this RZN family, which belong to a different Christian confession, when you fight all the time? YOU ARE SCATTERING, NOT GATHERING.

    To those who want to prove that the Roman Catholic Church is not Jesus’ church, alleging that it has been infiltrated, I want to REMIND you of Revelations 13:7:

    “HE (THE BEAST) WAS GIVEN POWER TO MAKE WAR AGAINST THE SAINTS AND TO CONQUER THEM. AND HE WAS GIVEN AUTHORITY OVER EVERY TRIBE, PEOPLE, LANGUAGE AND NATION.”

    If the beast will be given power to conquer even the saints, what does then prove that the Catholic Church, and –of course- also the Orthodox Church, have been infiltrated? This has to happen before His Second Coming.

    That the Roman Catholic Church has been for centuries the main bulwark against the Jews, Freemasonry and other satanic hordes cannot be denied. It is superbly described in the important book “The Plot Against the Church”, written under the pseudonym “Maurice Pinay” as a warning before Vaticanum II:
    http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

    Of course, the Orthodox Church has also been targeted, and is easily proven by the millions of martyrs caused by the Bolsheviks, as someone rightly pointed out.

    In essence, don’t we all believe the same, namely in: GOD THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT?

    We are only a few, our possibilities are very limited. If we continue this way, we will waste the little energy, the few cartridges that we have for nothing. We will be distracted from the REAL enemy that is devouring the few sheep in our Christian flock, just while we discuss about who is the best shepherd.

    FOR CHRIST’S SAKE:
    S T O P T H E I N F I G H T I N G !!

  111. Michael K. December 13, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael and RZN Christians,

    I hope that my words regarding the Norway spiral will not go on to create a ‘doom and gloom’ mood in anyone. My intention is to point out the existence of HAARP technology, NASA’s project Blue Beam, and the tie in of both to British Israel’s planned 2012 Armageddon psy-op.

    It would be going too far to suggest at this point that the Illuminati Satanist Jews are in possession of enough power to bring about this scenario on their own. It is probable that human free will plays such a large role in the unfolding of such things that people have to both be deceived and accept delusion against the leadings of the spirit in order for such to actually come to pass.

    In essence, the best advice is always DON’T PANIC. Where fear comes in faith goes out the window, and vice versa. I though about it, and if convincing people of the reality of Project Blue Beam was going to be taken as evidence that their evil plans will succeed at present, then it would have an evil effect, this knowledge. My goal, instead, is to alert people in hopes of avoiding this deception, and preparing peoples’ minds ahead of time that they be not deceived, nor lose hope in the face of it.

    The same should be said about criticism of the Vicar of Rome. It is not the purpose of elucidating certain apparent facts that they should cause Roman Catholics to become hopeless about their cause. Roman Catholicism needs to repent and be redeemed, and never destroyed or abandoned. My purpose has never been to negate Roman Catholicism, but to offer constructive criticism.

    It is a worthy object to clean up and bind up the wounds of that ailing institution. I don’t like Catholic bashing, never have. And I don’t want to think that my words are just another cut in the death of a thousand cuts of the Roman Church. I think acknowledging the nature and extent of the damage is a critical part of the healing process, but it is equally critical that the patient not lose the will to live, nor faith in the reality that healing can and will occur if things change.

    It is not absolutely predestined that Rome should be the Anti-Christ, but it is scripted thus (by the same megalomaniacs who put up the light show), and many key actors are in place. Let us not all visualize it coming true, however. If it does it will be a tragedy and we should not participate in ‘gloom and dooming’ it into existence. Rather, let us focus on the uniting of our energy on the core Catholic faith in a way that doesn’t discriminate against the Roman Catholic body.

    In love and faith, and with calm determination not to be moved from a position of confidence in God’s will in all things, let us undertake this work.

  112. Traditional Catholic December 13, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

    Brother,

    Apparently, spelling illuminati backwards will direct you to the NSA.

    http://www.itanimulli.com/

    I got this from iamthewitness.com

  113. KathJuliane December 13, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

    MichaelK and Norseman - we have heavenly help.

    Rome remains the historic centre of the Western Patriarchate of Romania and remains a holy place of Orthodox pilgrimage after that Patriarchate ceased to confess Orthodoxy. Indeed, the very word ‘pope’ is Greek, meaning ‘father’ and to this day the official title of the Patriarch of Alexandria remains ‘Pope of Alexandria’.

    Some fifteen popes of Rome were Greek and another six Syrian and the first Latin pope was St Victor (+ 198).

    Although Rome has not been an Orthodox centre for a thousand years and has often ferociously attacked the Orthodox Church since then, it has nevertheless conserved very important vestiges of Orthodoxy.

    Let us ask the prayers of these holy Orthodox popes of Rome of the first millennium, asking that, through their prayers, Rome and all it once represented and all that remains there of Orthodoxy may, with the third millennium, yet return to the Orthodox Faith of the first millennium.

    Let us pray that papal supremacy and its regard for poltics and state may one day become again papal primacy in its Orthodox sense. In praying to the past, we pray for the future, in calling on these Western Patriarchs, we pray for the salvation of the West, we pray for a West with saints, not a West without saints. And who will pray, if not we Orthodox?

    We would remind readers that St. Peter was never a pope of Rome, indeed he was not a bishop at all, but an Apostle. This is the early tradition of the Church of Rome itself and therefore remains the tradition of the rest of the Orthodox Church today.

    Moreover St. Peter founded not the Church of Rome, but the Church of Antioch. The Church in Rome was founded by St. Paul. This is clear to any reader of the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans. In the following list, popes who already appear in all Eastern Orthodox calendars are marked with an asterisk.

    As the word “pope” did not come into use as a formal title until the fourth century or so the establishment the use of “pope” for these Bishops of Rome is anachronistic before then on this list. However, in the true sense of “the little fathers” as they were sometimes endearingly called, sometimes of humble and foreign origin, they are truly Orthodox Fathers.

    St. Linus (+ c. 78), first pope, Martyr. A disciple of the Apostle Paul, he was consecrated by him. One of the Seventy Apostles, he is mentioned in 2 Timothy 4,21. He was pope for about twelve years and may have been martyred. Feast: 23 September (In the East 4 January and 5 November). *

    St. Anacletos (Cletus) (+ c. 91), by origin a Greek from Athens and possibly a martyr. His name, correctly Anencletos, means ‘blameless’ (see Titus 1,7) and he may originally have been a slave. Feast: 26 April.

    St. Clement of Rome (+ c. 101), martyr. One of the Seventy Apostles and a Church Father, he was consecrated by the Apostle Peter. He is mentioned in Philippians 4,3 and his letter to the Church of Corinth still exists.

    He was much venerated in the West in the early centuries and still today in the East. The church of San Clemente in Rome probably stands on the site of his house. According to tradition, he was banished to the Crimea and there martyred. Feast: 23 November (in the East 4 January, 22 April, 10 September and 25 November). *

    St. Evaristos (+ c. 109), perhaps a martyr and almost certainly of Hellenist-Judean origin, as quite many of the first Christians are. Feast: 26 October.

    St. Alexander I (+ c. 116), the fifth pope and possible a martyr and by tradition a Roman. Feast: 3 March (in the East 16 March).*

    St. Sixtus (Xystus) I (+ c. 125), possibly a martyr. A Roman of Greek origin. Feast: 3 April. *

    St Telesphoros (+ c. 136), a martyr, Greek by origin. Feast: 5 January (in the East 22 February). *

    St. Hyginos (+ c. 142), by origin a Greek philosopher from Athens. Also perhaps a martyr. Feast: 11 January.

    St. Pius I (+ c. 155), from Aquilea, probably born a slave and perhaps the brother of Hermas who wrote ‘The Shepherd’. He defended the Church against Gnosticism. Possibly a martyr. Feast: 11 July.

    St. Anicetus (+ 166) the tenth pope and of Syrian origin, he opposed the Gnostics, perhaps martyred. Feast: 17 April.

    St. Soter (+ 174), of Greek descent, he may have been martyred. Feast: 22 April.

    St. Eleutherius (+ 189), Greek, possibly martyred. Feast: 26 May.

    St. Victor (+ 198), an African and the first Latin pope. A forceful character, he fought for Orthodoxy and against Gnosticism. He may have been martyred. Feast: 28 July. *

    St. Zephyrinos (+ 217), of Greek descent. Although not a strong character, he still fought for Orthodoxy against adoptionism and modalism and may have been martyred for it. Feast: 26 August.

    St. Callistus I (+ 222), the fifteenth pope and originally a slave. Pope Kallistos, with his Greek name, was known for his mercifulness and defended married clergy against fanatics. He condemned modalism. Probably martyred. Feast: 14 October.

    St. Urban I (+ 230), Roman, possibly martyred. Feast: 25 May.

    St. Pontian (+ 235), Roman, he was persecuted for the faith and deported to Sardinia, where he died as a confessor. Feast: 19 November.

    St. Antheros (+ 236), Greek and perhaps martyred. Feast: 3 January (5 August in East). *

    St. Fabian (+ 250), Roman martyr. Described as an incomparable man, ‘his death matched the purity and goodness of his life’, he did much to help the poor. Feast: 20 January (5 August in the East). *

    St. Cornelius (+ 253), the twentieth pope and a Roman, he was greatly helped by St Cyprian of Carthage in the struggle against novatian fanaticism. He was renowned for his mercifulness and died as a result of persecution. Feast: 16 September.

    St. Lucius (+ 254), a Roman he was exiled as soon as he was elected in a persecution. Supported by St Cyprian, he was certainly a confessor and perhaps was martyred. Feast: 4 March.

    St. Stephen I (+ 257), a Roman and a strong character, perhaps a martyr, he is well known for his argument with St Cyprian of Carthage about the baptism of heretics. St Stephen defended the view of economy as a mercy within a bishop’s grace and discretion, that invalid baptism outside the Church was made valid by repentent entry into the Church, and there may be no need to repeat the actual rite. Feast: 2 August. *

    St. Sixtus II (+ 258), an Athenian. He was ‘a good and peace-loving man’ who was much helped by Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria. He was martyred by beheading, together with his seven deacons, one of whom was St Lawrence. He was and is greatly venerated in the Orthodox Church, West and also East. Feast: 7 August (10 August in the East). *

    St. Dionysios (Denis) (+ 268), one of the most important Roman popes of the third century. He was a learned Greek, who opposed several heresies, helped the persecuted and also reorganized the Church in Rome. Feast: 26 December.

    St. Felix I (+ 274), the twenty-fifth pope. A Roman, he opposed the adoptianist heresy. Feast: 30 May.

    St. Eutychian (+ 283), a native of Tuscany. Feast: 7 December.

    St. Gaius (+ 296), possibly from Dalmatia. It seems that he was martyred together with his brother, a priest, and his children. Feast: 22 April (11 August in the East). *

    St. Marcellinus (+ 304), possibly a martyr, and certainly a penitent for previous errors and apostasy. Feast: 2 June (7 June in the East). *

    St. Marcellus I (+ 309), a confessor who died as a result of persecution. Feast: 16 January (7 June in the East). *

    St. Eusebios (+ 310), the thirtieth pope and a Greek by origin. He was deported to Sicily by the Emperor and died there as a confessor. Feast: 17 August.

    St. Miltiades (+ 314), probably from Rome, although he had a Greek name. The Emperor Constantine gave him a palace on the Lateran as his residence. He condemned Donatism. Feast: 10 December.

    St. Sylvester I (+ 335), Roman. Feast: 31 December (2 January in the East). *

    St. Mark (+ 336), Roman. Feast: 7 October.

    St. Julius I (+ 352), Roman. A defender of St. Athanasios, this most Orthodox Pope condemned arianism. Feast: 12 April.

    St. Liberius (+ 366). The thirty-fifth pope, he was not of strong character and even compromised the Faith at one point in his life, confessing arianism. However, like St Marcellinus, he then repented, atoned and is recognised as a saint of God. Feast: 27 August. *

    St. Damasus (+ 384). Of Spanish origin, he was born in Rome in c. 305, the son of a priest. He fought for Orthodoxy and opposed several heresies. He did much to establish the Latin text of the Bible, developed the liturgy and the veneration of the Roman martyrs. Although as a new pope, he made several arrogant errors, he repented for these and was recognized as a saint at the end. Feast: 11 December.

    St. Siricius (+ 399), Roman. An imperious man like St Damasus, he nevertheless forbade the harsh treatment of heretics and supported ascetics. He received the support of St Ambrose of Milan and opposed those who slandered the Mother of God. Feast: 26 November.

    St. Anastasios I (+ 401). A man of poverty and apostolic mind, he did much to stop the spread of origenism. Feast: 19 December.

    St Innocent I (+ 417). The son of St Anastasios I, he had an imperious character and thirty-six letters of his survive. He supported St John Chrysostomos and condemned pelagianism. Feast: 28 July.

    St Zosimos (+ 418), the fortieth Pope, by origin a Greek. Although initially he made many errors of tact and judgement, he was anti-pelagian. Feast: 26 December.

    St Boniface I (+ 422), a Roman and son of a priest. He was kind, humble and fought for Orthodoxy. Feast: 4 September.

    St Celestine I (+ 432). A strong character, he was active against pelagianism, he sent St. Germanos of Auxerre to Britain and St. Palladios to Ireland. He also strongly opposed nestorianism and supported St Cyril of Alexandria. Feast: 6 April (8 April in the East). *

    St Sixtus III (+ 440), Roman. He vigorously opposed the heresies of both Pelagius and Nestorius. Feast: 28 March.

    St. Leo I, ‘the Great’ (+ 461). He was born in Rome at the end of the fourth century. He was very energetic, opposed many heresies and protected Rome from the barbarian Huns and Vandals. His teaching on Christ was acclaimed by all the Orthodox at the Council of Chalcedon in 451. Feast: 11 April (In the East 18 February) *.

    St. Hilary (+ 468), the forty-fifth pope and by origin Sardinian, he actively opposed many heresies. Feast: 28 February.

    St. Simplicius (+ 483), he supported the Orthodox in the East against monophysitism. Feast: 10 March.

    St. Felix II (+ 492), the son of a priest, he was also the grandfather of St. Gregory the Great. He sternly opposed monophysitism. Feast: 1 March.

    St. Gelasius I (+ 496), African, but born in Rome. He helped the poor and was sternly opposed monophysitism. Of imperious character, he put the opinion of the authority of the Pope as on the same level as that of the Emperor. We have from him over a hundred letters or fragments and six theological works. He was the greatest Pope of the fifth century after St Leo. Feast: 21 November.

    St. Anastasios II (+ 498), Roman and the son of a priest, he had a conciliatory character. Feast: 8 September/19 November.

    St. Symmachus (+ 514), the fiftieth pope and by origin Sardinian, he was very active and a builder of churches. Feast: 19 July.

    St. Hormisdas (+ 523), from Italy and father of St. Silverius (see below), he helped end the monophysite schism. Feast: 6 August.

    St. John I (+ 526), Tuscan. A confessor, he suffered much from the Arian Goth Theodoric, King of Italy. He was immediately revered as a saint on his repose. Feast: 18 May.

    St. Felix III (+ 530), the fifty-third pope and saint in succession, he was greatly loved for his simplicity and almsgiving. He was succeeded by Boniface II, who was the first pope of Germanic origin, and John II, neither of whom is considered a saint. John II was the first pope to change names on assuming that office. Feast: 22 September.

    St. Agapitus I (+ 536), the son of a priest, he opposed monophysitism and reposed in Constantinople. Feast: 22 April and 20 September (In the East 17 April). *

    St. Silverius (+ 537), he was exiled to Asia Minor as a result of political intrigues. He later died in exile from starvation and various hardships and injustices. He was venerated as a martyr for Orthodoxy. He was succeeded by five popes who are not saints. Feast: 20 June.

    St. Gregory I, ‘the Great’ (in the East ‘the Dialogist’) (+ 604). One of only two popes to be called ‘the Great’ (with St. Leo), this able and energetic saint was possibly the greatest of all Roman popes. Known as ‘the Apostle of the English’, he also did much to convert the Lombards and the Goths.

    A true monk and ascetic, he wrote much about the monastic life, and was greatly concerned for liturgical life and the poor. Some 850 of his letters survive as well as other extremely important patristic and pastoral works, especially his Dialogues. Notably, he condemned as ‘antichrist’ any bishop who claimed universal jurisdiction and supremacy. Feast: 12 March. *

    Boniface IV (+ 615). A follower of St Gregory the Great, he was also a true monk. Preceded by two popes who are not saints. Feast: 25 May.

    Deusdedit I (+ 618), Roman. ‘Simple, devout, wise and shrewd’, he loved ordinary priests and did much for those then suffering from the plague. He was succeeded by five popes who are not saints. Feast: 8 November.

    St. Martin I (+ 655), from Umbria. Condemning the monothelite heresy, he was arrested in Constantinople and starved to death. He was the last Pope of Rome to be martyred. He is widely venerated in the East. Feast: 12 November (In the East 14 April). *

    St. Eugene I (+ 657), Roman. Famed for his mildness and kindness to the poor, this saintly man resisted threats to his life from the Emperor in Constantinople. Feast: 2 June.

    St. Vitalian (+ 672), opposed monothelitism and appointed the first Greek Archbishop of Canterbury, St Theodoros. Feast: 27 January (In the East 23 July). *

    St. Agatho (+ 681), Sicilian of Greek origin. Preceded by two popes who are not saints, he was a kindly and generous man, who also helped call the Sixth Oecumenical Council and helped end monotheletism. Feast: 10 January (20 February in the East). *

    St. Leo II (+ 683), Sicilian, possibly of Greek descent. He confirmed the condemnation of a predecessor, the heretical Pope Honorius I (+ 638), who had fallen into the monothelite heresy. He loved the poor and was also much concerned with church music. Feast: 3 July.

    St. Benedict II (+ 685), Roman. He loved the poor and was humble-minded and gentle. Feast: 7 May.

    St. Sergius I (+ 701), born in Palermo, he was a Syrian. Able and energetic, he did much for missionary work in England and northern Europe. He loved the liturgy and church singing and introduced the feast of the Exaltation of the Cross into the West.

    He was preceded by two popes who are not saints and succeeded by four other non-saints, two Greeks and two Syrians. Feast: 8 September.

    St. Gregory II (+ 731), the most outstanding Roman pope of the eighth century An able leader, he condemned iconoclasm as a heresy and did much to encourage missionary work, like that of St Boniface among the German tribes. He restored churches and fostered the monastic life. Feast: 11 February.

    St. Gregory III (+ 741), Syrian. He was acclaimed Pope by the crowds at his predecessor’s funeral. He vigorously opposed iconoclasm, built churches and had them adorned with frescos, and also encouraged the monastic life and fostered missionary work in northern Europe. Feast: 28 November.

    St Zacharias (+ 752), a Greek and the last Orthodox saint in this see, he opposed iconoclasm, adorned churches with frescos, and did much for missionary work and peace all over western Europe. Feast: 15 March.

    Readers will notice that information on many of the early popes is lacking. Many of these are also traditionally held to be martyrs, but there is some uncertainty about this. It should be added that many of the popes were opposed by antipopes, often heretics. This became more and more the case in the Middle Ages when the Orthodox period of the papacy is over and the institution becomes more political and worldly than religious and spiritual.

    The reader will no doubt be struck by the fact so many of the early popes are revered as saints, indeed, the first fifty-three in continuous succession. If we take the period up till St Zacharias inclusive, of 90 popes, 68 are revered as saints. Perhaps even more striking is the fact that since St Zacharias, the last Orthodox Roman pope to be a saint, there have been no fewer than 173 popes.

    Of these only seven are today considered to be saints by the Vatican: one of these was Nicholas I, the filioquist who condemned St Photius of Constantinople, another was Leo IX, the pope ultimately responsible for excommunicating Patriarch Michael of Constantinople in 1054.

    Holy Roman Orthodox Popes of the West - Pray to God for us.

  114. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 10:13 am

    “Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father + and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, now and forever. Amen!

    “In PEACE, let us pray to the Lord - Lord have MERCY!

    “For PEACE from on High, and for the SALVATION OF SOULS, let us pray to the Lord - Lord have MERCY!

    “For PEACE OF THE WHOLE WORLD, for the stability of the Churches of God, and FOR THE UNION OF THEM ALL, let us pray to the Lord - Lord have MERCY!

    That’s the BEGINNING of the DIVINE LITURGY of St. John Chrysostom. It is also known as ‘THE PRAYER OF THE PEOPLE’!

    So from what I gather here from all of the members of the ORTHODOX Church who regularly attend their ‘Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom’ to date…

    …there is NO INTENTION on the part of the Orthodox Church for ANY ‘UNION OF THEM ALL’…

    …and there is NO INTENTION on the part of the Orthodox Church TO DO what is necessary for ‘PEACE OF THE WHOLE WORLD’ either!

    Now regarding the Orthodox Mantra of ‘The SEVEN Ecumenical Councils’ over and over and over AGAIN on account of ‘The Filioque’.

    Here are those SEVEN ECUMENICAL COUNCILS the Orthodox Church goes on and on and on with with regards to ‘The Filioque’ AS IF the Western Latin Church headed up by the BISHOP OF ROME is the heretical and apostate Church on account of it having a ‘Pope’ aka ‘The Holy Father’:

    http://www.pbcc.org/dc/creeds/councils.html

    Now NOTE WELL, all of you readers here on RZN - whether you are ORTHODOX or PROTESTANT or CATHOLIC or whatever else, there was the ECUMENICAL COUNCIL of Constantinople back in 381 A.D. and then the NEXT Ecumencical Council was the Council of Ephesus back in 431 A.D..

    Between the ECUMENICAL COUNCIL of Constantinople of 381 A.D. and the ECUMENICAL COUNCIL of Ephesus in 431 A.D., there were TWO very “UN-ecumencial” Church Councils of HIPPO in 390 A.D. and CARTHAGE in 397 A.D.

    It was at those TWO very “UN-ecumencial Church Councils” of Hippo in 390 A.D. and Carthage in 397 A.D. that - now GET THIS registered into everyone’s minds be they ORTHODOX or PROTESTANT or CATHOLIC or WHATEVER - that the CATHOLIC CHURCH and her BISHOP OF ROME defined, sanctioned and approved of the Universal Church’s Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture!

    Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture is transmitted to us Human Beings IN WRITING by other members of our SAME Human Race as they wrote under the GRACES and INSPIRATION OF God the Holy Spirit - the THIRD Divine Person of the Blessed Trinity!

    It takes GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT to “inspire” other members of the Human Race, meaing to say, those properly appointed and ordained IN that same Lord’s Church here on earth to SELECT and APPROVE what Scripture were, in fact, inspired by God the Holy Spirit!

    It was the BISHOP OF ROME who blessed and approved and sanctioned the DECISION of these VERY ‘UN-ecumenical’ Church Councils!

    Now then, EVERY TIME all of you from the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES go and begin to offer up the ‘DIVINE LITURGY OF ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM’ wherein all of you BEGIN that Divine Liturgy with “The Prayer Of The People” WHEREIN all of you PRAY FOR

    1) WORLD PEACE and

    2) THE UNION OF THE CHURCHES OF GOD

    and as you “seethe” in the back of your minds and hearts about the APOSTATE and HERETICAL Bishop of Rome, just remember THIS…

    …when it comes time to your Deacon(s) or offering Priest(s) or Bishop(s) TO READ OUT LOUD to all of you from SACRED SCRIPTURE, from the EPISTLES of the Lord’s Own Apostles or from the HOLY GOSPELS of our Lord and Savior Jesus, THE CHRIST, the LOGOS made Incarnate via the WOMB of His Mother, the Most Holy Theotokos, the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 against whom SATAN wages WAR in order to KILL OFF her own spiritual children here on earth - just remember this well…

    As the EPISTLES and the HOLY GOSPEL are being read to all of you in the Eastern Orthodox Churches…

    …it was the BISHOP OF ROME as ‘Chief Shepherd’ of the Lord’s Flock here on earth that has ENSURED that ALL OF YOU are being SPIRITUALLY FED with ‘The Word of God’!

    As we regularly see here from the comments of so many of those of the Eastern Orthodox Church…

    …PEOPLE WILL ‘BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM’!

    - Fr. Joseph

  115. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 11:15 am

    Just HOW MANY people from all across our contemporary World of 2009 Anno Domini assert and maintain that ‘The Bible’ was written by men under the Divine Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit? There is somewheres about 27,000 ‘bible-believing’ denominations all across our World that say so!

    And every last one of these 27,000 ‘bible-believing’ denominations HAVE “their” copy of “their” Bibles on account of the Catholic Church’s Councils of Hippo and Carthage, 393 A.D. and 397 A.D. respectively from which the established Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture is blessed, sanctioned and approved by the BISHOP OF ROME - a.k.a. ‘The Pope’!

    Now thousands upon thousands of contemporary ‘Zionist-Israel First’ so-called ‘bible-believing’ denominations and congregations from AROUND THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD use ‘The Bible’ in order to DISCREDIT and DENOUNCE the same Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome - a.k.a. ‘The Pope’ who GAVE THEM their copies of ‘The Bible’ in the very first place!

    And then those from the Eastern Orthodox Churches DENOUNCE and DISCREDIT the Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome - a.k.a. ‘The Pope’ - because of the inclusion of ‘filioque’ in the Nicene Creed because - now get this - THAT was entirely the Bishop of Rome acting WITHOUT an ‘Ecumenical Council’….but those same Eastern Orthodox Churches have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER in conducting their Divine Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom (and OTHER Divine Liturgies as well) TO INCLUDE the readings from the Epistles and Holy Gospels which THE BISHOP OF ROME AUTHORIZED without conferring with or calling together an ‘Ecumenical Council’ for the EXPRESSED PURPOSE of including the Apostolic Epistles and the Holy Gospels into the EASTERN CHURCH’S public and solemn Divine Liturgies!

    Isn’t such INCONSISTENCY overtly apparent? Like, right in front of the TWO EYES and ONE NOSE of each and every last Human Being currently living and alive here on this satanic-dominated World of ours, the year now being 2009 Anno Domini?

    Isn’t it OVERTLY HYPOCRITICAL for both the 27,000 ‘bible-believing’ denominations of our World AS WELL AS every last member of the Eastern Orthodox Church to DENOUNCE and DISCREDIT and TREAT WITH CONTEMPT the Catholic Church’s BISHOP OF ROME who gave them ALL “their” Bibles via the Catholic Church’s Councils of Hippo and Carthage back in 393 A.D. and 397 A.D.???

    Well…what is YOUR answer…is it or is it NOT bordering on ‘Religious Insanity’ to do such a thing? DENOUNCE and DISCREDIT and TREAT WITH CONTEMPT the Bishop of Rome for ensuring EVERYONE on planet earth can have a ‘Duly Authorized By Christ Jesus Himself’ copy of THE BIBLE???

    Now then….regarding the PRIMACY of the Bishop of Rome…let’s ALL ‘Open Up Our Bibles’ so that I may conduct a ‘Christian Catechism Class’ for EVERYONE here on RZN!…

    - Fr. Joseph

  116. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

    Before I get onto the subject of the PRIMACY of the Bishop of Rome - admittedly…A VERY HARD & BITTER PILL for so many throughout our contemporary World TO SWALLOW…let me EXPLAIN something about ‘The Bible’.

    ‘The Bible’ does NOT EXIST to brainwash, intimidate, terrorize, scare-the-living-snot-out-of-people-with-End-Times-nonsense the PEOPLE the World over who are ALL created in the Image and Likeness of their God and FATHER in Heaven!

    ‘The Bible’ exists for the expressed purpose of informing people the World over that GOD does really and truly exist Who is the Supreme Being throught Whom all things came into existance on account of Him being the CREATOR of all that is seen and Unseen and that ALL OF US are His ‘creatures’, His ‘creations’.

    And ‘The Bible’ exists to INFORM each and every last one of us, His ‘creatures’, His ‘creations’, that OUR God and Creator DESIRES our attention, DESIRES our willing cooperation with Him, DESIRES for us to desire the Very Best that He Himself Desires for all of us - and that this God, this Creator of ours takes it upon Himself TO INITIATE an on-going and perpetual ‘one-on-One’ RELATIONSHIP with Him.

    If any of our World’s “Religions” FAIL to instruct, inform, assist, guide people the World over and FACILITATE that Much Desired Divine Goal of our God, our Creator and OUR Father in Heaven in becoming MANIFEST to our God and to ALL OF MANKIND - every last man, woman and child currently living and alive on this planet earth of HIS Creating and Sustaining - then THAT ‘Religion’ or THOSE ‘Religions’ have made themselves to be a COLLOSAL FAILURE to both God and to all of Mankind.

    So God ‘exists’ - thus begins the VERY FIRST declarative statement in everyone’s “Bible” thanks to the Catholic Church’s Councils of Hippo and Carthage of 393 A.D. and 397 A.D. - a tab bit over 1,600 YEARS ago.

    Now “The Bible” reveals that God isn’t some sort of impersonal Unseen Force like gravity or microwave/EMF energies. ‘The Bible’ reveals that God is A PERSON (later on we come to understand that GOD is actually Three Divine Persons sharing in the Same Identical Divine Nature).

    Being a “Person” implies that One has a Presence, a Consciousness about Them, as well as the Ability to Act, Influence and Impose-Employ One’s Will to Their Environment. And being a ‘Person’ permits One TO EXPRESS One’s Thoughts, Desires and Demands if need be.

    TWO WORDS are very, very important to listen to, understand, contemplate and mull over IF one wishes to make any significant headway in his/her/their religious and/or inner unseen spiritual lives - and those TWO WORDS are found in the very first chapter of the book of Genesis in everyone’s ‘Bible’.

    Those TWO WORDS are

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:3

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:6

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:9

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:11

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:14

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:20

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:24

    “GOD said” - Genesis 1:26

    REPETITION in the human languages of the nations and peoples of the WORLD over is found in EVERY LAST GRAMMAR SCHOOL CLASS conducted for 6 to 13 year olds.

    REPETITION is meant to ensure a certain fact, a certain bit of information, IS RETAINED in the minds of the children of the nations of our World.

    We learn our ALPHABETS by ROTE/REPITITION.

    We learn our MATH TABLES by ROTE/REPETITION.

    And we learn ALL SORTS OF THINGS by repetition, repetition and MORE repetition.

    So after EIGHT TIMES hearing the words

    ‘GOD SAID’

    ‘The Bible’ is meant to get it through and INTO our “thick skulls” that

    1) GOD EXISTS, and

    2) GOD IS A PERSON - NOT SOME IMPERSONAL FORCE

    So now, Fr. Joseph, “What On Earth” does THAT have anything at all to do with this BITTER PILL of “The Primacy of the Bishop of Rome”?

    Open up YOUR ‘Bibles’ to the section headed up with the words ‘The New Testament’…

    - Fr. Joseph

  117. charlie December 14, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

    The mystery, which must be addressed, as to why men of good faith, succumbed so easily to the malignancy of the second Vatican Council is what I intend to address in this post.
    I confess I am no academic so I will make a laymans stab at it and hope that I am right.

    My attitude at the time, as a pre teen only was that this was an outrage, that it was wrong, the the Second Vatican Council was just so much hot air, believing in nothing, meaning nothing and delivering nothing for the good of souls.

    It was kept hidden from us, deliberately or otherwise that it caused the loss of innumerable vocations and, not so hidden, the decline in church attendance and belief unequaled at any time in church history, Although at the time this was attributed by opinionmakers, falsely I might add, to the modern culture, and not anything to do with the Second Vatican Council and the imprisonment of grace with faith, in the vault of heresy and wickeness.

    Yet why do these men remain serving God with a true heart and good will in a system that is obviously false albeit not abandoned by the grace of God, the greater miracle in my view, but in conformity to the dictum of Christ, “Lo, I am with you even to the end.”?

    The answer is of course that that is exacly where God wants them to be, for without a true vocation from God you cannot remain within the priesthood, brotherhood and sisterhood of God and be of a true heart and good will.

    Having met several priests and nuns who abandoned their vocation it is my opinion that this was not the road God wanted them to travel.

    Rather they should have remained as a bulwark to the Catholic faith within their respective traditions. They gave up without a fight.

    The truth is, just like humanity, and as a part of it, the priesthood itself and including all its governing bodies are sheep too. This is the nature of humanity as we see from the reference of Christ to himself as the Good Shepherd. This is not a criticism of the nature of humanity nor is it a fault but simply how we were made by our creator.

    Priests themselves despite their Divine Office require Gods shepherd, the Pope , to lead, and this is the second admonition to Peter by Christ when he says firstly. “Feed my lambs [the laity] …..Feed my sheep” [the clergy and those more advanced in the spiritual life]

    Thus we see Christ remaining with the church despite their free will choices which He does not violate, and to the extent, and only to the extent, that these choices separate them from God and from his grace.

    The “middle” ground occupied by Archbishop Lefrevre, in the sense that he disagreed with Vatican !! BUT did not leave the church was occupied by an infinitesmally small group, which nevertheless grew and became vibrant worldwide, but not so as to attract the great number which left as a result of vatican !!, whether through ignorance or temperament or for whatever other reason.

    There is no condemnation by Christ, neither is there room for criticism, as the priests job is difficult enough as it is without the added burden that this would give them. Prayer is and has always been the remedy given by Christ, prayer and sacrifices offered up on behalf of all the priests, particularly their shepherd who is the Pope and for a blessed outcome for the church and for all the world.

    This prayer can take the form of invoking the angels to drive out heresy within the corridors of power, and not just those involving the Second Vatican council but hereditary heresies dating back even to the beginning of the church, and we see from Acts and the epistles of Paul that this challenge was always before the church and was meant as part of the ongoing battle between good and evil and thus becomes a source of humility for the church.

  118. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

    Arm yourselves with this trite saying of a Lay Carmelite of the Catholic Church:

    “The MORE OBVIOUS something IS, the more likely it will be OVERLOOKED!”

    Now from the Book of Genesis - please take VERY CAREFUL NOTE OF THIS… - everytime we encounter those TWO WORDS of “God SAID”, something real, true, with actual substance HAPPENS and TAKES PLACE!

    So from the very first book of “everyone else’s BUT the Catholic Church’s” BIBLE, when GOD speaks His Mind and His DIVINE Will - the ‘Whatever It Might Be’ that GOD SPEAKS really and truly RESULTS in His Divine Will being ESTABLISHED. Period.

    God SAID ‘Let there be light’ - and VIOLA! - there is light! And on and on it goes through the Book of Genesis.

    God SPEAKS - God SAYS SOMETHING - and the REALITY of what He SAYS, the REALITY of what He SPEAKS - is made Manifest.

    So for those of us who are vaguely or readily FAMILIAR WITH the Church’s Sacred CHRISTIAN Scriptures - a.k.a. - the 27 books of the New Testament (you all have courtesy of the Catholic Church’s NON-ecumenical Councils of Carthage and Hippo, 393 A.D. and 397 A.D.) - we get to witness the historically recorded account of GOD INCARNATE speaking His Divine Will which ALL result in a ‘Grand Divine Happening’!

    JESUS speaks His Word to demonics - and they flee from those they have possessed.

    JESUS speaks His Word to paralyzed people - and they wind up GETTING UP and walking away.

    JESUS speaks His Word to dead and buried people in the tomb - and they come back to life!

    JESUS speaks to the winds of the atmophere and to the waters of the seas - and they STOP being ‘A Storm’ and become peaceful and tranquil in their nature.

    And for those of us in the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church - when JESUS says ‘This is My Body’ and ‘This is My Blood’ - the bread and wine on the Christian ALTARS of the Catholic and Orthodox Church really and truly DO BECOME His Body and His Blood to and for us all.

    So we have the REPETITION in the Book of Genesis wherein GOD SPEAKS and a ’something’ is CHANGED from one nature to another, from one condition to another.

    And we have the REPETITION in the Holy Gospe accounts wherein GOD INCARANTE Himself SPEAKS and a ’something’ or ’someone’ is CHANGED from one nature to another, from one condition to another.

    The REPETITION in both the Book of Genesis and the Holy Gospels is MEANT TO HELP get it through our “thick skulls” that when GOD SPEAKS something - when GOD SPEAKS anything - His Expressed Divine Will RESULTS in a Tangible Reality made manifest and which RETAINS that which God desired or desires to be brought about within HIS OWN Creation - whether that Creation being seen or Unseen.

    So GOD SPEAKS - and a ‘Thing’ is turned and transformed into ‘Something Else’.

    That’s DIVINITY-AT-WORK, folks!

    Just as GOD ‘Worked’ on the primordial no-thing-ness per the Book of Genesis which REALLY & TRULY resulted in this time-space, matter-energy SEEN ‘All’ side of His Creation - GOD INCARNATE employed those SAME IDENTICAL Divine Powers that ARE His and His ALONE within His Own time-space, matter-energy SEEN ‘All’ when He walked amongst us here on this same planet earth that we are currently walking on nearly 2,000 years ago.

    Now then…onto that VERY BITTER PILL so many all across our contemporary World ‘REFUSE TO SWALLOW’ - that of the PRIMACY of the BISHOP OF ROME…

    - Fr. Joseph

  119. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

    So when GOD speaks His Word(s) - something REALLY and TRULY happens, occurs, results.

    The ancient/foreign word for our contemporary word ‘REED’ - a rather large PIECE OF GRASS which grows in water and flops from one side to another with every breeze of the wind and with every wave of the water it dwells within - is ‘SIMON’.

    “SIMON son of Jonah, you are a happy man! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you BUT MY FATHER in Heaven. So I now say to you: YOU ARE PETER, and on this rock I (GOD INCARNATE) will build MY Church…et al” - Matthew 16:17-20

    To be CHANGED from one identity to another - from a ‘REED’ to a ‘ROCK’ takes the employment of the Divine Miraculous Powers of God Himself.

    There is DIVINE FORETHOUGHT going on here, folks!

    Simon is being DIVINELY CHANGED into Peter - a ROCK - and for what reason??

    SO THAT God Incarnate JESUS, the Christ, will use HIM so as to build His Church here on earth!

    What GOD desires TO DO down through the centuries of Human History with respect to the Divinely ascribed and assigned NATURE of ST. PETER and his Mission-Ministry in HIS CHURCH most certainly isn’t up “for grabs” despite whatever personal desires and imaginings and assertions of mere mortal men and women down through the centuries!

    Now to continue on with the PRIMACY of the Bishop of Rome…

    - Fr. Joseph

  120. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

    Whether we wish to admit it or not, ALL OF US are affected by historical events. Truth to tell, ALL OF US are the honest-to-goodness INHERITORS of what so many others - long, long done, died and buried - have BEQUETHED to us currently living in this World of ours, the year now being 2009 Anno Domini.

    Historically, ALL OF US, whether we wish to admit it to ourselves or not - are being FORCED to live with the actual and tangible results of such things as 1) The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 2) The bogus, fake and staged 9-11-2001 “Arab Terrorist” attacks 3) the Bolshevik Revolution 4) World War I 5) World War II, etc. and ad nauseum. Such things fall into the sphere of social movements, politics and economics - all which can be folded under the umbrella of the term “geo-politics”.

    And the SAME EXACT THING applies to all of us - being “inheritors” of PAST religious and spiritual ‘movements’. Our RELIGIUOS and SPIRITUAL lives have been adversely affected by indivdiuals now ‘long, long gone, dead and buried’.

    Within the WESTERN-LATIN Church, principally within the Catholic Church, we have had to endure the results of the ‘Protestant Reformation’ which was, more accurately, the ‘Protestant Revolt’.

    Setting aside all of the GEOPOLITICAL aspects of the Protestant Revolt, at the VERY HEART of the matter was THE REVOLT against….THE PRIMACY OF THE BISHOP OF ROME!

    The tangible, in-your-face RESULTS of this REVOLT against the PRIMACY of the Bishop of Rome is what so many are WHINING ABOUT nowadays…the rising and establishment of the ‘Zionist Israel First’ so-called ‘Bible-Believing’ denominations and congregations here in the now post-Protestant United States of America.

    For everyone’s information - regarding the BISHOP OF ROME’S decrees, blessings, sanction and approval of the Church’s Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture as given by the Catholic Church’s NON-ecumenical Councils of Carthage and Hippo, 393 A.D. and 397 A.D. - roughly 1,100 years BEFORE the Protestant Revolt against the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome - Luther DISCARDED as in ‘THREW OUT’ the Letter of the Hebrews, the Letter of St. James and - much to the CHAGRIN and PUBLIC EMBARASSMENT of such contemporary “Zionist-Israel-First” Dispensationalist-End Times pastors such as JOHN HAGEE and a whole contemporary slew of others here in the USA - THE BOOK OF REVELATION!

    Imagine that, the Protestant Reformer MARTIN LUTHER discarded from ‘The Bible’ - THE BOOK OF REVELATION - all of these Zionist-Israel-First “Bible-believing” PASTORS throughout these United States of America used day in and day out and from which they extract TONS OF TITHES and MUCHO DINERO from all of their ‘Hal Lindsey’ Rapture/End Times books and paraphinelia!

    So ‘Who?’ are the masses and multitudes of the ‘Bible-believers’ here in the USA going to BELIEVE? Who are they going to LOOK UP TO as a proper, valid, legitimate PASTOR of Chirst Jesus’ FLOCK here on earth?

    Who is ‘PRIME’ in this instance? Pastor John Hagee OR the Bishop of Rome??? Who?

    So now, let us turn our attention onto the sad and sorrowful Schism of 1054 A.D….

    - Fr. Joseph

  121. The Prodigal Son December 14, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

    From one of Fr. Joseph’s links… supposedly Jesus speaking (doesn’t sound like Him to me)

    “Make it known to My ministers, that given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, that they will follow him into misfortune. It will never be too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.”

    (Wouldn’t He have said, “It will never be too late to have recouse to Myself and My Mother, Mary” ? He is speaking about Himself - isn’t He in this communication ?)

    Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord complainingly said to me:

    “They did not want to heed My request. Like the King of France they will repent and do so, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer!”

    Would Jesus really call the pope ‘the Holy Father’ ?

    So here we have the ROTHSCHILD controlled vatican releasing a ‘prophecy’ that ROTHSCHILD funded Communism (funded by Roman Catholic tithes ?) will spread wars and persecutions of the Church… And then they MADE IT COME TRUE !

    And what does that say ? Am I to understand that ‘Jesus’ or ‘Mary’ made some request of France ?

    Wait… let me take a wild guess - The pope was ALSO supposed to have facilitated the consecration of France to Mary’s ‘immaculate (disembodied, impaled and flaming) heart’ !

    In any case, whatever the request was - I’m guessing it was never carried out to the satisfaction of ‘Jesus’ or ‘Mary’…

    And I bet this was right before the French revolution, right ? (I wonder WHO funded that ‘revolution’ ? Hmmm.)

    I wouldn’t want to be in the next nation that the vatican’s ‘Jesus & Mary’ want consecrated by the pope (and all of the bishops he doesn’t control) !

    An action is demanded, promising repercussions if the action is not carried out.

    Then the same entity which demands the action - refuses to ALLOW the action to be carried out, and then blames the repercussions on the inaction of the laity !

    — — —

    Norseman quotes:

    “AND NOW THESE THREE REMAIN: FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE. BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE.” (1 Cor. 13, 13)”

    My reply:

    “My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
    And by this we know we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
    For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
    Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.”
    - I John 3:18-21

    Truth IS Love !

    If I didn’t care - I wouldn’t say anything.

  122. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

    Unlike the chaos that erupted throughout the Western-Latin Church on account of the revolt against the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome, the EASTERN Orthodox Church did NOT discard ANY of the books from ‘The Bible’ as defined and declared at the Church Councils of Carthage and Hippo despite those Church Councils being NOT of ‘Ecumenical’ stature.

    The Eastern Orthodox Churches MAINTAINED and HELD TO Apostolic Tradition - the Seven Sacraments of Christ Jesus as well as the centuries old Church tradition of the Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture.

    In that same Canon of New Testament CHRISTIAN Scripture, the Eastern Orthodox Church DID NOT discard the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letter of St. James and the Book of Revelation - nor did the Eastern Orthodox Church’s DISCARD or REJECT either the FIRST letter of St. Peter or the THIRD letter of St. John.

    But perhaps, just perhaps, that Schism of 1054 which occurred 600+ years AFTER the Councils of Carthage and Hippo - the geopolitics going on at THAT TIME - caused many of the Eastern Church to OVERLOOK what God the Holy Spirit Himself INSPIRED to be written in the first letter of St. Peter and the 3rd letter of St. John.

    From 1 Peter, everyone in the Catholic Church, in the Orthodox Church and all of the 27,000 ‘bible believing’ denominations and congregations of our contemporary World can readily read what GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT wanted to be WRITTEN/RECORDED in Christ Jesus’ CHURCH here on earth:

    “Now I (St. Peter - THE ROCK) have something to tell your ELDERS: I am an Elder (as in ‘Patriarch’, as in ‘Bishop’, etc.) myself, and a witness to the sufferings of Christ, and with you I have a share in the Glory that is to be revealed. BE THE SHEPHERDS OF THE FLOCK OF GOD that is entrusted to you: WATCH OVER IT, not simply as a duty but gladly, BECAUSE GOD WANTS IT…when the CHIEF SHEPHERD appears, you will be given the Crown of Unfading Glory.” - 1 Peter 5:1-4

    Here is St. Peter - writing under the Divine Inspiration of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT - “barking Papal Orders and Instructions” out to ALL of the Church’s ELDERS, or PATRIARCHS if you prefer!

    Question: Are are are not the other ELDERS of the Church “supposed to” LISTEN TO and OBEY what St. Peter THE ROCK Apostle has to say and reveal to them ALL while under the Inspiration of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT?

    Is or is not St. Peter weilding his Christ Jesus Divinely-given, Divinely-conferred PRIMACY over all of the other ELDERS of His Church? The answer ought to be OBVIOUS, but it goes OVERLOOKED century after century.

    Could any of you image ANY Elder of the Church write back to St. Peter:

    “WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, BARKING THESE ORDERS AND INSTRUCTIONS AT US ‘FELLOW ELDERS’???”

    But does not GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT inspire St. John the Apostle to write about CHURCH ELDERS would could and would adopt such an ATTITUDE towards Apostlic Authority and Apostolic Succesion?

    Yes, God the Holy Spirit DOES inspire St. John TO WRITE just about Church Elders REJECTING Apostolic Authority and Succession:

    “I have written a note for the members of THE CHURCH, but (Elder/Patriarch/Bishop) DIOTREPHES, who seems TO ENJOY being in charge of it, REFUSES TO ACCEPT US. So if I come I shall tell everyone how he has behaved, and about the WICKED ACCUSATIONS he has been circulating against us. And if that were not enough, he not only REFUSES to welcome our brothers, but PREVENT other people who would have liked to from doing it, and EXPELS THEM from the Church…et al”
    - 3 John 9-11

    Did not Elder/Patriarch DIOTREPHES utterly REJECT the St. Peter THE ROCK’S own PRIMACY DIRECTIVES to and for the Lord’s Church here on earth?

    St. John the BELOVED APOSTLE whom the Lord Himself LOVED so very much asserts that DIOTREPHES has done that to a greiveous degree!

    The overt HOSTILITY that the Patriarchs of the Eastern Orthodox Church is very much the same sort of ’spirit of Diotrephes’ as recorded in the Canon of Sacred Christian Scripture as defined by the NON-ecumencial Church Councils of Carthage and Hippo.

    And their HOSTILITY translates into the same sort of ’spirit’ down the ranks of their particular hierarchial structures.

    There is NO DENYING IT - I get to see it employed against ME time after time after time by people with the MISTAKEN idea and thought that I’m ordained into the ROMAN Catholic Church.

    I’ve been ordained into the Utrecht Succession of the Catholic Church - i.e the ‘DUTCH’ Catholic Church which is canonically INDEPEDENT of Rome and the Vatican!

    “We” wind up selecting our OWN Bishops - but every last one of OUR Bishops recognizes the PRIMACY of the Bishop of Rome!

    And “we” ARE Catholics right along with all of the Byzantines, Melkites, Malabars, etc. with NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome!

    - Fr. Joseph

  123. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

    So let us ALL go back to pondering those two words:

    ‘GOD SAID’

    And ‘GOD SAID’

    ‘Simon (Reed), Simon (Reed)! SATAN, YOU MUST KNOW, has got his wish to sift you ALL like wheat; but I (JESUS) have prayed for YOU, SIMON (REED), that YOUR faith may not fail, and once you have recovered, YOU in YOUR TURN MUST STRENGHTEN YOUR BROTHERS.” - Luke 22:31-33

    So it would seem from Sacred Scripture that THE LORD simply can’t make up His Mind. Is Simon a REED or is Simon the ROCK!

    But take careful notice, JESUS prays specifically FOR Simon ‘THE REED’ who is then expected by GOD INCARNATE HIMSELF to be about STRENGHTENING his brother Apostles!

    God Incarnate HAS made His Divine Choice! SIMON received the Prayers of God the Son HIMSELF.

    Getting GOD THE SON to PRAY for YOU certainly ‘outranks’ ANY Saint’s-in-Heaven intercessory prayer before the Throne of God the Father!

    So the SON OF GOD is Divinely Confirmation and Affirming ST. PETER’S PRIMACY over the rest of his Apostolic brothers - and it is the SON OF GOD Himself Who PRAYS for St. Peter before the Throne of God the Father and Who has made His Divine Choice of Divine Will to make ST. PETER the ‘Rock’ upon which He, the Incarante Son of God, would build HIS Church here on earth!

    From the Acts of the Apostles, we ALL can read the PRIMACY of St. Peter…

    “One day PETER stood up to speak to the brothers…et al” - Acts 1:15 and it is ST. PETER who “barks orders” that the Apostolic office vacated by the suicide-death of Judas is to be FILLED by someone else who would ASSUME the Apostolic Succession of Judas.

    Can any one really imagine any of the OTHER Apostles telling St. Peter

    “WHO PUT YOU IN CHARGE OVER US, TELLING US WHAT WE ARE TO DO AND HOW WE ARE TO DO IT?
    ALL OF US ARE JUST AS ‘EQUAL’ IN PROMINENCE AS YOU, PETER!”

    - Fr. Joseph

  124. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

    Now back to this issue of the PRIMACY of the Bishop of Rome who is the Apostolic successor to ST. PETER with an unjaundiced eye to what is known as the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother - THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17.

    So we’ve read from the Gospel according to St. Luke:

    “Simon! Simon! SATAN, you must know, has got his wish to sift you all like wheat; but I have prayed for you, Simon, that YOUR faith may not fail, and once you have recovered, YOU in YOUR TURN must strenghten your brothers.” - Luke 22:31-33

    (Prodigal Son, I’m just QUOTING FROM the Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture as defined by the Catholic Church’s Councils of Carthage and Hippo which were accepted and approved by the Bishop of Rome, the Apostolic Successor to THE ROCK, St. Peter)

    “Fast Foward” in time from the year 33 A.D. or there abouts to the year 1884 A.D.

    ONCE AGAIN, the Lord winds up WARNING the Successor of St. Peter who was Pope Leo XIII that SATAN - ONCE AGAIN - HAS GOTTEN HIS WISH to sift the ENTIRE CHURCH like wheat. And it was up to the Successor of St. Peter - THE BISHOP OF ROME - to rally his Apostolic Successor’s BROTHERS.

    And just ‘HOW’ were they supposed to do THAT?

    The same EXACT WAY it was done back in the time of St. Peter and the rest of the Lord’s Apostles….

    - Fr. Joseph

  125. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

    Now about REPETION - “We’ve ALL seen the SAME OLD RE-RUNS on our t.v. sets! (grin)”

    Sacred Scripture records the following saying of the WISEST MAN who every lived - King Solomon - in the Old Testament book of ECCLESIASTES:

    “This, however, you must know: I find that God made man simple; man’s complex problems are of his own devising.” - Si 7:29 - and

    “What was will be again; what has been done will be done again; and there is nothing new under the sun.” - Si 1:9

    So JESUS gives St. Peter the Divine ‘Heads Up’ that SATAN was out to destroy His Church here on earth. That was back around 33 A.D. when the ‘Corporate-Industrial-Military Complex’ had the ENTIRE WORLD in its grip with all manner of 1st century ‘Zionism-Talmudism-Kabbalahism’ going on along with every manner of OLD ‘New Age’ cult such as the Cult of Diana and ALL of the ‘free/open SEX and PORNOGRAPHY’ engulging the citizens of the Roman Empire.

    So ‘Fast Forward’ to 1884 A.D. “Same-Same”.

    The LORD gives the successor of St. Peter, Pope Leo XIII, a ‘Divine Heads-Up’ that SATAN, once again, has gotten his wish to attempt TO DESTROY His Church here on earth.

    “Same-Same”, the century following 1884 A.D. - the ‘Corporate-Industrial-Military Complex’ HAS swallowed up our entire World, the resurrection of ‘Zionism, Talmudism, Kabbalahism’ is running amock all over our World. All of the ‘OLD’ New Age Cults are back up and running - Platonic Esotericism, Gnostism of every manner and sort - and the Cult of Diana is inducing everyone back into the ‘Temples of Ritual/Free/Open Sex and Pornography’.

    Oh brother…one big YAWN!

    We’ve seen this same old ‘Popeye & Bluto’ Cartoon of Max Fleischer’s for about the 1,000th time. My gosh!

    So nearly 2,000 years ago, JESUS tells His in-much-distress-infant-Church to ALL gather up together - St. Peter and the Apostles - ALONG WITH the Mother of God in the ‘Upper Room’ - and that THEY ought to PRAY TOGETHER for “Divine Power From On High”.

    St. Peter and ALL of the Apostles OBEY THE LORD, go up into the ‘Upper Room’ WITH the Blessed Virgin Mary - the Mother of God - the Woman of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 - and they PRAY TOGETHER simultaneously. And what happens?

    The Divine Power of God the Holy Spirit descends upon them ALL A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE from every corner of the World of that time.

    So 33 years AFTER the Lord AGAIN giving the successor of St. Peter a ‘Divine Heads-Up’
    that SATAN had gotten his wish TO SIFT His Entire Universal Church - the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 HERSELF informs the BISHOPS of her Son’s Church here on earth to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    IF the successor of St. Peter ALONG WITH the successors to the Lord’s Apostles GET TOGETHER in their ‘Upper Room’ CATHEDRALS along with the MOTHER OF GOD, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 so as to CALL UPON God the Holy Spirit in order TO SHUT this ‘Satanic Spiritual Portal’ opened up by the Kabbalahistic/Talmudic BOLSHEVIK JEWS from their ’spiritual base’ of RUSSIA back in 1917 A.D. via a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart - then God the Holy Spirit will RENEW the spiritual face of OUR planet earth and RENEW all of Mankind with the Divine Gift of WORLD PEACE that the Divine Saviour of our Human Race was sent to this World of ours by GOD THE FATHER to give to all who call upon His Name!

    I am having a VERY HARD TIME in trying to make all of this any more SIMPLER!

    “So SIMPLE - a caveman can do it!” - advertisment saying of G.E.I.C.O. - an automobile insurance company here in the United States of America

    - Fr. Joseph

  126. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    Once again, in REPETITION of myself, really and truly DO consider these words of a Lay Carmelite of the Catholic Church:

    “The MORE OBVIOUS something is, the more likely it will be OVERLOOKED.”

    Now lookie here, you and a whole host of others from any of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES who cannot but help give me trouble and throw obstacles up at me and in front of me on account of that most GREIVIOUS ‘SIN’ of being a ‘Catholic Chrisitan’ - I want for ALL OF YOU to summon up all of the GUT-COURAGE you all have so as TO DO that which ALL OF YOU of the Eastern Orthodox Churches NEED TO DO so that ONCE-AND-FOR-ALL all of you can show the ENTIRE WORLD and its 6 billion human inhabitants that the Catholic Church and her Bishop of Rome and his Bishops are in utter APOSTASY and are ’satanic HERETICS’ - every last one of them!

    “The MORE OBVIOUS something is, the more likely it will be OVERLOOKED!”

    Now this is what YOU and all of the rest of you here on RZN from the Eastern Orthodox Churches DO…

    ALL OF YOU go to your Patriarchs, Metropolitans, Bishops, Hiermonks, Abbots, Priests and members of the Deaconate and you ‘Pass On’ this idea of MINE to all of them - all in order TO PROVE ONCE AND FOR ALL that the Catholic Church is APOSTATE and nothing but a collection of HERESIES.

    You go tell every last member of the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy of your respective Eastern Orthodox Church - I don’t care if it is RUSSIAN Orthodox, GREEK Orthodox, SYRIAN Orthodox, COPTIC Orthodox, etc. - that THEY ought to PRESSURE/COAX/DEMAND that the ‘apostate/heretical’ BISHOP OF ROME go right ahead and ORDER every last Bishop of the Catholic Church to go perform that ‘public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother, the Blessed Virgin, the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos’…so that the ENTIRE WHOLE-WIDE WORLD will see these ‘apostate’ and ‘heretical’ Bishops of the Catholic Church “smear DIVINE EGG on all of their ‘apostate’ and ‘heretical’ faces” for EVERY LAST LIVING SOUL ON EARTH to see!

    And when “Nothing At All” HAPPENS as a result of this ‘bogus/fake/apostate/heretical’ Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Mother of God’s own Immaculately Loving Heart per this FALSE-SATANIC supposed Apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary herself AS Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. - then the WHOLE WIDE WORLD and ALL of its 6 billion human souls can all go obtain CHRISTIAN BAPTISM from the Patriarchs and the Ecclesiastical Clergy of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES the World over!

    “The MORE OBVIOUS something is, the more likely it will be OVERLOOKED.”

    Sshheezzzz Louiseeee - I have to wind up telling members of the Orthodox Church here on RZN how TO PROVE to the entire World who was ‘Right’ and who was ‘Wrong’ and ‘Who Split From Whom Back In 1054 A.D.’!

    “So SIMPLE - a Caveman can do it!”

    - Fr. Joseph

  127. arjan December 14, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

    FR Joseph, you need to pray more and talk less. God Bless You.

    Arjan

  128. KathJuliane December 14, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

    As found in in Scripture in the four orders of primitive Church government, “presbyteros” means “elder”, and later etymologically evolved into the word “prester” or “priest”. Their ministry from the start was to guide (rule), “labor in the word” and teach true “doctrine” (dogmata) (1 Tim 5:17).

    The bishop is the “overseer” of the congregation and clergy in a given area, whith the bishop being the leader of the elders. Nonetheless, “bishop” is a specfic office in both the NT and the early Church. The Twelve Apostles were the first to hold this office (in Acts 1:20 “office” is literally “bishopric” or “episkope”), and they in turn ordained other bishops to follow them.

    “Presbyter” by any definition does not mean “patriarch” (father of a country) or “pope” (from the Gk. for “father”)for those are titles of certain ranks within the college of bishops.

    The word “canonical” has specialized meaning with reference to the books of Scripture, and this must be distinguished from the more usual use of the word in the Orthodox Church, where it refers not to the “canon” of Scripture, but to “canons” or laws proclaimed at church councils.

    In the latter sense, “canonical” means in accordance with the Church’s canons, and “uncanonical” or “non-canonical” has the meaning of “not in accordance with the Church’s canons.”

    In the former, restricted sense, “canonical’ means only “included in the Hebrew canon” of 22 books (38 books, several were joined to form the total of 22, according to the number of the Hebrew alphabet), and “non-canonical” means only “not included in the Hebrew canon (but still accepted by the Church as Scripture).

    To them are joined a group of “non-canonical” books – that is, those which were not included in the Hebrew canon because they were written after the closing of the canon of the sacred Old Testament books.

    The Divinely inspired Hebrew canon as it was used in the Synagogue and Temple was “fixed” in time by the publication of Septuagint – the Greek translation of the OT made by the Seventy-two scholars, who, according to tradition and Josephus, were commissioned by the Aaronic High Priest (the guardian of Scripture under the written Law of Moses) at the request of the Egyptian King Ptolemy II in the 3rd c. BC sent from Jerusalem to translate the OT into Greek.

    It then was used by Greek-speaking Judeans throughout the empire, as well as associated “God-fearers” attached to the synagogues.

    The books of the Septuagint especially the Pentateuch became one of the most popular books among Gentiles, and the copy-mills of Alexandria churned out inferior copies for literary-hungry public consumption.

    The Church accepts these latter books written after the 3rd c. BC in the inter-testament period like Maccabees and Ecclesiasticus (some were thought to be “near-inspired”) as also as useful and instructive, and in antiquity assigned them for instructive reading not only in homes but also in churches, which is why they have been called “ecclesiastical books” in Scripture canon. The “ecclesiastical” canon as instructive “uninspired” texts historically, or for edification and piety is somewhat flexible per Local Church.

    In the West these books of the ecclesiastical canon are commonly called the Apocrypha, even though they were included in the earliest printings of the KJV, and a law of 1615 in England even forbade the Bible to be printed without these books.

    In the Roman Catholic Church since the 16th century the “non-canonical” books have been called “Deuterocanonical – belonging to a second or later canon of Scripture, those books that were originally called the ecclesiastical books.

    The Orthodox Church includes those books in a single volume of the Bible together with the Hebrew canon. The Church recognizes twenty-seven canonical books of the NT.

    Since the sacred books of the NT were written in various years of the apostolic era and were sent by the Apostles to various points of Europe and Asia, and certain of them did not have a definite designation to any specific place, it was necessary to keep strict watch lest among the books of apostolic origin there might be found any of the spurious so-called “apocryphal” or “lost gospel” books, which for the most part were composed in heretical circles, the earliest of which dates to the late second century.

    The Fathers of the Church, the bishops, individually kept master lists (their canon) of the Sacred Books, some of which were incomplete or they were cautious about doubtful books. They often corresponded with each other concerning the NT books and questionable writings that arose.

    The writings attributed to the apostles circulated amongst the earliest Christian communities. The Pauline epistles were circulating in collected form by the end of the first century AD. Justin Martyr, in the early second century, mentions the “memoirs of the apostles,” which Christians called “gospels” and which were regarded as on par with the Old Testament.

    A four gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus, c. 160.

    By the early 200’s, Origen of Alexandria was using the same 27 books found in modern New Testament editions, though there were still disputes over the canonicity of Hebrews, James, II Peter, II and III John, and Revelation.

    The Muratorian fragment is a copy of perhaps the oldest known list of the books of the New Testament. The fragment is a seventh-century Latin manuscript bound in an eighth or seventh century codex that came from the library of Columban’s monastery at Bobbio; it contains very strong internal cues which suggest that it is a translation from a Greek original written about 170.

    The text of the list itself is traditionally dated to about 170 because its author refers to Pius I, bishop of Rome (142 - 157), as recent, and that Hermas, Pius’ brother, wrote the Shepherd, but was not to be read publicly to the people in church either among the Prophets (OT) or among the Apostles, being written after their time, and therefore not inspired canon.

    The case of Marcion, born about 110 AD and the son of the wealthy Bishop of Sinope in Pontus, the anathematized Gnostic heretic that rallied the early Church against him, is very instructive concerning the canon of Scripture, because he indirectly proves that the New Testament books, or at any rate the central “core” of the Gospels and the Pauline and General Epistles, were already used very widely in the time as the standard canon before Marcion.

    In his justifications of all the Scripture he threw out for his own sect, including the OT, except for Luke and Paul, he inadvertently let us know what the canon of the Church of Sinope and Pontus was. Marcion’s own bishop and father excommunicated him.

    Marcion lived infamously in the period considered to be the Apostolic Fathers, now represented by a small number of Early Christian authors of which any texts remain who lived and wrote in the second half of the first century, and first half of the second, being of the generation that had personal contact with the Apostles, especially the Twelve Apostles.

    Thus they provide a link between the Apostles who knew Jesus of Nazareth and the later generation of Church Fathers: Christian apologists, defenders of orthodoxy, and developers of doctrine.

    They are acknowledged as leaders in the early Church, and their letters circulated widely although their writings were not included in the New Testament because they were not Apostles - the living witnesses of Jesus Christ and His ministry, from their time as disciples of John the Baptist, and the Lord’s crucifixion and resurrection.

    The Apostle Paul, although not an early disciple, received direct Revelation of the Risen Christ in His glorified flesh, and a direct commission as an apostle, which was accepted by the rest of the Apostles at Jerusalem.

    These authors include St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, and St. Polycarp of Smyrna, and the other bishops who had been personal disciples of the Apostles, including the Seventy Apostles that also went out.

    The Apostolic Fathers would have immediately known which were authentic apostolic texts and which were not, by what was already passed on to them from the apostles own hands.

    As far as the Local Church Synods of Hippo, Diocese of Afriqya and Carthage, Diocese of Mauretania 393 A.D. and 397 A.D, respectively, they were invoked by their own autonomous archbishops and not at all subject to the Diocese of Rome. Because of the widespread persecutions which left a good part of the churches and monasteries with their holy books and other things burned, and with all of the Jewish badgering and Gnostic sects that were authoring spurious “Gospels”, the various synods were necessary.

    They naturally consulted with other bishops across the empire concerning their traditional canon of Scripture.

    Basically, the Bishop of Rome of the Diocese of Roma at that time said that the “canon” or list of Scripture of the Local Church of Rome used agreed with what the respective synods had already determined.

  129. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

    Let’s STOP going ’round and ’round in circles be one a Jew, a Moslem, a Catholic, an Orthodox, an Atheist, Deist, Theist, Agnostic or Gnostic or WHATEVER.

    CHRISTIANITY is all about a HISTORICAL EVENT that really and truly DID happen right her on our Planet Earth 2,000 years ago.

    That Historical Event was this:

    GOD HIMSELF took on our human nature in the womb of a Woman. PERIOD.

    People don’t like to hear that GOD took on our human nature. Period.

    This GOD SAID that He would see to it that ALL OF US would have WORLD PEACE if but the BISHOP OF ROME and the Bishops IN UNION with him would perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart.

    That is ALL that needs to be considered, pondered about, spoken about and insisted upon in THIS period of Human History - the year now being 2009 Anno Domini.

    I repeat for those ‘hard of hearing’ and for those who DO NOT WANT TO HEAR IT…

    GOD SAID HE WOULD GIVE ALL OF US WORLD PEACE IF THE BISHOP OF ROME AND THE BISHOPS IN UNION WITH HIM WOULD PERFORM A PUBLIC AND SOLEMN COLLEGIAL CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA TO HIS MOTHER’S IMMACULATELY LOVING HEART.

    What happened CENTURIES ago in Human History and in Church History doesn’t mean A FLIP in the midst of all of the SATANIC ASSAULTS going on against Mankind in this World of ours in this year 2009 Anno Domini.

    The “Reformation” is now IMMATERIAL.

    The “Schism of 1054″ is now IMMATERIAL.

    Either the BISHOPS of the Church do what GOD SAID He wants done - or not. Period.

    So whatever ANY Monk on Mount Athos might say - whatever ANY person might wish to say about HISTORY is entirely IMMATERIAL when placed next to what ‘GOD SAID’..

    GOD SAID He would see to it OUR World of 2009 A.D. would obtain WORLD PEACE by the Bishop of Rome and ALL the Bishops in union with him would perform a simply PUBLIC yet SOLEMN Religious Liturgical Ceremony IN HONOR OF His Own Mother!

    Folks, IT’S THAT SIMPLE!

    - Fr. Joseph

  130. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

    And I know, I know, I know…

    Everyone’s ‘ORTHODOXY’ is so much more IMPORTANT than obtaining WORLD PEACE for all of Mankind.

    - Fr. Joseph

  131. The Prodigal Son December 14, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

    The synods of Hippo and Carthage took place during a time when the Roman Church taught the same doctrine as the others of the Pentarchy. The Church was still one at that time, but these synods mentioned by Fr. Joseph had nothing to do with Rome.

    Carthage and Hippo are both in Africa, and any synods held there were never Roman Catholic per se, but only catholic in that Rome at that time was still part of the one Church.

    A council in Carthage was the first to set forth a list of Biblical books which matches the list used today by Roman Catholic… but earlier synods had also provided listings of approved books which differed slightly from the one referenced by Fr. Joseph.

    However, Fr. Joseph’s assertion that Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians today use the same Scripture is not correct.

    First - the Orthodox Bible contains books that are not in the Roman Catholic…

    Second - the Roman church utilizes the Vulgate (Latin) translation of the O.T. (based on later ‘Jewish’ Pharisaic/Masoretic texts), while Orthodox traditionally use the (Greek) Septuagint LXX.

    So yes many of the book titles are the same, but the contents are entirely different !

    The apostles & the earliest Christians almost certainly all used the Septuagint, so this is just one more example of how the pope has altered what Christianity was… and how the Orthodox have remained the same.

    Much of the Masoretic texts were altered to mask the fact (from ‘Jews’) that Jesus HAD been the promised Messiah, and to try to hide the fact that the nation of Edom (cursed by God) had been absorbed into the land of Judah.

    These Edomites became known as nothing more than ‘Jews’ (Judeans), and over time rose to power within ‘Jewry’ (Judea). In Christ’s time the King - Herod was an Edomite, and Herod was the one who had appointed the Pharisee High Priests who persecuted Jesus and handed Him up to the Romans to be crucified.

    Jesus was said by the people to be the Promised King of Israel. What would have happened to an Edomite king - if an Israelite King came to power ?

    Anyhow, here are accounts of earlier synods and councils also held in Hippo and elsewhere…

    “Two synods, in 255 and 256, held under Cyprian, pronounced against the validity of heretical baptism, thus taking direct issue with Stephen I, bishop of Rome, who promptly repudiated them. A third synod in September 256, possibly following the repudiation, unanimously reaffirmed the position of the other two. Stephen’s pretensions to authority as bishop of bishops were sharply resented, and for some time the relations of the Roman and African Churches were severely strained.”

    “The most celebrated Council of Antioch took place in the summer of 341 at the dedication of the golden Basilica, and is therefore called in encaeniis (εν εγκαινιοις), in dedicatione. Nearly a hundred bishops were present, all from the Orient, but the bishop of Rome was not represented. The emperor Constantius attended in person.”

    They declared (in part):

    “Without due invitation, a bishop may not ordain, or in any other way interfere with affairs lying outside his proper territory.”

    Doestn’t sound like they believed in ‘Papal primacy’, does it ?

    From the Orthodox Study Bible, we may read RE: Matthew 16:18:

    “16:18 - Peter/rock is a play on the word for ‘rock’ in both Aramaic and Greek (petros/petra). This rock refers not to Peter per se, but to “the faith of his confession” (JohnChr).

    The true rock is Christ Himself (I Co 10:4), and the Church is built on the faithful confession of Christ.”

    And RE: Matthew 16:19…

    “16:19 - Keys of the Kingdom refers to a special authority that will be given to both Peter and the other apostles after the resurrection (see Matt 18:18; John 20:23). Peter was not a leader over the others, but among them.

    This truth was confirmed at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) where the apostles and presbyters met as equals, and wher Peter advised, but James presided. Papal claims in later centuries must not be confused with the NT witness regarding Peter, nor should the role of Peter be diminished in opposition to these claims.

    Binding and loosing is a reference primarily to the authority ‘to absolve sins’ (JohnChr; see Jn 20:23), but it also includes all the teaching, sacramental and administrative authority of the apostles. This authority was in turn transmitted to the bishops of the Church and continues in effect to this day.”

  132. KathJuliane December 14, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

    Marcion was the son of the Bishop of Sinope in Pontus who fully excommunicated him for this heresy. By 144 AD, at age 34, Marcion had caused such a firestorm of madness with his dualistic Gnosticism that his teachings were quickly the subject of a major investigation and condemnation in an effort to extirpate it throughout the churches.

    Gnosticism with its two-gods teaching one good, one evil, considered only the spirit as good, and the material and created world as evil.

    Two general directions tended to arise with Gnosticism and the teaching that matter is an evil principle, and invariably that can only be overcome with a system of higher religio-philosophical knowledge (gnosis) by uniting Greek philosophy and the philosophy with the learned Alexandrian Jew Philo with the Eastern religions, especially the dualistic form of later dualistic Zoroastrianism. Becoming acquainted with Christianity, and even having accepted it, they strove to unite their fantastic systems with Christianity.

    Gnosticism invariably led to extremely severe ascetism:

    The Alexandrian Gnostics (the Syrian Basilides and the Jew Valentinus and their followers), starting from the dualistic acknowledgement of two fundamental principals existence, they considered matter to be an inactive, dead, inert, negative principle to be completely despised, while –

    The Syrian Gnostics, accepting the same dualism, acknowledged matter as the active principle of evil. To this current, among others belonged Tatian, a former disciple of St. Justin the Philosopher, and preached a severe ascetism.

    The Antinomians were an offshoot of the Syrian Gnostics; they permitted gross immorality and licentiousness for the purpose of weakening and mortifying the principle of evil – the flesh, the matter. (Shades of Sabbatai Zvei).

    To take the step further, Marcion believed that the God of the Old Testament was an evil creator god that Jesus came to destroy, and that Jesus was just a spirit who assumed a phantom body (docetism).

    Marcion believed that this evil god did in fact reveal his will through the Old Testament. Thus he believed in the “inspiration” of the Old Testament from divine sources, although from an evil source.

    Marcion’s canon: Luke + Paul’s writings. His concern was to exclude books that he disapproved of from his own “canon”.

    He was not assembling a collection of Christian books, but making a very restricted selection from the corpus of sacred texts which already existed among the Apostolic Fathers in the churches and which must already have been recognized as authentic and sacred by many in the church -otherwise he would not have needed to vigorously insist on abolishing them for his own teachings.

    Marcion accepted only the gospel of Luke to the exclusion of the other three gospels. He also accepted all of Paul’s writings but he would entirely excise any Old Testament quote or anything else that contradicted his cosmological views.

    Neither the Local Councils of Hippo nor Carthage were invoked by the Bishop of Rome, nor did he attend, so how could he have authority over them? At that he time attended to his own defined diocese as per the Apostolic decrees, which was not the entirety of Western Europe.

    . The Local Council of Carthage in 318, in its 33rd Canon law, enumerated all of the books of the NT without exception. St. Athanasius the Great names all without the least doubt or distinction. St. Cyril of Jerusalem also completely enumerates the books of the NT. The same complete listing among the Western writers, for example Augustine.

  133. Norseman December 14, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

    Dear RZN family,

    Do you realize HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE to be able to discuss and learn in this forum the way we do it, even if from time to time things get out of control?

    The Holy Spirit has grabbed Father Joseph, and –at least to me- his comments are precious. Thank you Father Joseph!

    So the comment of KathJuliane listing all popes up to St. Zacharias, that was amazing, thank you too!

    Thank you Charlie and Michael K. for your kind words and insight.

    I attended catechism at a time that the Catholic Church was filled with the unholy spirit of Vaticanum II and corollaries, like the “Liberation Theology” (liberation from God!!). The image of Jesus that we got was so watered down, so unreal, that I could not identify myself. And this is why: we never got to do a serious reading of the Bible.

    To add insult to injury, my country was as secular as any other Western country, Freemasonry had already displaced Christianity from our lives. The result: for many years I went “astray”, didn’t think of myself as a Christian. Christians were feeble, they spoke about abstract things without connection to the real world. And I knew for sure that the world was collapsing back then already.

    Until at one point I got to really read the Holy Bible! Wow, how wrong I was! How much I needed to humiliate myself before Jesus Christ! This filled my life until the present moment…

    These are the mysteries and the Grace of God, and we all need to be humble because our Heavenly Father is so much bigger than our limited, vain intellects.

    This I say because, yes, the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by Satan’s pawns. But that doesn’t mean that all Catholics are lost! Far from it! As Father Joseph says, this is nothing new, it happened many times and the Catholic Church was able to heal and defeat the traitors. This is our problem: traitors of the sort of Vatican II cardinal Bea (himself Jew and judaizing) or cardinal Suenens (freemason), just to name two. Again, this two-thousand-year-long fight for the Church has been superbly summarized in the book I cited before “The Plot Against the Church”.

    Has the Orthodox Church succumbed under the persecutions of the Bolsheviks? After so many millions innocent Orthodox Christians have been killed, after the suppression and infiltration of the Church and persecutions in Holy Russia and other communist countries, it is still alive and growing! What a joy for us Catholic Christians to see this, also that Vladimir Putin is a church-goer and a good Christian!

    For it is written:

    And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, AND THE GATES OF HADES WILL NOT OVERCOME IT (Matthew 16:18).

  134. kc December 14, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    But technically, world peace is not the ultimate purpose. The purpose (well at least from my Orthodox perspective) is the teaching of the Word to all nations, which is the only thing that brings peace to a person. The real change is the change within, inside us.

    But it brings war into the world because Devil is placed as the king of this world, by God, to enable/make us stronger and is a tool for making us - Christians.

    This world will not have peace, and the only way that would theoretically happen, is if we people, all of us, start to live as Christ in a way as to prepare ourselves for heaven.

    The true peace is with God and our future (hopefully) life with God. In HEAVEN there is no wars and conflicts because we have learned to live with God. The kingdom of God is inside us.

    Teaching and revealing of True Christian Faith is the most important thing for all people. Our life is not dedicated for making this world better, as much as making ourselves better (its related but priorities are not the same). We are strangers to this world and any Christian should know it from the Scriptures.

  135. Fr. Joseph December 14, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

    Let me relay something to all of you with the final intention of making a remark on and about ‘Our Lady of Fatima’s Request of a Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her own Immaculately Loving Heart’ per her 1917 Fatima, Portugal Apparitions.

    Much to my own ’shock’ and ’surprize’ but a scant several hours AFTER being ordained into the Priesthood by my OWN Bishop - while wearing the ‘Roman Collar’ - my own Bishop came up to me ASKING ME, of all people, to hear his own Confession!

    Believe it or not, THAT was the single, solitary time after my ordination into the Priesthood I heard a confession and granted Absolution for sins to and for ANYBODY!

    THE LORD, our God, King of kings and Lord of lords, has His Own much beloved souls in His Church who get to SEE Him and who get to HEAR Him. One such holy soul is one of His visionaries in Canada - a young woman.
    To this woman, our LORD APPEALS to everyone to GO TO CONFESSION on account of this World being in such a DEPLORABLY SAD shape and with the approaching ‘advent’ of MILITARY HOSTILITIES by the nations of this World who are in possession of THERMONUCLEAR WEAPONS.

    Now regarding my Bishop’s confession to ME but a scant several HOURS after my own ordination into Priesthood of the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood - don’t even bother asking me what it was the my own Bishop CONFESSED to me. God the Holy Spirit ‘ERASES’ the memory of what a person confesses to you upon the granting of Absolution…that’s my personal experience.

    So THAT brings me up to sharing what the local Catholic Diocesean Priest, Fr. Jerry, gave as his homily at the Mass I attended this past Sunday night

    He relayed the tale of a Native American Indian - a very old man who was a GRANDFATHER - giving his own grandchildren their “spiritual instruction & counsel”.

    This grand-FATHER told his grandchildren a tale of TWO WOLVES. One wolf was loving, compassionate, concerned, merciful, endowed with wisdom, was sincere, honest and truthful. The other wolf was full of bitterness, hate, filled with envy and jealousy, was violent and only intended on tearing at another with its fangs. And BOTH of these wolves were ALIVE in each and every last human being on earth. And these two wolves were constantly FIGHTING with each other WITHIN every last human being alive on earth until the moment of their mortal human death.

    One of the grandchildren listening to this ELDER asked her grandfather:

    “Grandfather - which one of these two wolves WINS THE FIGHT in each and every last one of us?”

    The child’s grandfather replied simply:

    “The one that YOU FEED wins the fight, as it grows BIGGER and STRONGER than the other.”

    A GOOD ordained spiritual Confessor in the Church, a GOOD ordained spiritual counselor in the Church does not only ‘HEAR’ one’s Confession - he also asks ‘WHY DO YOU, WHY DID YOU DO SUCH-AND-SUCH A THING?’

    Is is possible to simply ASK all of those of you from the Eastern Orthodox Churches here on RZN a very SIMPLE question with a spiritual eye on the subject of the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Jesus Christ’s OWN MOTHER per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions?

    “Why are ALL OF YOU from the Eastern Orthodox Churches so AFRAID of, so FEARFUL of WORLD PEACE???”

    Perhaps that WOLF you all have been FEEDING for the past 955 years has simply grown TOO BIG and has grown TOO STRONG within all of you to control and it’s now “out of control”.

    I get “torn up” and “chewed up” left and right here on RZN by those of you from the Orthodox Church.

    Spiritual Confessors of the Church DO encourage EVERYONE to periodically and/or daily make an ‘SELF-EXAMINATION OF CONSCIENCE’.

    - Fr. Joseph

  136. Norseman December 14, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

    Copenhagen conference update: THE DELEGATES ARE FREEZING!

    I couldn’t resist to report on Copenhagen’s COP 15 “GLOBAL WARMING” conference.

    The city is as full as it gets, from globalists, useful idiots and all the demons that they carry along with them.

    Model “Brave New World” Denmark had big plans for this conference, they wanted to show the world how good their soft-communism is, this model that they want to export to the rest of the world. They prepared an army of policemen, at least two helicopters are patrolling 24/7 above the city (I guess that they are not too ecological!).

    The organization has been so bad that participants have to queue outside the venue for hours to get their badges and other stuff. They complain that THEY ARE FREEZING IN THE DANISH WINTER!

    http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1929071_1929070,00.html?xid=rss-top-aol

    Now, dear brothers and sisters, is this not HEAVENLY JUSTICE?

    Those who came to save the world of becoming too hot are freezing!

    Those who thought that they are so smart that they move mountains and change climates CANNOT EVEN GET A DECENT CONFERENCE ORGANIZED!

    Now, my friends, this is HEAVENLY JUSTICE, this is Jesus Christ telling them:

    REPENT! BE HUMBLE !

  137. Stav December 15, 2009 @ 1:54 am

    Dear Fr. Joseph and all,

    Sorry for not being active on the site for some time, extreme stress and too much work, have not allowed me to respond. However I have been “watching” all posts here all this time.

    I feel I just have to respond, especially to Fr. Joseph’s twisted Roman ideas and beliefs, in order to help just a tiny bit, to restore some kind of balance here. That is, in addition to KathJuliane’s and others posts.

    Fr. Joseph, you say:

    …”And they couldn’t CARE LESS about the Eastern Orthodox Churches - the Russian Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Syrian Orthodox Church, the Coptic Orthdodox Church.”…

    Fr. Joseph, it seems to me, that actually, it is you who could not care less about the Orthodox, or about any other church for that matter. And most of all, you consistently demonstrate that you could not care less about the truth either.

    You keep defending this abomination called the “Catholic Church” (while not being either a “Church” or “Catholic”). You, along with your Roman church brethren, have usurped and without any authority, right or sense the word “Catholic” to describe your evil sect.

    Worst of all, you continue to spread your heresies to unknowing victims and reassure your fellow “catholics” that its OK and right to be “catholic” which amount to no less than a severe case of scandalizing innocents and dragging them down to the Roman “Church” deluded fallacy.

    The Orthodox Church, the true, same from the beginning, the real Body of Christ, is being attacked much more than you are willing to admit, by the evil forces at work in this world, INCLUDING YOUR ROMAN CHURCH, EVERY DAY!!! The level of blind hypocrisy you are your fellow deluded heretics show is beyond belief.

    You keep defending what is not possible to be defended in the context of fairness and truth. You keep displaying your blind dedication to the evil sect you belong to and you try to fit all information to your twisted ideology.

    You will consistently NOT mention or acknowledge the attacks by the Catholics on the Orthodox thoughout the Roman Churche’s sad history. You will not mention the killings, abuse and sheer evil conducts displayed by the Uniates nor the murderous actions such as the ones recorded during the Crusades and you will avoid any logical and sensible approaches to proving you are in serious error doctrinally and practically be others and me.

    Rest assured, your attempt to defend your “church” will not go unnoticed and they who can think and research for themselves will only get inspired to doubt this “church” even more. I only wish that the day will come when you will realize the MASSIVE PROPORTIONS OF YOUR “CHURCH’S” ERRORS and repent and return to the real one CATHOLIC and Orthodox Church, before it is too late.

    You have spread the lie long enough, there is no need for more spiritual destruction Fr. Joseph. Realize that denying the truths presented to you consistently, you are also embracing the falsehoods consistently…

    It is not only the innumerable doctrinal errors, the foul practices, the hypocritical and make belief image that your religious community is displaying to the world, but also the attitude that you are your brethren have assumed, that has made you so resilient and expanding. But don’t worry, your religious community has been rotting from the inside for a VERY long time and it has little time left.

    To anyone reading this who is curious about what is called the “Catholic Church” , I’d say, please do your own research and find out that the Roman Church as a whole:

    1) It is NOT the original Church

    2) It is the source of such evil practices where this alone is enough to prove that it has no Grace from God left.

    3) It has SERIOUSLY changed and altered he original faith, so much so , that it is unrecognizable to the original.

    4) It has supported (and even blessed) the killings of innumerable people, including what they now call “fellow Christians.”

    5) It does not care much about the salvation of it’s members nor anyone else, but rather sees it’s mission as one of worldly domination and control.

    6) It is clearly an Anti-Christ sect, which puts a human being (the Pope) above the Holy Spirit, above the Church, above Tradition, above common sense, above God the creator Himself.

    7) It has demoted Jesus Christ to Demi-God status by increasing the status of His Mother (Mary the Theotokos) to demi-goddess status.

    8) It displays an enormous pride, which consistently results in outlandish claims, changing of the faith, unfaithful practices, and contradictory doctrines, much like any other satanic sect.

    9) It consistently displays an atheist and materialistic attitude, and clearly places NO TRUST to God when it really matters, and there are countless examples of this.

    10) And off course, just like Fr. Joseph, it NEVER attempts to refute any of this with logical, sensible and factual arguments, because they know it is all true and attempting to refute this will only be showing them for what they are: Impostors , posing as if they ae the true Church.

    Don’t believe me, do you own research and verify the claims of both sides.

    Stav

  138. Stav December 15, 2009 @ 2:31 am

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    You say:

    …”A GOOD ordained spiritual Confessor in the Church, a GOOD ordained spiritual counselor in the Church does not only ‘HEAR’ one’s Confession - he also asks ‘WHY DO YOU, WHY DID YOU DO SUCH-AND-SUCH A THING?’”…

    Face it Fr. Joseph, a Priest ordained under the succession of the Heretic Popes, has got no power nor any authority to confess anyone… Your whole line of priesthood is invalid and false since your religious community decided to part themselves from the real, Original Orthodox and Catholic Church. You attempt to add authority to your claims by presenting your unauthorized “church” as a context is a Logical and circular error. It does not work. You cannot prove to non members of the Roman “church” it’s validity by presenting as a fact a validity which only YOU believe in.

    You say:

    “Is is possible to simply ASK all of those of you from the Eastern Orthodox Churches here on RZN a very SIMPLE question with a spiritual eye on the subject of the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Jesus Christ’s OWN MOTHER per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions?”

    It is very simple Fr. Joseph and please do not act as if you never got an answer to this. I have answered this to you numerous times already. The reason why we Orthodox do not consider the above mentioned event, is because we see it as one more MINOR SATANIC/DEMONIC APPARITION withing a deeply and seriously lost and deluded religious community.

    It’s much like Joseph Smith claiming that he saw an angel while we know that what he saw was simply a DEMON. In the same exact manner, we see this apparition of yours as a DEMONIC one, and with proof provided to you numerous times already.

    I don’t understand why you are still acting as if you have presented the proverbial “Ace in your pocket” when you mention this apparition of yours. And I don’t understand why you act as if you never got any answer on this either. These questions are only rhetorical, Of course, I do know the answer to those questions:

    1) You act as if you don’t know the answer, in the hopes that some did not notice others and my previous answers to you about this, and thus perhaps claim a few more people to your cause. Can’t you see that mentioning this “event” of yours has got NO DIVINE SUPPORT whatsoever?

    2) You act as if none is able to give an answer to your beloved “ace in the pocket” apparition, again in the hopes that you can emotionally attract more people to your cause.

    And now a couple of questions for you (I don’t expect a sensible answer from you as usual though):

    WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID TO CONSIDER OUR OWN ORTHODOX TRADITION’S PROPHECIES AND APPARITIONS THAT SHOW YOUR “CHURCH” TO BE A PRODUCT OF SATAN’S WORK?

    ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT US TO ACCEPT YOUR APPARITION AND REFUTE OUR OWN?

    You say:

    “Why are ALL OF YOU from the Eastern Orthodox Churches so AFRAID of, so FEARFUL of WORLD PEACE???”

    Again, Fr. Joseph, this repeated question has been answered to you many times before, but you keep on the facade that somehow you never got any answer to this. Rest assured, your facade is beginning to fade away and your true intentions are shown.

    1) We are NOT fearful of World Peace Fr. Joseph. What we are weary about is World Peace within a context of complete and total delusion. I ask you, are you not in the least concerned that World Peace without truth, will end up in ETERNAL loss of countless souls?

    2) World peace is NOT guaranteed nor is it the life of a true Christian. We are here to be in the world, but NOT of this world. Jesus Christ came to bring the sword, not peace. NOT because he is not the Lord of Peace and all that is Good and True, but because this world is dominated by the Lord of this World, which is Satan. It’s all in the Bible Fr. Joseph,

    And a last question for you:

    WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID TO ADMIT THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR VIEWS ABOUT WORLD PEACE?

    Thanks Fr. Joseph, for giving me a chance to answer these again and have more people read this.

    Stav

  139. jgalindes December 15, 2009 @ 6:15 am

    Dear Father Joseph,

    Hope you’ll entertain a Merry Christmas with your family and all those who you love and return the same feelings to you.

    As a Roman Catholic I’m rather uncomfortable to send the same wishes to all other brothers in Christ, as several here clearly stated on our assumed satanism/heretical doctrine.

    Anyway I do wish we all turn our best prayers on behalf of He who gave His own life in untold suffering for us.

    I could clearly perceive the systematic attack on you, its here chronologically exposed for anyone to see.

    Unexpectedly, when all seems going smooth, there it come the stingy comment, the indirect reference, the historical proof of “shame”…

    May God give you long life, Father Joseph.

  140. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 7:04 am

    What most people would probably regard as an obscure and possibly unpleasant footnote to Mediaeval history, the “Byzantine” Empire, was in fact still the Roman Empire, still known to Western Europeans, “Latins” or “Franks” at the time, as Romania, already the name of the Empire in Late Antiquity.

    In the Middle Ages, the Greeks used their own word for “Greeks,” Hellênes, to mean the ancient pagan Greeks, as the word is used in the New Testament — sometimes the Latin word for Greeks would be borrowed, as Graikoi, if this was needed for contemporary reference, as for the language. In 1354 Demetrius Cydones even translated the Summa Contra Gentiles (the Latin substitute for Graikoi) of St. Thomas Aquinas into Greek as the ‘Book against the Hellenes’, that is the Roman Orthodox Churches of the East.

    Mediaeval Greeks, and the other citizens of the Empire loyal to Constantinople abiding by Roman law, the British Isles, Armenians, Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs, Romano-Gauls, Romano-Bretons and Celts, Romano-Spanish, Romano-Franks, Romano-Italians, Romano-Germans in ethnarchies and duchies and eventually small enclaves scattered throughout the western provinces, were themselves always Romans, Rhômaîoi, (of the Roman land) and the Empire was always hê Rhômaiôn Arkhê, hê Rhômaiôn Basileía, “the Empire of the Romans,” or even Rhômania, as in Latin.

    Little work exists that gives treatment of the Roman Empire that addresses it as an institution with a continuous history from Augustus to Constantine XI.

    Classicist “Roman” historians lose interest in the 4th century and throw in the towel in the 5th with the “Fall of the Western Roman Empire”, while “Byzantinists” generally begin with Constantine.

    This is a distortion due to modern prejudices, written by historians whom the Romans would have dismissed as “Franks”, and in fact Medieval Roman records from Constantinople, Arabic and Turkish records all correctly attest to and identify a distinction between subjects of the Carolingian Empire and its successor states as the Latin Franks, those of the constantly expanding Papal States as Latins, and those of the true Roman Empire as the Rum or Romania.

    It is then natural that Classicists, to whom the “Romans” were the last people who proudly *weren’t* Christians starting with Gibbons, would prefer the hostile modern neologism “Byzantine” for the continuing Empire, rather than pollute the memory of Augustus and Trajan with that of the Christian Roman emperors like Justinian, Heraclius, or Basil II?

    Not much different from the even more pretensious and hostile polemics of Charlemagne, given his fierce loyalty to the the Papacy, in his chronic political and theological disputes with the Roman Emperor and the Eastern Patriarchs on behalf of Rome, and who by fiat renamed Romania as the “Empire of the Greeks” and the Roman Orthodox of the East and those Romans living in the West loyal to Constantinople as “heretics” for not bowing to his will and “restoring” the ‘filioque’ clause into the Symbol of Faith that was never there to begin with.

  141. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 7:51 am

    In October of 753, Pope Stephen II, a Roman of noble blood, met the Frankish King Pepin the Short at Ponthion, where he guaranteed the Pope’s temporal possessions and rule over a large portion of Italy, from Parma and Mantua to the borders of Apulia, including possession of the Roman imperial exarchate of Ravenna, and and southern Roman Italy. Ravenna was where the vicar of the Roman Emperor ruled over the majority of Roman citizens and domains of non-Lombard Italy in the north, and Roman dependencies in the barbarian (foreign speaking) West, from inside the Lombard kingdom.

    Dealing with the Lombard problem, though converted to the Church, the Lombards still nurtured the ambition of making themselves masters of the whole Italian peninsula. This was something that the Pope was determined not to allow, especially since the true temporal ruler of Rome was the imperial exarch at Ravenna, whom the Lombards had chased out in 751. However, locally the Bishop of Rome had also long become recognized as the defacto ruler of some Roman citizens in non-Lombard Italy.

    In the face of the Lombards’ ambitions, since his own forces were obviously not adequate to stem the Lombard advance, the Pope turned to the Franks for help. Boniface’s Latinizing and moral reforms of the Frankish Church had greatly strengthened its bonds with Rome; secondly since the Franks lived at a distance and hence would not be, it was hoped, in a position to dominate the papacy.

    But most of all, Pepin (d. 768), their new Carolingian ruler, had recently indebted himself greatly to the Popes, having asked and received papal sanction for his usurpation and seizure of the crown from the descendents of Clovis. In effect, Pepin constitutionally established a temporal monarchial dominion of the Pope that was recognized in Frankish public law and possessed of independent status from Constantinople, in effect a papal emperor.

    In turn the Pope anointed Pepin and his two sons, Charles and Carloman, and unlawfully, according to Roman law as the ordained episcopacy did not have imperial power and rights, granted the Peppinids the title “Patrician of the Romans”, a hereditary title formerly granted by the Caesar at Constantinople to Clovis and his descendents, whom Pepin usurped, having received papal sanction for his seizure of the Merovingian Frankish crown from his descendents.

    This was another epoch-making event, for it marked not only the foundation of the papal state, where the official address of the Pope was changed from Patriarchate of Rome to the Papal Palace at the Lateran, but also the protectorate of the Carolingians in Italy and the beginning of their joint imperial mission as temporal leaders, conquerors and organizers of Western Christendom.

    This donation of Pepin had to be ratified by force of arms when Aistulf, the Lombard leader refused to recognize it. After subjugating Aistulf, Pepin took the keys to the liberated cities and placed them together with his written donation to the Pope on the tomb of St. Peter.

    European coinage began with Pepin the Short who revived the system put in place by the ancient Greeks and Romans and kept going by the Eastern Roman Empire (1 libra = 20 solidi = 240 denarii). He indulged in the monopoly of the coining of money, deciding on the opening and closure of minting shops, the weight, title and the subjects represented.

    Pepin according to Frankish law, divided his realm between his two sons. When Carloman died, Charles took over as sole ruler. Bearing now the papally sanctioned now hereditary “Patrician of the Romans”, a title that could only be conferred by the Roman Emperor at Constantinople, Charles was soon called on to carry out his responsibilities, and marched against Desiderius, the Lombard ruler who had attacked the city of Rome.

    He crushed Desiderius and made himself King of the Lombards, though he never completely succeeded in subduing them. Their duchy of Benevento in the South was able to keep its independence.

    That same year (773) he renewed the donation of Pepin confirming the Pope in his possessions of the papal states, and added to them. Charles engaged in countless military campaigns on all the frontiers of his own empire, extending his rule until by 800 his realm stretched from the Atlantic to southern Italy, from the Pyrenees to the Elbe – virtually reconstituting the poltical unity of the former Western Roman Empire as Francia.

    Finally, after an earnest amount of diplomacy between Roman Constantinople and the Frankish Kingdom, Charles bent to nominal submission to Constantinople from where all titles of nobility were confirmed or conferred, his title was affirmed “King of the Franks and Lombards and Patrician of the Romans”, and the reason was simple.

    Germans or Franks or whoever became Romans if they accepted Roman law, served in the Roman Army and proceed through the ranks of the Circuit of Honor. Germans in a German tribe remained German, under local German laws, and allied German kings were considered ‘federati’. A German who joined the Roman Army became a Roman.

    The Frankish Empire outside the Papal States was ruled under Latin Frankish law, not Roman civil law; and, because the Emperor at Constantinople was the ruler of Romania and it was he who decided would wear the purple of the Emperor of the West, and only a full Roman could be that. The title of the Emperor of the West had not been conferred since 476 AD.

    When Irene assumed the crown as Empress of the East and West, Charlemagne refused to recognize her as his nominal liege, he arrogated the title of Roman Emperor of the West for himself, which Constantinople balked at, and after more serious diplomatic negotiations, Charlemagne had to settle for simply Emperor of the West and Patrician of the Romans residing there.

  142. Michael K. December 15, 2009 @ 7:55 am

    Dear Fr, Joseph,

    On a more factual note, how do you answer the evidence that this consecration has already occurred:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_of_Russia

    “Two popes consecrated Russia within the Roman Catholic Church based on the messages of Fátima and Pontevedra. One was Pope Pius XII, who was appointed Archbishop in the Sistine Chapel on May 13, 1917, the same day the Fátima apparitions were reported. The other was Pope John Paul II who was shot in Rome on May 13, 1981 and later credited Our Lady of Fátima with his recovery, saying that it was “in mysterious coincidence with the anniversary of the first apparition”.

    “In October 1942, Pope Pius XII performed the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary for the entire world and a decade later in July 1952 he specifically consecrated the Peoples of Russia to the Immmaculate Heart of Mary by his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno. Pius XII stated:

    “Just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”

    “On March 25, 1984, the feast of the Annunciation, Pope John Paul II consecrated Russia in a public ceremony. Lúcia Santos, one of the seers of the Fátima apparitions, said that the consecration requested by the Virgin Mary was fulfilled and accepted in heaven, and that everyone should live out the consecration personally by faithfully wearing the Brown Scapular.”

    “The entrance to the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Fatima, to the south of the rectory, is a segment of the Berlin Wall intended to emphasize the belief that the Rosary prayers influenced the fall of the Berlin Wall related to the Consecration of Russia based on the Our Lady of Fátima messages.”

    So, it appears that this actually occurred. And what it more, Russia, within a very few years of Pope John Paul II’s consecration, saw an amazing re-awkening of the Catholic (in this context Orthodox Catholic) faith, and the unexpected movement away from Communism towards a moderate nationalism.

    This may very well constitute the fulfillment of the blessings of the Virgin Mary. Why Not? Isn’t this a matter of perspective rather than hard and fast certainty? Maybe we are missing the forest for the trees. Further, what do you think the RZN readers can do about it other than petition a bunch of bishops who consider them ex-communicants?

    If anything, consecration of Russia might have an important reflexive effect on the Roman Catholic aristocracy, restraining their typical vindictive imperious warmongering impulses towards Russia, and for that reason alone I support it if that’s what Roman Catholics need to do to not start a war between the West and Russia. So for the record, I support Roman Catholics in their desire to do this thing. I just wonder if you missed the boat or something, because it looks like it happened and worked.

  143. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 8:06 am

    The Frankish Empire outside the Papal States was ruled under Latin Frankish law, not Roman civil law; and, because the Emperor at Constantinople was the ruler of Romania and it was he who decided would wear the purple of the Emperor of the West, and only a full Roman could be that. The title of the Emperor of the West had not been conferred since 476 AD.

    During the latter epoch the popes were the Roman citizens and temporal subjects of the emperors at Constantinople, whose state legates were installed in the palace on the Palatine. The Pope’s elections had to be confirmed by them on behalf of the emperor.

    Italy, the centre of the rising monarchial papal power, was divided between the federati Lombards and the “grasping and greedy Byzantines” or “Greeks” as Western historians tend portray things, who were the Roman Orthodox in the southern duchies of Italy who resented the predations and pretensions of the Papacy backed by the Franks to bring them under his own rule.

    Southern Italy under the exarchate of Ravenna, was a primary place where the iconoclastic persecution had driven many iconophile Greek-speaking Roman Orthodox faithful, especially the nobility, artists architects, masons, and crafts, and other guilds who rendered possible the Carolingian renaissance of Christian culture throughout Europe called Romanesque which the popes of this period fostered, and Charlemagne takes a large part of the credit for.

    First, Boniface’s reforms of the Frankish Church had greatly strengthened its bonds with Rome; and secondly Pepin the Short, their ruler, formerly the Mayor of the Palace, had recently indebted himself to the Popes, having asked and received the pope’s sanction for his usurpation and seizure of the crown from the royal Merovingian descendents of the Salian Frank King Clovis. Many of the Germans were Arian Christians at that time.

    The great warrior-king Clovis, originally a pagan but married to an Orthodox Christian, and titular federati king of the Roman Emperor at Constantinople, eschewed Arianism for Roman Orthodoxy after encountering his famous miracle that won him a great battle. After his conversion to Roman Orthodoxy, Clovis was granted by Constantinople the Roman purple of an imperial vicar. His Roman title was King of the Franks and Patrician of the Romans.

    But now all this was changed; no longer did the presence among them of a “Byzantine” Roman duke remind the Latins of Rome that their lord and master was a Greek-speaking Roman Basileos on the shores of the Bosphorus; no longer were the effigies of the descendants of Constantine received in Rome with the respectful submission due to their prototypes, and placed with honour in the chapel of S. Caesario in Palatio; and no longer did the coins of Rome called ‘bezants’, by their image and inscription, proclaim that it owed tribute and loyalty to its own Roman Caesar.

    The imperial power of Constantinople had vanished from the “Eternal City”, and, with the exception of Calabria and of a few isolated places (Naples, Hydruntum, etc.) in S. Italy, from the whole of the peninsula, Rome and Italy had now new masters.

    Leaving out of account the Greek-speaking Roman parts just mentioned and Venice, which was a practically independent state under the protection of Constantinople, the provinces of Italy were in the hands of the Pope and of the Frank.

    The former, now free in the temporal sense of the word after Pope Leo III, openly hostile to the rule of the Empress Irene, and the Salic Frankish law did not recognized female rulers at all, confers imperial authority on the Frankish king Charlemagne and then anoints him as the Emperor of the West.

    Now the Pope was lord of Rome and its duchy (along with the southern portion of Tuscany to Populonium), of the old Byzantine Roman Exarchate of Ravenna within Lombardy, including the Pentapolis, and of the duchy of Perusia (Perugia), which connected these two nearly equal strips of territory.

    The donations of Pippin and Charlemagne gave the Pope claims over various other portions of Italy; but the rest of the peninsula was, in fact, ruled by the Frankish king, either in person or by the intermediary of subject Lombard dukes.

    In place, then, of being a subject, in his view, insulted and oppressed by the domineering Byzantine Romans politically, and the Ecumenical Councils of the Church in general, and terrified by the savage Lombard, he was an independent ruler now honoured and protected by the grateful Frank.

  144. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 8:36 am

    The filioque was embraced by Charlemagne for political and religious reasons, who, enthusiastically adhering only to Augustinianism, able to read and speak court Latin fluently with not an ounce of the hated Greek tongue, no slouch himself as a vigorous defender of Iconclasm for a time, wishing to assert himself as sole Emperor and Guardian of the Faith, went so far as to discredit the Christianity of the East by using the Filioque to accuse the Roman Orthodox of both East and West of intentionally omitting it from the ancient Creed which had not been there from the beginning.

    Along with insulting them as pagans and heretics by calling them “Greeks”, which at that time, Greek-speaking Christians understood to mean Hellenic paganism and idolatry, inclusive of such allusions like pederasty, and cultural effeminancy, the Eastern Church were then called duplicitous liars.

    During his 43-year reign Charlemagne, from the Western perspective, proved himself a brilliant military strategist and administrator, with the reputation of promoting art and education while waging war at the same time from Saxony to the Mediterranean.

    Keen on standardization, Charlemagne persisted on Latinizing all of the autonomous and autocephelus Local Churches throughout Europe according to the Roman rite, supressing all ethnic liturgical expressions and traditions, even those in Latin, in order to bring them under submission to the Pope of Rome spiritually, and often temporally.

    Those bishops, churches and monasteries which did not submit to the Papacy or Frankfurt willingly were gently deposed and removed, anything not written in Latin was deemed unfit, and replaced with those loyal to Rome, and on papal documents it can be found language like the Pope took possession of these properties.

    The Carolingian political edifice had been built on military success composed of annual campaigns, which had generated a substantial income through tribute and plunder, and had helped unite the Frankish aristocracy under Carolingian leadership.

    The shift from expansion to consolidation thus posed political as well as military challenges: securing long frontiers and newly conquered provinces; neutralizing old, new and potentially dangerous pagan neighbours, notably in Denmark, and opposing the Roman Emperor of the East and West disrupting whatever diplomatic arrangements of alliances among the various kings had been made by Constantinople.

    It is now increasingly recognized that Charlemagne and his 9th-century successors responded in imaginative and original ways.

    Among his many campaigns among the Germanic tribes, a number of which had been converted by the Irish monks, and the fully or partially Christianized provinces and frontiers of sovereign federati Frankish and Gothic kingdoms in liege to Constantinople, and Byzantine Roman ethnarch areas of the western Mediterranean provinces were:

    The Lombard War (773-775); the Spanish War (778-801); the conquest of Bavaria (787-788); the conquest of the Avars (791-801); the Byzantine Roman War (802-812); and a thirty-year effort to subdue the Saxons and convert them to Christianity or Latinize existing Christian tribes.

    Known for his piety as well as his stunning brutality (he once beheaded more than 4,000 Saxons in one day), Charlemagne united most of Europe and created a period of relative order under Frankish law during the otherwise tumultuous Middle Ages, and set the foundational joys of feudal serfdom, especially for the vast majority of agricultural Christians, while the pitiful Jews were invited in great numbers to settle in his kingdom in the urban areas in order to get the engines of trade and commerce rolling.

  145. Norseman December 15, 2009 @ 8:54 am

    HELLO EVERYBODY!

    This is Ground Control calling RZN

    ARE YOU LISTENING??

    People, we are in a forum founded by a monk named Brother Nathanael, dedicated to exposing the New World Order and the Jews behind. DO YOU REMEMBER??

    If you are invited to your brother’s home, is it right to fight with the other guests?

    Or, if they are guests of your brother, should you not rather treat them as your brothers too??

    Do you think that the reader that comes to this site is interested in your theological fights, or is he more interested to know who is selling him and his family to the devil?

    What message are we conveying to these readers, that we are a bunch of fanatics that cannot agree on our own faith?

    FOR CHRIST’S SAKE!!

    Dear Brother Nathanael: can’t we have a parallel forum in this site for those willing to fight about theology? Because most of the latest posts are way out of the theme of this thread.

    WE HAVE A MISSION AND A MORAL OBLIGATION TO TEACH AND WARN OTHERS, THOSE SILENT READERS OF THIS SITE!!

    YOU ARE WASTING YOUR AMMO !!

  146. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 9:02 am

    The phrase “and the son” (filioque in Latin) was first used in the Council of Toledo, Spain in 587, and was acknowledged as early as 447 at Rome by Pope Leo I without the consultation or agreement of the other four patriarchs of the Church at that time, but with the reasonable purpose of its addition in Spain was to counter a heresy that was local to that region.

    The practice spread then to France where it was repudiated at the Gentilly Council in 767.

    Charlemagne called for a local council at Aix-la-Chapelle in 809 at which Pope Leo III intervened (795-816) forbade the use of the Filioque clause and forbade any alteration in the Creed. He ordered the Creed – without Filioque – to be engraved in Latin and Greek on two silver tablets and mounted to the right and the left of the entrance to the crypt of St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome.

    He said that he did this, “for love and defense of the Orthodox faith.” For this, I am grateful to Pope Leo III.

    • The Franks ignored the Pope and continued to use the Filioque.

    • The dispute between East and West grew and became the focus of the Eighth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in A.D. 879-880. This Council reaffirmed the Creed of A.D. 381 and declared any and all additions to the Creed invalid, and nullified the acts of the robber council of 869.

    The Eighth Ecumenical Council was a **reunion council** held at Constantinople in 879-880. This council was originally **accepted and fully endorsed by the papacy in Rome (whose legates were present at the behest of Pope John VIII),** but later repudiated by Rome in the 11th century, retroactively regarding the robber council of 869-870 to be “ecumenical”.

    A Robber Council is a council which the Church has deemed outside the Orthodox faith and praxis. Such councils often included bishops within the Church acting against the Tradition of the faith, frequently deposing saints from their episcopal sees, preaching heresy, and so on.

    The council of 879-880 affirmed the restoration of St. Patriarch Photios the Great to his see and anathematized any who altered the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, thus condemning the Filioque.

    • Still, the Filioque continued to be used by the Latin Franks and even spread to other Germanic tribes, whether pagan or Christian; and as part of their territorial expansions made armed campaigns into the baptized Eastern Roman auxilliary commonwealth of Slavic Christian tribal-states under the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the Roman Emperor, forcing the bishops and petty kings to accept the Filioque in the Creed as well as Frankish rule, the Papacy, and Latinization of the Greek and Slavonic rite churches missionized by Sts. Kyril and Methodios and others under St. Photios.

    Eventually, even Rome itself began to use the Filioque – at the coronation of Henry II in 1014 as Emperor by Pope Benedict VIII (1012-1024), due to his dependence on the Frankish Empire for military protection. In time, belief in the Filioque became dogma in Roman Catholicism by the Council of Lyon 1274, 400 years after the Eighth Ecumenical Council.

    An interesting external attestation to the consideration of this synod to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council, and that the Papacy fully repudiated it and resorted to the robber council that had been declared anathema is the Roman Catholic Church’s Catholic Encyclopedia (1907), which describes the council of 879-880 as the “Pseudosynodus Photiana,” noting that the “Orthodox count [it] as the Eighth General Council.”

  147. jgalindes December 15, 2009 @ 10:24 am

    Dear Norseman,

    I thoroughly agree with you!

  148. Stav December 15, 2009 @ 10:57 am

    Hi Norseman,

    I thoroughly agree, if only some people stopped trying to compare the Church with the “churches”, I would stop my very occasional postings about this.

    As all can see, even with the very very thorough and complete, full of evidence postings of Kath Juliane, some people here still cannot see the error of their ways and consider anything I or anybody else says that contradicts them a “systematic attack”.

    This is not an attack, and even more so definitely NOT a personal attack. This is against misinformation and the implications proposed all the time here. Were it not for a minority Orthodox posting group here we would have been left with a total Roman aspect to everything.

    If you were personally affected by what the Roman “church” have been and still are busy doing you would have not been so quick to say what you say. The fact of the matter is, indoctrination, whether implied or direct, is not coming from our side. As the material here is “here chronologically exposed for anyone to see”, one can easily see that our responses have practically always been just that, responses to already posted Roman “church” ideology.

    Since this is primarily an Orthodox website, I feel no guilt for setting things straight when my conscience tells me to do so. The alternative (of not responding strongly where required) seems a very poor one to me.

    Lastly, you may be surprised, but in my view, being a part of the Real, Original and Holy Church, is at the VERY CORE of the matter of Zionism. As in my view, being part of this True Church is the cornerstone of the eventual and coming victory. This is the path, that Br. Nathanael has followed, the bottom line is if you want to have the full ammo, you need to join the proper army and not the fake second rate militias!

    Stav

  149. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 11:40 am

    Dear Juan,

    It just goes on and on and on, doesn’t it.

    Believe me, it does get so terribly wearisome and burdensome at time I simply have to allow myself to RETREAT in spirit and ‘collapse’ into the constant and comforting stillness and quite the Lord generously provides for me here at the chair and table of my hermitage.

    And times, I go to my private Altar, bend the knee before Him in the Tabernacle and in the Blessed Sacrament - I kiss the Altar relic of St. Louis DeMonfort my Bishop gave me for my Altar after my ordination which is imbedded into the Altar and under the Altar cloth - and I cry.

    I tell the Lord that I’m SORRY for not being able to “win Him a battle” or “gain Him a victory”.

    And then, I get up, shuffle off back to my hermitage table and chair, sit down, make a cup of coffee and attempt to allow these inner trails and burdens to simply “evaporate” quietly away.

    Dear Juan, it was the ‘Unknown Author’ of the Christian Church’s mystical classic “The Cloud of Unknowing” who succinctly states “A man does not know SORROW until he comes to realize THAT he is.”

    The pagan Greek philospher Socrates put it in a very pagan way “The unexamined life is NOT worth living.”

    And it was THE LORD Himself Who said

    “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me; WEEP rather for yourselves and for your children…If men use the green wood like THIS, what will happen when it is dry?” - Luke 23:28-32

    So this morning’s insight/meditation given to me by in my hermitage’s chair by the table was simply ALL OF US are being led to our own personal and communal ‘Crucifixions’.

    And THAT is on account of the CRASS INDIFFERENCE of our entire World to the FACT that God Incarnate came into our World to be our SAVIOR.

    And coupled to THAT is the CRASS INDIFFERENCE on the part of the members within our Church’s Leadership-Hierarchy that the MOTHER of that same Savior came to our World back in 1917 A.D. at Fatima, Portugal with her Heavenly Maternal Advise and Instructions.

    And CRASS INDIFFERENCE is the ‘Universal Spirit’ within every nation-state and upon every rung of our social society.

    And it is this CRASS INDIFFERENCE to Truth in all of its forms - but most especially DIVINE TRUTH - which is the root cause of this ‘Pit’ into which all of us are currently being SUCKED DOWN as if the center of a ‘Black Hole’.

    I can’t help if so many people within and outside of the CHURCH relentlessly perfer to ASSERT their own ‘agendas’ for and with the Church and the nation-states of our World.

    Dear Juan…in closing…’THANKS!’ for the cup of COOL WATER to drink. This “trek” of mine across these commentary sections has very much been like traversing the endless and persistant HOT SAND DUNES where nothing GROWS even if you TRY and TRY and TRY AGAIN attempting to plant good fertile ‘SEEDS OF CONTEMPLATION’.

    I’ll make sure to ask THE LORD to bless you and your loved ones with some hearty and substantial Divine Graces and Abiding Consolations as HIS Gift to you and yours as HIS ‘Christmas Gift’ to you and yours.

    - Fr. Joseph

  150. jgalindes December 15, 2009 @ 11:44 am

    Thanks a lot Stav for replaying, as usual, elliptically to me.

  151. Michael K. December 15, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

    Dear RZN Friends,

    I find the historical scholarship provided by the FREE labor of KathJuliane to help address a pivotal question I asked earlier, in reference to the esteemed professor Kevin MacDonald. Namely how did the Jews get into White Christian society? It appears that we have an answer formulating above:

    “Charlemagne united most of Europe and created a period of relative order under Frankish law during the otherwise tumultuous Middle Ages, and set the foundational joys of feudal serfdom, especially for the vast majority of agricultural Christians, while the pitiful Jews were invited in great numbers to settle in his kingdom in the urban areas in order to get the engines of trade and commerce rolling.”

    This is apropos to the discussion and “on topic”, albeit with a great wealth of historical background information. It all ties in, really.

    What about the question of whether the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate heart has actually happened? Not that I wouldn’t rather drop the whole subject. But, what about the above information? It does seem a little strange that we need to argue about doing something which already has been done, duly noted and recorded for posterity, been effective and proved something true to boot.

    I don’t think it is combative to ask such a fact-based and non-judgmental question. I do think that you get more bees with honey than with vinegar, so perhaps the rhetoric occasionally used here is a ‘waste of ammo’, in strafing each others’ positions (the Jew laughs and keeps counting). In any event, the historical scholarship is quite edifying, and I’m going to put it all in a file for later use.

    We had better look squarely at history, though. That is no waste of time, and its related to the history professor heading up the article. I think we could all benefit from knowing what happened, which led up to: the most deadly century in human history; the adoption of fascism by the Roman and Protestant churches; and the attempt to exterminate the Orthodox Church by both fascist and Communist forces, all ultimately to the benefit of Illuminized Jews and Judeo-Masonic Luciferians.

    In short, even if one doesn’t maintain that the western church was behind all this (and I don’t), we ought to take a good long look at how it happened without the martyrdom of millions of Roman Catholics and Protestants in brave opposition to it.

    Could the mistakes of the Holy Roman Empire (The Second Reich) have set the stage for the emergence of the Third Reich? Almost certainly yes. What were those mistakes? The validation by the supposedly pious that ‘might makes right’, perhaps? Lawlessness in high places with the blessing of politically compromised churches? The continued reworking of Christian dogma to fit pragmatic political reality, to the point of confusing the simple minded?

    We need to face these things, and not act as though the Christian Church has had no role in inaugurating the reign of the anti-christ. In fact, we are responsible for our sins, and according to some we should even confess those sins to purge ourselves of them. However, if your church is without sin this does not apply to you. And you are permitted inherently to ‘throw stones’ at anyone criticizing your immaculate and perfect church. So apologies in advance to anyone not corporately guilty for the sins of Christiandom, those elusive ‘true Christians’, all 144 of them.

  152. Stav December 15, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

    Hi jgalindes,

    As anyone can see above, you referred (also) to me as “other brothers in Christ”:

    “As a Roman Catholic I’m rather uncomfortable to send the same wishes to all other brothers in Christ, as several here clearly stated on our assumed satanism/heretical doctrine.”

    I assumed you probably would not like to speak to me directly. Regardless, my response was not a reply specifically to you but all who may see my comments to Fr. Joseph’s posts as personal “attacks”. that is not my intention and I have several times mentioned that these are NOT meant to be personal. I do however have SERIOUS issues with the Roman “church” and it’s very numerous disgusting practices and serious doctrinal errors, which have been explained to a great detail here again and again. I also do have a serious problem with,and a set of serious arguments against taking seriously any Apparitions as is the one mentioned by Fr. Joseph and others (But mainly Fr. Joseph).

    For this reason, I will from time to time, show my opposition to the mentions of either subjects for the reasons I already have expressed many times.

    Have a blessed, great and merry Christmas!!!

    I only wish we both(i.e. Orthodox and Roman “Catholics”) had the same view of Who actually was born into this world and by extension Who we are worshiping… Unfortunately there is ample proof that these “two” Christ’s are different, and guess who changed Him from what He said he is to something different… It was not the Orthodox who did.

    Stav

  153. serpentseed December 15, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

    Is it true that Jews are the only race/religion on Earth? I can’t choose to be Black or Chinese but I can choose to be a Jew, or would that be a non-Jew of the Jewish faith? Am I wrong?

    And how can the God of the Israelites be jealous? There must be another being of equal or greater status to have the emotion of jealously, again, am I wrong? Thank you in advance.

  154. poster child December 15, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

    More interviews with Dr. MacDonald would be excellent.

  155. Stav December 15, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    You say:

    “It just goes on and on and on, doesn’t it.”

    It seems to me, that it’s you that goes on an on, rather than anyone else. Even with my more than bimonthly silence, it seems that you have continued to frequently post the same core subject and expect everyone to accept the Fatima apparitions as what you say they are and keep on implying many things about the Roman “church” that not all do agree with here on this site.

    In fact, your gentle appearing comments about how everyone should join a local “church” no matter what denomination it is (Orthodox or Roman “Catholic) etc. etc. is actually making me and many other Orthodox cringe violently! But of course, to the unknowing bystander, your suggestions may sound very honorable indeed.

    At the same time, what is not said, unless mentioned by a fellow Orthodox, is that, your approach is deeply insulting to us at least for reasons that have been mentioned multiple times already.

    You say:

    “… it does get so terribly wearisome and burdensome at time …”

    Yes, in fact it has become burdensome to have to respond and mention the same things to you again and again, but I do not do this for you nor “to you”, you have had more than your “once and twice” admonishment worth, this is for the unsuspecting occasional reader of this site who may encounter one of your posts. So again for the n-th time, don’t take it personally, I will attempt to destroy your nice looking “picture” from time to time, to balance out the destruction caused.

    At least, accept the fact, that some of us view this whole situation exactly like that and will NEVER share these particular ideas you present here continuously that I mentioned. It is NOT personal, I simply think you are WRONG and so by propagating wrong thoughts therefore damage is caused which I wish to somehow at least try and slow down.
    You say:

    “I tell the Lord that I’m SORRY for not being able to “win Him a battle” or “gain Him a victory”.”

    If you mean by victory you mean win people over to the Roman “church”, or even get them to think that somehow the Roman “church and the Orthodox Churches are somehow interchangable and equal, I would think, DON’T expect any grants of “victories” from the Lord.

    While of course I cannot and will not say what God will or will not do as it is far and beyond NOT my place to do so, this is what I am guessing will happen. The reason you ask? The reason is, that the Roman “church” has lost its Grace a long time ago and is most certainly NOT interchangeable NOR equal to the Orthodox Church as you keep implying.

    I could go on commenting, but it’s not my place to do so. I merely wanted to make clear what my view is on some of your assumptions. It is sad again to see no response and more importantly no argument to mine or perhaps even more importantly KathJuliane’s posts…

    Her info is just too good, too detailed and too important to be ignored, but it seems that as usual, this is what is done by “Catholics” as they like to call themselves. Instead, mentions of “tiredness” “burdensomeness” etc. is brought up in order to elicit some kind of emotional response rather than objective and constructive criticism.

    Stav

  156. massi December 15, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

    Norseman-AGREED and as I posted elsewhere; those who have such an affection for this distractive in-fighting REALLY should

    #1.Get a Blog of their own at wordpress.com (it’s FREE)

    #2.If they must react, simply refer us to their blog.(and I’m sure that many will accept the invitation)

    #3 When they come to Bro’ Nates House A.-Stay within the framework of the site,i.e.”Realzionistnews” and B.-Stay within the reference of the subject of the post that they are commenting on.

    I might add, that if this advice were followed, many interesting personal blogs(at wordpress) would be born, and they could all “link” Back here (and elsewhere) thereby expanding Bro Nate’s work and ministry, and doing there part to spread the word. If Kath Juliane had a blog I’d go there all the time, but many pages of Church History is not what folks came here for.

    The same with others. If someone wants to address an issue outside the subject they can just put a short invitation here (such as see my response at Orhtodox.wordpress.com) and save the multitudes the agony of wading through material that is of no interest.

    On the flip side, you will find that those who have an interest in what you are writing will go to your blog and participate. It’s a win win. DO IT! “and that’s all I’m gonna say about that”

  157. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 1:00 pm

    Dear Norseman,

    No, I haven’t forgotten Br. Nathanael’s website is dedicated to the destruction of the NWO and the Jews behind it. How many times I have posted the statement/declaration by U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacAruthur:

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIIGOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either GOD or atheism.”

    I really and truly do TRY to share the information I’ve researched and gathered for these past 20 years here on RZN - just like what Br. Nathanael does with HIS informative RZN researched articles - but what ‘TRUMPS’ every last blasted thing I try to SHARE with everyone else here on RZN is this relentlessly BLASTED ‘nyah-nyah-nyah-we-are-Orthodox-and-you-are-not’ USELESS argumentation.

    EVERYONE out there in RZN internet cyberspace need only get Fr. Malachi Martin’s SINGLE BOOK entitled “The Keys Of This Blood” in order to get EVERYTHING they really need to know about the N.W.O. and the Fatima Messsage-Instruction.

    But if people WANT to ‘pick-a-fight’ when I so much desire PEACE and COOPERATION, that is one sure way to ‘Push MY Button’!

    We are fighting for OUR GOD and His Holy Will being DONE here on this Earth of His Creating and for what His Only Eternally Begotten Son JESUS, the Christ, WANTS DONE here on earth.

    And JESUS WANTS the nation of RUSSIA consecrated to HIS OWN MOTHER’S Immaculately Loving Heart. Period!

    - Fr. Joseph

  158. serpentseed December 15, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

    Deuteronomy 11:13 God said: If you shall obey my commandments - I command you this day to love your God and serve Him with all your heart and soul.

    Is your “love” something you can be commanded / demanded to give? What if you do not and can not love what you are tyrannically commanded to love? Do you think you should suffer Eternal Torment for it?

    And why does God create evil?

    Isaiah 45:7 I, the Lord, make peace and create evil.

  159. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

    Michael K.

    My “answer” to that Wikipedia entry is SO TERRIBLY SIMPLE, it just might wind up BOGGLING your very own mind!

    Imagine yourself on a JURY charged with coming up with a VERDICT. At stake is the very Life of All Mankind on planet earth.

    In YOUR hands rest YOUR personal verdict that YOU must give - and the fate of 6 billion human souls hangs in the balance. And the RESPONSIBILTY rests SQUARELY upon YOU as you are the DECIDING ‘VOTE’ on this Jury Panel.

    YOUR Jurist’s vote will either ACQUITE all of Mankind OR your Jurist’s vote will CONDEMN TO DEATH all of Mankind.

    So you have these ‘witnesses’ who have given THEIR testimony ‘under Oath’. Some witnessess say the Collegial Consecration was DONE because of HEARSAY evidence.

    Other witnesses say the Collegial Consecration was NOT DONE because of their FIRST HAND evidence.

    Now what are YOU going to do? Are you going to place the testimony of witnesses with their HEARSAY evidence - OR - are you going to cast your Jurist’s vote based on and EYE-WITNESS testimony?

    The EYE-WITNESS testimony that REFUTES the hearsay testimony of others is:

    “1983 - Sister Lucy, ON MARCY 19…SHE ANSWERED CLEARLY…

    “The Consecration of Russia HAS NOT BEEN DONE as Our Lady requested.” - quoting from IN-THE-PUBLIC-DOMAIN reference page:

    http://www.fatima.org/weop/e6cp10.asp

    So WHO are you going to believe? The actual EYE-WITNESS to the Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary who ACTUALLY SPOKE TO the Mother of God herself - OR - lying SATANIC-MASONS dressed up to look like Prelates in the Catholic Church’s Hierarchy there holed up in the Vatican?

    Now remember - THE LIFE OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE is now “hanging in the balance” with YOUR OWN Jurist’s vote!

    Do you VOTE FOR the assertion by Satanic Masons holed up in the Vatican dressed as Catholic Prelates that the Collegial Consecration of Russia HAS BEEN DONE per the Mother of God’s personal Request and Instruction…

    OR

    Do you VOTE AGAINST the assertion by Satanic Masons holed up in the Vatican dressed as Catholic Prelates that the Collegial Consecration of Russia HAS BEEN DONE per the Mother of God’s personal Request and Instruction?

    It is a MOST FUNDAMENTAL principle of CATHOLIC PHILOSOPHY…

    “Something CANNOT ‘Be’ and ‘Not Be’ at THE SAME TIME!”

    ALL OF MANKIND is now waiting for YOUR Jurist’s vote.

    Do YOU sentence ALL OF MANKIND to Satanic Death by NWO-Third World War-Eugencis etc.

    OR

    Do YOU grant ALL OF MANKIND “MERCY” from a Satanic Death by NWO-Third World War-Eugenics, etc.

    I place that ‘POWER’ over the Fate of Mankind now SQUARELY in your hands - and the rest of us will AWAIT how you cast your Jurist’s vote…

    - Fr. Joseph

  160. Stav December 15, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    Two things:

    1st

    You say:

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIIGOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either GOD or atheism.”

    If this is the case, I have not seen much theology from your side. In fact, every time it is mentioned to you, all you seem to get from it is: ‘nyah-nyah-nyah-we-are-Orthodox-and-you-are-not’ as you put it.

    No. That is NOT what I am saying if you take the time to read my words. Some of these words are not even words :). Please read my posts more carefully next time ;)

    2nd

    You say:

    “…thing I try to SHARE with everyone else here on RZN is this relentlessly BLASTED ‘nyah-nyah-nyah-we-are-Orthodox-and-you-are-not’ USELESS argumentation.”

    Actually, I never user these exact words. Not even near. What you mention above, is not even an argument. Is what you wish I had said. AND IT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE BEAUTIFULLY COMPOSED AND DETAILED POSTS OF KathJuliane, to which you no longer respond anymore.

    Nor is your latest statement:

    “And JESUS WANTS the nation of RUSSIA consecrated to HIS OWN MOTHER’S Immaculately Loving Heart. Period!”

    An argument, nor theological.

    What I did say many times was:

    1) You are wrong to put Orthodox in the same basket as “Catholics” because of reason a,b,c,d etc. etc. (see all other related posts my others and me). It is insulting, we do NOT belong in your basket, nor is it right.

    2) We do not accept your “apparition” as divine, quite the opposite, please do not insult us (and especially my fellow Orthodox Russians) in multiple ways by presenting it to us continuously.

    Stav

  161. MaryC December 15, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

    Thanks Norseman, my thoughts entirely. Why does every thread degenerate into a food fight between Orthodox and Catholic?

    Stav: “Since this is primarily an Orthodox site….”

    er, I thought it was primarily a site dedicated to exposing the bane of Judaism and Zionism run by someone who just happens to be an Orthodox Christian. Mark Glenn, a Catholic, hosts a similar site but I don’t consider “The Ugly Truth” to be a ‘Catholic’ site.

    Upon scrolling through some of these posts I fail to see any connection with the topic in hand; the creation by Jewry of White guilt.

  162. kc December 15, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

    “run by someone who just happens to be an Orthodox Christian.”

    I am sorry but it doesn’t ‘just happen’..

    Everything has a meaning and consequences..Brother Nathaniel’s drive is related to his faith very strongly as he explains in many articles.

    It’s OK for Fr. Joseph to make allegations I find (quite) insulting and not true, but its not ok for me and others who are Orthodox to defend?

    This is a place of discussion in the first place.

    I appreciate KathJuliane’s detailed input that is very informative and easy to read.

  163. Lynda December 15, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

    Michael K

    We do not have a definitive answer to Dr MacDonald’s question: “how did the Jews get into White Christian society?”

    Charlemagne did not invite the pitiful Jews to settle his kingdom in great numbers, to set up banking and engines of trade (to summarize your quotation from KathJuliane).

    This is a typical example of how historical facts of matter are typically falsified on this messageboard in order to serve the agenda of antiCatholic bigotry.

    The following historical facts of matter can be verified by anyone in 5 minutes if they wish to do so.

    The Jews have been settled in Western Europe since Classical times - most notably the Midhi in Southern France. St Iranaeus addresses them specifically in Against Hereseis. Their capital is Narbonne.

    527 A.D. Justinian becomes Roman Emperor in the East and decides to reconquer Italy (sacked by the Huns 452, the Vandals 455 and Ococer of the Roman army 476). The W Roman Empire is (to put it bluntly) in chaos. Also 527 A.D. Justinian enforces the anti-Jewish laws and the Jews migraate.
    (Guess Where?)

    536 A.D. Justinian’s general Belisarius conquers the Ostrogoths in Italy and in 537 enters Rome in arms to depose the pope. This would be pope Silverius who opposed the Monophysite Patriarch of Constantinople, Anthimus.

    One would hope it might be recalled that the Monophysite heresy was condemned by Chalcedon (451 A.D.) But that be no obstacle to the imperial power that must have a Monophysite patriarchate in the West.

    General Belisarius then installs Vigilius (who holds to the Monophysite heresy acceptable to Constaninople) as pope.

    The true pope, saint and martyr Siverius is then taken as prisoner to Constantinople. So much for Chalcedon’s declaration of the Petrine Office as “custodian of the Vine”.

    To return to Charlemagne, the Jews of Babylon were the mint of the Omyyad Dynasty which was behind the Moorish conquest of the West. They came West with conquest of the Iberian peninsula.

    After reconquista, the Jews remained together with those who had migrated out of the East at the time of Justinian, together with those who had been in the Midhi since the time of Iraneaus. Charlemagne attempted to be politic and utilize their skills.

    Big mistake. Ferdinand and Isabella thought so too. When Reconquista was finally won in the West - the Spanish Monarchs offerred them the choice of conversion or exile. And that is when the problems in the Western Church really began with the Marannos.

  164. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

    Stav,

    The MOTHER OF GOD appears to you of the ORTHODOX Faith - and all of you have ‘NO PROBLEM’ with that! Sheeshh. Back in 1917 A.D. there were NO VIDEO CAMERAS to capture her Apparition in Zeitun, Egypt!

    http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmary2.htm

    Apparitions FOR the Orthodox Church are given the resounding ‘Thumbs Up!’, but Apparitions FOR the Catholic Church are given the resounding ‘Thumbs Down!’.

    Why don’t you ORTHODOX just simply come out and ADMIT IT - Catholics are on an EVEN LOWER RUNG that the Talmudic-Kabbalahist JEWS to all of you Orthodox!

    Okay - YOU don’t want to hear any of it with your haughty Orthodox “damn the Catholics and their Catholic Church” - but there just may be an honest, sincere soul out there with GOOD WILL to all of Mankind who might EXAMINE THE FACTS with an unjaundiced Orthodox eye:

    Heaven’s Key To Peace
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awznwJidvPc

    “The Devil’s FINAL Battle”

    “A GREAT CRIME has been committed against the Catholic Church and THE WORLD at large. The perpetrators of this CRIME are men who hold HIGH OFFICES in the Catholic hierarchy; their names will be introduced in the course of this presentation. et al”

    http://www.devilsfinalbattle.com/intro.htm

    “The WORK OF THE DEVIL will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…The thought of THE LOSS OF SO MANY SOULS is the cause of my sadness.” - The MOTHER OF GOD herself - the MOST HOLY THEOTOKOS as she is known to all of you ORTHODOX out there in RZN Internet Video Land - as Our Lady of Akita, Japan:

    http://www.theworkofgod.org/aparitns/Akita.htm

    Oh, so the MOTHER OF GOD, the MOST HOLY THEOTOKOS (to you ORTHODOX out there), doesn’t know what she is talking about, doesn’t know what SHE IS DOING in and wiht her own Apparitions to BOTH the Catholic and Orthodox Church?

    “Satanism Practiced in the Vatican”
    http://www.devilfinalbattle.com/intro.htm

    So while the ENTIRE WORLD winds up ‘Going TO HELL in a handbasket’ - let all of the ORTHODOX here just keep on SNEERING AT the Catholic Church, the Bishop of Rome, the Marian Apparitions to the Catholic Church to include those of Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. as the ORTHODOX here go on and on and on with their reams of ENCYCLOPEDIC CITATIONS which have NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER with the CURRENT PLIGHT of our World, the entire Human Race as well as Christ Jesus’ OWN CHURCH here on earth!

    Some ORTHODOX monk from Mount Athos is going ‘To Save The Human Race’ while the MOTHER OF GOD as Our Lady of Fatima herself said

    “ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!”

    What does the Mother of God know? Right? The ORTHODOX here have ‘All The Answers To All of the World’s Satanic Induced Problems’ besetting ALL of Mankind!

    Well, the ORTHODOX here had BETTER get on with THEIR ‘Pulling A Rabbit Out Of Their Orthodox Hats’!

    - Fr. Joseph

  165. russ December 15, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

    Dear Massi,
    I hope your not wasting your breath, these tangents just go on and on and on and on.

    You bring up excellent remedies to clean up this site, does anyone else agree? - lets have some input!

    [BN, sorry for that Dec 14 post - it was kind of crude]

  166. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

    Now BACK to this business of ‘THE JEWS’.

    In medevial Christian Europe, they were often considered ‘Black Magicians’ ON ACCOUNT OF their contacting and manipulating SPIRITS via THE ZOHAR of their Talmudic KABBALAH!

    Now THINK! For cryin’ out loud.

    Just WHO has the Spiritual Authority TO CAST OUT DEMONS?

    And by WHOSE POWER do they have the Spiritual Authority to CAST OUT DEMONS?

    And WHO GAVE them the Spiritual Power and Authority to CAST OUT DEMONS?

    And WHO GAVE BIRTH to the One Who has the Spiritual Power to CAST OUT DEMONS and Who ENTRUSTED that Spiritual Authority to them?

    WHO GAVE BIRTH TO…..JESUS CHRIST…GOD INCARNATE….THE LOGOS…THE WORD MADE FLESH?

    When, OH PLEASE, do tell me WHEN is His Church here on earth GOING TO publicly and solemnly HONOR the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17?

    WHEN?

    Nah..can’t do that. Let’s go on and on and on about FILIOQUE and ‘Who Is The King Tuna’ between the Western Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire.

    EGADS!

    “My People PERISH for want of knowledge!”
    - Hosea 4:6

    The ORTHODOX here, oh Lord, simply…DON’T WANT TO KNOW! DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF IT!

    - Fr. Joseph

  167. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=373&letter=C

    “…King of the Franks and emperor of the West; born April, 742; died Jan. 28, 814. His attitude toward the Jews was rather that of a clever politician than of a liberal-minded man.

    “He realized the advantages to be derived by the country from the business abilities of the Jews, and gave them complete freedom with regard to their commercial transactions. Some Jews seem to have occupied prominent places at his court.

    “Thus, Charlemagne had for his physician one named Ferragut. A Hebrew named Isaac was a member of an embassy sent by Charlemagne to Harun al-Rashid, probably in the capacity of dragoman.

    “But if the Jews were free in their commercial dealings, their political status generally remained almost the same under Charlemagne as under his predecessors.

    “This is seen in his capitularies, some of which deal directly with the Jews. In bringing a charge against a Christian, the Jew was to have four, nine, or seven witnesses, while the Christian was held only to three. [Perhaps because they were chronic pernicious liars. Usually laws are made in response to existing civil problems.]

    “No Jew was to engage a Christian workman on a Sunday, [because there had been a major problem] nor was he to take in pledge, at the risk of the loss of his property and his right hand, anything that was the property of the Church [because there was an existing big problem]. No Jew was allowed to force a Christian to go to prison as pledge for a Jew.

    http://www.initaly.com/regions/ethnic/jewish.htm

    “For example, Charlemagne defended the civil and commercial right for Jews, which gave them relative tranquillity for about two centuries.

    “In the south, the Ottoman [sic] Empire also let the Jews live peacefully as well. In fact many great schools for Jewish studies opened in Bari and Otranto. After 1000 CE, conditions became more uncertain for the Jews because the feudal system and artisan guilds began to be put into place.

    “Jews were barred from all guilds and were only allowed two positions, that of money lending and the selling of used clothing. It is notable that they were allowed to be moneylenders.

    “At the time the church had forbidden all Christians from money lending and this would not be repealed until the fifteenth century with the passing of Monte Di Pietà.

    “However, the position of money lending helped Jews to survive and eventually even to own property. Many feudal lords were kind to their moneylenders and kept them from harm’s way.”

  168. enya December 15, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

    N.A.S.A.s’project Blue Beam will be used to make holographs of Jesus, Mohammed and other religious leaders into the sky.

    A commandment of God - Thou shalt not make unto thyself any graven image or likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is on the earth below, or that is in the water underneath the earth, thou shalt not bow thyself to them, nor serve them, for I The Lord, your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the 3rd and 4th generation of them that hate Me.”

  169. Michael K. December 15, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    It seems that the evidence you supplied does indeed outweigh the evidence cited by the questionable wikipedia. Still, there is the issue of whether the consecration may have been at least partly effectual if it was somehow linked to the fall of Soviet Communism, although this is not knowable by any conventional means.

    The next question I have is whether this consecration is a duty of the Latin Church alone, as it appears from the context to be. Taking this as an assumption, it appears to be some kind of peace offering to the Russians, and a humbling reminder that the West needs to be the one to offer the olive branch, as it is well established that we offered the first cut by supporting the Bolsheviks from centers of western financial power.

    If it is understood in this manner it should not theoretically be seen as something nasty by the Orthodox, and I don’t think that they would be compelled to do anything but take notice. If, as it seems, this is an internal issue for the Roman Church, it would probably be wisest to go about it without any undue antagonism of Orthodox Christians, whom it seems the whole purpose is to reach out in love to, not try to automagically turn them all into Roman Catholics through some ritual.

    I hope this squares with your notions of the true purpose of the whole consecration, and that Roman Bishops do take notice and do so.

    Peace in Christ.

  170. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_France

    “…documents indicating the presence of Jews in France before the fourth century are as yet unknown. Hilary of Poitiers (died 366) is praised for having fled from the Jewish society.

    “A decree of the emperors Theodosius II and Valentinian III, addressed to Amatius, prefect of Gaul (July 9, 425), prohibited Jews and pagans from practising law and from holding public offices (”militandi”), in order that Christians should not be in subjection to them, and thus be incited to change their faith.

    “At the funeral of Hilary, Bishop of Arles, in 449, Jews and Christians mingled in crowds and wept, while the former sang psalms in Hebrew.

    “From the year 465 the Church took official cognizance of the Jews. Jews were found in Marseille in the sixth century, at Arles, at Uzès, at Narbonne, at Clermont-Ferrand, at Orleans, at Paris, and at Bordeaux.

    “These places were generally centers of Roman administration, located on the great commercial routes, and there the Jews possessed synagogues.

    “In harmony with the Theodosian code, and according to an edict addressed in 331 to the decurions of Cologne by the emperor Constantine, the internal organization of the Jews seems to have been the same as in the Roman empire. They appear to have had priests (rabbis or ḥazzanim), archisynagogues, patersynagogues, and other synagogue officials.

    “The Jews were principally merchants and slave-dealers; they were also tax-collectors, sailors, and physicians.

    “They probably remained under the Roman law until the triumph of Christianity, with the status established by Caracalla, on a footing of equality with their fellow citizens. The emperor Constantius (321) compelled them to share in the curia, a heavy burden imposed on citizens of townships.

    “There is nothing to show that their association with their fellow citizens was not of an amicable nature, even after the establishment of Christianity in Gaul.

    “It is known that the Christian clergy participated in their feasts; intermarriage between Jews and Christians sometimes occurred; the Jews made proselytes, **and their religious customs were so freely adopted that at the third Council of Orléans (539) it was found necessary to warn the faithful against Jewish “superstitions”, and to order them to abstain from traveling on Sunday and from adorning their persons or dwellings on that day.**

    “In 629 King Dagobert proposed to drive from his domains all Jews who would not accept Christianity, from his reign to that of Pepin the Short no further mention of the Jews is found.

    [This period would correspond to the cold-blooded slaughter of at least 30,000 mostly women and children in the dry Pool of Mamila by Palestinian Jews and Babylonian Jewish cohorts of the Persian Army after they had bought the captives as slaves from the Persians after the seige of Jerusalem. Over 90,000 martyrs for Christ were buried by pilgrims who witnessed it all. For three years the Jews vented their spleen on the churches and monasteries of Palestine, razing them to the ground. When they approached the Basilica of the Nativity, the Persians saw the mosaics of the sacred Magi on the front, and immediately stopped the Jews from destroying it.]

    “But in the south of France, which was then known as “Septimania” and was a dependency of the Visigothic kings of Spain, the Jews continued to dwell and to prosper. From this epoch (689) dates the earliest known Jewish inscription relating to France, that of Narbonne. The Jews of Narbonne, chiefly merchants, were popular among the people, who often rebelled against the Visigothic kings.”

    It is certain that the Jews were numerous in France under Charlemagne, their position being regulated by law. Exchanges with the Orient strongly declined with the advent of the Saracen in the Mediterranean sea (Southern Italy), while oriental products such as gold, silk, black pepper or papyrus almost disappeared under the Carolingians. The only real link between the Orient and Occident was insured by the Radhanites Jewish traders.

    “A formula for the Jewish oath was fixed by Charlemagne. They were allowed to enter into lawsuits with Christians, and in their relations with the latter were restrained only from making them work on Sunday. They were not allowed to trade in currency, wine, or grain.

    ” **Of more importance is the fact that they were tried by the emperor himself, to whom they belonged.

    ” **They engaged in export trade, an instance of this being found in the Jew whom Charlemagne employed to go to Palestine and bring back precious merchandise. Furthermore, when the Normans disembarked on the coast of Narbonnese Gaul they were taken for Jewish merchants.

    They boast, says one authority, of buying whatever they please from bishops and abbots.

    “Isaac the Jew, who was sent by Charlemagne in 797 with two ambassadors to Harun al-Rashid, the fifth Abbasid Caliph, was probably one of these merchants.

    “It is a curious fact that among the numerous provincial councils which met during Charlemagne’s reign not one concerned itself with the Jews, although these had increased in number.

    “In the same spirit as in the above-mentioned legends he is represented as asking the Baghdad calif for a rabbi to instruct the Jews whom he had allowed to settle at Narbonne (see History of the Jews in Babylonia).

    “Louis le Débonnaire (814–833), faithful to the principles of his father, granted strict protection to the Jews, to whom he gave special attention in their position as merchants.”

  171. The Prodigal Son December 15, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

    Norseman,

    You said, “People, we are in a forum founded by a monk named Brother Nathanael, dedicated to exposing the New World Order and the Jews behind. DO YOU REMEMBER??”

    Everything here is quite on topic. There is ample indication that the vatican is a part of the ‘NWO’.

    Please read Br. Nathanael’s article here on RZN about the pope ENDORSING the seven Noahide laws in NYC. Do you think THE POPE doesn’t know that these laws for NON-’JEWS’ ONLY have their origin in the Babylonian TALMUD ?

    Listen, Br. Nathanael is moderating the comments already, and he’s quite capable of deciding which comments are relevant to the ongoing pursuit of world domination by organized ‘Jewry’.

    No one here is ‘fighting’… adults can tell the difference between a ‘fight’ and a conversational debate.

    I was born into a Roman Catholic family… but I have no loyalty to the pope !

    If I made it out of there, so can every ‘catholic’ ! You all trust Br. Nathanael - why not follow his silent leadership ?

    My loyalty is to Christ ! If the pope said the same things that Christ said, that might be a different story, but he doesn’t… and Noahide laws ?

    Noahide laws (which are recognized by law to be the foundational basis for ALL LAWS in the U.S.) according to the Talmud call for capital punishment by decapitation for the practice of ‘idolatry’…

    So what is idolatry ? Well according to the SAME Talmud, all Christians who affirm the DEITY of Jesus Christ are idolaters !

    According to the Noahide laws - Iam an idolater, and so are you ! Punishable by beheading !

    But the pope has AFFIRMED the Noahide Laws PUBLICLY !

    Rothschilds RUN the vatican ! Stop trying to silence our truthful Orthodox voice !

    — — —

    KathJuliane,

    Thank you again for all your hard work here… rest assured - you ARE appreciated !

    Amazing information about Charlemagne !

    As I read, hearing about how he had stamped out all Greek texts and substituted the latin…

    I realized that by doing so - he was basically replacing everyones Septuagint based Bibles with all Masoretic/vulgate based Bibles.

    And I’m thinking to myself… this can’t be a coincidence ! I’m thinking… ‘there have to be some ‘Jews’ (Pharisees) involved here somewhere !

    The ‘Jews’ want Christians to use their altered Masoretic texts… and therby to alter Christianity itself. The Septuagint is the unaltered Word of God which was used by all of the early Christians. Why would anybody want to use altered Pharisaic/’Jewish’ texts ?

    Then - sure enough :

    “(…) Charlemagne united most of Europe and created a period of relative order under Frankish law during the otherwise tumultuous Middle Ages, and set the foundational joys of feudal serfdom, especially for the vast majority of agricultural Christians, while the pitiful Jews were invited in great numbers to settle in his kingdom in the urban areas in order to get the engines of trade and commerce rolling.”

    ‘The pitiful Jews’ indeed !

  172. suzanne December 15, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

    God bless Moldova.

    Please read and watch. Orthodox believers take down jewish Menorrah and erect a Holy Cross instead.

    I love these peoples zeal and devotion.

    Why won’t Americans and other Westerners rise up? I love you Moldova!

    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/mel-gibstein/2009/december/14/god-bless-moldova

  173. The Prodigal Son December 15, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

    Michael K. wrote:

    “Dear Fr. Joseph,

    It seems that the evidence you supplied does indeed outweigh the evidence cited by the questionable wikipedia.”

    Wait… don’t give up so easy ! I admire your kindness, but to bring truth into the light is an even GREATER kindness to the hundreds of thousand who read these words in their search for truth, as I do.

    I too argued that the consecration of Russia specifically had already been performed, but I never got a direct refutational response.

    You got that response, now I’m going to run with it if you won’t…

    Now here is Fr. Joseph’s response to you… pay close attention to the dates:

    “1983 - Sister Lucy, ON MARCH 19…SHE ANSWERED CLEARLY…

    ‘The Consecration of Russia HAS NOT BEEN DONE as Our Lady requested.” - quoting from IN-THE-PUBLIC-DOMAIN reference page: (…)”

    Now - your post addressed to him asserts that :

    “On March 25, 1984, the feast of the Annunciation, Pope John Paul II consecrated Russia in a public ceremony. Lúcia Santos, one of the seers of the Fátima apparitions, said that the consecration requested by the Virgin Mary was fulfilled and accepted in heaven, and that everyone should live out the consecration personally by faithfully wearing the Brown Scapular.”

    “The entrance to the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Fatima, to the south of the rectory, is a segment of the Berlin Wall intended to emphasize the belief that the Rosary prayers influenced the fall of the Berlin Wall related to the Consecration of Russia based on the Our Lady of Fátima messages.”

    Does Fr. Joseph have any quotes from AFTER 1984 - when the consecratin took place ?

    Has he personally seen the “entrance to the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Fatima” ?

    Why is that piece of the Berlin wall there ?

  174. KathJuliane December 15, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

    Soros backed and regular participant think-tank – Center for Strategic and International Studies

    Zbignew Brezinski is on the Board of Trustees of CSIS

    Question: Does not a Cardinal carry diplomatic status for the Vatican State and come under the Secretary of State of His Holiness the Pope? And isn’t this distinctly political, de facto if not de jure, acting as an agent on behalf of the Vatican, rather than “faith, morals, and ecumenism”?

    Come to your own conclusions.

    “Since 1962, CSIS has grown to become one of the world’s preeminent international policy institutions, with more than 220 full-time staff and a large network of affiliated scholars focused on defense and security, regional stability, and transnational challenges ranging from energy and climate to global development and economic integration.”

    http://csis.org/expert/cardinal-theodore-e-mccarrick

    On the inner circle of Expert Counselors:

    Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, archbishop emeritus of Washington, was named a CSIS counselor in March 2007.

    Cardinal McCarrick was born in New York City in 1930. He was ordained to the priesthood by Cardinal Francis Spellman in 1958 and earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. His first assignment was at Catholic University, where he served as assistant chaplain, dean of students, and director of development.

    In 1965, he was named president of the Catholic University of Puerto Rico in Ponce. In 1969, he returned to New York to serve first as associate secretary for education and then as Cardinal Terence Cooke’s secretary.
    […]

    Cardinal McCarrick is past chair of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Committees on Domestic Policy, International Policy, Migration, and Aid to the Church in Central and Eastern Europe.

    He has also served on the Administrative, Doctrine, Laity, Latin America, and Missions Committees. He has been chancellor of the Catholic University of America and chairman of the board of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.

    He serves on the board of Catholic Relief Services.

    For the Vatican, he serves on the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant Peoples, and Pontifical Commission for Latin America.

    He is a founding member of the Papal Foundation and has served as its president since 1997. Cardinal McCarrick has visited many nations as a human rights advocate, and in 1996, then-Archbishop McCarrick was invited to serve on the Secretary of State’s Advisory Committee on Religious Freedom Abroad

    [Clinton Administration – Madeline Albright as SOS. Same Brezinski folks that brought you the Yugoslav Balkan Wars and Clinton’s bombing of Serbia. Same folks that sanctioned Saddam’s Iraq and perhaps a million innocent men, women, and children perished as “collateral damage”. Same ol’ “shock doctrine” that hit Russia, South America, Mexico, etc.].

    In 1998, he was one of three American clerics invited to China to discuss religious freedoms in that country. From 1999 to 2001, he was a member of the U.S. Commission for International Religious Freedom. In 2000, he was honored by the presidents of Lebanon and the United States for his work on human rights, just two of many honors he has received.

    In April 2005, Cardinal McCarrick was one of 115 cardinals who participated in the conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI as the successor to Pope John Paul II.”

    http://csis.org/about-us/board-trustees (Just a few token names of the big boys on the chessboard the Cardinal hobknobs with and lends his expertise to)

    Chairman of the Board of Trustees
    Sam Nunn — Cochairman & CEO, Nuclear Threat Initiative

    Vice Chairman & Co-Founder
    David M. Abshire — President & CEO, Center for the Study of the Presidency and Congress

    Chairman of the Executive Committee
    William A. Schreyer — Chairman Emeritus, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
    President & CEO
    John J. Hamre– President & CEO, CSIS

    Trustees
    Richard Armitage — President, Armitage International
    James A. Bell — Corporate President and CFO, The Boeing Company
    Reginald K. Brack — Chairman Emeritus, Time, Incorporated
    William E. Brock — Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
    Harold Brown — Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
    Zbigniew Brzezinski — Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
    William S. Cohen — Chairman & CEO, The Cohen Group
    Ralph Cossa — President, Pacific Forum/CSIS
    Richard Fairbanks — Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
    Henrietta H. Fore — Former Administrator of the USAID

  175. katman December 15, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

    Martin Luther at the Diet of Worms

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5P7QkHCfaI

    Thank God that this little man rebelled against the dragon. This is a much better world for it.

    I stand on the Word of God. If you can show me my faults based upon Scriptures then I will agree with you, but if not, then get out of my face, with the traditions of men……

    Or about a little over a thousand years earlier….Basil broke it down for those who were trying to bother him with the traditions of men…….show me the Scripture…..

    St. Basil the Great (c.329-379):

    They are charging me with innovation, and base their charge on my confession of three hypostases [persons], and blame me for asserting one Goodness, one Power, one Godhead. In this they are not wide of the truth, for I do so assert. Their complaint is that their custom does not accept this, and that Scripture does not agree. What is my reply?

    I do not consider it fair that the custom which obtains among them should be regarded as a law and rule of orthodoxy. If custom is to be taken in proof of what is right, then it is certainly competent for me to put forward on my side the custom which obtains here. If they reject this, we are clearly not bound to follow them. Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.

    (Letter 189 [to Eustathius the physician], 3, in The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series, Vol. VIII, p. 229.)

    St. Basil the Great:

    What is the mark of a faithful soul? To be in these dispositions of full acceptance on the authority of the words of Scripture, not venturing to reject anything nor making additions. For, if “all that is not of faith is sin” as the Apostle says, and “faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God,” everything outside Holy Scripture, not being of faith, is sin.

    (The Morals, in The Fathers of the Church, Vol. 9, p. 204.)

    St. Basil the Great:

    We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of the Scripture.

    (On the Holy Spirit, 7:16.)

    http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutherantheology.solascriptura.html

    There was a scarlet thread of redemption that ran from Adam to Jesus Christ throught the lineage of Jesus Christ….. this thread continued after His death on the Cross. It ran through certain men on this earth who were spiritually awake and who were walking in the spirit of God in their lives. They were a gift to men. This scarlet thread of redemption continues to this day.

    Some may say, what does this have to do with what we are facing. It has everything to do with it. For you see, we do not fight flesh and blood only but evil spirits in high places and until the pagans understand this, and beieve me there are many in the patriot movement, then they shall surely lose.

    The founding fathers knew this. Many of them prayed daily for the success of the revolution. God was in it from the start. You know why? God loves freedom and liberty. He wants men to be able to be free to choose. He is not the only one.

    For too long, in Europe, and England, religious freedom was only a pipe dream. Like I have said before, we will never go back.

  176. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

    Dear Michael K.

    Let me attempt for ONE MORE TIME to place the Heaven Sent INSTRUCTION given by the Mother of God as Our Lady of Fatima Portugal for a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of the BISHOPS of the Catholic Church in “historical context” - as in a COMPREHENSIVE LINEAR ‘Word-Picture’.

    Once again, the Catholic-Orthodox Schism occured way back in 1054. GOD HIMSELF expressed His Divine DISpleaure with that human-driven historical event by allowing a SUPER-NOVA off which we all can look up to see its results known as ‘The Crab Nebula’.

    When THAT super-nova in God’s Heaven’s went off, it lit up the daylight sky of the entire planet earth for 26 days.

    Now was there ANY request on the part of Heaven or the Mother of God for a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of the nation of RUSSIA back in 1054 A.D.? No. In 1117 A.D.? No. In 1217 A.D.? No. In 1317 A.D.? No. In 1417 A.D.? No. 1517, 1617, 1717 or 1817 A.D.? No.

    So what was the ‘Big Deal’ for the Mother of God AS Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal to make an Apperance here on earth in 1917 A.D. with the SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION for a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her own Immaculately Loving Heart?

    All of you from the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church can “clue US Catholics in” as to what went ON in, what HAPPENED to and what RESULTED to Russia in the closing months of 1917 A.D.!

    And all of you RUSSIAN Orthodox and members of the EASTERN Orthodox Churches here can “clue ME in” as to WHO WAS BEHIND and WHO INSTIGATED and WHO FINANCED what some might know as ‘The BOLSHEVIK Revolution’.

    KathJuliane will certainly be tempted to pull out something on/about some ‘Secret CATHOLIC League’ of some Frankish King or whatever in order to discredit the Catholic Church and the Bishop of Rome - just wait and watch.

    Sr. Lucy said that the MOTHER OF GOD’S Fatima Request was for the BISHOP OF ROME along with ALL of the Catholic Bishops on ONE SPECIFIC DAY perform - in UNISON - a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    Now you and every last member of the Orthodox Church and write or contact your LOCAL Catholic Bishop of whatever Catholic Diocese throughout the entire World - and simply ASK that Catholic Bishop when did HE or when ANY of the previous Bishops of that particular Diocese PERFORM that Collegial Consecration with THE POPE - and could you have the ‘Video DVD’ or ‘Photographs’ or any order sort of DOCUMENTATION which captured and memorialized THAT particular PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Mother of God’s Immaculately Loving Heart.

    IF they did such a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration IN UNION WITH the Bishop of Rome - well then, by golly - such an ‘Auspicious World-wide Occassion’ should be COMMEMERORATED by every last Catholic Diocese the world over now, don’t you think?

    My gosh, we have historical T.V. accounts recorded of EVERY LAST Christman Midnight Mass offered up by the Bishop of Rome!

    SURELY, such an ‘Auspicous Global Event’ such as a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA per the Fatima Instructions simply MUST BE featured somewheres in ALL of the Catholic Dioceses throughout our entire World, don’t you think?

    Just write/call up THREE Bishops of THREE Catholic Diocese that YOU select ‘At Random’ from the entier World - and simply ASK THEM in that seperate inquiry to those THREE Bishops and/or their Dioceses WHEN did that Catholic Bishop perform that Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA along with the BISHOP OF ROME in a very PUBLIC and SOLEMN way.

    Is THAT ‘too much’ to ask for ANYONE to do on their own - with their OWN initiative - in order to ASCERTAIN who is telling the TRUTH and who is LYING about that Collegial Consecration having been done or not?

    Remember this time line…

    1054 A.D. Catholic-Orthodox Schism
    1117 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1217 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1317 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1417 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1517 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1617 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1717 A.D. NO Request for Consecration
    1817 A.D. NO Request for Consecration

    1884 A.D. Pope Leo XIII, the BISHOP OF ROME, received a mystically infused revelation of SATAN challenging JESUS that if he, Satan, had enough time and enough power over those who would give themselves over to him, that he, Satan, could and would DESTROY THE CHURCH.

    1917 A.D. Mother of God appears as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal. And for what reason?
    To ask for the POPE and the BISHOPS of the Catholic Church to PUBLICLY and SOLEMNLY Consecration RUSSIA to her very own Immaculatley Loving Heart.

    1917 A.D. - Now WHAT HAPPENED in and to RUSSIA? WHO was behind it? WHO financed it? WHO benefitted from it? WHO suffered? HOW MANY died? HOW MANY Orthodox Church buildings were TORN DOWN or turned into WAREHOUSES and FACTORIES?

    And then there is this something about a ‘HOLOMODOR’ in the Ukraine - but let us not even BOTHER considering THAT - let’s get back to FILIOQUE and PRIMACY issues here, okay?

    After all - as Stav has said…THIS IS AN ‘ORTHODOX’ website - as if the ORTHODOX haven’t any need to ‘WHAT HIT ‘EM!’ these past 100 years. And the ORTHODOX don’t need anything from Our Lady of Fatima on account of that being a very NASTY ‘CATHOLIC’ thing with this silly doctrine of her being ‘IMMACULATELY CONCEIVED’ by God in order to have an IMMACULATELY LOVING HEART.

    “Immaculate Conception” - BAH! HUMBUG! Just another one of the PAPIST-FASCIST-SUPREMECY and very APOSTATE-HERTICAL notions conjured up by the SCHISMATIC BISHOP OF ROME!

    - Fr. Joseph

  177. Fr. Joseph December 15, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

    Dear Michael K,

    Fr. Nicholas Gruner of ‘The Fatima Center’ makes the very sad report that the vast majority of CATHOLIC Bishops “haven’t a clue” that GOD HIMSELF wants for them and EXPECTS from them all to perform that public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Mother of God’s Immaculately Loving Heart.

    Are you familiar with the 4th century prophecy of St. Nilus, direct disciple of St. John Chrysostom? Go read it as St. Nilus writes that the BISHOPS of the 20th century will UTTERLY FAIL to “know the right hand way from the left”.

    And when you have the BISHOPS of the Orthodox Church tranfixed and mesmerized in their myopic mindset focused on FILIOQUE and PRIMACY issues while our entire World is ‘going-to-HELL-in-a-handbasket’, then you might very well agree that ST.NILUS’s 4th century prophecy regarding our World and the state of the Church in the 20th century is ‘Right-On-The-Mark’.

    Back in the late 1990’s, while praying the Rosary with my now Fr. Bishop and Rev. Mother at a ‘MARIAN MOVEMENT OF PRIESTS ROSARY PRAYER CENACLE’, I was given my own PERSONAL ‘mystical-religious-spiritual’ encounter with and of the MOTHER OF GOD herself.

    I had the inner vision of a very dark silouhette of her head but with the 12 golden stars of her Crown clearly visible.

    And the MOTHER OF GOD spoke to me THREE SIMPLE WORDS.

    Nah…she didn’t SPEAK to me. She was WAILING and PLEADING and with much ANGUISH and SORROW - and she, the MOTHER OF GOD came !CRYING! to me of all people. She bitterly WAILED to me these three words:

    ‘DEFEND THE CHURCH!’

    I cannot possibly describe to you what ANGUISH, what GRIEF, what SORROW was piercing her Immaculately Loving Heart!

    So, my dear Michael K., I simply keep on TRYING and TRYING and TRYING again to HOLD BACK and DEFEAT her Son’s Church here on earth ENEMIES.

    Thought you might like to understand why I get so ‘hot-under-the-collar’ about the vital spritiual necessity of THE POPE and the BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH to obey her Spiritual COMBAT Instructions - that is, to peform that public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    SHE ALONE CAN HELP US!

    And ‘Why is THAT?’

    BECAUSE of the Divine Prophecy of God Himself in Genesis 3:15 and what St. John the Apostle REVEALS FOR US ALL in the Book of Revelation with the REVELATIONS that JESUS CHRIST, GOD INCARNATE, THE LOGOS HIMSELF commanded St. John to write down IN his Book of Revelation - Revelation 12:17.

    Now did any of THAT make ANY SENSE to you?

    - Fr. Joseph

  178. The Prodigal Son December 15, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

    “Traditions of Men”?

    The apostles were men, yes… but they were not JUST men !

    They were men appointed by Jesus Christ Himself !

    Appointed to do what ?

    “Go therefore and make disciples of aa the nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; (…)”
    - Matthew 28:19, 20

    Do you think that EVERYTHING which Jesus commanded them is recorded in the Gospels and the Epistles in the Bible ?

    “And there are many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.”
    - John 21:25

    In the end of the book of Luke, Jesus said to the apostles, ” ‘These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.’

    And He opened their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures.”
    - Luke 24:44, 45

    So Jesus gave the apostles full understanding of the Scriptures… but then the book of Luke ends after that.

    The Bible does not record exactly WHAT they learned through this God-given gift.

    But guess what ? The apostles and their immediate successors went on to become bishops in the various Churches, everywhere…

    Do you think that they might have passed on any of their Divinely revealed knowledge in the respective Churches of which they were teaching ?

    Of course they did ! Not only that - but the Holy Spirit led them into ALL TRUTH !

    All tradition is not of men…

    “Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”
    - II Thessalonians 2:15

    “But we command you, brethren, in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.”
    - II Thessalonians 3:6

    The apostles gave MUCH more instruction IN PERSON than they did through epistles to specific Churches.

    The Holy Tradition which the apostles taught in the Churches was recieved by them from Jesus Himself, and cannot be compared to the Pharisaic ‘traditions of men’.

  179. Brother Nathanael December 15, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

    Dear Real Zionist News Family,

    I am finally coming up for air after the Tucson Street Evangelism trip. I came back totally exhausted and am still quite out of steam.

    I am preparing a new Real Zionist News article that is taking longer than any article heretofore written. I hope to have it up tomorrow…it’s going to be a BOMBSHELL!

    I have also been out on the street here in the ski resort area of Colorado where I live with my sign, “Merry CHRISTmas!” Everybody loves this sign!

    Do keep me in your prayers everyone for a full recovery of my energy. Please know that ALL OF YOU are DAILY in mine.

    You are ALL in my heart and soul with MUCH LOVE & MUCH APPRECIATION.

    With Much Love In Christ Our Savour,

    Your +Brother, Nathanael

  180. Michael K. December 15, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    I think you will find that Br. Nathanael has already expended considerable effort in presenting argument that the Illuminized Talmudic Jews and Rothschild agents were responsible for the most part in the Bolshevik attack on Russia, so maybe that is a rhetorical question and I’m just being obtuse. I accept this as the most likely explanation, myself, for this event.

    There is a direct quote above indicating that Pope John Paul II did perform the consecration, and that it was accepted by one of the Fatima witnesses, plus the tie in to the fall of the Berlin Wall, all of which paints a very compelling picture both of the reality and efficacy of the Fatima revelation, and of its place in shaping the events of our times. I would not like to be completely dismissive of this strong circumstantial argument any more than I dare be dismissive of Fatima.

    Even though as you pointed out there was a general lack of documented participation by the Bishops of the Roman Church, and thus it can be argued convincingly that the work is as yet unfinished, to which I again say fine, I agree. If it worked that well when just the Pope did it, by all means let’s get it done right so we will have the full benefit.

    As far as the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, I must confess that I have never before heard such a thing, nor read about it anywhere in the Bible. If you believe in this notion, fine. If you want me to believe it and teach it to my children, I can’t do that. The logic you presented last week or so, as to why it may be inferred that Mary was Immaculately conceived herself was not strong logic. If I recall correctly, stated as a syllogism, it would go:

    Jesus Christ was Immaculately conceived of God the Holy Spirit and the Blessed Virgin.

    Jesus Christ was perfect and sinless.

    Jesus Christ was incarnate through Mary and humans have a sin nature.

    Jesus Christ’s mother would have had to have been sinless in order for him not to receive original sin through her.

    Thus we know that Mary was Immaculately conceived herself, and thus sinless in preparation to be the Mother of God.

    Sounds good, but consider this: Unless Mary’s mother was Immaculately Conceived, Mary would have had the same epistemological problem you are trying to solve by attributing Immaculate Conception to Mary.

    Extending the logic backward, and adding Immaculate Conceptions in all the preceding generations, you would get closer to sinlessness (1/2 sinless, 3/4 sinless, 7/8 sinless, 15/16 sinless, 31/32 sinless, 63/64 sinless…etc.) but at some point you would be back at Eve, who was certainly fully in SIN. Hence the entire basis for the logic ignores the math and is hence illogical, as well as completely unsupported by Scripture.

    This fundamental lack of logic can be viewed as covering up an even greater problem, one where such spurious logic and lack of Scriptural foundation can be enforced as dogma and the error repeated again and again over generations with staggering implications. Is it any wonder that there are Protestants out there?

    What is more, it is the sin nature inherent in man which Jesus Christ overcame first within his own human flesh, and then within all of mankind. Without the struggle to overcome sin in his own flesh his victories would have been kind of hollow. The Scripture said he was tempted to sin in the flesh by being offered the world by Satan. If he had not inherited the full burden of sin inherent in mortal flesh, what then did he overcome? How can he help us if he never fought to overcome that which we ourselves must fight?

    It is disturbing to me that the Roman Catholic dogma has such obvious errors, and for years I was disillusioned by Catholicism. Then I met these wonderful friends who taught me that the original and primal Catholicism was devoid of such obvious errors, and I once again wanted to be Catholic. How blessed I am to have seen Catholicism revealed in its original logical and Scriptural integrity. How glad I am not to have tossed the baby out with the bath water, as I was tempted by the World to do.

    I wish we could share in the common appreciation of all that is truly sacred and Catholic without the problems associated with various heresies and inventions. Taken simply from Scripture, seen in the light of the early Fathers, there is full nourishment for the soul. Let us be silent and in reverent awe in the presence of the sacred, neither adding to nor taking away from that which we have received.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  181. massi December 15, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

    “Christian Unity” the phantom which can not be defined, as some would say it means that all should submit to Rome. Others would say it means something else. I personally believe that it means recognizing Christ as the head of the church, which is His Body.

    There are some that think this means that we all should speak in unknown tongues, and etc. etc. The Scriptures can define it for us, however there are some who believe in an authority higher and they would debate the meanings in Scripture. I have settled the question for myself, so to speak, and subscribe to “Scripture Alone” and according to the Apostles Creed am within my faith-http://timutele.wordpress.com/ith.

    However; though I do not know the solution to the problem of Christian unity, I know the cause of the disunity. Perhaps this would help some. I enjoy ‘concordant studies’ and believe that such study is one of the keys to understanding God’s word. The Greek language is said to be very precise, and as such the Greek words that are used in the original transcripts will better define things for us than their sometimes poorly translated counterpart, which often is not even an accurate rendering.

    In Revelation-XII:17 we read “And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war (WITH) the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” These words in their ‘original’ are the words which The Holy Spirit teaches. I have purposely given attention to the word “with” in the quote from revelation above, because the meaning of the passage hinges on it’s definition.

    There are many Greek words which translators have rendered ‘with’. Among them are SUN, EN, PARA, PROS, EK, DIA, EPI, APO, KATA, AMA, EIS, PERI, and EXO. In the Greek, each of these is limited in the sense that with it can be understood. That is to say it’s usage limits it’s definition to just some senses of meaning. And they can not be taken, or understood to mean anything outside those limitations, for there is another Greek word which would cover that sense of meaning.

    In all the Greek manuscripts, the word rendered ‘with’ in the verse above The Holy Spirit has used the Greek word META. It is limited in it’s sense of meaning to-with, in association with, in proximity with, together with, in company with. It is never used in the sense of “against”. In this one Greek word and it’s limited sense, The Holy Spirit Has disclosed to us Satan’s “method of operation” concerning the Body of Christ.

    Thus the cause of Christian disunity.

    The solution is also found within Holy Scripture. Colossians-II: 18,19 reads “Let no man therefore beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshiping of angels intruding into those things which he hath not seen vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind and not holding the Head from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered and knit together increaseth with the increase of God.”

  182. arjan December 16, 2009 @ 4:37 am

    Can the people that call themselves Christians please stop arguing. This site is to strengthen American Christians against Jewish oppression. This includes Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant.

    I can find enough people in my own denomination to argue with about the Jew.

    On this site we agree on the facts about the Jew, and we learn new ones.

    If you just want to argue, please go some where else, I haven’t seen anything interesting in these long letters from you zealots.

    Arjan

  183. jgalindes December 16, 2009 @ 5:39 am

    Who controls the Governments of the World?

    U.K. vows to end arrest threats to top Israeli officials

    http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135207.html

    Wed., December 16, 2009 Kislev 29, 5770 | | Israel Time: 00:03 (EST+7)

    Last update - 00:02 16/12/2009

    By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent, and Agencies

    Britain pledged Tuesday to reform a peculiar legal power that lets judges order the arrest of visiting politicians and generals - a threat currently focused on Israeli visitors that, one day, might be invoked against Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin.

    Lawyers working with Palestinian activists in recent years have sought the arrest of senior Israeli civilian and military figures under terms of universal jurisdiction. This ill-defined legal concept empowers judges to issue arrest warrants for visiting officials accused of war crimes in a foreign conflict.

    Their latest target is Tzipi Livni, Israel’s former foreign minister and current opposition leader, who staunchly defends Israel’s offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Israel’s government confirmed Tuesday that she canceled a planned London trip this month after her office received news of a secretly issued arrest warrant awaiting her arrival.

    Foreign Secretary David Miliband later announced that Britain would no longer tolerate legal harassment of Israeli officials in this fashion.

    Speaking after meeting Israel’s London ambassador Tuesday night, Miliband said the British law permitting judges to issue arrest warrants against foreign dignitaries without any prior knowledge or advice by a prosecutor must be reviewed and reformed.

    Miliband said the British government was determined that arrest threats against visitors of Livni’s stature would not happen again.

    “Israel is a strategic partner and a close friend of the United Kingdom. We are determined to protect and develop these ties,” Miliband said. “Israeli leaders - like leaders from other countries - must be able to visit and have a proper dialogue with the British government.”

    Miliband voices shock over arrest warrant in call to Livni

    Earlier Tuesday, Miliband called Livni to express his shock over the arrest warrant and pledged to address the matter immediately.

    Livni clarified that she doesn’t view the arrest warrant as a personal offense, but rather one that affects Israel as a whole. She added that it also harms efforts to operate jointly against threatening elements.

    Livni stressed that Israel and Britain must work to solve the problem according to agreements outlined when she was foreign minister.

    Miliband earlier in the day denounced the arrest warrant as insufferable, after Israel warned that the matter could harm bilateral ties.

    Miliband made the comments during a meeting with Israel’s ambassador to Court of St. James, Ron Prosor. The Israeli envoy asked to discuss the matter with Miliband on Monday, following news that Livni had canceled her trip to Britain after a warrant was issued for her arrest.

    Prosor told Miliband that the British government must work immediately to combat the grave phenomenon of arrest warrants being issued against senior Israeli officials.

    The foreign secretary said he had spoken with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and with Secretary of State for Justice Jack Straw in order to try to resolve the problem.

    Miliband called Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Tuesday and expressed concern over the arrest warrant, saying he and other British parliamentarians found it unacceptable. Miliband also planned to call Livni.

    He told Lieberman that solutions must be found in order to prevent this situation from repeating itself in the future.

    Lieberman expressed disappointment over Britain’s abstention during the United Nations vote on the Goldstone report, which accuses Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes in Gaza, and the Swedish proposal to recognize Jerusalem as a shared Israeli and Palestinian capital.

    Also Tuesday, the Foreign Ministry summoned the British envoy to Israel to rebuke him over the warrant.

    Israel views the arrest warrant with utmost gravity, Naor Gilon, deputy director at the Foreign Ministry in charge of Western Europe, told British ambassador Tom Phillips.

    Gilon also called on Phillips to urge his government to change the law that allows for arrest warrants to be issued against senior Israeli officials over alleged war crimes perpetrated in Gaza during the winter conflict between Israel and Hamas.

    Netanyahu: We won’t allow our leaders to be tried for war crimes

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday issued a statement saying that Israel will not agree to have its leaders be recognized as war criminals.

    “We will not agree to a situation in which Ehud Olmert, Ehud Barak and Tzipi Livni will be summoned to the defendant’s bench,” Netanyahu said.

    “We will not agree that IDF commanders and soldiers, who - heroically and in a moral fashion - defended our citizens against a brutal and criminal enemy, will be condemned as war criminals. We reject this absurdity outright.”

    Netanyahu instructed National Security Adviser Prof. Uzi Arad to deliver a clear message on this issue to British envoy Phillips.

    Dr. Arad spoke with Ambassador Phillips and made it clear to him that Israel expects the British government to act against this immoral phenomenon, which is trying to impair Israel’s right to self-defense.

    A statement from the British embassy in Israel said the U.K. is determined to work for peace in the Middle East and to be a strategic partner to Israel.

    “To do this, Israel’s leaders need to be able to come to the U.K. for talks with the British government. We are looking urgently at the implications of this case.” The embassy statement said.

    Israel’s Foreign Ministry earlier Tuesday called on the British government to end the “absurd situation” in which arrest warrants were being issued to Israeli officials over alleged war crimes in Gaza, warning that ties between the two countries could suffer as a result.

    “Only actions can put an end to this absurd situation, which would have seemed a comedy of errors were it not so serious,” said the Foreign Ministry.

    The ministry warned that in indulging the arrest warrant, the British government was hampering its own efforts at playing a role in Middle East peace negotiations.

    “We appreciate the British government’s desire to play a central role in the Middle East peace process, and thus we expected it to translate the importance it gives its relations with Israel into actions,” said the ministry.

    “Israel urges the British government to once and for all honor its promises to take action to prevent anti-Israel forces from exploiting the British legal system to act against Israel and its citizens, the ministry said. The absence of resolute and immediate action to redress this distortion harms relations between the two countries,” it added.

    Vice Premier Silvan Shalom urged the ministry to make “real diplomatic” efforts to make it clear that Israel would not accept such behavior.

    “We are all Tzipi Livni,” he said. “The time has come for us to move from the defensive to the offensive. We must use real diplomacy here, to tell Britain, Spain and all those other states that we will not stand for this anymore.”

    Livni: World can judge us, but don’t equate IDF with terrorist

    In response to the warrant, Livni said Tuesday that she would not accept any accusation that compared Israel Defense Forces soldiers to terrorists.

    “I have no problem with the fact that the world wants to judge Israel,” said Livni. “We are part of the free world. The problem starts when they equate terrorists and Israeli soldiers.”

    Senior officials in Israel confirmed reports on Monday that a British court issued the warrant against Livni for her role in orchestrating Israel’s military offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip nearly a year ago. The request for the warrant was submitted by a pro-Palestinian organization.

    British sources reported late Monday that though a British court had issued an arrest warrant for Livni over war crimes allegedly committed in Gaza while she served as foreign minister, it annulled it upon discovering she was not in the U.K.

    The incident was the latest in a string of attempts by pro-Palestinian activists to have Israeli officials arrested.

    Pro-Palestinian lawyers attempted earlier this year to invoke the universal jurisdiction law to arrest Gaza war mastermind Ehud Barak, Israel’s defense minister, but his status as a Cabinet minister gave him diplomatic immunity.

    In 2005, a retired Israeli general, Doron Almog, returned to Israel immediately after landing in London because he was tipped off that British police planned to arrest him. The warrant against Almog - who oversaw the bombing of a Gaza home in which 14 people were killed - was later canceled.

    Other Israeli leaders, including former military chief Moshe Ya’alon and ex-internal security chief Avi Dichter, have also canceled trips to Britain in recent years for the same reason.

    Source:Peter Myers regular e-mail.

  184. StMichael December 16, 2009 @ 7:25 am

    Just a note on that itanimulli domain:

    Anybody can purchase a domain an use what’s called a “redirect” to have the user’s browser go to another site.

    You can easily use godaddy to find out the registrant’s info. I did and it’s just an ordinary person. Nothing sinister as far as I can see.

  185. MaryC December 16, 2009 @ 11:11 am

    Kc: When I said “just happens” I wasn’t intending to belittle Brother Nathaniel’s conversion experience. What I meant to imply was that Brother Nathaniel is telling the truth about Jewish supremicism and in my view that doesn’t matter whether he is Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, of no religion, or heck, even Jewish!

    If Brother Nathaniel’s forum took a different format, I would suggest starting a mosh pit where Catholics, Orthodox,Protestants and whoever else can hurl theological brickbats at each other to their hearts content and leave the rest of us to address the subject at hand.

  186. The Prodigal Son December 16, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

    MaryC,

    A quote from Br. Nathanael’s Home Page here at RZN:

    “I Wish To Warn How Zionist Jews
    Are Destroying Christianity Throughout The World.”

    So, I think basicly - that is the default topic here, and is relevant to every discussion we have here.

    ‘Jews’ are destroying Christianity. I agree with this. If you examine them, all the posts here lead back to that core theme.

    I’m not here to belittle anyone, and if people are bored with History - then they are bored with the truth as well.

    I was born a Roman Catholic, and I say the vatican is run by the Rothschilds & the fake ‘Jews’, just like most of the rest of the world…

    That the Roman church has changed its teachings over the years is self-evident IF you examine the past. Your loyalties should be to Christ, not to the decadent palace called the vatican and the pope.

    Those who call themselves ‘traditional Catholics’… why not just vist an Orthodox Church ? Now that’s traditional !

    ‘Jews’ are changing Christianity into something it never was. The ‘fruits’ are there for all to see. Why would anyone want any part of ANYTHING they’ve changed: whether it be Septuagint to Masoretic… or Salvation through Jesus alone to many paths to heaven ?

    Fr. Joseph, if Mary spoke to you and pleaded with you to defend “the Church”…

    Then you must re-examine your definition of ‘Church’… Defending the Church does NOT mean defending the pope, or the vatican, or any of the teachings & things they have invented since 1054.

    Defending the Church means defending the correct faith in Christ, and the group of people (who ARE the Church) who have ALWAYS held that correct faith tightly !

    One church says there are ‘many paths to heaven’…

    One Church says that faith in Jesus Christ and baptism in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is the only way for us to get to Heaven…

    Only ONE of these statements are true, and this is a VERY important issue !

    So, as far as I can tell - we have to make a choice and we better choose wisely because there are those who will say, “Lord, Lord”… and He will say, “I never knew you.” !

    Don’t you know that we will judge the saints ? We certainly must judge each other !

  187. charlie December 16, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

    “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday issued a statement saying that Israel will not agree to have its leaders be recognized as war criminals.

    “We will not agree to a situation in which Ehud Olmert, Ehud Barak and Tzipi Livni will be summoned to the defendant’s bench,” Netanyahu said.

    ….. ‘course they don’t, but the rest of the world does, … nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, Israhell.

    “Tender Father, lash not Your wrath on this generation, lest they perish altogether;
    Lash not on Your flock distress and anguish,
    for the waters will run dry and nature will wither;
    all will succumb at Your wrath leaving no trace behind them;

    The heat of Your Breath will put aflame the earth turning it into a waste!
    From the horizon a star will be seen;
    The night will be ravaged and ashes will fall as snow in winter,
    covering Your people like ghosts;

    Take Mercy on us, God, and do not assess us harshly;
    Remember the hearts that rejoice in You and You in them!
    Remember Your faithful and let not Your Hand fall on us with force,
    But, rather in Your Mercy lift us and place Your precepts in every heart. Amen”

    The next day on Sunday, as I sat at Church, after 5 minutes or so, I heard the Lord call me and speak to me. My worry was that I would not remember to write what He said. Our Lady in the end said just a few words. But, our Lord made me understand that I do not have to worry because He will remind me when I will write His words, in fact He will lead my hand again. So this is what Jesus Christ said yesterday and today, Monday 14 December His Words were written.

    Testify my child on My behalf and in My Name, and speak and tell this generation:

    Do not listen anymore to false prophets who keep stroking you with caresses telling you that all is well and that you have improved when you, at the same time who call yourself a Christian do not behave like one, for you hardly act on My Words in the Gospel; for I tell you, if your virtue in being a Christian goes no deeper than the godless ones, My Father, not recognizing Me in you will never allow you to enter in Our Kingdom!

    My Father’s wrath will unleash on you; have you not learnt that My severity is as great as My Mercy? You who sell yourself to your surrounding as a good Christian, giving them this false image of Christianity, when you are just the opposite, you will be uncovered and your sin as well; and you, you whose tongue never stopped judging unjustly, your sin will recoil on your own head; My anger rages against your sort and I will judge you for your conduct as it deserves;

    You who cannot forgive and forget as I forgive and forget, My Father too will hold that sin against you! Yahweh is near, coming with all speed, so tell Me, where will you hide? To lead a sinful life is to belong to the devil; you have learnt in which manner you will be judged when you are unwilling to reconcile with the one you still hold a grudge against him; I tell you, this sin of unwillingness to come to terms with the one you hold responsible, will be bitterly paid by you till the last penny; have I not said: you must love your neighbour as yourself and even more that you must learn to love your enemies?

    Well, what have My Eyes been witnessing? I have been witnessing a meager lot who truly follow My ways, but the majority are in sin and doing Satan’s work; do not deceive yourselves, for in these coming days you are bound for destruction because you are not following My Word*1; if anyone refuses to this day to obey My principles My Father too will refuse him an abode in heaven; and you who have taken My Name*2, yet act in violence, anger and pride, that same scourge your sharp tongue used on your brothers, you will receive likewise and your sin will condemn you; and you who still sleep in your apathy and lethargy do not think that I have not noticed you, you will be ranked among the pagans and you will be reaping what you have sown;

    As for the apostates, they will taste the fire of hell! My Father’s wrath is lit up with this evil and pervert generation; how can I hold back His Arm furthermore from lashing on you? Turn back from your evil ways was Our constant theme, but good and bad have been refusing to abandon their ways of life; the good for not taking My Words seriously in these messages and acting on them, the bad for refusing to be saved, refusing My Mercy, refusing My Hand; tell Me what will you do when you realize that Day that you are mere clay and that clay without My Presence within you, you are nothing but dust?

    Disaster is just around the corner and the foliage will turn dry; amend all of you your conduct and actions, let not destruction overtake you; take the right course and stop your abominations and your perversions; set your heart on Me your Lord, if not you will crumble down in ashes like a burnt city;

    Now, even if I distressed you, even for a mere moment, it was out of the greatness of the love I have for you; I want to lead you to repentance and save you; I want lips that are clean to invoke My Holy Name, especially in these days where My Holy Name will be profaned and mean nothing to many while they celebrate My birth without honour and praise; repent all of you and focus on Me; and pray that this generation’s guilt will not be the cause of your destruction; otherwise the Father’s wrath will lead Him to cry out: enough! And His fiery rage will cover many nations and the world will disintegrate; happy the man who listens to Me now and purifies himself; I will support him;

    I am Jesus Christ and am the Author of these Messages and I am known to govern you with lenience; I am known to flower you if you are willing and if need I water you with My Tears; I am known as the Good Shepherd who never abandons His sheep; I lead you into green pastures, but when treaties are broken, witnesses that I am sending despised and rejected, could I keep silent? When I know you are heading to a fatal destruction, would I not react? On that Day of the Father’s wrath those who had forgotten Me, will remember Me; and they will be treated accordingly;

    Many indeed ask, what sins? sins that I have mentioned and sins of your blasphemy against My Holy Spirit, sins of your rebellion and of your division, sins of perversion that are an abomination in My Eyes, sins of prejudice, sins of contempt, of corruption, of haughtiness, of pride, sins of degradation and of lethargy, the world is polluted with sin; understand now how My Sacred Heart is offended and is in pain; master your thoughts and sin no more; never forget Me, Vassula, and let My people know of My warnings; I am here.”

  188. charlie December 16, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

    Michael K.

    The argument you attributed to Father Joseph for th Immaculate Conception was by me, a layman, not Fr Joseph. Check back and you will verify this.

    I knew immediately at the time someone would raise your rebuttal and here is the reply.

    Mary who was herself immaculately conceived by a special operation and grace effective in that conception remained sinless throughout her life and thus overcame through this virtue all opposition.

    From the time of her Immaculate Conception her parents through this grace of the holy spirit working in them, until thir death, were also sinless and thus, the blood which fed the baby growing in St Anne’s womb was pure. This is proven through the revelation of sister Mary of Agreda and is the answer to the fairy tale based on ignorance that everyone prior to Mary must have also been conceived without original sin for this grace to be given to her.

    As for the assertion that Christ had to overcome sin within himself. It is true that Christ had free will just like everyone and thus was subject to temptation but Christ ALWAYS chose the good path. He had no need of an inherited sinful nature in order to overcome evil. Adam and Eve did not fall when they were tempted, they fell when they gave in to that temptation. So you see using false logic to claim Christ had to have a sinful human nature in order to win the victory is nonsense.

    This betrays a lack of understanding and knowledge of holy things which can only come through the gift of the Holy Spirit. I pray for the gift of The Holy Spirit on you and every member here, and on your family and the family of all members.

  189. The Prodigal Son December 16, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

    Charlie,

    Can you ask Jesus why He didn’t mention Fatima or Russia, or describe how Mary is the “only” one who can help us now ?

    Maybe He forgot ?

  190. charlie December 16, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

    Quoting Rev. Robert J. Fox in “Fatima Today”

    “At Fatima, the children were made to realize their nothingness in the presence of the all good and all powerful God.

    The Angel taught them to adore God in the Most Blessed Sacrament, and he also gave them Holy Communion.

    The light given by Mary was God, and it led the children to praise and worship the entire Blessed Trinity and Jesus in the Most Blessed Sacrament.

    This was a splendid manifestation of the Catholic teaching that devotion to Mary leads to Jesus Christ and to the entire Trinity.

    Since Our blessed Lady appeared so many times at Fatima, we may forget that there were manifestations of Our Lord also.

    If we study Lucia’s accounts carefully, we learn that the children somehow saw Our Lord in the mysterious light of the June and July apparitions. And in October the child Jesus appeared with St Joseph and both blessed the world. In the same apparition Our Lord appeared as a man.”

    In an interview of Sr Lucia with a Father Mcglynn “In 1927 it is said, Our Lord spoke to you from the tabernacle giving you permission to write all that Our Lady had revealed concerning devotion to the Immaculate Heart. Did not this include the consecration of Russia?”

    She answered in the affirmative.

    “Is the promise that Russia wil be converted conditional or absolute?”
    “In the end, absolute..”

    Regarding certain happenings in the world on January 21 1940 she wrote “When Our Lord wants me to know something. He takes it upon Himself to let me in on it. He has many ways of doing this.”

    Reading the diaries of Sr Lucia it become clear very quickly that she intimately communicated with Our Lord and that this consisted more than anything in getting us to perform our daily duty and keeping His the law, and that this is the reparation which he exacts from us.

    On June 13 1929

    “I had sought and obtained permission from my superiors and confessor to make a holy hour from eleven o’clock until midnight, every thursday to friday night. Being alone one night, I knelt near the altar rails in the middle of the chapel and prostrate, I prayed the prayers of the angel.. feeling tired I then stood up and continued to say the prayers with my arms in the form of a cross.

    The only light was that of the sancuary lamp. Suddenly the whole chapel was illumined by a supernatural light, and above the altar appeared a cross of light, reaching to the ceiling. In a brighter light on the upper part of the cross, could be seen the face of a man and his body as far as the waist; upon his breast was a dove of light; nailed to the cross was the body of another man.

    A little below the waist . I could see a chalice and a large Host suspended in the air, onto which drops of blood were falling from the face of Jesus Christ crucified, and from the wound in his side. These drops ran down onto the host and fell into the chalice.

    Beneath the right arm of the cross was Our lady and in her hand was her Immaculate Heart (it was Our Lady of Fatima, with her Immaculate Heart in her left hand, without sword [piercing the heart] or roses but with a crown of thorns and flames) Under the left arm of the cross, in large letters, as if of crystal clear water which ran down upon the altar, formed these words, “Grace and Mercy.”

    I understood that it was the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity which was shown to me, and I received lights about this mystery which I am not permitted to reveal

    Our Lady then said to me:

    “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. There are so many souls whom the Justice of God condemns for sins committed against me, that I have come to ask reparation: sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”

    I gave an account of this to my confessor , who ordered me to write down what Our Lady wanted done.

    Later in an intimate communication , Our Lord complained to me saying

    “They did not wish to heed to My request. Like the King of France, they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church; [Vatican II]; the Holy father will have much to suffer.”

  191. The Prodigal Son December 16, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

    I asked before… I’ll ask again:

    “They did not wish to heed to My request. Like the King of France, they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church; [Vatican II]; the Holy father will have much to suffer.”

    Can someone tell us WHAT the king of France was supposed to have done - that he didn’t do ?

    Am I the only one who sees the connection here ?

    We know who was behind the ‘French’ and ‘Russian’ revolutions. It’s all laid out plain as day in the ‘Protocols of Zion’.

    And here (it seems to me) we have a connection to the vatican… making predictions, and seeing them to fruition.

    Is North America next on the list to be ‘consecrated’ ?

  192. charlie December 16, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

    “Can someone tell us WHAT the king of France was supposed to have done - that he didn’t do ?”

    You didn’t ask before but I’ll tell you…and I’m going by the context only as you are, in your remark about the USA and that is of course, consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary was one of the secrets of Fatima, also the devotion to the Sacred heart as propagated by Our Lord through St Margaret Mary Alacoque first took root in France….voila France, despite the freemasonic onslaught is still a Catholic country….wonder how that miracle came about?

    Your assertion that this is all part of the ‘illuminati’ plan makes zero sense.

  193. charlie December 16, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

    PLease sign my petition

    “Israel Should be Prosecuted for War Crimes.”

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/israel-should-be-prosecuted-for-war-crimes

  194. Fr. Joseph December 17, 2009 @ 1:39 am

    Dear Michael K.

    Surely, you jest - you have NEVER HEARD of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception?

    It was defined by THE CHURCH!

    Surely, you’ve heard of the doctrine of THE TRINITY, haven’t you?

    That is a doctrine defined by THE CHURCH as well!

    As are the RESURRECTION and ASCENSION of Christ Jesus into Heaven.

    THE CHURCH defines the doctrines of THE CHURCH! That is way there are BISHOPS who have the office of what it DOCTRINALLY defined as ‘The Teaching Magesterium’.

    THE CHURCH defined and declared which books were to be included in the Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture.

    If THE CHURCH and her BISHOPS are NOT assigned and charged by CHRIST to declare the DOCTRINES of HIS OWN CHURCH here on earth, then pray, DO TELL US ‘Who?’ defines what THE CHURCH holds and believes?

    You are most certainly FREE to use any Internet search engine and type in ‘Church Father’s Mary’s Sinlessness’ any old time you desire.

    As from ‘The Bible’, the first letter of St. John resolutely states:

    “In was to UNDO ALL that the devil has done, that the Son of God appeared.’

    The Son of God APPEARED to us in A PHYSICAL BODY belonging to the Human Race. And the Incarnate Son of God obtained His Body FROM His Mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Let’s not pussy-foot around with what ‘THE BIBLE’ clearly states via the pen and writing of the Apostle St. John…

    “…it was TO UNDO ALL that the devil has done…”

    What does the word ‘ALL’ mean to you? Or perhaps better, what is the meaning you’d LIKE TO ascribe to the word ‘ALL’.

    Christ Jesus was SINLESS according to His Divine Nature. His Mother was created SINLESS by Divine Grace.

    If SATAN royally fouled up Adam AND Eve with SIN, then how could ‘The Woman’ of Genesis BE sinful?

    The Divine Punishment for our SINS is DEATH.

    And when we DIE, our mortal shells ROT.

    Now then, WHERE do you find the ‘Grave/Tomb of the Blessed Virgin Mary’ here on earth?
    Try as you might with every last archeologist currently alive on planet earth and search every last square centimeter of the Middle East (or every last Continent of our World if you wish) and you WILL NOT FIND any ‘Grave’ or ‘Tomb’ of the Mother of Jesus. And ‘Why?’ is that?

    Because she was ASSUMED into Heaven - body, soul and spirit.

    THE CHURCH defines that as Mary’s “Assumption Into Heaven.”

    Now just as you will NOT find the word ‘Trinity’ in the Bible as ‘The Trinity’ is a DOCTRINE defined by THE CHURCH, you will NOT find ‘The Assumption of Mary into Heaven’ in the Bible either…

    …BUT…

    We learn that the Mother of God Incarnate IS truly IN HEAVEN in the ‘Book of Revelation’.

    The concluding sentences of 2 John and 3 John likewise give Apostolic creedence to the ASSUMPTION OF MARY INTO HEAVEN.

    For you see, it was to ST.JOHN that our dying God Incarnte, the Son of God, JESUS gave HIS MOTHER into the care of St. John.

    If there is any one living soul who would be an EYE-WITNESS to Mary’s Assumption into Heaven, it would have been ST. JOHN!

    Now in the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed - BOTH which came before the official Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture - we have the DOCTRINAL DECLARATIONS/ASSERTIONS of ‘We belive in the RESURRECTION FROM THE DEATH’

    ‘Resurrection’ as meaning the reuniting of OUR BODIES with our spirits ‘on the LAST DAY’.

    If the Mother of God has NO TOMB here on earth which contains her DECAYING/DECAYED physical body, then she did NOT have any SIN!

    And because she was WITHOUT SIN, her body would not be subject to God’s Divine Justice which is that we must WAIT for ‘The Resurrection of the body’ and hence, she would have NO TOMB on account of her body being taken up into Heaven as her Son ASCENDED into Heaven by His Own Divine Power.

    NO TOMB, NO GRAVE of the Mother of God here on earth to be found ANYWHERES means she was ASSUMED body, soul and spirit INTO Heaven at ‘the end of her life’ here on earth.

    And to have one’s BODY in Heaven MEANS that you are SINLESS.

    Does THAT explanation help you? If NOT, I’ll try another one with the help of God the Holy Spirit.

    - Fr. Joseph

  195. Fr. Joseph December 17, 2009 @ 2:31 am

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    Yes, the Blessed Virgin Mary DID beseech me with the words ‘Defend the Church’.

    “Fr. Malachi Martin said that the Third Secret (of Fatima) IS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE, MULTIPLIED EXPONENTIALLY.” - from

    http://www.tldm.org/News10/MalachiMartinBelievedInBayside.htm

    and

    “Cardinal Ratzinger personally confirmed to me that those two messages, of Fatima and Akita, are essentially the same.” - from

    http://www.fatima.org/crusader/cr82/cr82pg11.asp

    - Fr. Joseph

  196. Stav December 17, 2009 @ 12:25 pm

    Hi all,

    @arjan

    Dear arjan,

    You say:
    …”American Christians against Jewish oppression”…

    Your view of this world is too small. The NWO/Zionism oppress ALL the world in various ways. This site may focus on American issues but you should know that what happens over in the US, takes effect GLOBALLY. I am located in Greece, Europe, and I can tell you that all positions of power are NWO/Zionist ridden here too. Thus please widen your perspective.

    On a second note, please read about how and why Br. Nathanael has chosen to become an Orthodox Christian, rather than any other. Primary reasons are because it is #1 the closest to the Original Jewish faith and #2 because it is the purest and unchanged version of the faith. Secondly, I repeat my previous statement, that being an Orthodox Christian is the Cornerstone of fighting the NWO/Zionism.

    @ Fr. Joseph,

    Come on now, Fr., the immaculate conception was not “defined by the Church” as you put it, it was INVENTED by a Pope out of his magic hat!!!

    And as a poster I forget posted on this page posted just a bit above, why on earth believe your demon lady of Fatima when she says she is the only one who can help now, when Jesus Christ Himself says that He is the Way and the Salvation? Cannot you see how satanic such a statement is?

    But because of this immaculate conception of yours, and the way you have deified the Theotokos, you find that statement quite acceptable. Can you see now how satanic the Roman “church” has become?

    No. off course not.

    Are you saying that even though Jesus Christ comes down and inside us and millions of other people, through Holy Communion, the CREATOR HIMSELF, still only Mary the Most Holy Theotokos is this only one who can help us?

    She is the Great Intercessor, our greatest possible help in that respect by her powerful prayers, but when it comes to helping us, She asks this of our Lord and Her Son, She does not do this by Herself without permission.

    She is NOT a goddess Fr. Joseph, she is flesh and blood like us and was NOT born immaculately. Get your balance in faith and doctrine right Fr. Joseph. To be confused and indoctrinated since childhood is one thing, but to spread this confusion to others is simply NOT right.

    Stav

  197. Lynda December 17, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

    “Can someone tell us what the King of France was supposed to have done - that he didn’t do?” The Prodigal Son Dec 16, 09

    Further to Charlie’s answer Dec 16, 09.

    When the Lord of Hosts spoke to Sr Lucia of Fatima as the Sacred Heart, He referred to an exact parallel between the King of France and his commission to have France consecrated by the bishops to the Sacred Heart (declined) and the Catholic papacy seated in Rome together with all the bishops and their commission to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary (declined).

    In 1935, Sr of Lucia of Fatima wrote a letter to Father Goncalves (her emissary to Pope Pius XI). In this letter she reminds him that in 1929 our Lady had announced: “The moment has come. God asks the Holy Father to make in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.”

    Pope Pius XI did not act upon this request.

    So in her letter to Father Goncalves, Sr Lucia relates that in 1931, our Lord, expressed displeasure that the consecration had not been done. She reports to Father Goncalves that our Lord had said: “My ministers did not want to heed my request. Like the King of France, they will repent and do it [the consecration of Russia] but it will be late.”

    In her discourse to the three shepherd children of the Serra in 1917, our Lady described “late” as the time when “in the end, the Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me.” This time was characterized as: “wars, persecutions of the Church, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, certain nations will be annhilated”

    It was to prevent the consequences of “late” that the consecration was requested by our Lady in 1929.

    Thus, the remark of our Lord that “my ministers follow the example of the King of France and they will follow him into misfortune.”

    He refers to the failures of King Louis XIV, King Louis XV and King Louis XVI to have France consecrated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    This story goes back to one hundred years before The Revolution inaugurated 1789 (which the Protocols of the Elders of Zion called “our Revolution” and which alone is called “Great”). This Revolution would overthrow every throne and altar in the Christendom of Catholic Europe. Today its global or Communist phase stamps on the shards of what remains of freedom of religion once enjoyed by Christians in the republics founded by the Revolution.

    In its overthrow / subversion of the Christian patriarchates, the Revolution has extinguished the sacrament of orders and substituted agents of the Revolution for priests and bishops. Today it is judaizing the Catholic Church worldwide and welding all christianities into a one world ecumentical church.

    One hundred years before the Great Revolution inaugurated 1789, our Lord appeared to a young nun of the Order of the Visitation of Our Lady at Paray-le-monial. He came to reveal to her His Sacred Heart.

    “Behold this Heart which has so much loved men that it spared nothing even going so far as to exhaust and consume itself to prove to them my love.”

    As St Margaret Mary confided to her religious superiors: “He desires to convert souls, to be enthroned in the homes of families, to reign over nations as King by means of His Sacred Heart, beginning with the king and nobility of France.”

    Our Lord asked the King of France King Louis XIV to have France consecrated to His Sacred Heart with the homage of the king and his whole court. For if the king were to pledge his heart to the Sacred Heart of our Lord, then would the king of France lead nations to victory in the battles with his enemies and the enemies of the Church - soon to commence. Through the consecration, the King of France would be permitted to display the image of the Sacred Heart upon the royal standards and upon the kings’ arms. As the Lord of Hosts, the Sacred Heart would give to France and the nations with France under the banners of the Sacred Heart - victory.

    The French King Louis XIV declined as did Kings Louis XV and XVI. The bishops of France, did however make June 17 the Feast of the Sacred Heart to commemorate the anniversary of our Lord’s revelation to St Margaret Mary in 1689.

    June 17, 1789 on the centennial of the anniversary of the Feast, the Judaic Imperium inaugated the Great Revolution through its Masonic Agentur. The Third Estate proclaimed itself the National Assembly. They stripped King Louis XVI of his power and executed him by guillotine Jan 21, 1783.

    The masonic partisans and mercenaries of the Revolution began their work of burning parish churches, villages and butchering the population throughout France. Many priests went over to the Revolutionary gov’t and swore oath - incurring automatic excommunication of the pope. All over France, Catholics fought and died without the sacraments, even as Marie Antoinette refused the last rites from ‘juring priests’ before she went to the guillotine.

    In the north the peasants of the Vendee rose as one and fought the masonic Agentur of Jewry, fighting as Catholics have fought in every outbreak of the Revolution throughout Europe under the sign of the Sacred Heart. (The French Genocide of the Vendee by Reynald Secher) www://lefleurdelystoo.com/2008/10/french-genocide-vendee.html.

    This is the parallel the Sacred Heart draws in his statement to Sr Lucia. In his confidence, he does not refer to the Catholic monarchies. They were swept away in 18th and 19th century - at that time only Spain was left and the Revolution was in progress there. In 1931, the Sacred Heart referred to the Catholic hierarchy collectively (my ministers) and to the papacy of the Catholic Church (the Holy Father will have much to suffer). Like the King of France, they would follow him into misfortune because they declined the request of the Mother of God.

    So. The Chair of Peter was overthrown in Rome by the Masonic Agentur of Jewry working from within the College of Cardinals. In the Conclave of 1958, the true pope in law pope Gregory XVII was stood down and taken hostage and an antipapacy of Masonic Agentur was installed with Roncalli. They began the work of extinguishing the sacraments of the Catholic Church at Vatican II. They extinguished the sacrament of orders with the new ordinal in 1969.

    www.thepopeinred.com.

    And all of these false bishops of the Revolution will, of course, build the new one world ecumenical church for the NWO which is the victory of Communision in its classic Marxist sense.

  198. Fr. Joseph December 17, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

    Stav,

    What don’t you understand?

    There is a Creator.

    ALL Actions of the Creator are GRACE.

    All of creation is the result of God’s Grace AT WORK and MADE MANIFEST.

    New human lives created by God are the result of HIS DIVINE GRACE. Each CHILD in his or her mother’s womb is THERE and is being ‘WOVEN IN SECRET’ by a creative Act of God’s Divine and Holy Will.

    God’s Divine and Holy Will are GRACES of God.

    If the Creature creates gives lives of human beings who inherit a sinful nature on account of Original Sin - that SAME GOD is perfectly Divinely Capable of creating a new human life PERSERVED from the affects of Original Sin by HIS OWN DIVINE GRACES!

    “HAIL MARY - FULL OF GRACE - THE LORD IS WITH YOU.”

    So here you are Stav, in front of the whole RZN World, trying to tell all of us

    GOD IS IMPOTENT vs. Human Sinfulness - and -

    His Own Angels of Heaven like to practice DECEIT and LIES and perpetual MYTHS amongst and against the Human Race.

    “You Got A Problem, Pal. Time for an Examination of Conscience.”

    - Fr. Joseph

  199. Fr. Joseph December 17, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

    Stav,

    Must be the lingering Graces of my appointment as a Catechism Teacher by the Catholic Bishop of the Diocese of Orange, California about 25 years ago now that spurs me on to hand this to you for YOUR education and edification:

    “Some Christians may claim that this doctrine (of the Immaculate Conception) makes Mary INTO A GOD. SOMEHOW these people CONFUSE sinlessness with Divinity.” - from

    http://users.binary.net/polycarp/immac.html

    From my own point-of-view, I think I’m beginning to SEE INTO the spiritual problem you of the Orthodox Church here on RZN have.

    You’ve allowed your hostilities towards the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church to obtain a MUCH HIGHER STANDING and STATURE OF IMPORTANCE than the Creeds of the Church, the writings of the Early Church Fathers and even those of the Canon of the Church’s Sacred Christian Scriptures!

    That’s something YOU have to deal with way deep down inside of you. I can’t help you with that just like I can’t help you UNCLOG a drain in your home or apartment whereever it is that you are currently living.

    THAT is something ENTIRELY your own personal responsibility and within the scope of the employment of your own God-given spiritual faculty of FREE WILL.

    - Fr. Joseph

  200. Stav December 19, 2009 @ 8:31 am

    Dear Fr. Joseph,

    You say:

    “What don’t you understand?

    There is a Creator.

    ALL Actions of the Creator are GRACE.

    All of creation is the result of God’s Grace AT WORK and MADE MANIFEST.

    New human lives created by God are the result of HIS DIVINE GRACE. Each CHILD in his or her mother’s womb is THERE and is being ‘WOVEN IN SECRET’ by a creative Act of God’s Divine and Holy Will.”…

    Are you implying that simply because God the Creator created the Mary the Mother Of God, He also made her perfect because of this? What about Satan? He was a creation, and was created to be the highest and most holy Angel of all. Yet even he fell.

    What -you- do not seem to understand, is that Mary the Theotokos, was born in Sin, as part of of His Graceful plan, and not the other way around. It is in fact a Graceful gift He gave us, that She was born in Sin just like all of us. Your belief in the immaculate conception fallacy in akin to some ignorant question of the kind: “If God Loves us, why did He not create us perfect and free from sin?”

    The answer to this question and the issue of the immaculate conception is that by creating everyone perfect, there would not be any FREEDOM involved. And this FREEDOM to choose what you do with your life, is what adds value and if the right actions are taken you are worthy of the next life. Quite the opposite if we were all born perfect. If we were born perfect and with no sin, then what is the purpose of creation?

    If the Theotokos was born immaculately and remained free of sin throughout her life completely, then would you not claim (as you do already) that this was Gods will? But if thats the case, then WHY place any kind of respect towards Her, if it was not really up to Her that She was born perfect? That would make her a mindless, non free entity simply being born perfect into this world, just because God wished it to be so. A simple creation with no free will to sin if She would want to.

    Thus, by seeing Her as immaculate, you are in a strange and tragic way, both turning Her into some kind of Demi-Goddess, and at the same time, stripping Her of any grace and honor because what you essentially believe is that She had no choice in the matter at all, thus making her a simple, mindless “tool” withing your twisted view of God’s plan.

    And why cannot you see all of this? The answer is simple: You will not and cannot see this because if you did, your whole religious community called the Roman “church” would collapse because the basis of your ideology is the respective Popes, and once they are shown to be fallible and mere error prone confused/indoctrinated being, the rest of your community looses all its shine and glossiness and collapses in the status of a mere sect lost in its own illogical theories.
    You say:

    “Some Christians may claim that this doctrine (of the Immaculate Conception) makes Mary INTO A GOD. SOMEHOW these people CONFUSE sinlessness with Divinity.”

    Let me be slightly sarcastic. Yes, us Christians, claim this. You however, lost in your religious community, claim otherwise. It would be great if you would join us Christians and correct your faith. On a more serious note, this is true. What would stop Mary the Theotokos from saving human kind Herself if she was immaculate? Nothing, but since it is mentioned many times in the New testament, that ONLY JESUS CHRIST is without sin, and this is mentioned VERY clearly and and simply as possible more than once of twice, there is no such possibility.

    God’s Grace is expressed in ways that your “church”s worldly and materialistic view cannot comprehend. The plan outstretches time and space, Fr. Joseph and outstretches our own puny critical minds. Yet, in amazingly large contrast to your “church”, the original, unchanged and pure Church, has kept the correct perspective on all these matters, and thus it does not contradict it self nor its Holy tradition.

    Thus, since you are saturated and engulfed into the group you belong to right now, you will NEVER understand nor have an open enough mind to think about it honestly, because you are too afraid that your world will collapse and your precious Popes will be proven to be only human, fully fallible impostors. Thus, you refrain your self from facts, logic, the Holy Tradition and the obvious abominations associated with this religious community of yours. Until you stop depriving your self from free and clean, without passion and partiality thought you will NEVER see the beauty of the truth. And indeed it it beautiful and perfect.

    You say:

    “You’ve allowed your hostilities towards the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic Church to obtain a MUCH HIGHER STANDING and STATURE OF IMPORTANCE than the Creeds of the Church, the writings of the Early Church Fathers and even those of the Canon of the Church’s Sacred Christian Scriptures!”

    Dear Fr. Joseph, the Popes and yourself, are viewed by me as fellow brothers. I have no hostile feelings against you not even towards the Popes of whom some are killers of my own heritage in violent and evil ways, even today.

    On the other hand, I feel a profound repulsiveness and disgust towards what the Roman “church” stands for, which is domination of THIS WORLD, at the cost of a deteriorating faith and millions of lost and misdirected souls. You can also not expect me to bow my head to your Popes and so called “church” when I KNOW what they have done and are still doing.

    What you do NOT see, is my fellow Orthodox Christians and my life in Christ, which is not for you to see, but only Christs to know. Rest assured, I will not allow the Roman “church” dominate my life either in the negative or positive (if there even is such a thing) sense. First goes Christ, and His truth, and secondly anything else.

    You say:

    “That’s something YOU have to deal with way deep down inside of you. I can’t help you with that just like I can’t help you UNCLOG a drain in your home or apartment where ever it is that you are currently living.”

    You are desperately trying , as usual, to resort to your only potential method of success, which is to try to elicit an emotional response from me and the readers of this debate. This is Not going to work. Your lack of arguments, facts and impartial statements, are obvious. I have no particular spiritual problem as far as my view of Roman “catholics” are concerned.

    I feel no hate, rest assured. My only concern is the disgusting miss information and insulting degradation of Jesus Christ and His Mother you display by trying to convince people of your immaculate conception abomination. I simply cannot stay completely silent as you blaspheme (even though it is unknowingly done so by you as yo clearly do not understand the implications of your assertions) against my Lord and His mother.

    You say:

    “…within the scope of the employment of your own God-given spiritual faculty of FREE WILL….”

    As far as Free will goes, please see above. You obviously do not understand the significance of Free will.

    Fr. Joseph, here goes my clear and pure assertion to you, if you ignore this one, it is on your head, not mine:

    FACT1:
    John 6:53 (King James Version) JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD SPEAKING:

    53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

    FACT2:

    The Roman “catholic” (usurped Greek word, not really applicable) “church” (usurped word not really applicable), at the Council of Trent, 1545-1563 (Session 21, June 16, 1562) stated the abomination they call a canon thus:

    “CANON I.–If any one saith, that, by the precept of God, or, by necessity of salvation, all and each of the faithful of Christ ought to receive both species of the most holy sacrament not consecrating; let him be anathema.

    CANON III.–If any one denieth, that Christ whole and entire -the fountain and author of all graces–is received under the one species of bread; because that-as some falsely assert–He is not received, according to the institution of Christ himself, under both species; let him be anathema.”

    SO FR. JOSEPH, IS THE ROMAN CHURCH ANATHEMATIZING JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF HERE, OR HOW ELSE CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS? PLEASE SEE THE COMPOUNDING ERRORS IN YOUR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY AND REPENT.

    Can you see why we NEVER will see your community are a real Church unless your Pope and all Roman “catholics” repent of their enormous blasphemies?

    Stav

  201. Jenn December 19, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

    Thank you Stav for your responses backed with the King James.

    Fr. Joseph,

    ‘The Holy Father’ is the Lord God Jehovah, to say otherwise is blasphemy. ‘His Holiness’, reserved to the Godhood. The Pope, bishops, priests are acting like ‘another Jesus’ in many ways, not to mention the rudeness of confessionals. You are engaging in idol worship. The Vaticanus is corrupt, and doesn’t teach salvation but sacraments and bizarre ideas like purgatory.

    Mary was a sinner, she brought a sacrifice to offer originally, and you can’t talk to the dead…God warned you about that. It’s called necromancy, and demonic entities will respond which is what you are calling ‘Mary’. The last sign Christ said would be given from Him was His resurrection. Also, the mother-child religion is from Semiramis and Tammuz. You are engaging in goddess worship, the Godhood is male. Praying for the dead (their destiny is already sealed) or to the dead (necromancy) is strictly forbidden.

    Forbidding men and women to marry is against God’s command to be fruitful and multiply, Nimrod’s pagan priests didn’t marry.

    There is no intermediary between us and Christ, whether it be a priest or Mary. It’s the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Not ‘Joseph, Mary, and Jesus’…that’s really talking about the Satanic duo Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz. Catholicism is Satanic, and the ‘Holy See’ is the blind leading the blind. Pun intended. If you are upset at anything I mentioned, it’s because you are in full force pagan idolatry and don’t want to let go. It’s all vanity.

    My authority is Jesus Christ, and Him alone. Let no man deceive you through empty philosophy and vain deceit. Christ can forgive you know matter what, turn to Him in sorrow and repentance, He is long suffering and does not wish you to perish. Only He can set you free from the shackles of falsehood, the emptiness of sacraments, and the dangers of following the vanity of men. True salvation comes through Him, let no man keep you separated from the Lord!

    As for lost Jewish people in ‘high’ places and otherwise, they need the Gospel! Pray for those that curse you, pray for your enemies! Make sure we don’t have hate in our hearts, Christ said it’s the equivalent of murder. WE ALL FALL SHORT, and we all were unrepentant hellbound rebels before turning to Him. They are no different then we were, white sepulchres filled with dead man’s bones.

    Turn the other cheek means brush off your feet! and remember He said to rejoice when we are persecuted! highly suggest everyone read the parable of the seeds. I have to remind myself of this frequently.

  202. Stav December 20, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

    Dear Jenn,

    I appreciate your comment, although I am not in full agreement with you also. I will elaborate later as it is a bit too late for me right now.

    Suffice it to say for now, that your Protestant views which derive from a complete lack of understanding of Holy Tradition and a number of other things such as less that accurate understanding of the Scripture, are at fault. In addition there is a very typical, in the protestant style stripped-down version of Christianity apparent in you, which is so simplified, that it is much less than a bare minimum required.

    Your views on whether intercessors exist or not, can be proven wrong to you, based on Scripture alone. Sacraments (or Holy Mysteries as we call them) are also central, but because you have no concept on an unchanged and unbroken tradition, you see them as bizarre to say the least.

    I hope I can find the time to write something about this. The answer to the Roman “church” is not cold hard Protestantism in any of it’s thousands of forms, but rather the return to the original Church.

    Stav

  203. Lynda December 20, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

    It is clear to me that nothing will ever be settled by comparing signs / countersigns and wonders / lying wonders even if authentic miraculous witness to new creation carries an imprimatur of the bishop/s as ‘worthy of credence’.

    The Apostolic testament by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit bears witness to: the Lord Jesus Christ “whom heaven must receive until the time of the restitution of all things which God spoke by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
    Acts 3:21.

    Restitution here is apokatastasis and has the force of restoration of estates to rightful owners; a balancing of accounts.

    The appearances of the Mother of God which the Roman Catholic Church from the Holy See (St Peter - 1958 in Rome) imprimaturs as “Signum Magnum” (Apoc 11:19, 12:1)reveals the Blessed Virgin Mother of God as Arc of the Covenant and pertains to the Apostolic, Petrine witness of apokatastasis.

    Pope St Pius X referred to this Witness as Omnia Instaurare in Christo. All things to be restored in Christ before the consummation of the age.

    In her appearances at La Salette and Fatima, our Lady speaks of this. She reveals that her Immaculate Heart is the refuge for poor sinners who would persevere in the holy faith at the times when:

    the Church would be subverted.

    We see now that entire lines of apostolic succession were extinguished by the Revolutionary installation of false bishops beginning with France in 1789 and continuing through the Bolshevik Revolution. Post the antipapacy, 1958, in Rome the new ordinal has extinguished Apostolic Succession in the West through the foreswearing of Sacrorum Antistitum at the Vatican II Council and by false consecrations of bishops following the new ordinal.

    Only the hostage pope stated at the Vatican II Council (witnessed by the false bishops of the ‘Orthodox’ East installed by the Kremlin)

    “We will not be bound by these decrees.”

    I hope no one reading this is hoping to persevere in the holy faith by faithfully following the sacramental life of Holy Church (which is our Lord’s ordinary will) for our Christian life.

    The sacraments are extinguished and can be objectively demonstrated to be so. All churches are going into the one world, ecumenical church.

    So where is the refuge for poor sinners who would persevere in the holy faith? Our Lady answers this question decisively in her appearances.

    Her Immaculate Heart is the Arc of the Covenant were we are to take refuge together with what can be salvaged of Holy Tradition that we have from the time of the Apostles.

    Those who think this is a stupid or an insulting picture have not studied their own church history sufficiently to see how and where the sacraments of their own communion were extinguished. Or they are not sufficiently catechized to perceive that the Church has a sacramental life in our Lord’s ordinary will for the Church.

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