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- WHY JEWS SUPPORT BLACK CAUSES -
INTERVIEW WITH KEVIN MACDONALD PhD

By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2009

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DR KEVIN MACDONALD, AUTHOR, PSYCHOLOGIST AND HISTORIAN, is a Professor of Psychology at the California State University in Long Beach California.

As the author of several books, Kevin MacDonald outlines Jewry’s quest to destroy White Christian culture through intellectual movements, politics, and the mass media. His masterwork, The Culture Of Critique, can be ordered Here. (Read The Review, Here.)

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Brother Nathanael Kapner: Can you give us an overview of Jewry’s support for black causes?

Kevin MacDonald, PhD: Ever since the founding of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) in 1909, Jewish organizations have had a long standing record of supporting black causes.

Through the years and reaching a peak in the 1960s with the civil rights movement, Jewry’s activities in support of blacks have involved litigation, legislation, fund-raising, political-organizing, and academic movements. Jewish motives, however, can be discovered not in any real sympathy for the plight of blacks, but rather in their quest to achieve the eclipse of the political and cultural hegemony of white Americans.

Br Nathanael: How were Jews involved in the founding of the NAACP?

Kevin MacDonald: The NAACP was founded primarily by wealthy German Jews, with a Dr Henry Moscowitz, educated in Germany, being the principal founder. Although non-Jewish whites and some blacks such as W.E.B. DuBois were enlisted as co-founders so as to give the organization a broader racial presentation, the Jewish role was predominant in both the founding and development of the NAACP.

By 1915, the NAACP had something of the aspect of B’nai B’rith and the American Jewish Committee, with the brothers Joel and Arthur Spingarn, part of the German-Jewish aristocracy, serving as board chairman and legal counsel respectively. The German Jews, Jacob Schiff, the chief financier of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, and Paul Warburg, the chief architect of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank, were the financial angels.

Br Nathanael: Were Jews active in other black groups?

Kevin MacDonald: Wealthy Jews were major contributors to the National Urban League. Julius Rosenwald, whose wealth derived from Sears Roebuck & Company, gave huge amounts of money to the League.

Blacks played only a small role in both the National Urban League and the NAACP until the 1960s when they were presented as “leaders” during the civil rights movement.

For example, at the height of the Jewish-black alliance in the 1960s, the majority of the lawyers defending blacks in the protest movement in the South were Jews. Heavily Jewish organizations like the National Lawyers Guild and the American Civil Liberties Union, both with ties to the Communist Party, provided much of the legal talent for these endeavors.

Br Nathanael: You say that certain of these Jewish organizations had ties to the Communist Party?

Kevin MacDonald: Concern that Jewish communists were involved in the civil rights movement centered around the activities of a Stanley Levison, a key advisor to Martin Luther King.

Levison had close ties to both the Communist Party and the AJCongress. He was under investigation by the FBI for allegedly acting under communist discipline in his activities with King. View Photo Essay Here.

JEWRY’S INFILTRATION OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Br Nathanael: Can you tell us about Jewry’ infiltration into American public schools with regard to their black agenda?

Kevin MacDonald: In 1950, the American Jewish Committee produced a series of works in cooperation with leading universities collectively termed, “Studies in Prejudice.” The ostensible goal of this compilation was to establish support for an intellectually satisfying a priori theory of various forms of ethnic hostility. But the real aim was to censure all criticism of Jews as being acts of anti-Semitism.

These studies attempted to show that group affiliations of non-Jews, and in particular membership in Christian religious denominations, nationalism, and close family ties, were indicative of psychiatric and emotional disorders.

Evolving out of the Studies in Prejudice effort came to be what is known as the Intergroup Relations Movement. This movement provided the impetus for Jewish organizations to begin drafting legislation challenging bias in education, public employment, and housing.

Br Nathanael: Did this movement enter into the American education process?

Kevin MacDonald: Indeed it did. An important component of the Intergroup Relations Movement was promoting educational programs for students and teachers in order to reshape the intellectual discourse on race in the academic world.

Students were taught that manifestations of ethnocentrism, (except among Jews), and discrimination against outgroups, (except discrimination of whites by Jews), was to be viewed as a mental disease and to be treated as a public health problem.

By the early 1960s an ADL official estimated that one-third of America’s teachers had received educational material based on the ideology of the Intergroup Relations Movement.

Br Nathanael: What is the ultimate aim of the ADL and the other Jewish organizations in their infiltration of US public schools?

Kevin MacDonald: It is ironic that the efforts to promote black sympathies in the public schools is carried on by the very same groups who are determined to remove overt Christian influences in our schools.

The ADL continues to be a major promoter of “cultural diversity” in order to undermine Christian traditions through their DECEMBER DILEMMA Program and their WORLD OF DIFFERENCE Institute.

But when interviewed about their own motivations, Jews say that Jewish work on behalf of civil rights reflects the “universalist ethics” of Judaism.

This view totally ignores the history of the Jews as a tightly-closed ingroup with particular hostility towards the white Christian outgroup. White ethnocentrism along with white interests is pathologized by Jewry.

But when it comes to their own ethnocentrism and ethnic interests, like their support for the ethnostate of Israel, Jews use very different standards. It is high time for white Americans to stand up to American Jewry, fight for their own interests, and confront Jewish hypocrisy.

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  4. massi December 29, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

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  5. Hello December 29, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

    I have found this to be true, that Jewish psychologists and psychiatrists do try to break down the Christian family, turn family members against each other, get them to say negative things about each other, promote division over harmony and try to make the normal appear abnormal - while avariciously billing Christians for their worthless time and destroying peoples’ lives in the process.

    They promote their own family unity, ties, education & ethnic customs within their group though are frequent clients “on the couch” themselves.

    Christians should be aware that since Jews disparage and do not respect many Christian values, that Jews may not be good candidates to counsel Christians and that Gentile counselors trained the same way are not either.

    A Christian family should value its own culture and have relationship to God, community, education, work, achievement, and to observe Christian customs, holidays, family gatherings and close relationships.

    Any counselor who tries to undermine the normal functioning of these values should be dropped.

  6. massi December 29, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

    It would be wonderful if Dr. MacDonald would author a book, from a clinical psychology perspective, where in, he would document that “Jewishness” was psychological aberration; or, perhaps even a ‘type’ of mental illness.

    What would be even more wonderful, would be if his work garnered such acclaim within the medical community; that “Jewish” was entered into the official registry of mental illnesses, along with schizophrenia and bi-polar mania!

    Perhaps that would be more than could be hoped for. But at the same time, there are many in “Yiddom” who would have us believe that holding true to our Christian faith is just such. In all earnest, I truly believe that a psychologist, worth his salt, could make a good case for the fact that “Jewish” is, more than anything else, a form of insanity.

  7. massi December 30, 2009 @ 5:53 am

    Someone once gave the classic definition of “insanity” as: doing the same thing over again repeatedly; always expecting a different outcome.

    I don’t know if that would measure up to clinical psychological standards, by way of a definition; but it makes common sense to the common man. It seems that if one were to take the mind set of the Jew, and equate it into the factor of their history; then compare the historical record, as to what the outcome has always been; one would find that they are worse than mad.

    So much so, that the rest of humanity should actually be protected from them. I’m not a psych adept but it seems as though the idea of the word “pathological” somehow comes to mind, as pertaining to them. They have also, it seems, developed an elaborate method to their madness; in that they initiate elaborate means to try to avoid the end, which they already know will be the same, rather than change repetitious conduct.

    I’m not a psych adept, as I said; but surely there must be some out there that are; and that have enough expertise in ‘acys’ ‘isms’ and ‘ogicals’ to make the case for the collective insanity of the Jew. A simple example would be, what many call “skitzo”. If ‘Paddy Murphy’ showed up one day in a head dress and carrying a tomahawk, and said he was an Indian, and that every body should get off the land they stole from him; then, all would say, Paddy has gone “skitzo”.

    But, Gommer Ashkenazi can grow a beard, and act obnoxious, and tell everyone he’s Abraham’s child, and Palestine is his; but, is there really much difference? No, not really; except that Paddy Murphy is only one, and can be “handled” by the saner majority. But the Ashkenazi shows up with 100,000 just the same, and all with the same idea.

    It makes one wonder what the reaction would be if 100,000 Irishmen showed up on Staten Island, dressed like Indians, and insisted that everyone vacate their ancestral property. Again, isn’t there some kind of “complex” that is a mental imbalance to someone who must always try to denigrate others, and then raise himself above them, irrespective of the moral evidence?

    Or perhaps it is just the fact that people are fearful of the insane, and the Jews just naturally qualify. I wonder why they insist on a “hate crime” bill, but never try to have the “love laws” installed. The only draw back in trying to ‘figure out’ a crazy person, is that you might go crazy yourself in the process.

    But, out there somewhere, is the man with the knowledge, and the background, to apply all the working models to the state of mind called “Judaism” and make the case in detail, as to their collective madness, by way of clinically documented evidence, and case histories. When he does, I think he’ll be more famous than Sigmand Fraud.

  8. Dixie dawn December 30, 2009 @ 6:17 am

    In the popular literature 1940s and 1950s many goy psychiatrists noted that the new Jewish psychiatrists seemed preoccupied with their own genitals and with feces.

    The goy MDs were disgusted by these preoccupations.

  9. russ December 30, 2009 @ 8:49 am

    Another great interview BN.

    Dr. Mac has explained this Zionist plot to perfection. They love to cause tension and diversion among the goy and will use any means possible - after all they view everyone but themselves as expendible tools to further their agenda.

    I’m sure they pushed the immigration wave of illegals into this country for the same purpose, dumb down the education system to accomodate “cultural diversity”

    The attack on white Christian Values is their goal and it starts with our youth in the schools. Instead of raising up these minorities and challenging them to achieve, the public schools just keep lowering the standards for everyone, much to the delight of the Jew.

    Many years ago I sent my kids to private Catholic schools, and we are not Catholic, but we knew then that it was a much better educational enviroment. If I had kids today I would defenitly home school or find a private school for them, there is no way a kid should be subjected to this mind control garbage taught in public schools. Watch out, I bet soon there will be a bill to make home schooling illegal, after all they must “protect the children”.

    I think also a lot of Blacks are waking up and realize how their supposed “Jewish friends” are really exploiting them and WANT to keep them in poverty. The way Blacks are portrayed in movies and film is just disgraceful, lets hope high profile African Americans like Oprah and such can show the other dignified side of Black culture and give them pride and unity.

    America is built on many diverse cultural contributions, individual nationalities staying proud of their heritage. It will NOT thrive when everything is all jumbled together as a uniculture.

  10. marlis December 30, 2009 @ 8:53 am

    Massi, there is such a book. Though it is not by Kevin McDonald.

    It is called Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. The book is about psychopaths but if instead of the word ‘psychopaths’ you substitute the word ‘Jews’ it’s real meaning is clear.

  11. KathJuliane December 30, 2009 @ 9:36 am

    God bless you BN and welcome back.

    Christ is born!

    Great interview. I am very impressed with Dr. McDonald, his gentlemanly character and his good work.

    He gets his point across highly sensitive “race” issues very objectively - constantly pointing at the Jewish organic “system” in a way that any “race” — fill in the blank — anywhere in the world should be able figure out how they’ve been manipulated & exploited all through history by this same infernal system perfected by these demonic double-minded liars.

    May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you both!

  12. massi December 30, 2009 @ 9:42 am

    Having listened to your Christmas Eve podcast I can not agree more with Capt. Cortino’s comment “if this had been a Moslem production etc”. Patient endurance!

    I think that we should make a concerted effort to make known that the “Millenial Kingdom” will be populated by Resurrected Hebrews according to Ezekiel XXXVII. That these Beelzibub Yids, would or could ever embrace the Saviour is absolutely out of the question.

    Can you imagine the filthy Jews at the Epiphany? I think they’ll scream and blaspheme, gnaw their tongues and gnash their teeth and rush headlong over the cliff.

    I think it will take tremendous patience and endurance as the days go on. On the one hand to cope in the world that the Jews are crafting, and on the other to refrain from killing them outright against our Christian Faith.

  13. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 10:22 am

    There would be no argument whatsoever from the world’s legions of psychiatrists, psychologists, psychoanalysts and other associated ‘mental health specialists’ that a person would be deemed ‘INSANE’ and suffering from ‘INSANITY’ if he, she or they were no longer cognizant of REALITY or incapable of ACKNOWLEDGING real, true, substantial and ontologically present and made manifest artifacts registered to the human body’s five physical senses.

    In the case of ‘Judiasm’ - every year in Jerusalem, that the Church of the Holy Scepluchre, the GOD of Abraham, Issac, Jacob and MOSES dutifully HONORS His Divine Son JESUS’ Resurrection from the dead.

    Right now, right here available on the Internet are actual photos, videos and purely objective scientific investigations and analysis on the ‘Body and Blood’ of JESUS truly present in the Church’s Divine CHRISTIAN Sacrament of the Eucharist.

    And down through the centuries, one can review the many sorts and types of Supernatural Miracles in, with and amonst the Christian Church and amongst her members - both those of the Clergy and of the Laity - here on and with the Internet.

    To be CONFRONTED WITH the numerous types of REAL manifestations wrought by the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Issac, the GOD of Jacob, the GOD of Moses and GOD INCARNATE Himself JESUS - and to summarily REJECT them all to the point that they ACTUALLY ‘wage war’ on Christians the world over and on Christ Jesus’ One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic CHURCH - one simply has to ‘Face The Facts’ that those who cling onto and assert with all of their fury their ‘Judiasm’ are ALL ‘clinically INSANE’, their current religious cult of Judiasm in ‘INSANITY’ and that their religion of Judiasm seperates them all from and divorces all of them from ‘REALITY’.

    The Author, Creator, Sustainer and Maintainer of REALITY - which is God’s Own Creation, whether it is of the seen or Unseen variety - is GOD Himself.

    For the JEWS of our World and their ‘Judiasm’ to REJECT Reality is to engage in a cult/sect that induces various states of MENTAL DISORDER and the manifold types of self-made manifesting PSYCHO-PATHOLOGIES.

    In the final psycho-spiritual analysis, Judiasm as it now is and in how it conducts itself all across our contemporary World is DEVOID OF the Divine Light and Graces of God the Holy Spirit Who hovered over the formless and chaotic no-thing-ness and Who brought all things into Being and gave all things their Divine Order and Beauty.

    Hence, the only possible conclusion any RATIONALE religious, non-religious or IRreligious person can conclude is that contemporary Judiasm in the ‘Religion of God’s own spiritual enemy’ - and that God’s own spiritual enemy has NO INTENTION WHATSOEVER of seeing to it that God’s Divine, All-good and Holy Will is REALIZED here upon this planet earth of His Creating and for the entire Human Race Who our All-good God and Father in Heaven LOVES SO MUCH that He sent His Only Eternally Begotten Son JESUS into our World to be OUR Savior.

    The JEWS of our World DO NOT what our World and our Human Race ‘SAVED’ in order to bring about God’s All-good Divine and HOLY WILL for all the peoples of all the nations adn states of our contemporary World.

    Now THAT is psycho-spiritual INSANITY made manifest to and for ALL the peoples of our World of ANY race, color, nationality, etc.

    If the JEWS want to make themselves psycho-spiritual ENEMIES of our All-good God and Father in Heaven - if THEY want to ‘take on GOD Himself’ - THAT act on their parts is likewise an ‘ACT OF INSANITY’!

    How GOD HIMSELF intends to deal with this particular segment of the Human Race in their overt and ‘in-Your-Divine-Face-REBELLION!’ of theirs - well, that is entirely up to God Himself.

    May OUR God provide all of us who are being currently ‘plotted against’ and ‘crucified’ by these ENEMIES OF GOD His Divine Help and Protection for the rest of us members of the Human Race who STILL BELIEVE it is God’s Divine and Holy Will to bring about GOODNESS throughout our World and our very own Human Race.

    As St. Paul himself teaches with Apostolic Authority from God Himself - we are to be CO-REDEEMERS with God in this MOST WICKED AGE.

    - Fr. Joseph

    “The World Struggle is NOT political or economic. Rather, it is RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL. It is either God or atheism.”
    - U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur to visiting Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan

  14. Mariano December 30, 2009 @ 10:49 am

    Hello everybody,

    Though some or many Zionists could be thinking in racial terms, I seriously think you all should quit using the expression “white Christian values”, for there is no such category in the Holy Scriptures.

    Do you seriously believe in that WASP portrait of Jesus so popular in the US?

    I repeat, there is no such thing like “white Christian values”. There are values that are Christian (according to the Spirit of Jesus Christ) and values that are un-Christian and mostly anti-Christ.

    Remember that we will reap that what we have sown…

    May the Lord Jesus Christ give wisdom to His flock

  15. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 11:02 am

    Re this comment:

    - U.S. 5 Star General Douglas MacArthur to visiting Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen in Allied Occupied Japan

    I have read that the Catholic cathedral in Hiroshima was used as the ground zero target site for the nuclear bomb dropped by the US. is that true?

  16. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 11:07 am

    Here are some comments I wrote to Prof. Bruce Chilton of Bard College about a book he just published purporting to expose the biblical roots of violence in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam:

    Prof. Chilton,

    I saw something in your book that I found very disturbing. This is your contention that the crucifixion account in the New Testament is a mimickry of the Jewish Midrashim that claim that Isaac was executed on Mt. Moriah.

    Do you really believe this? It is astonishing that you would claim that the verifiable historical fact of Jesus’ Crucifixion is but a mimickry of an unverifiable Jewish Midrashic fantasy!

    How do you even know that these Midrashim were not written after the time of Jesus, in a desperarte atttempt to negate the significance of Jesus’ death on the cross and to co-opt that heroic sacrifice back into Pharisaic Judaism?

    The Talmudic rabbis seem to make up for their cowardice with their brazenness. Where do you read in the Talmud of a “rabbinic sage” ever confronting the corrupt Temple priesthood or the equally corrupt and brutal Herodian rulers? Yet this is exactly what Jesus and John the Baptist did!

    Too bad your book cannot bother to report the truth and separate clearly Christian fact from Jewish fantasy.

    I wondered how you were able to publish a book, in Zionist-controlled America of today, that purports to deplore the Biblical roots of Jewish violence. But now I understand very clearly what your book actually is all about.

    It is a back-door attempt to discredit the veracity of the Gospel accounts. You endeavor to confuse your readers by claiming the primacy of Jewish Midrashic claims that Isaac died on Mt. Moriah under Abraham’s sacrificial knife, and you leave them wondering if the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ death on the Cross are just fictional fantasy and mimickry.

    What an evil thing you have done, Prof. Chilton.

    Woe to you who confuse darkness with light and evil with good. Woe to you who serve as a stumbling stone for the innocent and naive.

    You will yet have your comuppance. I suspect the brutal murder outside your church may have been the LORD warning you about the vile heresies you have penned in your various pompous scholarly studies: calling Jesus a fat glutton, Paul a man with an allure for prostitutes, and now telling us that Jesus’ crucifixion was just a cheap imitation of Isaac’s fictional death on Mt. Moriah!

    REPENT!

    In Christ,
    Michael Korn

    On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Michael Korn wrote:

    Some minor corrections:

    Dear Professor Chilton,

    My wife bought me your latest book, Abraham’s Curse, for Christmas, and since the weather was rainy over Christmas, I spent a part of the day reading through it. I have not completed it by any means, but I do have some initial thoughts and impressions I wish to convey to you.

    First a small error on page 5 where you refer to the son of Rabbi Kahane as “Binyamin Zevson”. I think this must be a typo, for his name was Binyamin Zev.

    Second, I wonder if you think the apparent linguistic similarity between Aqeda and Al Qaeda is purely fortuitous?

    Third, I am not sure why you entitled this book “Abraham’s Curse” rather than “Abraham’s Test”. But perhaps I need to read further.

    Fourth, your comments on page 219 about the atrocities committed by atheistic regimes in the 20th century is the very point made by Phillip Johnson in his Stanford University debate with Cornell atheistic-biologist William Provine. But I don’t think that religion can be so easily exonerated.

    For perhaps the only reason that the Thirty Years War was not more brutal, is that the adversaries did not have access to the spectacularly efficient killing technologies of the modern age. Furthermore, considering that the US, a self-identified Christian nation, has a military budget equal to all other nations on earth combined and maintains a huge array of 1000 foreign military bases, I don’t think you can avoid facing the clear association between religiously inspired warfare in our own culture.

    I do appreciate very much that you have tackled this vexing problem. I recall a number of years ago when my wife and I attended a small gentle spirited church that avoided all forms of political flag-waving usually associated with the large evangelistic churches.

    One Sunday the pastor had to be away at a conference, and he asked two “elders” to officiate. They were both military veterans and they used the occasion to promote the basest form of patriotism and jingoistic flag waving. In his sermon, one related how General Patton insisted that his soldiers all wear ties so they would “look good when they died for their country”. He then equated this level of sacrifice with that of Jesus on the Cross. At this remark I bristled and prepared to confront him.

    After the service I asked him if he had ever considered the absurdity that, in World War I, almost all the adversarial nations were Christian, and that millions of Christians killed and died at each other’s hands in that brutal conflict. Without batting an eyelash, he jauntily replied that only the US and its allies were “true Christians”, while Germany, Austria, and Italy were “false Christian”. (This is World War I, may I remind you.)

    I also asked him if he could not perceive that the “enemy” felt just as threatened by us as we did by them. All he could do was shout about needing to protect our wives and daughters from foreign rapists. I felt truly saddened by this encounter, and indeed spiritually raped by his lack of compassion and discernment.

    Finally I asked him if he wishes to see the soldiers as “examples of Christ”, is he willing to carry the metaphor to its logical conclusion and see the Generals, Politicians, and Bankers who profit from the deaths of these men as the moral equivalents of Pontius Pilate, the pagan Roman military, and the Sadducess and Pharisees? He just looked at me blankly!

    (All I could think is that the officials over at the Pentagon must rejoice over such brain-dead and undiscerning pastors as these two. When the service ended, I half-expected to find a Pentagon recruiter waiting in the social hall.)

    This brings me to my main point. I realize that you try to deal even handedly with all the main Abrahamic faiths in your book, and of course there have been many violent atrocities committed by so called Christian nations. But I believe that Jesus left a clear legacy of teaching condemning any form of violence at all.

    I think that Christians simply are unwilling and too fearful to carry His commission to its logical conclusion. He told people not to oppose evil with evil and not to bear weapons. And note that at the Final Supper, when He told his disciples to purchase swords because now they were being viewed by the authorities as wicked, when one of them brandished two knives Jesus said “That is enough.”

    Thus even in this case it seems difficult to assert that Jesus was condoning self defense or militarism, rather than speaking ironically.

    At any rate, I think there is a big difference between the martyrdom of Jesus and that of Samson. In the former case Jesus was a sacrificial lamb who had physically threatened nobody; while in the latter Samson was a violent and passionate man whose death seems an early harbinger of suicide martyrs of today.

    Spirituality demands self-sacrifice and heroic renunciation of ego, which Christ amply demonstrates. The problem is that His followers fail repeatedly to demonstrate that level of self renunciation especially when financial exigencies compel them to collude with the ruling authorities and power elites.

    Finally, I wish to state that all the cases of religious violence you cite, of McVeigh, Amir, and Atta, are all subject to huge amounts of evidence that these people did not act alone and that, in fact, they were pawns of the power elite.

    When you write that the peace dividend when the Soviet Union fell was never realized and that the Cold War “seamlessly morphed” into a war on Islam, you seem to fail to recognize the simplest explanation that the military industrial complex provides its own rationale for existence and is not willing to be put out of business.

    I am not certain that you need to look into all sorts of arcane psycho-spiritual explanations of Abraham on Mt. Moriah about the evident death wish of Western Civilization. The reason seems all too mundane: that for certain elites in our society war not only pays, but it pays handsomely indeed. This applies to both the military industrial complex and to the banking industry that eagerly finances the deficit war budgets, along with their political concubines and enablers.

    Abraham and Isaac on Mt. Moriah did not demonstrate the desirability of murder so much as self –sacrifice; Abraham in sacrificing his own dreams of having Godly offspring, and Isaac more obviously sacrificing himself. But there is no necessary sanction for murderous atrocities in this story.

    Isaac, as the son of the promise and the product of a miraculous birth that defied the laws of nature, simply was recognizing that ego means nothing in the face of total Divine Providence. Nowhere in this story can one find sanction to go out and kill others who differ from oneself. Not even in self-defense.

    These are my initial impressions of your book.

    Sincerely,

    Michael Korn

  17. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 11:11 am

    These are some comments I wrote to a religious Jewish critic on a youtube site:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNpErJ_C5k&feature=PlayList&p=08DE91D030F34519&index=15

    Some answers to your questions by the Grace of God!
    שמואל אריה היקר

    Please read these answers prayerfully. God loves you and wishes to elevate you to a higher level of faith and service. Also, here are some excellent websites for more information:

    www.MessianicGoodNews.org
    [www.kerenahvah.org/]
    [www.Yeshua.co.il]
    [www.JesusFactorFiction.org]
    [www.media.inspirationalfilms.com/player/?f=hbr00-494-hebrew-js.mp4]

    ShmuelAryeh has replied to your comment on Shir La’ma’alot - Yosef Karduner (Tehilim 121):

    א Please tell me where crucifixion is mentioned as a punishment in Halachah?

    It is alluded to by remez in Genesis 22:
    וַיֹּאמֶר הִנֵּה הָאֵשׁ וְהָעֵצִים וְאַיֵּה הַשֶּׂה לְעֹלָה.

    “The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”
    עצים, היינו עצי הצלב

    Or tell me whether a man has a duty to bury his father or not?

    Yes, but two answers:

    (1) Yeshua did not mean literally not to bury his father, since the person He addressed obviously could not have been an אונן since if so he was forbidden to listen to Divray Torah and he would not have been in the company of Yeshua in the first place.

    The question was meant as an expression to set one’s affairs in order and to receive his inheritance, after which with that financial security he thought he could safely follow Yeshua. But Yeshua told him to throw caution to the wind and to follow him NOW, much as Elijah instructed Elisha in 1 Kings 19:

    יט וַיֵּלֶךְ מִשָּׁם וַיִּמְצָא אֶת-אֱלִישָׁע בֶּן-שָׁפָט, וְהוּא חֹרֵשׁ, שְׁנֵים-עָשָׂר צְמָדִים לְפָנָיו, וְהוּא בִּשְׁנֵים הֶעָשָׂר; וַיַּעֲבֹר אֵלִיָּהוּ אֵלָיו, וַיַּשְׁלֵךְ אַדַּרְתּוֹ אֵלָיו.

    כ וַיַּעֲזֹב אֶת-הַבָּקָר, וַיָּרָץ אַחֲרֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ, וַיֹּאמֶר אֶשְּׁקָה-נָּא לְאָבִי וּלְאִמִּי, וְאֵלְכָה אַחֲרֶיךָ; וַיֹּאמֶר לוֹ לֵךְ שׁוּב, כִּי מֶה-עָשִׂיתִי לָךְ.

    כא וַיָּשָׁב מֵאַחֲרָיו וַיִּקַּח אֶת-צֶמֶד הַבָּקָר וַיִּזְבָּחֵהוּ, וּבִכְלִי הַבָּקָר בִּשְּׁלָם הַבָּשָׂר, וַיִּתֵּן לָעָם, וַיֹּאכֵלוּ; וַיָּקָם, וַיֵּלֶךְ אַחֲרֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ–וַיְשָׁרְתֵהוּ.

    19 So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.

    20 And he left the oxen, and ran after Elijah, and said, Let me, I pray thee, kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow thee. And he said unto him, Go back again: for what have I done to thee?

    21 And he returned back from him, and took a yoke of oxen, and slew them, and boiled their flesh with the instruments of the oxen, and gave unto the people, and they did eat. Then he arose, and went after Elijah, and ministered unto him.

    (2) the other answer is that since Yeshua is like a High Priest who cannot bury even his own father and mother, and since Yeshua’s apostles and followers are His emissaries (shalichim) and the principle is that a man’s representative is like him in all respects שליח אדם כמוהו; therefore in this sense even if the questioner were an onayn, he would not be permitted to bury his father. Yeshua was answering him with irony:

    Leviticus Chapter 21
    י וְהַכֹּהֵן הַגָּדוֹל מֵאֶחָיו אֲשֶׁר-יוּצַק עַל-רֹאשׁוֹ שֶׁמֶן הַמִּשְׁחָה, וּמִלֵּא אֶת-יָדוֹ, לִלְבֹּשׁ, אֶת-הַבְּגָדִים–אֶת-רֹאשׁוֹ לֹא יִפְרָע, וּבְגָדָיו לֹא יִפְרֹם.
    יא וְעַל כָּל-נַפְשֹׁת מֵת, לֹא יָבֹא: לְאָבִיו וּלְאִמּוֹ, לֹא יִטַּמָּא.

    10 And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes;

    11 Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;

    Or tell me where the sacrifices are told by us by HaShem to be done?

    On Mt. Moriah, where Yeshua was condemned to death by the Sanhedrin. However the Para Aduma was killed outside the camp, and Yeshua is like the Parah Adumah, making the impure clean but making those who think they are already pure unclean, since they have rejected the Messiah:

    Mark 2:16-17:

    16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

    17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    John 6:40:

    And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    ד Or tell me whether humans are accepted as sacrifices according to Torah?

    From Psalm 116:
    יָקָר בְּעֵינֵי יְהוָה הַמָּוְתָה לַחֲסִידָיו
    Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

    ה Or tell me which sacrifices were told be brought?

    From Isaiah 53:

    א מִי הֶאֱמִין, לִשְׁמֻעָתֵנוּ; וּזְרוֹעַ יְהוָה, עַל-מִי נִגְלָתָה. 1 ‘Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed?

    ב וַיַּעַל כַּיּוֹנֵק לְפָנָיו, וְכַשֹּׁרֶשׁ מֵאֶרֶץ צִיָּה–לֹא-תֹאַר לוֹ, וְלֹא הָדָר; וְנִרְאֵהוּ וְלֹא-מַרְאֶה, וְנֶחְמְדֵהוּ. 2 For he shot up right forth as a sapling, and as a root out of a dry ground; he had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, nor beauty that we should delight in him.

    ג נִבְזֶה וַחֲדַל אִישִׁים, אִישׁ מַכְאֹבוֹת וִידוּעַ חֹלִי; וּכְמַסְתֵּר פָּנִים מִמֶּנּוּ, נִבְזֶה וְלֹא חֲשַׁבְנֻהוּ. 3 He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

    ד אָכֵן חֳלָיֵנוּ הוּא נָשָׂא, וּמַכְאֹבֵינוּ סְבָלָם; וַאֲנַחְנוּ חֲשַׁבְנֻהוּ, נָגוּעַ מֻכֵּה אֱלֹהִים וּמְעֻנֶּה. 4 Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

    ה וְהוּא מְחֹלָל מִפְּשָׁעֵנוּ, מְדֻכָּא מֵעֲו‍ֹנֹתֵינוּ; מוּסַר שְׁלוֹמֵנוּ עָלָיו, וּבַחֲבֻרָתוֹ נִרְפָּא-לָנוּ. 5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.

    ו כֻּלָּנוּ כַּצֹּאן תָּעִינוּ, אִישׁ לְדַרְכּוֹ פָּנִינוּ; וַיהוָה הִפְגִּיעַ בּוֹ, אֵת עֲו‍ֹן כֻּלָּנוּ. 6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.

    ז נִגַּשׂ וְהוּא נַעֲנֶה, וְלֹא יִפְתַּח-פִּיו, כַּשֶּׂה לַטֶּבַח יוּבָל, וּכְרָחֵל לִפְנֵי גֹזְזֶיהָ נֶאֱלָמָה; וְלֹא יִפְתַּח, פִּיו. 7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; yea, he opened not his mouth.

    ח מֵעֹצֶר וּמִמִּשְׁפָּט לֻקָּח, וְאֶת-דּוֹרוֹ מִי יְשׂוֹחֵחַ: כִּי נִגְזַר מֵאֶרֶץ חַיִּים, מִפֶּשַׁע עַמִּי נֶגַע לָמוֹ. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.

    ט וַיִּתֵּן אֶת-רְשָׁעִים קִבְרוֹ, וְאֶת-עָשִׁיר בְּמֹתָיו; עַל לֹא-חָמָס עָשָׂה, וְלֹא מִרְמָה בְּפִיו. 9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.’

    י וַיהוָה חָפֵץ דַּכְּאוֹ, הֶחֱלִי–אִם-תָּשִׂים אָשָׁם נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה זֶרַע יַאֲרִיךְ יָמִים; וְחֵפֶץ יְהוָה, בְּיָדוֹ יִצְלָח. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand:

    יא מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע–בְּדַעְתּוֹ יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי, לָרַבִּים; וַעֲו‍ֹנֹתָם, הוּא יִסְבֹּל. 11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities he did bear.

    יב לָכֵן אֲחַלֶּק-לוֹ בָרַבִּים, וְאֶת-עֲצוּמִים יְחַלֵּק שָׁלָל, תַּחַת אֲשֶׁר הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת נַפְשׁוֹ, וְאֶת-פֹּשְׁעִים נִמְנָה; וְהוּא חֵטְא-רַבִּים נָשָׂא, וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים יַפְגִּיעַ. {פ} 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. {P}

  18. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 11:15 am

    letter to a Jewish Renewal rabbi about a favorable article he wrote about Jesus answer to the question about paying taxes to Caesar.

    his article here:
    http://www.theshalomcenter.org/node/1504

    my response here:

    Dear Rabbi Waskow,

    I have been reading a very interesting commentary on the life of Jesus by Scottish theologian William Barclay, called The Mind of Jesus. In chapter 10 he discusses Jesus as the Master Teacher. I thought you would find this discussion inspiring.

    I also would like to ask you about your comment to me that, although you honor Jesus’ teaching about the image on Caesar’s coin, you do not accept that He was Messiah. I would like to ask you how you know which stories about Jesus to accept from the New Testament and which to reject? And what gives you the liberty to make such judgments?

    I also wonder if your spirit is not somehow stirred to conviction by your own admission that, while the Talmudic rabbis taught a similar idea about the image on the coin, only Jesus had the courage to confront the corrupt Temple priesthood with this truth.

    Do you not think that this kind of courage could well be part of the essential difference between even an exceptional teacher of Israel and Israel’s very Messiah? And if not, why not?

    Where do we read in all the Talmud that the Jewish Sages ever stood up to oppose the corruption of the Temple priesthood and the Herodian rulers? Just the opposite: it would seem that Herod’s rebuilding of the Jerusalem Temple, of which the Western Wall today is a faint remainder, served as a giant shochad (bribe) to blind the eyes and stop the ears and seal the mouths and hearts of the Jewish sages of that time.

    It seems plain to me that you are unwilling to admit the essential courage and spiritual grandeur of Jesus of Nazareth, perhaps out of envy, perhaps out of fear of judgment from your Jewish followers, only God can know. And truly I admit that for an ordained rabbi to confess Jesus as Messiah is an enormous test.

    And even though I probably know as much rabbinic material as you do, the fact that I was never officially ordained and never had a position of prestige within the organized Jewish community made it much easier for me to embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior than for a person in your own situation.

    Also, after having lived for 18 years as a Charedi Jew in Israel, I can state with absolute conviction that the Christian notion of Messiah is much more logical and sensible than the Jewish notion. As you know, Jews believe that when Messiah comes God will magically eradicate, as it were, the impulse to do evil in the world, as though with the snap of His fingers or the twisting of some Heavenly button all evil will disappear from the experience of mankind on earth.

    The Jewish notion of Messiah sounds like a sheer fairy tale (and a convenient excuse, as well, to do nothing to advance the Kingdom of God on earth and to leave all the hard work to “deluded Gentiles”).

    Christianity, however, presents a Messiah who grants the inner peace to eradicate sin from within each and every person, and who then sends us forth on a task to teach the entire world about this precious Truth. Surely as a rabbi you can appreciate that the necessity of teaching a truth to a stubbornly ignorant and unenlightened public does not make that truth somehow less worthy or valid.

    It seems to me that in mocking the supernatural claims of Jesus of Nazareth to be Israel’s Messiah and Savior of the world, you have embraced a ridiculous and childish fairytale-cum-myth about God arbitrarily eliminating evil from the world regardless of how uncooperative and malign human behavior might be.

    Your proud boast of adhering to a “more rational” faith than Christianity leads you to the absurd situation of advocating a totally unreasonable, irrational, and spurious spiritual endgame.

  19. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 11:20 am

    The link to the Jesus Film in Hebrew should be:

    http://media.inspirationalfilms.com/player/?f=hbr00-494-hebrew-js.mp4

  20. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 11:22 am

    Dear Mariano,

    You’re right. Divine Revelation was given to ALL of Mankind in order TO BE USED and TO BE IMPLEMENTED by all the peoples of all the nations of our world. And God DID happen to ‘Like’ creating human beings with ‘white’ skin, with ‘black’ skin, with ‘yellow’ skin, with ‘red’ skin’ with ‘olive’ skin.

    But I believe the term used here ‘white Christian values’ is a nostalgic reference to the now long-gone cultural civilization of ‘ChristenDOM’ which covered the vast regions of the European and Eurasian continents whereabout the vast majority of the human populace might be generically described as belonging to the ‘Caucasian’ races - Slavs, Germanics, Franks, Spaniards, Italians, Anglos, Saxons, etc.

    Lest people forget, prior the rise of Islam and the ensuing slaughtering off and subjugation of the manifold heritage of peoples all across NORTH AFRICA, North Africa was predominately CHRISTIAN as well.

    There were 352 CHRISTIAN CHURCH DIOCESES all across North Africa each with its own Bishop. But AFTER Islam “sterilized” North Africa of ‘ChristenDOM’, there remained but a handful of Christian Dioceses across North Africa.

    Hence, the Christians got a ‘wee bit UPSET’ over this Islamic invasion and slaughtering off of Christians and Christendom finally said to itself ‘ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!’ - and the Crusades began.

    But of course, in our anti-Christian World of 2009 Anno Domini, so many point to ‘The Crusades’ as the result of the BIG, NASTY, BRUTISH, PIG-HEADED Christian Church while choosing to OVERLOOK the vicious and violent MAYHEM the Islamic cult/sect leaders of that time were causing to an entire continent!

    Again, if MOHAMMED had gone to the Patriarch of JERUSALEM and personally taken the time TO WITNESS the Miracle of Holy Fire back in the 600’s and had NOT gone to a heretical JEWISH sect of ‘The Ebionites’ to get this RELIIGOUS instruction on and about the Divine Person of JESUS Christ - ALL OF US wouldn’t have to UNTANGLE this stupid mess BOTH these ‘Jewish’ and ‘Islamic’ leaders have CAUSED for the entire Human Race down through the centuries!

    - Fr. Joseph

  21. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 11:32 am

    i concur with this statement:

    Mariano

    December 30, 2009 @ 10:49 am

    Hello everybody,

    Though some or many Zionists could be thinking in racial terms, I seriously think you all should quit using the expression “white Christian values”, for there is no such category in the Holy Scriptures.

    Do you seriously believe in that WASP portrait of Jesus so popular in the US?

    I repeat, there is no such thing like “white Christian values”. There are values that are Christian (according to the Spirit of Jesus Christ) and values that are un-Christian and mostly anti-Christ.

    Remember that we will reap that what we have sown…

    May the Lord Jesus Christ give wisdom to His flock.

  22. Anthony Clifton December 30, 2009 @ 11:46 am

    The Jewish Encyclopedia, states:

    “EDOM IS IN MODERN JEWRY.” (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41)
    Which is a true statement, based on the above information that we have seen in the Scriptures. The Jews know this and they know they are not Israelites because they have admitted it, both here and in: Under the heading of “A brief History of the Terms for Jew” in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following:

    “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (A brief History of the Terms for Jew, in the 1980 Jewish Almanac)
    [http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=127972;title=APFN]….Truth is hate to those that hate the Truth !

  23. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 11:58 am

    Now regarding this contemporary secular psycho-spiritual “religion” of Psychology, it was the NON-Christian and VERY nominally JEWISH psychoanalyst and university professor of Psychology who himself declared this of Psychology - paraphrasing from memory:

    “Psychology, in its desire to be established as a ‘Science’ made the horrendous blunder of divorcing ETHICS and MORALITY from the the necessity of human health, wellbeing and happiness.”

    You can all find that statement regarding Psychology by Dr. Erich Fromm in this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Man-Himself-Inquiry-Psychology-Ethics/dp/0805014039

    So a couple of thoughts for everyone to consider with respect to a (Jewish) secular psycho-spiritual “religion” of Psychology vs. God Incarnate’s Divine Revelation, Church and Religion…

    - Fr. Joseph

  24. Aaron December 30, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

    I read a lot of this stuff here and on rense.com and never is there any suggestion to love our enemies as Christ instructed.

    While these websites make valid points about the Zionist political machine and their awful actions, I think this puts hate in people’s hearts which is against what we know to be right - I’m guilty of this myself.

    We must be careful and not stoke the fires of our own anger and trust that the Lord will take His vengeance in His own time, not ours.

  25. ProtestingAnt December 30, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

    Timely article Bro,

    Are you, or is anyone here, familiar with the Black Isrealite movement?

    My wife is having a running argument with these folks on Facebook. Has the deception gone on so long and so deeply that these people actually believe they are the “true Israelites”?

    I really don’t know the size of this “movement”, but it appears to be substantial.

    It looks like a true case of the victims taking on the identity of their oppressors.

    It really is funny how they have twisted history and the Scriptures to come to their illogical conclusions. I suppose the election of the Usurper has emboldened them.

  26. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

    Dear Aaron,

    In the Christian Church’s “classical” teachings on and about human MORALITY and ETHICS, there are seven (7) Corporeal (Physical) Acts of Mercy as well as seven (7) Spiritual Acts of Mercy.

    Two of the seven ‘Spiritual Acts of Mercy’ is “TO WARN THE SINNER” as well as “TO INSTRUCT THE IGNORANT”.

    If YOU know that by walking off the ROOF of a 10 story building one winds up being SMASHED TO BITS upon the body’s impact with the ground below ON ACCOUNT OF God’s natural physical forces of GRAVITY - and YOU see a person or a group of people being LED TO go right on and WALK OFF the edge of the roof this 10 story building - God EXPECTS US to do what we can in order TO WARN as well as TO STOP that person, those people, from ‘Walking Off The Edge Of The Roof’!

    While ONE man or woman cannot physically restrain ‘a herd’, ‘a mob’ of PEOPLE being marched off the edge of the roof of a 10 story building - it might very well take 100, 1,000, or perhaps 10,000 people TO STOP this other group of people being led to march off the roof of a 10 story building.

    It is NECESSARY for all of us to SPEAK THE TRUTH to one another - and we simply MUST keep on speaking the TRUTH over and over and over again - in a ‘Merciful Attempt’ TO STOP maybe 1 or 10 or perhaps 100 of these 10,000 people being MISLED and led to MARCH OFF the edge of the roof of a 10 story building.

    God Himself asked Cain ‘Where is YOUR brother?’

    But Cain answered God ‘AM I MY BROTHER’S KEEPER?’

    With Jesus Himself having Divinely Revealed that GOD is OUR Father in Heaven - then yep, everyone around us IS our “brother” and IS our “sister”.

    All of us - in the Church, throughout the Church’s Hierarchy, in the nations and states of our World, those in those nations and states governmental Hierarchies - we ALL SEE what is currently going on in and throughout our World.

    All of us - to whatever degree, power, influence, talents and resources GOD has entrusted to us - have A PART and A DUTY to do what WE can, individually and collectively, in order TO SAVE Mankind from the lies, myths, deceptions, machinations, conspiracies and evil intentions implanted in too many people by Satan and his elemental demonics.

    - Fr. Joseph

  27. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

    Br. Nathanael,

    I will try to keep this comment much more on topic. Forgive me for the long posts above, but it is so hard to untangle the webs of deceit we all live within today.

    Regarding Jewish affinity for blacks, I agree that it is mainly a cultural weapon against Christianity. Most Jews react with horror at the thought of their children marrying a black man or woman. There are exceptions of course.

    The Orthodox Jewish community is particularly insensitive to black interests. Even in Israel the charedim generally ignore the black (Ethiopian) Jews, even those who practise Orthodox Judaism.

    In America, because Orthodox Jews generally are lower middle class or poor, they often live in black areas and come into frequent conflict. Witness the Lubavitchers in Crown Heights.

    When I visited the Lubavitcher community back in 1990, in the taxi from the airport my Palestinian (!) driver warned me not to stray to the north side of the main avenue, because that’s where all the blacks lived.

    When I lived in Jerusalem back in the 1980s, I had a friend originally from Detroit who was ultra-Orthodox. He told me of the first time he brought his kids back there to see his parents. They were very young and in the Detroit airport, when they saw blacks for the first time in their lives, they blurted out: “Abba, look at those big black goys!” My friend feared the worst, but he also thought it was funny.

    Where I live in North Carolina there are a number of prominent blacks who converted and are members of the local Reform Jewish synagogue. They seem to be respected.

    In the end I think it is more about money than race. The rich tend to get along and to despise the poor, whatever the racial mix. And wealthy blacks can be co-opted into the white power elite just as well as anyone.

    Finally, and perhaps this will strike you as odd or even unreasonable, but in my experience living in Israel for 20 years, secular Israelis have much admiration for Christianity and potentially are very close to embracing the broader values of Christian society than the Orthodox Jews.

    This is for a variety of reasons, including respect for the economic value of Christian tourism and for the financial largesse of the US and Germany toward Israel. Israeli soldiers visit the Garden Tomb and learn of Jesus’ resurrection as part of the cultural education programs conducted by the IDF for every conscript. And while the Orthodox rabbinate does have great power in Israel, this is largely for political reasons. The average Israeli does not like Orthodox Judaism, views Orthodox Jews as parasites and their rabbis as troublemakers and political opportunists.

    Were it not for the continuing problems of the injustices meeted out to the Palestinians, in many ways Israel could be embraced as a kind of beachhead for the ongoing Christian Crusade against Islam. I think that Zionist Israel also serves as a kind of quasi Vatican for American Evangelical Protestants.

    The situation with the Orthodox Jews is very complex and messy, but in many ways secular Israelis are quite close to Christianity.

  28. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 1:14 pm

    Dear Aaron,

    My apologies. I’m sorry. I had ought given you something with which ‘To Warn’ others as well as ‘To Instruct’ others with regards to ZIONISM’s “world view” as opposed to the Catholic Church’s “world view”.

    You are most certainly free to print out, copy and MAIL these pages to every last ‘Rapture-Dispensation’ tele-evangelist and all of the ‘bible believing’ congregations throughout the USA or your own nation-state in our World:

    “Zionism”
    http://www.scripturecatholic.com/zionism.html

    - Fr. Joseph

  29. Mariano December 30, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

    Aaron,

    May the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

    I think you’re right in what you say: “We must be careful and not stoke the fires of our own anger and trust that the Lord will take His vengeance in His own time, not ours.”

    I myself have realized it some time ago, even though I was convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit back in 1993. I mean that the Holy Spirit came to me through the reading of the Scriptures and literally filled me with the love of our God.

    It is in this same spirit that I want to remind everybody (and maybe to inform someone) that the only ones who will enter the approaching Kingdom of God at the time of the first resurrection are only the overcomers, while everybody else shall wait until the judgment of the Great White Throne to be resurrected and share in the Kingdom (I think this is what the Lord meant by the phrase “have their portion with the hypocrites”, i. e., their portion in the same judgment, though with a different sentence).

    So, what exactly is being an overcomer? One has to put into PRACTICE the whole message found in Matthew 5-7 in order to become one. In fact, that passage is closed with the following warning by the Lord:

    “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

    May the Lord Jesus Christ grant us His grace as to put into practice what He has taught us.

  30. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

    One further point in case any black readers are feeling slighted. when I lived in South Africa, I was told that many German South Africans had black mistresses and even wives.

    Also that the white afrikaaner women are very jealous of black women and think that their husbands easily could be seduced by their beauty. This lends further evidence to the idea that the conflict is economic and not racial per se.

  31. Joe Cortina December 30, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

    Again - Brother Nathanael conducts another informative and important interview. Dr MacDonald exposes the ugly truth with crystal clarity and irrefutable evidence as he does so well.

    Virtually ALL of American moral and economic problems - detailed - would fill 1000 1000Meg discs

    OR to net it out with the SAME degree of TRUTH?

    ITS THE JEWS STUPID!

    AND - for those of you STILL laboring under the FALSE - and injudicious deception that Zionist Jews are bad - BUT ‘ordinary’ Jews are OK good decent people - I would like to know what drugs you use to create that ‘third world joke’ urban legend - promoted by the JEWS themselves and intended for goy with brain-sharing intellectual limitations.

    Please visit my site and read my imformative and irrefutable rebuttal of that absurd paradox. ‘Jews’ have been - AS A RACE - HISTORICALLY committing super evil deeds since BEFORE the time of Christ.

    Remember last Christmas’ mass massacre of defensless women and children In Gaza? I DO!

    Show me just ONE WEALTHY INFLUENTIAL POWERFUL PROMINENT HIGH PROFILE American NON-ZIO-chosenite’ - who stepped up to the ‘moral high ground’ - and damned his fellow Jews for the horrible war crimes they committed - I MEAN LOUD AND CLEAR - IN PUBLIC - ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA - MAJOR TV NEWS - LECTURED FROM A LARGE CIVIL FORUM and EXPOSED HIMSELF TO RIDICULE AND SCORN FROM FELLOW (NON ZIO-CHOSENITES)- I MEAN FRONT PAGE HEADLINE STUFF.

    IT NEVER HAPPENED - and it NEVER WILL. Are you listening - you evil Jew apologist hypocrite naive brain-dead Goy? Please - engage brain before opening mouth to insert foot.

    I have spoken with many of the so-called fake Jews-for-Jesus, fake Messiaonic Jews and asked that ALL the same question. Do you support the STOLEN GODLESS-MURDEROUS-RACIST-CHRISTIAN HATING State of IsraHELL ( where I have spent time and experienced their world-class evil) in ANY WAY?

    The ONLY correct moral answer to this RELIABLE ‘litmus test’ is a simple - NO! ALL failed! BIG SURPRISE - NOT!

    Should you believe that I am way off base here - just ask Brother Nathanael that exact same question.

    Here is Just ONE example of proof - Jesus damned the Jews as ‘SONS OF THE DEVIL” - (and VERY clearly NOT just Pharisees or high priests) in the NT John 8-44 - written some NINETEEN centuries BEFORE the term ‘Zionist’ was even created (by of course a previously ‘NON-ZIONIST’ EVIL Jew.) TRULY moral decent Jews today do exist - BUT - are enigmas - a paradox - an exceptional exiguous phenomenon!

    Look for the title: ZIONISTS – BAD ; JEWS – GOOD – RIGHT? WRONG! WRONG! WRONG Read it and learn THE TRUTH!

    http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com

  32. ZOG=SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF FREEDOM December 30, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

    Bro. Nathanael thank you for another informative article.

    It’s sick that the pathogen of kosher Khazar political correctness has drowned free speech and full dialogue public life in America.

    Especially the public fool system (if you can’t think then resistance to the kosher Khazar supremacist mind control octopus is relatively futile) and the so called “media”-they go nuts over any thing that doesn’t fit their mold.

    Attesting from experience in post-graduate school, the bending of the kosher NWO politically correct mind control paradigm can be detrimental to one’s academic record. The silver lining is the useful pinko idiots who act as priests of the Khazar intellgentsia propaganda subversion machine of the West cannot hang toe to toe in a debate or serious academic inquiry.

    I have crushed many commies just as Dr. Duke or Bro. Nathanael have on the air at various times. Liars and thiefs of freedom deserve to be faced with a relentless engagement of powerful, erudite debate.

    All they have is biased rhetoric - the facts support the truth, and an honest mind can see the bogus Berlin Wall of Khazar subversion and manipulation run rampantly against Western culture in favor of a Khazar/”Jew” dictator fedualism or NWO.

    It’s great that Bro. Nathanael is exposing the Khazar puppet show that is the NAACP.

    Who needs movies -

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5849499994484879153&hl=en#

    No wonder the Germans were so upset.

  33. Hello December 30, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

    Christian culture transcends race…

  34. enya December 30, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

    It would be really good if we just had TRUE CHRISTIANITY.

    And Happy New Year, Anna, an Irish Paddy!!

  35. jgalindes December 30, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

    Dear Mariano,

    I also agree with you:

    “Though some or many Zionists could be thinking in racial terms, I seriously think you all should quit using the expression “white Christian values”, for there is no such category in the Holy Scriptures.

    Do you seriously believe in that WASP portrait of Jesus so popular in the US?

    I repeat, there is no such thing like “white Christian values”. There are values that are Christian (according to the Spirit of Jesus Christ) and values that are un-Christian and mostly anti-Christ.

    Remember that we will reap that what we have sown…”

    May the Lord Jesus Christ give wisdom to His flock

    Each and every time I see this kind of expression here, I feel slightly saddened because the same “white Christian values” are routinely advocated by white supremacists.

    The Americas, from North to South have been built with different degrees of success(material, or otherwise) but with a mixture of races.

    We may set aside the wars of usurpation to made “lebenroom” for the white Europeans, but after things settled, the combined efforts of all the races built each and every one of our countries.

    And with the Europeans came Christianism, for us South Americans, on the hands of Roman Catholic Evangelists.

    I agree with Fr. Joseph argument as true in the realities of European geopolitics of the middle ages dealing with the constant menace of muslin attacks (many Popes wasted their entire lives in machinations with the secular arm in order to defend Europe).

    Regarding sinister plots to dilute white Christianity in America, as Prof. MacDonald brillianty pin-pointed, watch for the evil Jew!

    And not only them (or may be them in disguise), other smart political scientists abroad are planning/subverting in this direction, as certain Eurasian theorists, not exactly and specifically against American Christianity but to weaken America as a whole for the advancement of their own Imperial designs.

    Timely, valuable and courageous observation on your part, Mariano.

  36. Michael Korn December 30, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

    “Here is Just ONE example of proof - Jesus damned the Jews as ‘SONS OF THE DEVIL” - (and VERY clearly NOT just Pharisees or high priests) in the NT John 8-44 - written some NINETEEN centuries BEFORE the term ‘Zionist’ was even created (by of course a previously ‘NON-ZIONIST’ EVIL Jew.) TRULY moral decent Jews today do exist - BUT - are enigmas - a paradox - an exceptional exiguous phenomenon!”

    Joe Cortina’s comments are repugnant.

    Jesus was addressing the Jews in Jerusalem, associated with the Temple rite, when he called them “sons of your father the devil”.

    What about the Jews in Galilee who followed Him in droves?

    What about the Apostles who were Jews?

    You don’t like Jewdas Iscariot??? Well, try on Jewdas Thaddeus and Jewdas Thomas Didymus.

    Really, people are born to a certain group. Does that condemn them? If you really think so, you don’t have much faith in the power of Jesus the Son or God the Father.

  37. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

    “Am I my brother’s and sister’s keeper?”

    Just something to share with all of you regarding ‘The Races of Mankind’ and SKIN COLOR, be that skin color ‘BLACK’ or ‘WHITE’ or ‘RED’ or ‘YELLOW’ or ‘OLIVE’ etc.

    I’m kinda/sorta an ‘EXPERT’ on skin coloring. For you see, I have developed a SKIN CONDITION known in the medical sciences of Dermatology called ‘VITILIGO’ which is a LOSS of skin pigmenation and coloring.

    On my hands, forearms and under my hair I’ve LOST my born-with natural skin coloring that is common for those of us of the Caucausian races. So there are ’shades of WHITE’ skin (grin) as there are ’shades of BLACK’ skin as there shades of RED, YELLOW, OLIVE, etc. skin.

    Our SKIN COLORING is given to us by an All-good and Incredibly MERCIFUL Creator God for this expressed reason - so that we, of the Human Race, MIGHT live at every last latitude and longitude here on this planet earth He Himself has created for ALL of Mankind.

    In having LOST my natural God-given Caucasian-Slavic skin coloring on my hands, forearms and top of my head - if I WANT TO go outdoors for any great lenght of time during a SUNNY day…for MORE that 15 to 20 minutes, the exposed hands, forearms and top of my head’s SKIN without the natural God-given skin pigmentation on account of this case of VITILIGO I have….BURNS TO BEET RED…and the sunburn hurts and it stings.

    So I have to use suncreen or over my head in a hat and forearms under a shirt and hands in gloves IF I want to go out TO ENJOY and TO LIVE UNDER that God-given Sun high up in the sky over all of our heads.

    Everyone’s SKIN COLORING is a Gift from our All-good God and FATHER in Heaven…so that…those who live down by the equator DON’T wind up burning and stinging every hour of the day…and that those who live towards the poles of our planet earth DON’T wind up with crippling bone diseases from a LACK OF the skin’s ability to produce Vitamin D from the energy of the our All-good God’s Sun’s rays.

    But let me share with you my own religious and spiritual reasons as to WHY people are so darn quick to make a ‘big deal’ about their skin color.

    - Fr. Joseph

  38. Lynda December 30, 2009 @ 2:15 pm

    A very good interview with Prof Kevin MacDonald. The Occidental Quarterly is one of the best current views / reviews publications available. It has always confronted ethnopolitics head-on.

    I think the term white Christian values is entirely appropriate. It was the nations of Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals that converted as nations to the Christian faith. While many were added to the Church in tribes, clans, families and as individuals it was only Europeans who came into the Church as nations, were baptised as nations, following their kings.

    The catholic ethics of both Eastern and Western Christianity - the Katolicum opposes the universalist ethics of Judaism upon all fronts.

    While one must certainly never conceive of the faith in racialist definitions, there is no denying that in terms of its historic demographic it is as Chesterton once remarked “Europe is the faith and the faith Europe”. This has only changed with the defection of the West to modern secular materialism and liberalism.

  39. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

    All of us have this innate tendency to “identify” with a particular RACE or NATIONALITY on account of our own individual sense of INSECURITY as an individual member of the Human Race.

    We are not sure of our own ‘identity’ AS a member of the greater Human Race - hence, we all have the tendency to seek ’security in the herd’, so to speak.

    We all have the tendency to desire to put on some sort of ‘colors’ in order to mitigate our own sense of insecurity as an individual in the greater Human Race.

    We might put on the ‘colors’ of a criminal motorcycle gang such as the Hells Angels, the Bandits, the Sons of Silence, the Pagans, etc..

    We might put on the ‘colors’ of some national flag.

    We might put on the ‘colors’ of some ethnic or racial group.

    We might put on the ‘colors’ of some sort of uniform, some sort of corporation, some sort of business, civic, social, political or ’secret society’.

    We all seek such forms of ‘IDENTIFICATION’ in order to ease the personal psycho-spiritual PAIN of our sense of isolation and loneliness and non-acceptance in this ‘All’ NOT of our creating.

    In this very real yet very strange way, each and every last one of us fears and trembles in the isolation of and from the IDENTITY LOSS of that expereinced by ORPHANS!

    But the ‘GOOD NEWS’ is that none of us are ORPANS - not unless we CHOOSE to be ORPHANS.

    For it is Divine Revelation given to ALL OF US by our Human Race’s Divine SAVIOR that GOD HIMSELF is our Common FATHER.

    Go think on that for about 1/2 hour…

    GOD had DIVINELY REVEALED to ALL OF MANKIND that the ‘GOOD NEWS’ is that God is OUR FATHER in Heaven - and that this same Divine Father of ours in Heaven has made HIS SON the ‘King of All that is Seen and Unseen’.

    And this Divine King has a MOTHER.

    And this Divine King has made HIS Mother to be OUR MOTHER.

    And that the entire Human Race is A FAMILY.

    And one must WANT TO stop being an ORPHAN and STOP identifying ourselves with whatever ‘colors’ we are currently clinging onto and identifying with and…

    …make the personal religious, psycho-spiritual decision to RETURN HOME to our Father in Heaven…

    …and to be dutiful sons and daughters of OUR FATHER in Heaven going about DOING those ‘chores’ and ‘tasks’ and ‘undertakings’ the Father desires DONE here on earth AS IT IS in His Divine Heaven.

    That, my dear friends, is the very essential core and essenatial Teaching of CHRIST Jesus - THE LOGOS - through Whom all things were created and for Whom they were created.

    - Fr. Joseph

  40. ZOG=SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF FREEDOM December 30, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

    Question for our Bro. Nathanael-

    What is a good alternative news site that shows the latest movements of the Illuminati Jew?

    Alex Jonestein is pathetic-

    He has articles howling about the Fed, partisan politics, and the controlled press but JewInfowars.com won’t allow a post that names names of the globalists and banksters and says the “Jews”/Khazars/goys who are frauds claiming to be from a group theyr’e not for their own agenda.

    While I’m dropping Zionist puppet names-

    Dr. Gary North kicked me off Austrian economics Jew shrine - Garynorth.com - his paid membership site after asking-

    “Do the Zionists run America?”

    He said , “No it’s all WASPs”.

    I kept pushing the issue because that statement is a load of bull.

    North kicked me off and told me “I’d worn out my welcome”.

    I replied and basically said “Your’e tyrannical for censoring free speech after I’m paying you 9.95/mo”.

    This good “Reformed” (to what? They still follow the Church-which is fine, and don’t even know it) Christian Zionist puppet and CNP (Council for National Policy) Member which is allegedly the Rockefellers right wing CFR equivalent according to Josh Reeves dig it at:

    http://www.theglobalreality.com/documentaries/the-secret-right-volume-1

    …and called me a “Jackass”.

    I feel the love from that “reformed” ZOG puppet.

    Freedom is in more danger from the puffbag Zionists on our side.

    I’m glad Jeff Rense and Bro. Nathanael are a voice for liberty.

  41. serpentseed December 30, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

    This is funny because my research says the original Hebrew Israelites were black people including Moses. If you take a critical look at the carvings in ancient Egypt all the figures have kinky hair and dark skin.

    And why would the God of the Israelites turn Moses’ hand white if Moses was already white? Makes no sense, however, if Moses was a black man and the God of the Israelites turned his hand white that would be some powerful Juju. Am I wrong in my percieved interpretation? Thanks.

  42. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

    Dear Mariano,

    Had similar experiences of God’s Holy Spirit revealing HIS Divine Love for Mankind to me and that I, too, am to have the same sort of Love for my family, my neighbors, my fellow co-workers and…well, for everyone!

    Only God can LOVE as He Loves - and we can only LOVE as God Loves when He Graces and Empowers us with HIS Holy Spirit.

    Nevertheless, recalling the Reality of His Divine Love He has revealed to us, it seems to me that as ‘disciples’ of our God we are to take these created-finite natures of ours and make an ‘Act of Will’ TO ATTEMPT to mimick His Divine Love with these very finite, weak, limited created spiritual human natures of ours.

    Only God can Love AS God Loves. Yet it seems that we are called to love others with the strenght and power that are OURS. So our love will and can never match His Divine Love unless He grants us the Divine Grace to do that.

    And THAT Divine Grace has been given and IS in the personal spiritual possession of the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Yet, nevertheless, God’s Divine Love is Pure Eternal CHARITY towards all of His Creation - and all of us ARE His ‘creations’, His ‘creatutes’ endowed with a FREE WILL.

    And ‘CHARITY’ is ‘CARITOS’ which is simple ‘CARING’.

    All of us are called ‘TO CARE’. We are TO CARE for what God Wants. We are TO CARE about others need. And we are TO CARE for ourselves as well - meaning to say, we are all called TO CARE about seeking our Eternal Life with our All-good God and Father in Heaven.

    All of us ‘CARE’ in our own personal and unique ways - and all of us are given our own particular gifts, talents, abilities and resources BY WHICH TO ‘Care’ for what God Cares About, for what our neighbors need and for what WE need as well.

    Personally, I don’t want SATAN to win this War vs. our All-good God and what He wants done to and for all of us members of the Human Race.

    SATAN wants all of us DEAD. Spiritually. Intellectually. Emotionally. Physically.

    We can AVERT this thermonuclear Third World War planned, engineered and promoted by Satan’s followers the World over. If we can STOP this thermonuclear War, we stand the real chance of SAVING millions upon millions of people from an untimely death and from Satan’s clutches.

    So…just ‘F.Y.I.’…that’s where I constantly come from in these postings of mine and the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to the MOTHER OF GOD’S Immaculately Loving Heart that LOVES with the Love of God Himself!

    “Back to the TRENCHES”

    - Fr. Joseph

  43. Michael K. December 30, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

    Dear Mariano and Michael Korn,

    You bring up a subject where there is ample room for misunderstanding and the engendering of hard feelings. It is worth commenting on to me because I both ultimately agree that Christianity is not a racialist movement, and at the same time I have a feeling that it may be positive to speak of White civilization in its historically Christian context.

    In the headlined article Brother Nathanael and Professor MacDonald cite the Jewish academic movement to stigmatize ethnic identity amongst non-Jews:

    “These studies attempted to show that group affiliations of non-Jews, and in particular membership in Christian religious denominations, nationalism, and close family ties, were indicative of psychiatric and emotional disorders.”

    So, within a modern culture which stigmatizes the use of the very words “White Christian” as being nothing less than a personal indictment that one is a psychological pariah, it may be a positive thing to mentally deprogram one’s self by allowing the use of this phrase in open conversation within a positive frame of reference.

    So when it is used positively it refers to White culture as a subset of Christianity as a whole, and not the reverse. And it is imperative to remind White people that the cultural pre-eminence of Christianity in our history corresponds to a time when people left their keys in the car at night and their front doors open.

    “Black Christian” culture deserves its mention as well, and I don’t suppose that this will offend you as much as “White Christian” for some reason. At the same time anyone who wants to can point out how wicked and pagan Blacks sometimes can act as a racial affinity group and how desperately important racism is to the maintenance of Black identity.

    But the point of mentioning “Black Christian” culture (aside from writing to the theme of the article) is that it has been a vehicle through which Blacks, acting cohesively and as an ethnic group, have ennobled themselves as Blacks. The history of Black Christianity is no doubt one of martyrs and saints whose names may never be widely known, but by and through their struggle they have brought to their whole race a saving knowledge of Christ.

    Hence, the example of “Black Christianity” gives us a good example which validates “White Christianity” intellectually, because it is doubtful that ethnic identity outweighs Christianity, but viewed in its proper context gives it dimensional depth and universality.

    There has been much said both for and against the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He undoubtedly was a sinner, and at other times undoubtedly was a saint. And in the end he was a martyr. And not for Blackness, but for Christianity. For indeed his courageous leap of faith took him from out of the grasp of his Jewish political handlers who were seeking to utilize him to make a racial stir in America.

    And his faith in Christ set him on a collision course with the moneychangers and their policy of exploiting White racial cohesion in endless wars involving un-Christian ends. He ended up challenging the foundational injustices which plague White society,which make it come into conflict with its own Christian roots. He transcended his Black ethnic concerns, but did so as a Black man. And he ultimately died trying to bring many White people to salvation from sin.

    So let us not shy away from positive ethnic identity, especially as it relates to Christianity. Otherwise it tends to ignore and disdain something which is as plain as the nose on your face and as natural, which can only be a form of denial ultimately, I believe.

    The Peace of Christ be with You.

  44. Fr. Joseph December 30, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

    If we thinking in BROAD and SWEEPING terms, and if we think about our entire Human Race and ALL of Human History - the constant and relentless undercurrent which has been at work amongst ALL peoples of ALL nations has been

    ‘SOCIAL ENGINEERING’

    Sacred Scripture, in its entirety, is one long account of GOD attempting HIS ‘Divine Social Engineering’ with and for our Human Race.

    The spiritual ENEMIES of our All-good God and Father in Heaven relentless persist in ‘THEIR’ social engineering programs and projects with, for and OVER our Human Race.

    And the ‘Chosen People’ of the OLD TESTAMENT who were to be God’s Instrument as A NATION to be a ‘Light onto the OTHER Nations of our World’ repeatedly FAILED to do that which God wanted TO DO for our Human Race.

    Hence, it was ‘Neccessary’ for GOD HIMSELF to entire into Human History in HIS Human Nature in order TO TEACH all of the nations of all peoples of our World God’s Own All-good Divine ‘SOCIAL ENGINEERING PROGRAM’ for all of Mankind.

    The Savior of our Human Race CAME TO US 2,000 years ago.

    There’s simply ‘GOTTA BE A WAY’ to get the Global World Wide Divine and All-good ‘SOCIAL ENGINEERING’ Program back ‘up and running’!

    - Fr. Joseph

  45. serpentseed December 30, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

    Was Jesus Black?

    Official Findings | Board of Deacons

    The Landover Board of Deacons answered this question with a resounding “No” Monday night. As all church members know, every Monday, the board discusses one of the seemingly countless inexplicable theological quandaries presented by the Good Book.

    The board then presents its unequivocal findings to the men of the church so they can tell their wives what to say should the issue ever come up in casual conversation at the beauty parlor or mall.

    Last week, newly retained Pastor Stuart Mill instigated the most heated and angry debate among the board since the 1997 proposal by the late Deacon Darren Cravitz to condemn witch burnings was soundly defeated. Pastor Mill suggested the Lord Jesus Christ was actually a black man! After 15 minutes of angry debate, the Board unanimously rejected Mill’s claims.

    (Mill’s vote was not counted since he resigned from the church and left Freehold after his family’s home was destroyed by an electrical fire Tuesday night.) Pastor Deacon Fred ordered that the transcript of the meeting be posted here, so all churchgoers can see how outrageous such a thought is and avoid any repetition of the claim.

    Transcript of Board of Deacons Meeting
    Landover Baptist Church
    Monday, February 11, 2002
    7:05 p.m.

    Deacon Fred: I asked Pastor Mill, the most recent addition to our clergy, to select and introduce an important unresolved Biblical issue so we can resolve it tonight and tell our members tomorrow what they are to believe. Pastor Mill . . .

    Mill: Thank you, Deacon Fred. For many years, there has been a significant disagreement among Biblical scholars over Jesus Christ’s heritage, in particular, what race he was. After several years of research, I have come to the conclusion that . . .

    Brother Harry: Excuse me, Pastor Mill, but you’re new to the church and may be under the misimpression that this meeting is an informal gathering of church executives to banter and tell jokes, much like Thursday night at the lodge. We’re here to discuss serious issues, and our membership is eager to learn what we’ve decided the Lord’s often indecipherable statements really mean this week. Now, please, introduce tonight’s real issue.

    Mill: I am quite serious, Brother Harry. After spending hundreds of hours researching genealogies and Christ’s lineage, I have come to the conclusion that the Lord was, without question, a descendant of the Negroid race. The evidence is overwhelming that . . .

    Deacon Crockett: Pastor, do you really expect us to believe that the Son of God, the most worthy man ever to walk the face of God’s green planet, was colored? What are you going to suggest next? That Osama bin Looney is the second coming? That Madonna is as pure as her namesake? That the Pope is really a Christian?

    [Laughter.]

    Mill: The evidence is conclusive. Most of the people mentioned in the Bible were of races of dark complexion. And the region that Jesus came from featured only people of the Negroid and Mongoloid races. There were no Caucasians in Egypt or the surrounding areas at the time.

    Brother Harry: That simply shows those were the most depraved regions, with the people most in need of salvation. God couldn’t put Jesus in America because there wasn’t an America yet. Just a bunch of savages He hadn’t sent us to kill yet who wouldn’t know the difference between an unclean animal and an unleavened loaf of bread.

    The bottom line is that God impregnated that woman with a boy in His own image – white, blue-eyed and brown-haired. Now, the rest of you have been around me long enough to know that I don’t give a hoot heck about secular science, but don’t tell me that the great Almighty – the most powerful being in the Universe — has recessive genes! The fact that Jesus would have to spend his life wandering around people of much lesser heritage is just another of the trials His father gave Him – second only to being killed by those folks.

    Mill: Nothing in the Bible says the Father was a white man or that His image would be as you described. Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, who came from the Samarian city of Ur of Chaldes, which was a black civilization, like many, if not most, of the societies described in the Bible.

    Deacon Fred: So now you’re telling us Abraham and the other prophets were colored? I suppose you also think Noah was one of them and only found out about that ark because he was trying to steal its radio and lured all the animals onto the ark with a block of fatback. And I guess the apostles were the world’s first rap group. Don’t you think that whale would have spit out Jonah a lot sooner than three days?

    [Laughter]

    Mill: We know that Noah’s son, Ham, was a Negro. Jesus descended from a number of Ham’s ancestors, including Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Bathsheba and Jezebel.

    Deacon Wilson: Now, I’ll grant you that Jesus did not come from our sort – being born of a poor Jew. After all, who even knew there was such a thing?

    [Laughter]

    But the Lord Jesus on High did not descend from a pack of colored hookers, my friend!..

    [Laughter]

    Brother Harry: Mr. Mill, you’ve just disproved your own argument. Everyone here is familiar with the story in Genesis about the night Noah got drunk, stripped and passed out, and Ham went into the tent to stare at his father’s tally-whacker. Apparently, it was quite a sight to see! Noah condemned Ham’s descendants to be servants of mankind forever. The Son of God wasn’t a slave, and nothing in the Bible said He came from slaves.

    Deacon Fred: I suppose Mr. Mill thinks that when Jesus washed the apostles’ feet, that was part of His plantation owner’s job description.

    [Laughter]

    Mill: The bottom line is that there is no description of Jesus’ ethnicity or physical appearance in the Bible. And no one has uncovered any drawings or paintings of Him made while He was alive. The first pictures of Jesus came hundreds of years after His death, by artisans commissioned by the white Roman Catholic Church.

    Brother Harry: There are also no pictures of Jesus wearing a backwards baseball cap or sporting a brillo pad on his head. However, we do have pictures drawn by True Christians®, then known as Protestants, many years after the idol-worshipers started drawing Him. And even though these True Christians® didn’t live with Jesus, they were inspired by God to correctly sketch His likeness, much as King James was inspired by God to write the Bible in the way it was supposed to be written.

    We know all this by faith. Faith, sir, is something that supersedes all your lineages and chronologies and scientific research. If faith can move mountains – it can surely clean up an inferior bloodline in a snap! I move that so-called Pastor Mill’s resolution be rejected, that all church members be forbidden from repeating his ridiculous claim publicly and that Pastor Mill be suspended from duty without pay until the board can decide his fate.

    Deacon Fred: We have three separate motions from Brother Harry that I think can be voted on as a block. Answer “Yay” if you support all three and “Nay” if you oppose any one. All in favor:

    [Chorus of “Yay’s”]

    Deacon Fred: All opposed?

    Mill: Nay.

    Deacon Fred: All three motions pass by majority vote. Mr. Mill, I’m sure you have a busy night ahead of you – you’ve probably thought of a hundred other ways to spit in the face of Jesus and slander His Holy name. So I will let you run along, but you are to meet me in my office first thing in the morning. Meeting adjourned.”

  46. Mariano December 30, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

    Esteemed Michael K.,

    I don’t care about patterns established by fleshly people who are “proud” of being black, yellow, pink, green or white Israelites or Christians or whatever. I only care about the teachings of my Lord and my Master Jesus, the Messiah and Son of God.

    What do I think about the discussion here presented?

    1. True disciples of Jesus Christ do not belong to the present order of things (John 17:14), but to the Kingdom of God.

    2. Treacheries, hate and harassment will come, but there is no one to fear except God the Almighty (Matthew 10:24-31).

    3. True disciples of Jesus Christ try to live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit that is in them and without fear of the enemies of the Lord. As Paul said to the Galatians:

    “The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things THERE IS NO LAW.” (Galatians 5:19-23)

    Blessings in Jesus Christ name

  47. Timu December 30, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

    Having observed some things over the span of natural life, I have come to conclude that one is wise to believe their own eyes and ears. A more polished observer, may even be so fortunate as to have his senses honed to the degree that allows the decerning of the impetus behind the sights and sounds.

    Although Dr. MacDonald has chosen to use the words “white Christian” I believe that before anyone jumps to conclusions, and takes up the offended posture, it would be interesting to hear from the author himself, as to why he chose to use them, and exactly what message he intended to convey.

    I think that in all fairness he should be allowed to speak on the subject before any more triviality arises. From the context of the article in it’s entirety, it would appear as though he has chosen the word white to be taken as an adjective, and used in the sense of describing the source from which the Christian faith has been disseminated.

    This is an historical fact, and an educated author may very well use just such an adjective as a condensed statement of the fact. It should dawn on the attentive reader, that Dr. MacDonald, has indicated that the Jew has used the race issue, to produce the rejection of Christ in the mind of other peoples by billing Christianity as the white man’s religion.

    In this context his use of the term white Christian is a very appropriate figure of speech that cuts both ways. In spite of Mariano’s testimony as to his Holy Spirit filled awakening, it is obvious from his use of the demeaning appellation WASP, that the flow of that Spirit love has yet to reach the depth of his own racism, of which he is, by circular innuendo, accusing both Dr. MacDonald, and by extension, all white Christians of.

    As for the portrait of Christ that he so caustically makes reference to, he might, if he would relinquish his feigned victim status, be amazed to find; though obviously an artist’s rendition, the portrait does in fact portray a viable likeness, to the historical description of Jesus Christ given in the context of Pontius Pilot’s letter to Tiberius Caesar, upon the execution of Jesus Christ, which can be read here http://timutele.wordpress.com/2009/12/30/pontius-pilots-letter-to-ceasar-on-the-execution-of-jesus-christ/

    Aaron has made a very valid point, and I would agree that before one becomes enmeshed, over the head, in an emotional backlash response, a valid self criticism in the light of The Evangel would be appropriate.

    The Christian has indeed partaken of the Christ Nature that is the ‘New Creation’; but also carries the “Old Man” on board, the two in conflict. Though the ‘New’ restrains the ‘Old”: the ‘Old impairs the ‘New’, and in many cases is often brought out, and just such provocation may very well be the desired effect of the provocatuer.

    I have put forth an effort to make a statement on the case here:

    http://timutele.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/the-last-days-solution-is-patient-endurance/

  48. Susie December 30, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

    Brother Nathanael,

    This is another EXCELLENT article/interview with Kevin MacDonald. All of us are saying the same things and when it is confirmed by academics, it makes it that much more powerful.

    Thank you.
    Susie

  49. John December 30, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

    Asperger’s syndrome, its called Asperger’s syndrome. Those socially retarded sociopathic yet amazingly talented in a few certain fields of thought.

    Coincidentally Asperger’s runs quite high in the khazarian lineage. I know most of you more than anything are just wondering what is running through these peoples minds, and now you know. I am a German-American Catholic aryan of very pure lineage and I also have Asperger’s syndrome.

    Growing up I always felt so out of place with my peers, I was an oddball who loved to stare at maps and read national geographic all day. I was taunted and ridiculed by my peers and basically swore revenge. I held grudges for years over what was I realize now mild juvenile taunting.

    I knew many Jews growing up and was friends and got along good with most of them, they still looked down on me for being a goy, but thats besides the point.

    I ended up becoming an extreme Jew-hater for a while, which I now equate to Jew self-hate seeing for all intents and purposes I’m basically a “Jew”. I don’t know if I’m making some huge revelation but I can tell you for certain that quintessential Jewish behaviour is Asperger’s Syndrome.

    Also I will tell you that most Asperger’s people are madly paranoid and afraid of their own shadows.

  50. massi December 30, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

    Malris - Thank you for the reference.

    The work can be had on line in PDF format. Some of the clinical vocabulary is better suited to the trained psychologist, but I find the concept of Ponero-genesis very interesting. The basic premise of dividing humanity into two “groups” a. those with a conscience, and b. those without a conscience, over and above all other divisions is really fascinating.

    I see that at one of the sites, (apparently owned by some with a similar interest, and that have been responsible for the publication of the book) which have also done work on psychopathology, and come a little closer it seems, upon a casual glance, of touching on the “spiritual” implications.

    These tend to interlock with the “seed line of Cain”, and the introduction of the “hybrid Nephalim type” into the human gene pool. It’s a fascinating study. Perhaps ‘Genesis’ is the place to start! (esp.I-IV) Thanks again, massi

  51. KathJuliane December 30, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

    Below is an excerpt from a piece of recent US Congressional Testimony by Bill Wood, of Charlotte, North Carolina on the complete destruction of the American family by failed Judeo-liberal socialist Democratic government policies.

    This excerpt deal specifically with the destructive impact on the Black community since the ‘60’s, and the Jew-loving Johnson’s “Guns & Butter” massive multi-billion dollar tax-payer fraud called “the War on Poverty”, a liberal, pork-barrell hoist of the Welfare Government onto the back of the Jewish-controlled Civil Rights’ Movement.

    [Jews love LBJ. He’s a “Righteous Gentile.” Hoff - here’s one more for your library.

    http://lyndonjohnsonandisrael.blogspot.com/

    “In recognition of Lyndon Johnson’s efforts to save European Jewry as Hitler’s noose tightened around their necks in the 1930s.”]

    However, it is important to read this excerpt in context with the rest of the testimony indicting the liberal erosion and corruption of American society in general.

    This fully supports Dr. MacDonald’s well-articulated thesis from his sociological, psychological and anthropological point of view as to how it all fits within the overall psychopathic racialist strategy of the Jews and their 2,000 year old avowed satanic desire to destroy all aspects and vestiges of faith in Christ through the centuries, and white “Christian America”.

    First came the Jews’ destruction of “Black Christian America” and its foundational morals and ethics beginning in the 1920’s and their crypto-Communist NAACP and ACLU high-jacking and misuse of the early legitimate “white Christian” civil rights activists, and the black community was beginning to gain some political traction on their own.

    At one time, the soul of the “Negro Gospel” meant unswerving faith in our Lord Jesus Christ which saw them through the difficult trials of life, and was the glue that kept families together.

    Many “conservative” Bible-believing black families living in hardship themselves, but with a strong faith, invariably passed on good solid Christian character formation and family virtues, stressed the importance of a moral uprightness and instilled in their children a healthy regard for good education, self-sacrifice, and hard work in order to find a place in the world, contributing to the betterment of their own folks and society on the whole.

    Among the older “paleo-conservative” God-fearing black people, and other minorities that I’ve met in my life who earned their way through college by their own brains and sweat and became successful professionals, didn’t see much value in “Affirmative Action”.

    As a side thought that just popped into my head about the charming 1989 movie “Driving Ms. Daisy” – It’s a story about an old, Atlanta, Georgia Jewish woman, her rich, establishment Jewish family and culture set in 1948, and her African-American chauffer in the American South!. A little bit of retro-active polishing of their own Jewish halos as the benefactors of the American Negro!

    http://waysandmeans.house.gov/legacy/humres/107cong/4-11-02/records/billwood.htm#_ednref13

    […] Many anti-marriage detractors foist “privacy” propaganda about intrusions into marriage while ignoring laws designed to regulate every facet of marriage, divorce, child custody, and child support (or repackaged alimony [2]).

    How much more control over personal decisions could a government exercise? They claim there is little research on promoting marriages and healthy families while shrieking that taxpayers should pay untold billions on disastrously failed anti-family / anti-marriage experiments which have created more non-married “families” than married.[3]

    These detractors demand bias and discrimination against “traditional” family structures by insisting taxpayers subsidize every alternative to traditional families.

    They then cry “foul” about marriage and family promotion. Modern anti-marriage factions and policies promote a frighteningly bizarre and violent attack on marriage, families, women and children.

    […]
    BLACK COMMUNITY
    In the 1940’s 18% of black women divorced, [15] in 1960 (just before “no-fault” and modern welfare) 3 out of 4 black children were born in marriage;[16] yet by the late 60’s and early 70’s, the divorce rate had reached 60%. [17] In the 80’s, for 25 year olds, there were 3 unmarried black women to each black man with a decent job. [18]

    Early 90’s African American children could expect to spend just 16% of their time in a married household, while Hispanics could expect 67% and Caucasians 80%.[19] The most common arrangement for black children under 6 (42% of the time), was to live with a mother who never married while all black children were only 1/2 as likely as whites to be living with both parents, and 8 times as likely to be living with a single mom. [20]

    “Exposure to single motherhood at some point during adolescence increases the risk [of a daughter becoming a single mom] by nearly [150 percent] for whites and… by about 100 percent for blacks.” [21] Married black family birthrates now average less than 1 child per marriage, if not for out-of-wedlock children, the African American population would quickly die off.[22]

    The affects of growing up without both parents from similar communities increases the likelihood of jail time –, public housing, welfare, and similar life experiences did not increase this likelihood only the lack of the presence of two biological parents. [23] The situation has become so critical that during the days of slavery a black child was more likely to grow up living with both parents than today.[24]

    “African Americans marry later, are about twice as likely to divorce, and less likely to ever marry; yet [their] views of the importance of marriage are similar to those held by members of other ethnic groups.” [25] By age 30, only 45% of black women have married compared to 80% of white women.[26]

    The high mortality and incarceration rate of black men has resulted in a serious gender imbalance in the African-American community leaving few marriageable men.[27] Changes in family structure explain 97 percent of black and 99 percent of white families’ poverty spells—not only unwed childbearing but also divorce.[28]” […]

    Extensive footnotes listed at the link.

    Peace in our Lord Jesus Christ.

    To the Glorious Cross and Golden Freedom!

  52. Wilson December 30, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

    +BN:

    Donation’s forthcoming. Love you, man. But if I love you, how in the world can I be anti-Semitic?

    Same if I love Jesus. No no. You and I know what we we love and what we hate. Ye will either love the one and hate the other.

    Of course we all hate evil. Do you expect them to do good and tell the truth?

    God bless you.

  53. the brainy zek December 31, 2009 @ 4:09 am

    I enjoy and appreciate the comment postings on this site by Joe Cortina probably more than any other except for one basic disagreement. That item is the distinction between the religious tora worshipping Jew and the zionist jew who murders, raprs and destroys any and every item of moral value!

    In rev 2:9 and again in rev 3:9 Jesus said to beware of those who call themselves Jews and are not but are the synagogue of satan. not OF the synagogue of satan but ARE the synagogueof satan!

    This speech would indicate that Torah worshipping Jews were of moral value but that PHARISEE Jews are co-incident with satan!

    I go to the Naturei Karta website a couple of times a week and have seen them physically desecrate and BURN the Israeli flag in the Ukraine and London and New York City! I have seen them standing in body and person with George Galloway in Gaza.

    In America we have freedom of religion. I have always been a student of and believer in the Constitution of the United States these Naturei Karta Jews are American in purpose and as much Anti-zionist as I am!

    I note that Professor Macdonald made mention of the fact that Zio-Bankster Jacob Schiff financed the Bolshevik revolution! That fact is now undisputed! The villanous and murderous zionist Leon Trotsky and his 300 murderous revolutionaries trained at the Rand School of Social Science on lower 15th street in New York City joined with Nicolae Lenin and his 300 trained in brutal murder in Switzerland and they proceeded to systematically murder 40 million Christians in Russia!

    While protecting zionist Jew synagogues they melted the 400 year old bells of the Russian Orthodox Church and desecrated and destroyed the churches themselves. They murdered the Czar and the Czarina and their 4 children in a dirty basement in Ekaterinburg Russia after promising them safe passage out of Russia if they would abdicate.

    Now we are not supposed to hate these base scum! As Joe Cortina would say to the chief fat pig of the zionist ADL Abe Foxman “we know who you are and where you are!”

    A vulgar note in passing! I do not know how many RZN readers read the posting on Rense.com by Dick Eastman about the Many, Many Whore houses in Israel!

    He stated there were over 200 brothels in the capital of Tel Aviv alone!

    The operators get young girls from Russia and eastern Europe with promises of great reward for their emigration to Israel. Once there they are subverted to brothels with little chance of retribution or escape!

    These scum deal in the misery of female degradation, their rabbi scum deal in human organs of children and their military murder defenseless citizens of Gaza! Zionist Jews are without any asset value.

    I remind the reader that prostitution is a vile sin in Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism but a legal activity in Zionist Israel. Zionist Jews have to be the base scum of planet earth!!

  54. D C December 31, 2009 @ 4:48 am

    http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/israelincreasingantichristianity.htm

    I am very tired of my tax dollars going to these Vampires!!!

  55. Lynda December 31, 2009 @ 4:59 am

    The Apostles were of the tribes of Israel - James was of the tribe of Judah (our Lord’s own tribe), St Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin.

    I seriously doubt that Jesus had many Jewish followers in the Galilee as those who were ethnically Idumean / Edomite (having accepted the circumcision and the Israelite Covenants under John Hyrcanus II) were populous in the South at the time of Jesus.

    Important for your discussion is the Despoysniac (to use the term of Eusebius) kinship of the Apostles.

    Pharicaism (Judaism) was the Babylonian cult that used the Torah of Moses to subvert the Covenant of Moses (as our Lord taught) - just as they do today. They came to power with the Herodians through their Idumean power base - in the South.

    I am sure there were some of the tribes of Jacob who belonged to the Pharisaic sect, but I doubt they were very numerous in Galilee. I think there is a lot of evidence from the N.T. that the descendents of Jacob were oppressed by the more numerous Idumean converts and their Pharisaic sect (which at the time had usurped the Chair of Moses).

    “Edom is in modern Jewry” Jewish Encyclopedia 1925 ed; p. 41 - and has been since the time of John Hyrcanus II.

  56. Timu December 31, 2009 @ 6:36 am

    We are all being changed on a daily basis, ” from glory to glory” into the “IMAGE of Christ.” Or from emulation unto emulation, unto the “IMAGE of the beast”.

    We should recognize that those character marked by their spirited displays of their beast likeness, though “individuals” will at some point become a “collective” in identity and purpose, and they will persecute to the death those outside their number.

    http://timutele.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/the-image-of-the-beast/

  57. curt mAYNARD December 31, 2009 @ 7:06 am

    David Horowitz And The Mechanics Of The Zionist Exploitation Of Blacks

    http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/article-i-wrote-few-years-ago.html

  58. russ December 31, 2009 @ 7:10 am

    Well said Timu, well said.

    Thanks to KathJuliane for getting us back on topic.

  59. Brother Nathanael December 31, 2009 @ 7:51 am

    @ The Brainy Zek

    Thanks for your great comments dear Brainy.

    You mentioned last time that you misplaced a Western Union donation to me that you were going to send along.

    I am not sure that I ever received that…

    +BN

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  61. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 11:49 am

    Re: Joe Cortina’s vile condemnation in toto of all Jews, I would like to point out the following:

    1. In Jesus’ parable about the pearl of great worth, it is important to remember that a pearl is formed when a small grain of sand lodges inside an oyster and causes an inflammation. The pearl is actually like a scab that forms over the inflammation caused by the sand. Perhaps Judaism acts as an inflammatory agent on the body of Christendom. But if so that is necessary to produce the pearl of great worth.

    2. If anyone is to blame for the present financial power of Jewish elites, it is the Catholic Church, which granted these Jews monopolistic banking rights in Europe. While the Popes condemned usury for the average Christian member of society, they themselves used their Jews to amass huge fortunes with which to pursue temporal wealth and empire building. A great way to promote Jesus’ Kingdom that is not of this world, don’t you think?

    3. If Jewry acts as a corrupting yeast, this also is necessary to expose those who are corrupted with their mammon, who become inflated with pomp prestige and power. It is Christ’s way of separating the wheat from the tares, the lambs from the wolves, the sheep from the goats, the fish from the rocks. Christ said these things would last together till the end of the age, so there is no alternative to tolerating Jewry’s corrupting influence.

    4. There also is the matter of respect. Christianity did inherit much from Jewry, if nothing else than the Hebrew Scriptures, and for that reason alone Jews deserve a modicum of respect and Christians should not attack them. I agree that Christians should be more vigilant about preserving our beliefs and values and should not capitulate to Jewish instigators, but if Jews have found it easy to corrupt Christians and to co-opt pagans, then the fault is ours, not theirs.

  62. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 11:54 am

    Furthermore, consider the little known idea (promoted by me!) that the greed for mammon and temporal luxury in the Papacy directly caused the Protestant schism.

    All that beautiful church art that we love to admire? Painted in the Renaissance? Who paid for it? The Vatican incurred such huge debts paying all these artists to turn Christ’s “headquarters” into an oppulent and lavish temporal palace of splendor and museum quality, that it had to send people like Tetzel out to sell indulgences.

    This man enraged Martin Luther and the rest is history, as they say. Further proof that the Jewish bankers are just Christ’s way to expose the wolves prowling amongst the lambs.

  63. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

    Another idea: Jesus did give some parables that speak about bankers who pay interest. (Remember the unworthy servant whom the king told that he should have AT LEAST left his money with a banker so the king could collect interest!) This suggests the possibility that Jewish financial power exists by the express will of Christ Himself.

    The fact is that the globalist financiers are eradicating the notion of nationhood and driving the world into a single unified entity. If their motives are pecuniary so what? That does not mean that they are not doing exactly what Christ desires!

    Finally, consider the allusions to wealth and oppulence in Isaiah and other OT books and Revelation. Chapter 21 of Revelation’s Heavenly Jerusalem sounds like a banker’s paradise. Is that purely coincidental? Is Christ so feeble that greedy Jewish financiers can foil His plans and obstruct His Kingdom? I think not…

  64. John December 31, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

    The Agriculture department has just announced that 59 million acres of american farmland will be turned back over to nature by 2050.

    Please tell anybody that will listen to grow their own food from heirloom seeds. Just like Ukraine, its not if but WHEN this will happen.

    Folks, its time to be BOLD.

  65. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

    Re: serpentseed of December 30, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

    This is funny because my research says the original Hebrew Israelites were black people including Moses. If you take a critical look at the carvings in ancient Egypt all the figures have kinky hair and dark skin. And why would the God of the Israelites turn Moses’ hand white if Moses was already white? Makes no sense, however, if Moses was a black man and the God of the Israelites turned his hand white that would be some powerful Juju. Am I wrong in my percieved interpretation? Thanks.

    These are some excellent points. I also have heard the beginning of Revelation as evidence that Jesus was black skinned since it speaks of his skin burnished like bronze and his hair white like wool, ie kinky and negroid!

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread21678/pg1

    At any rate, Abraham was from Mesopotamia and was definitely brown skinned. The white Europeans who accepted Christ were grafted into His faith but attempted to overwhelm His gene pool with melanin-deficient skin!

    I met some black Hebrews here in North Carolina. They are dedicated and focussed and their faith keeps them off the streets, sort of like black moslems.

    They also speak Hebrew, although their pronunciation differs from that of white Judaics.

    I also concur about the presence of Edomite blood within Jewry since the time of John Hyrcanus, as Linda points out. However these Edomites mainly married in to the elites, like the Herodian line which married into the Maccabean line. I don’t think the average Judean was intermingled, but maybe I am wrong. Also the priests and Levites would have been careful not to marry in with Edomites.

  66. Degusted December 31, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

    The Jews like Blacks so much now.

    They were the one’s who made the most money out of slavery. See link below:

    http://www.blacksandjews.com/MarcLeeRaphael.htm

  67. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

    What do you make of this?

    JNF funds Christmas tree distribution in Jerusalem:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1260930882903&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

  68. Mariano December 31, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

    I want to salute the words submitted here by Michael Korn:

    “Is Christ so feeble that greedy Jewish financiers can foil His plans and obstruct His Kingdom? I think not…”

    I would add to this that those who claim to have the Spirit of Christ should live according to it and not according to the spirit of this present state of things. Remember what the apostle Paul said to the congregation in Rome:

    “If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

    “Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, IF INDEED WE SHARE IN HIS SUFFERINGS in order that we may also share in his glory.” (Romans 8:9-17)

    I also want to remind you all and even myself the following words addressed by the apostle James, the Lord’s brother, to the twelve tribes scattered in the dispersion:

    “All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

    “With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

    “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

    “But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.” (James 3:7-18)

    In other words, my wish for 2010 is that people commenting here at RZN quit fighting in a fleshly way and manner and passing down strange messages that come not from our Father in Heaven, for they give the sad impression of not even knowing the mind of neither the Lord nor the Spirit they claim to have received from Him.

    May our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ give peace, mercy and wisdom to His flock.

    Amen

    Blessings in the name of Jesus Christ to all of you!

  69. serpentseed December 31, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

    I think this may be OT but it does expose Jewish supremacy and the true history of blue blood royalty. I can’t find any copies of the book “Legions of Satan” written by Jonathan Williams in 1781, it seems as if it has just disappeared, never existed. Must be majik.

    http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=%22Legions+of+Satan%22+by+Jonathan+Williams&btnG=Search+Books

    Anyway, this short message was quoted in “Legions of Satan” and is rather prophetic.

    The message:

    “A holy war will now begin on America and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown. . . . “Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for Divine World Government. That government that they believe to be
    divine will be the British Empire.

    All religion will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses and they will all be under the invisible All-seeing Eye of the Grand Architech of Freemasonry.”

  70. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

    Interview with Catholic Writer Michael Jones on Jewish Revolutionaries:

    http://www.culturewars.com/2008/JRSInterview.htm

    22. Explain what you mean when you say the Jews rejected Christ/killed Christ. Are you saying that all the Jews in Jerusalem rejected Christ or only some? Are Jews today guilty of deicide? If so, how does this fit in with the idea that all sinners share responsibility for Christ’s suffering?

    No, obviously not. Many Jews accepted Christ as the Messiah. The situation becomes confusing because of how St. John, for one example, handles the term “Jew.” By the end of his Gospel, it’s clear that Jew no longer has a purely ethnic meaning.

    A Jew is primarily someone who rejects Christ. The ethnic Jews who did not reject Christ became known as the Church or the New Israel, at which point blood, DNA were not the point.

    Nostra Aetate says that “not all Jews at the time of Christ” were guilty of calling for his death. Logically, this, of course, means that some Jews at the time of his death were guilty of deicide. Using the definition of the Jew which St. John formulated, we could say that only Jews were responsible for his death.

    Those Jews also ratified that death when they said “Let his blood be on us and our children.” We are not talking about some occult “blood curse,” as some modern day Jews like to portray it. We are talking about a profound and premeditated form of rejection—murder being the ultimate form of rejection—that has perdured to this day.

    As long as Jews perdure in rejection they will be in the avant garde (as Marx would call it) of revolutionary ferment. Every Christian who sins participates in the rejection of Christ, but they will never constitute an avant garde like Jews because they cannot pervert their status as God’s chosen people because they never enjoyed that status.

    23. But wouldn’t what you have said make Pilate a Jew? And might there not have been a mass of Jews in Jerusalem who were merely indifferent to Christ?

    Pilate, as a matter of fact, did feel that he was being drawn into a Jewish struggle. That’s why he said at one point, “Am I a Jew?” If Pilate felt that way, then the Jews felt the same thing to a much greater degree, to the point where I would say that, at a certain level, no one in Jerusalem at that time was indifferent to Christ.

    The entire adult Jewish population was either for him or against him. In a sense, all of us have to become one kind of Jew or another, either the kind of Jew who accepted Christ or the kind who rejected him. The United States today is a Jewish country, which is to say a country where the culture is controlled by those Jews who rejected Christ. Any follower of those Jews who accepted Christ is going to be persecuted. As Yuri Slezkine said in his book The Jewish Century, modernity has turned us all into Jews.

  71. serpentseed December 31, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

    Keyworded for anonymity and to confuse censoring web bots. Regions of Saturn = Legions of Satan.

    The royal family is and has always been Jewish.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcDALSCVsD8

  72. Michael Korn December 31, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

    To Mario:

    I also want to remind you all and even myself the following words addressed by the apostle James, the Lord’s brother, to the twelve tribes scattered in the dispersion:

    “All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

    “But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.” (James 3:7-18)

    In other words, my wish for 2010 is that people commenting here at RZN quit fighting in a fleshly way and manner and passing down strange messages that come not from our Father in Heaven, for they give the sad impression of not even knowing the mind of neither the Lord nor the Spirit they claim to have received from Him.

    May our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ give peace, mercy and wisdom to His flock.

    Amen!

    I stumbled badly last night in a phone conversation with my brother, an observant Jew, spewing massive Jew hatred and intolerance to him and probably setting back any hope to bring him to Christ. May God forgive me!

  73. jgalindes December 31, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

    Dear RZN friends,

    Hope you all enjoy 2010 with good health and peace with your family, relatives and all those you love.

    And that through your prayers and good constructive comments help ,even in a very humble way, to enlighten other people to come and join this family.

    That the hardships awaiting all of us in the not so distant future be overcomed with the help of The Lord Jesus Christ.

  74. Timu December 31, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

    Protesting Ant:

    I don’t know if you are familiar with The British Israel or Christian Identity adherents. Their basic principles are similar to each other. They, like the Black Israelites, claim to have discovered “marks of identity” within the Holy Scriptures, that they feel must apply to them.

    However due to their “nationality based” point of view, must eventually confront the conflicts that arise by way of there being neither “Jew nor Greek” in Christ. They, just as the Black Israelites also view themselves as Christian.

    They can make a pretty convincing argument for their position, but it goes up in smoke in the light of New Testament Revelation concerning “those things of Christ” which were given by The Holy Spirit through the ministry of St.Paul and the Apostles.

    Salvation, by Grace and, not by race. Interestingly, if one were to compile a list of all the so called “marks of identity” that are to have accompanied the Israelites, and view them completely from a physical stand point; and also limit their fulfillment to within the present eon, the people who most fit the description are the Chinese.

    And that they don’t know it, is itself one of the supposed marks. One could make a better case for the Chinese being the “lost tribes”, than any other nationality.

    It all may seem harmless enough, on it’s face: but, just as the Jews, these groups inevitably view themselves as “chosen” or “favored”, and tend to apply the “Old Covenant” which is done away in Christ, to themselves.

    You will find such practices as Sabbath, the dietary laws, passover, tabernacles, and even the new moon being kept within their circles to varying degrees. That they project a “holier than thou” toward outsiders would be an understatement.

    Their writings and sermons are replete with “pseudo” intelligence based on the scant bit of Hebrew they employ in their communications. The greater harm though, is that all they hold true is false, they’re deceiving and being deceived. The Epistles of Romans, Ephesians, and Thessalonians are the basic ABC’s of the “Church” which is “His Body”.

    I would advise your good woman to write them off. They are, like others, “brain locked” til more light comes to them. Their cohesion and “in doctrines” make them almost cultish and they’ll ride a moot point forever. The only result I think your good woman will know is frustration and exhaustion.

    I hope this helps.

    Timu

  75. Lynda December 31, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

    Well, Michael Korn (and I do think you are running quite a number on this messageboard) -

    Pope St Pius X agrees with you.

    Here is a Multiple Choice Question. There is one correct answer. According to Pope St Pius X

    “All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to -

    a. greedy Jews their usury, banking scams and ponzi schemes

    b. blood drinking Jews and their blood passovers, child sacrifices and organ harvesting syndicates

    c. brainwashing Jews and their media / entertainment empires with mind pollution for the goyim 24/7

    f. poisoning Jews with their food racket, rabbinic curses upon the goyim introduced into the food chain through kasrut supervision of food processing, the kosher tax on the goyim

    g. guilt industry Jews

    h. Christian Jews who introduce heresies and Jewish fables into the Church

    i. Frankist Jews who converted / married into Islam and introduce Wahabism, Jihadism and a raft of nasties through their ‘royal’ dynasties like the House of Saud.

    j. Amsterdam Jews who backed the House of Orange and set up the City, the Bank of England and turned England into a corporation

    k. Masonic Revolutionary and Illuminati Jews who overthrew the monarchies and altar of Catholic Europe with their Revolution in France, Portugal, Spain, Italy etc

    l. JudeoBolsheviks who imposed the Communist Revolution (architects: Moses Hess and Karl Marx) on Russia - conservatively 50 million Christians genocided.

    m. JudeoBolsheviks who imposed the Communist Revolution on the Ukraine and genocided the Ukranians - the Holdomor

    n. Young Turk Jews responsible for the Armenian genocide.

    o. Communist Jews in the National Education Association of America busy 24 / 7 dumbing down the goyim in the schools

    p. Zionist Jews who created terrorism. E.g. Manecham “I am the father of terrorism” Began.

    q. Zionist Jews who are genociding the Palestinian people

    r. Zionist Jews and their U.S collaborators who pulled 9-11 : an inside CIA / Mossad false flag.

    s. Zionist Jews and their U.S. collaborators who are prosecuting a terror war on the peoples of the Middle East.

    t. Zionist Jews and their collaborators who are creating a hate law bureaucracy to prosecute thought crimes in the West

    u. Israeli Jews who own the United States of America (through the Rothschild / Rockefeller banking instrumentality) and are creating an NAU soviet Trilateral for the New / Jew World Order together with its gulags

    v. Wall Street Jews who are looting America wholesale

    w. The Jewish Middle Managers of the American government both executive and legislative in charge of dismantling the Republic.

    x. Jewish lobbies that pre-select American puppet gov’t functionaries

    y. Jewish spies for Israel that loot the U.S. of the nation’s classified information and keep the American population under surveillance

    z. Easy going Catholics

    The correct answer according to Pope St Pius X is Z - “easing going Catholics who do not defend the Catholic faith”.

    Capt Joe Cortina is definitely not one of those.

  76. charlie December 31, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

    Korn states:

    ‘but if Jews have found it easy to corrupt Christians and to co-opt pagans, then the fault is ours, not theirs.’

    - No it is the fault of the Jews, your statement is one of the most absurd I have ever heard.
    You go on to state “Further proof that the Jewish bankers are just Christ’s way to expose the wolves prowling amongst the lambs.”

    - Another apology for the Jews - Jewish Bankers are of Christ, of God.

    It gets even worse:

    ‘This suggests the possibility that Jewish financial power exists by the express will of Christ Himself.’

    Well, well, well. He just comes right out and says it -getting worse still.

    ‘If their motives are pecuniary so what? That does not mean that they are not doing exactly what Christ desires! ‘

    - Thats it, I’ve had enough!

    Christ does not desire evil in any way shape or form my friend. Maybe you have another ‘christ’ in mind, not the one I know.

    What you’re saying is that the entire Jew World Order, killing and torturing and enslaving the whole planet is your ‘christ’s’ plan, so he can have fun destoying it and showing how great he is.

    Again, not the Christ I know. You’re confusing mankinds’/Jews’ God given free will which has resulted in this mess with GOD’s will.

    Here you show your complete lack of understanding:

    ‘Chapter 21 of Revelation’s Heavenly Jerusalem sounds like a banker’s paradise.’

    A bankers’ paradise is not to have streets paved with gold but to hoard it away so that noone else can enjoy it, ie., just the opposite to your understanding.

    Your intentions may be good but you are way off base with regards the mind of God, confusing it with some other god ….. the Jewish ‘god’ of your parentage perhaps.

    I urge you to get a crucifix and meditate on its meaning.

    Jesus is a God of love. God does not come down from heaven and allow Himself to be nailed to two pieces of wood because of the free will choice of his adversaries for any reason but love.

    And his love offering is what saves us; ie., those who are moved by his love and grace, through the Holy Spirit for by ourselves we can do nothing.

  77. Lynda December 31, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

    While we are on the subject of Edom -

    Judea in Roman Palestine under the Procurator was a multi-ethnic population.

    The land of Judea was named for the Tribe of Judah - whose ancestral land this was. And there were descendents of Jacob living there - notably of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levites.

    The land of Edom and its Idumean inhabitants enlarged the border of Judah under the Maccabees when it was conqured by them. So, the land of Judea under Roman rule was the amalgamation of those two territories.

    There was a numerous Idumean / Edomite population in Judea. The Edomites had accepted the circumcision and observances of the Covenants of Israel at the time of John Hyrcanus II. They accepted the circumcision under the rule of the Pharisaic Sect (later called Judaism) of which John Hyrcanus II was a pupil.

    Also in Judea, there were also Romans, Greeks, Phoencians and Ethiopians mentioned.

    The main body of our Lord’s disciples came from his fellow, oppressed kinsmen of the tribes of Jacob - who resisted the Pharisaic Traditions of the Elders (Judaism). But he certainly had disciples from among the Pharisaic Idumeans.

    Whether of Jacob or Esau, those who took upon themselves the blood oath “his blood be upon us” were the Sanhedrin and the chief priests, Levites belonging to the Pharisaic / Judaic sect. The Talmud records this oath as the Judaic badge of honour and exults in it.

    The Talmd which is the codified Tradition of the Elders and supreme text of Pharisaism agrees with the New Testament record on this important point.

    When the Church was formed at Pentecost, our Lord’s own kin (the Desposyni) and extended kin: descendents of Jacob (whose Covenants were fulfilled in Him), as well as devout Idumeans holding to the laws of Moses went into the Church.

    Those to whom the oath applied: whether of Esau or Jacob were converted from Pharisaism / Judaism to the New Covenant. And in due course that Covenant would be opened to those nations not geneologically descended from Father Abraham.

    For the New Covenant, renunciation of Judaism was not optional; just as a Christian seeking baptism must do today in any congregation adhering to the Apostolic faith and tradition.

    The institution in occupation of the structures of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide no longer adheres to that Tradition.

    Nostra Aetate is a fundamental document of the Vatican II Council which introduced a new, ersatz religion (Judaism) into the Catholic Church. Much as Pharisaism was introduced into the religion and observances of the Israelite Covenants when that sect usurped the Chair of Moses under John Hyrcanus II.

    When the Chair of Peter was overthrown in Rome in 1958, the way was open to retool Catholic institutions as a Noachide entity. This project continues apace today under the Antipapacy and its Bilateral agreements with the Sanhedrin.

    The Israelite peoples were not a Negroid race. They are a Semitic race - of Abraham, a Chaldeean of Ur. There are many depictions of the Urgaritic peoples - the Phoenicians, the Chaldeeans (many of whose Culdee descendents are in Ireland). They are an unmistakable white skinned, grey eyed people.

    White people do not have an absence of melanin - because we can tan, we become a golden or bronzed colour through exposure to the sun. But in conditions like vitilago, leprosy, albinism - the white skin loses all melanin and becomes bleached. This is what the text about Moses hand describes.

  78. Justice December 31, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

    Michael Korn exhibits a very typical Jewish attitude which shows that even when some Jews convert (with the exception Brother Nathaniel, Bejamin Freedman, et all), they still have the same mindset, and still run cover for the Tribe.

    Exhibit A

    ‘but if Jews have found it easy to corrupt Christians and to co-opt pagans, then the fault is ours, not theirs.’

    Sure, blame the victims. Those goyim too innocent and decent and so easy to fleece and kill, so it’s THEIR fault, not the liars, deceivers, and murderers.

    Exhibit B

    ‘This suggests the possibility that Jewish financial power exists by the express will of Christ Himself.’

    Now I’ve heard it all. Christ sanctioned greed. Some Protestants would agree with Mr. Korn on this issue, being infected with Calvinism. Greed is good! The poor are lazy and deserve their fate. Catholic social justice teachings are for suckers, especially when there’s a buck to be made!

    I knew it wouldn’t be long before some smooth-talking Jewish apologist would try to take over this website. Mr. Korn’s mentality is not Christian. I’m sorry, it just isn’t.

  79. Marshall December 31, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

    Don’t know if everyone has seen this yet…video at Youtube as well…

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1137435.html

    Last update - 16:34 24/12/2009

    U.S. rabbi involved in sex scandal led fight against Israel conversions

    By Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent

    It is hard to imagine a more embarrassing situation in which to find an exclusive ultra-Orthodox organization - a group that was a standard-bearer in the fight against “breaches in the wall of conversion” and “the penetration of complete gentiles into the vineyard of Israel.”

    These breaches pale into insignificance in comparison with the accusations against the man who heads the organization itself: according to the claims, Rabbi Leib Tropper of Rockland County abandoned the apparently stringent Halakhic standards of his Haredi organization and established a conversion process based on his most private impulses.

    A report in the New York Post earlier this week revealed a sensational story about “a prominent Orthodox rabbi has been caught on tape discussing his apparent love affair with a shiksa he was converting to Judaism.”

    The woman involved is 32-year-old Shannon Orand of Houston, who still seeks to convert from Christianity to Judaism. The bulk of the report deals with embarrassing comments that the rabbi made during a phone call, during which he was recorded demanding the woman perform a number of sexual services for himself and his friends in exchange for granting her a conversion certificate.

    Only at the very end of the Post report is it mentioned that at the start of the month, Rabbi Tropper resigned from his position as head of the Eternal Jewish Family organization, which dealt with conversions. But the connection to the group is in fact the story’s punch line, making the affair another incident in the ongoing crisis in the world of conversion.

    This connection also explains the extent to which an alleged case of blackmail has rocked the rabbinic world in Israel and the United States, and also has a complex relationship with the business dealings of the chairman of the Beitar Jerusalem soccer club, Brazilian Jewish entrepreneur Guma Aguiar.

    Rabbi Tropper’s stated goal in founding the Eternal Jewish Family was to “fortify the walls of conversion,” amid an ideological debate between the Haredi and national camps in Israel. While functioning as a well-known rabbi in the New York area and head of the Kol Yaakov yeshiva, Rabbi Tropper enlisted wealthy Jews in the Haredi fight against to non- ultra-Orthodox conversions, especially those carried out by special conversion courts in Israel headed by Rabbi Haim Druckman.

    As such, the doors of senior Haredi officals were thrown open to him, including that of Rabbi Shalom Elyashiv, a leader of the Lithuanian Haredi sect, and rabbi Tropper himself had the title of gaon (”most learned”) bestowed upon him by the ultra-Orthodox press - all because of his efforts and comments against conversions by the Conversion Authority, against the “infiltration” of gentiles into the people of Israel.

    When news of the affair began to emerge two weeks ago, posters denouncing Tropper were plastered across the Haredi city of Bnei Brak, whose title commanded: “Leave impurity.” The text’s anonymous authors threatened that if he did not quit the organization, “We will publicize our voice aloud, accompanied by pornographic pictures and shocking video clips.” The rabbi did indeed announce his resignation, but failed in his efforts to hush up the affair.

    It was leaked to American Jewish bloggers, the audio tape was posted on YouTube, and the Post published the story (under the headline “Tal-mood for love: Sex-tape rabbi tries to ’share’ hottie,” referring to one of Tropper’s demands in the tape).

    The current scandal is not the first in which the Eternal Jewish Family and Tropper have been involved. Tropper recently accused Aguiar of assaulting him in a Jerusalem hotel in April while the rabbi served as a prosecution witness against the businessman in a civil suit in Florida. Aguiar - who recently resigned from the organization - is accused of entering Rabbi Leib Tropper’s room at the David Citadel Hotel, assaulting him and threatening to cause him further harm.

    At the time of the alleged attack, Tropper was testifying at Aguiar’s trial on embezzlement charges brought before a Florida court by the businessman’s uncle, Thomas Kaplan.

    As part of a war of slander between the pair, a notice was published in the Haredi newspaper Hamevaser, according to which rabbis close to Aguiar gave up their stringent halakhic demands with regard to his wife. The notice alleges that the businessman is “married to a woman who underwent a very dubious conversion.”

    Tropper’s associates claim that Orand, the tape and the posters are all connected to this legal dispute. One of the associates told Haaretz that, “Guma Aguiar succeeded in throwing Rabbi Tropper to the trash.”

    Saul Sadka contributed to this article

  80. Hoff December 31, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

    Mandatory video.

    “David Irving being brutally honest”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvcfRXqkYuk

  81. Lynda December 31, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

    Charlie, I do hear you and I know that the Lord’s permissive will can be a scandal to those who have not really thought through the issues of concern to you.

    The Psalmist puts it like this: “I have seen the wicked man overbearing and flourishing like the green-bay tree” Ps 37:35

    This was a scandal then; it is a scandal now.

    This is not a toy world or a comfortable world or a world that suits the tastes of those who just want to live and let live. This is a real world. And persons have true moral will which they do exercise for good or for evil in fact.

    It is not possible for a world of fallen, unregenerate men to just be nice to each other, respect each others’ values and get along.

    In the real world there does exist a distinct population driven to actualize the lie of the serpent: ‘ye shall be as gods’. They are characterized by merciless greed, burning ambitions, hatred of God and will to possess all the earth for an elite few and their descendents. They do intend to put Lucifer on the throne of the world.

    And, our Lord as King, may well decide to give them their little moment of triumph as due punishment for their sins.

    EVEN SO.

    The Lord Jesus Christ is King. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He declares “all power is given to me in heaven and upon earth” Matt 28:18

    Quas Primas, Pope Pius XI Dec 11, 1925 (ex cathedra) defines the Kingship of our Divine Lord as a Universal Kingship

    First, He is King by nature, by reason of the Hypostatic Union with his Father, “all things are created by Him and for Him” Col 1:15-21 also Hebrews 1. “He is the Heir of all things”. He is the “Head of His Body, the Church”.

    He must reign until all enemies are under his feet. 1 Cor 15:25. Indeed all of world and time since His Victory upon the Cross is this process of our reigning Lord placing his enemies under His feet.

    Quas Primas goes on to state that our Lord is King - even over his most determined foes - by right of His Victory upon the Cross.

    This entire age of the world, perishing in its sins is seated in wickedness. 1 John 5:19.

    Satan has indeed been thrown down by our Lord’s Victory, the Luciferian entitlements and claims have been nullified before the Judgement Seat of Heaven. But the defeated enemy still has sway through the spiritual principalities and powers (and their human agents)in high places committed to the Luciferian ambition. They are pretenders.

    The Church comes forth from the waters of baptism and the fires of Chrismation as new creation in Christ with a special commission to assert our Lord’s Victory against these pretenders.

    If, however, the Church abandons the faith and the Divine Commission as an order, as the Church Militant, then into the vacuum the ancient powers (and their deluded human agents) will assert the Luciferian ambition. These are the five “I wills” set forth in the prophet Isaiah 14.

    The gates of hell can not prevail against the Church founded upon our Lord himself as the Chief cornerstone (Eph 2:20) with the Rock of Peter set upon Himself (Matt 16:18), the Apostles and Prophets aligning to this order with the Christian nations, tribes, clans, families and individuals built up on them.

    This order will again appear in the world, (in the restitution of all things Acts 3:21- omnia instaurare in Christo). The Catholic Church calls this “in the end our Lady’s Immaculate Heart will triumph” - to the glory of Christ the King.

    When that day comes, the Old Babel / New Babel World Order agenda of the defeated powers will be very quickly dealt with.

    The gates of hell can not prevail against the Church. That is why no effort has been spared on the part of the enemies of our Lord to wreck it. And at this time it is wrecked - well and truly. The Holy See is usurped, most if not all higher clergy of all patriarchates, episcopacies, archdioceses are Masons or crypto rabbis. And the ‘christians’ for the most part are heading into the new world order ecumenical church of all denominations and religions led by the Antipapacy / Sanhedrin, the WCC etc.

    The Christians (a very beleagured few in number) holding to Apostolic Traditions dispute among themselves over the issues used by the enemies of the Church working from within to create heresies, reformation, schism, revolution.

    Fortunately, it is not the decision of Christians persevering in the holy faith by endless disputes, but rather the disposition of the King Himself, how long His one, holy, catholic and apostolic order is to be wrecked in this chastisement for our sins.

    Please stay tuned. Or better yet, make reparations for the sins that have caused this disaster. Prayer and penance, the devout recitation of our Lady’s Rosary and fasts will shorten the time between now and the great events that are to occur for the restoration of the Church.

    These events will occur and there is nothing the foes of our Lord will able to do about it.

    The question is: will he find the true faith among those who are at presently awash in the break up of the Church. Will anyone be holding on to a piece of flotsam that itself contains the totality of the faith.

    If you are devoutly reciting the Holy Rosary of our Lady, contemplating the Mysteries of Her Immaculate Heart and making reparation for poor sinners, then, yes - He will find faith.

  82. Lynda December 31, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

    Justice,

    It is a very desireable thing for a soul to come out of the slavery of Judaism to the freedom of Christ.

    To convert, such a one must renounce Judaism before entering the waters of baptism.

    Benjamin Freedman (may his Godly soul repose in the peace of our Lord) was an AshKhanazi Jew by birth and by faith. By God’s grace he became a Christian. He was baptised into the Roman Catholic Church (before Vatican II post conciliar religion took over the Catholic instutions)

    Therefore, he made a public abjuration of Judaism. An exocist would have removed the curse of the blood oath (stated in both the New Testament and the Talmud) from his righteous soul.

    He belongs to a very elect group of Khazarian Christians and much of that record is military.

  83. Hoff December 31, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

    http://www.davidduke.com/general/why-jewish-extremist-organizations-have-been-promoting-black-causes_15126.html#more-15126

  84. The Prodigal Son December 31, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

    Brainy Zek,

    Hello again… I hope you are having a blessed CHRISTmas season, and a happy new year to you & yours also !

    I see you are again referencing the Naturei Karta ‘Jews’… reiterating your assertion that there is a “distinction between the religious Torah worshipping Jew and the zionist jew who murders, rapes and destroys any and every item of moral value!”…

    I believe I have already demonstrated that the “Torah worshipping ‘Jews’” which you speak of are really TALMUD worshippers… are you familiar with the Talmud sir ?

    You may view the Talmud in its disgusting enrirety here:

    http://www.come-and-hear.com

    I don’t understand how you can stick up for folks who believe that Jesus was NOT Christ - but a sorcerer, Who is now (they say) boiling in a vat of excrement for eternity !

    Just by the way you say, ” religious Torah worshipping ‘Jews’” - it sounds to me like you have the notion that all these ‘Jews’ do is protest the powers that be… and the rest of the time they spend sitting meekly and studying the WRITTEN Torah of the Old Testament while they wait for their ‘Shiloh’…

    I’m sorry sir - but these Naturei Karta ‘rabbis’ study the SAME Talmud as the other “rabbi scum” you mention elsewhere in your post !

    The ‘traditions of men’ (the oral laws) are today enshrined in the Babylonian Talmud. When Christ warned to beware the leaven of the Pharisees - I believe he spoke of the Talmud.

    The references in Revelation 2:9, 3:9 are (I believe) a direct reference to the Edomites (who had become ‘Jews’ - as in Judeans, but who were NOT ‘Jews’ - as in Judahites)…

    Look at the verses in the gospel of John - especially chapters 7 & 8… Here we see a couple of clues that these were not real ‘Jews’ (Judahites - like Jesus), but were only ‘Jews’ in that they were redidents of the Roman province of Judea (Judeans)….

    1) They say they have never been in bondage to anyone… The Israelites of course WERE taken in bondage, but Edomites (who are, nevertheless blood descendants of Abraham) WERE NOT.

    2) They showed that they posessed only a superficial knowlegde of the Scriptures when they said, “No prophet has arisen out of Galilee.”… because the prophet Jonah was also from Galilee as Scripture records.

    In the gospel of John, where the made-up word ‘Jew’ is used, it should really be read as: ‘Judeans’. Not all Judeans were tribal Judahites… some ‘Jews’ (Judeans) were not even of Israel at all !

    I believe that all the ‘Jews’ (Judeans) who WERE of Israel went on to become Christians… while the ‘Jews’ (Judeans) who were NOT of Israel - but instead were of EDOM - went on to represent what we now know as ‘Jews’ (the reactionary anti-Christ cult religion based on Pharisaiam).

    I think a proof of this can also be found in John ch.8, where Jesus says to the Judeans, “He who is of God hears God’s words (…)”, and also when He says that He came only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Edomites most certainly are not of Israel.

    Put your faith in Christ Mr. Brainy Zek - not in anti-christ fake ‘Jews’ ! Naturei Karta are just another bunch of Kol Nidre praying, anti-Christ Talmudic ‘Jews’ !

    When you hear, “religious Torah worshipping ‘Jews’”… understand that this ALWAYS means ‘anti-Christ Talmud worshipping FAKE Jews’ in today’s world !

    The only ‘Jews’ who do not follow the laws of rabbis in the ‘oral Torah’ (the Talmud) are the Karaite ‘Jews’ & perhaps some Ethiopians & Samaritans…

    But out of 16-20 million ‘Jews’ on the planet today, there are scarcely more than 100,000 of these ‘Jews’ - WORLDWIDE !

    Could these be a part of the 144,000 ‘virgin Jews’ ? I don’t know… but I am quite sure that any TALMUDIC ‘Jews’ (like Naurei Karta) are a part of the synagogue of Satan - because of the beliefs they hold regarding our Lord, Jesus the Christ.

  85. the brainy zek December 31, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

    Re: prodigal son

    The Talmud is the Bible of Israel. IT IS THE MOST OBSCENE BOOK OF ALL TIME!

    I do not see Naturei Karta jews worshipping the Talmud!

    Naturei Karta Jews are Americans and are as American as I am or as apple pie!

    Naturei Karta Jews are not my enemy, Moslems are not my enemy, Buddhists are not my enemy! Zionists are my enemy and deserve every effort of condemnation and defeat my actions can offer!

  86. The Prodigal Son December 31, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

    Michael Korn,

    In response to some of your points:

    1) Judaism (as it was - the Law of Moses) - MINUS the oral laws is fulfilled in Christ.

    Judaism (as it is today) is actually Pharisaism, and exists OUTSIDE the pearl of Christendom.

    If the oyster is the world… then Christ is the sand and the pearl is the Church - unpenetrable (against which the gates of hades shall not prevail).

    2) The papacy is controlled by Rothschilds who hold all the monies of the church of Rome.

    You make it sound like the pope is responsible for the usury practiced by ‘Jews’… when exactly the opposite is true - ‘Jews’ are responsible for what the pope has done !

    3) We DO NOT have to ‘tolerate’ ‘Jewry’s’ corrupting influence !

    We (as Christians) are to REPROVE their deeds & EXPOSE them for the anti-Christ deceivers that they are. We should never tire in countering their doctrines and un-fruitful works of darkness, so that we may prevent others from falling prey to their seducing lies.

    We must recognize them (wise as serpents) and shine our Christ given light on them.

    4) The ORIGINAL Hebrew Scriptures are from God - NOT ‘Jewry’ ! Scripture was not given to ‘Jews’ - but to the Hebrews. Even Israel is not synonymous with ‘Jews’.

    Before Christ were Israelites of the circumcision… AFTER Christ - there were only Christians and ‘Jews’.

    Therefore Christianity never inherited anything from ‘Jewry’, because ‘Jewry’ is a REACTION to Jesus Christ - a REJECTION of Him and His heavenly grace.

    These ‘Jews’ (really Pharisees) REJECT the Hebrew Scriptures as they were written, and ONLY look at the Pentateuch and the Prophets through the cocked, bloodshot eye of the Talmud.

    As for Jesus ‘endorsing’ ‘Jewish’ financial power - He spoke of ‘bankers’ PAYING interest on savings, NOT charging USURIOUS interest on loans ! ‘Jewish’ financial power as it exists today is based on CHARGING extreme interest - not on paying it !

    When I was young, you could leave $20 in the bank and it would GROW… That is no longer the case. The bank today will nickel and dime your $20 w/ service charges until it’s all gone !

    The ‘globalist financiers’ do NOT conform to the will of Christ… They do the deeds of their father - the devil ! By their fruits we shall know them.

    Regarding the notion that Moses was black… it honestly would not bother me if he WAS black - but I don’t think it can be proven from Scripture.

    That someone’s hair was ‘white like wool’ does not mean that it was also ‘kinky and negroid’. I have seen many men (white and otherwise) who had hair that was white like wool.

    And the fact that Moses’ hand was turned white - LIKEWISE does not mean he was black !

    I am ‘white’… but if I were to dip my hand into say - 35% H202 (hydrogen peroxide) - then my hand will turn EVEN WHITER than it was… as in LITERALLY white.

    There are shades of white and even ‘white’ people are not really white - but more like a peachy off-white.

    So let’s be careful with that, let’s be sure… and really - what does it matter anyway ?

  87. The Prodigal Son December 31, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

    Dear Brainy Zek,

    Hi again… Happy New Year to you sir, and to everyone here !

    I’m sorry sir, I thought I was clear last time we spoke here… sometimes I have a hard time explaining myself…

    Though if my memory serves me - I believe I provided you with a direct quote from their website… but…

    Anyway, you say you’ve been to the ‘Jews Against Zionism’ website before… next time you’re there - click on ‘Questions & Answers’… read everything in there. It’s not much, ther are references to the Talmud, and testimonies of how ONLY the ‘rabbis’ can interpret the Scriptures PROPERLY.

    You can also click on ‘Scriptures’, but in order to access that area - you must answer 2 passkey questions. They are:

    1) How many commandments are in the Torah ?

    2) What is the # of blessings which must be given to God each day ?

    You must also enter a name… The answers are:

    1) 613

    2) 19

    As for the name - I know for a fact that ‘Joshua’ works !

    Once you get past the passkey questions, you are given access to pdf files of Talmudic writings. That these are found under the heading of ‘Scriptures’ could be construed as slightly misleading IMO.

    I hope I haven’t offended you… I only try to speak the truth in love.

  88. Timu January 1, 2010 @ 2:17 am

    Dear Prodigal Son:

    That today’s ‘Jews’ will convert to Christ at His appearing has no scriptural basis. In Revelation, we see the 144,000 out of all the tribes of Israel sealed and standing as the special company who escort the Lamb where ever He goes.

    It is conjecture alone which sees these as converts from among today’s Jews. There are some very important points to consider when speculating upon the identity of this company. Firstly, no one alive today can know from what tribe, if indeed any, of Israel he might belong.

    However this was not always the case. When Israel truly was a nation, there were those who were faithful, and also many who looked toward the coming of Our Lord, and believed in Him ‘before the fact ‘ so to speak. Our Blessed Mother, Saint Joseph, Zachariah and Elizabeth and countless others, including those named in the Book of Hebrews, in chapter XI can be attested to as a witness, that God, in times past, had His faithful in Israel.

    When we look at the ‘Heroes of Faith’, out of ancient Israel, that are displayed before us in Hebrews XI, we must pay particular attention to the thirty-fifth verse. For, in it we are given the reward for which all these so endured; “that they might obtain a better resurrection”.

    We see also that the 144,000, of Revelation, are defined to us in chapter XIV, which tells us of them, in the fourth verse,” these were redeemed from among men the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb” This phrase, and especially where the word “firstfruits” is used pertains to resurrection.

    The Biblical usage of the word ‘firstfruits’ in the New Testament usually refers to a resurrection, though not limited to this usage, it certainly seems to be the case here, and falls perfectly in line with the hope of the faithful in ancient Israel; that, they would live in resurrection glory in the Messianic Kingdom.

    http://timutele.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/the-kingdom-of-heaven-suffereth-violence/

  89. Jarrad January 1, 2010 @ 3:02 am

    Hey there Prodigal Son,

    I know you hit a main vein with the last two posts you have above. I can’t possibly agree more with your beliefs.

    As a Christian, our duty is to the Church. We shouldn’t distinguish ourselves from each other, hence I always use Church instead of the name of a particular Church. And, if not a Church goer, than at a bare minimum, a Christian needs to support his/her fellow Christian in whatever way he/she can (financially, morally, and even scientifically and militarily). I really believe Christianity is steadily losing ground to the Muslims, although our faith is very strong still.

    America is on the fence now with regard to Jewish influence. We as Christians not only need to provide multiple rebuttals to Jewish lines of reasoning, but also to be rather direct in mentioning that Jews were immagrants, just like everyone else.

    Now, I’m not going to go into Native American history, because that’s self-defeating in that it’s an issue that cannot be changed. America may have a bloody past, but as an American, I don’t feel guilty because it wasn’t me who participated in this bloody past. Their isn’t a single ethnicity, race, or group of people who haven’t been brutal to others or to themselves or to both.

    America as a nation, a very young too, has come the farthest than any other nation on the face of the Earth. I truly believe what the Prodigal Son describes as his convictions are right on. It doesn’t matter what skin color Jesus actually had.

    For me, the point is to learn about what it is to be a Christian, and to attempt to follow the lifestyle of Christ. Does this mean that we go to Church often? Does this mean that we don’t curse, kill, torture, or do any evil? That’s just not possible.

    With this said, all readers can probably tell where this is headed. As of today, most of the world is still Christian. As the largest religious group, it is our moral obligation to set an example, and not necessarily by converting others to Christianity.

    I can’t possibly stress it any other way but it’s just high time we recognize Muslims are no better the Jews. I’m not entirely sure why people are not ridiculing Muslims too. They are actually are a lot like Jews.

    However, I must say that black plight was very real in American history and the more recent catastrophe in New Orleans really hammered home a point to Bush and other whites.

    Evangelist Christians shouldn’t be doing the bidding of Jews or anyone else that may or may have not been involved in NOT rescuing stranded blacks. That is, even if Jews weren’t behind the whole negligence deal, we still shouldn’t be doing their bidding.

    Am I black? I most certainly am not. I’m I proud to be white? Absolutely. Do I believe whites are the supreme race? Yes, but not in a crazed manner. I know we are the supreme race because history proves this again and again and again and agian. Does this mean that white behaviors, decisions, morals, and values are without flaws? No, and no one should expect us to act righteously every second of every day.

    It is an inherently white characteristic to be a Christian. A vast majority of whites are, until today, Christian. Who converts to Judaism and Islam? I could be wrong, but I don’t think whites normally convert to those religions.

    Anyway, I again got side tracked here but all see the transparent rational thoughts I have. Brother Nathanael, I’ve hit a rough spot the past few months, and so I wasn’t able to contribute to your website’s success. I will surely do this in January though.

  90. The Prodigal Son January 1, 2010 @ 3:31 am

    If I may, a direct quote from the ‘Jews Against Zionism’ website which plainly states what I have stated:

    “The Jews follow the Torah, that is the Five Books of Moses. That is the supreme law for us and no other prophet or legislator can supercede it. However, we also believe in all the prophets up through Malachi (the Old Testament prophets) because they did not come to change the Torah, only to encourage people to keep it and rebuke the sinners.

    We believe in the TALMUD which EXPLAINS THE TRUE MEANING of the laws of the Torah, and we follow the Jewish commentaries on the TALMUD which in turn EXPLAIN ITS MEANING. Jews do not believe that Muhammad was a prophet.

    We see as a positive development the fact that Muslims believe in the oneness of G-d and do not worship idols as their Arabic ancestors did. We believe that G-d gave seven commandments to the non-Jews, and the prohibition on idolatry is one of them.”

    Also FYI… These ‘Jews’ are extolling the Muslims for their belief in the ‘oneness’ of God… this is a direct dig at Christians & the reality of the Trinity of God.

    Reading between the lines - we see that they feel that Christians who believe in the Tri-Unity of God and in the Deity of Jesus Christ ARE idolaters (which - according to their beloved Talmud is grounds for capital punishment by beheading for non-observance of the ‘Noahide laws’).

    They too reveal a naked ignorance of their own rabbinical writings - in that their own ‘Zohar’ CLEARLY states that God is Three and One at the same time !

  91. the brainy zek January 1, 2010 @ 5:47 am

    Re: Prodigal son

    Say, thanks for your response.

    I have never been to a site “jews against zionism” I have only been to NATUREI KARTA a hundred or more times and never found anything objectionable or anything but pro-American sentiments!

    I believe we are talking apples and oranges. Again thanks!

  92. Timu January 1, 2010 @ 6:33 am

    Prodigal Son-

    “We believe that G-d gave seven commandments to the non-Jews, and the prohibition on idolatry is one of them.” And in accordance, the worship of Jesus Christ is a “crime” of idolatry, to be punished by beheading!

    “Brother Christians ‘the handwriting is upon the wall.’”

  93. Malcolm X January 1, 2010 @ 7:38 am

    Malcolm X Autobiography.

    “I told him that, yes, I gave Jew credit for being among all other whites the most active, and the most vocal, financier, “leader” and “liberal” in the Negro civil rights movement. But I said at the same time I knew that the Jew played these roles for a very careful strategic reason: the more prejudice in America could be focused upon the Negro, then the more the white Gentiles’ would keep diverted off the Jew. I said that to me, one proof that all the civil rights posturing of so many Jews wasn’t sincere was that so often in the North the quickest segregationist were Jews themselves…

    And an even clearer proof for me of how Jews truly regard Negroes, I said, was what invariably happened wherever a Negro moved into a neighborhood that was thickly Jewish. Who would lead the whites’ exodus? The Jews!” [p. 380]

    Written and known about 60/70 odd years ago, nothing new said under the old familiar sun.

  94. Brother Nathanael January 1, 2010 @ 10:24 am

    @ The Brainy Zek

    Thanks for your great comments dear Brainy.

    You mentioned last time that you misplaced a Western Union donation to me that you were going to send along.

    I am not sure that I ever received that…

    +BN

  95. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 10:25 am

    More proof the Israelites were a black people. When Moses’ half-sister Miriam spoke out against Moses for marrying a woman from another nation (not race) the God of the Israelites turned her leprous, white as snow.

    Miriam was then sent out from the camp for seven days in the middle of the desert with no melanin in her skin, must have been torturous.

    Numbers 12
    Miriam and Aaron Oppose Moses:

    1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2 “Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?” they asked. “Hasn’t he also spoken through us?” And the LORD heard this.

    3 (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

    4 At once the LORD said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. 5 Then the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward,

    6 he said, “Listen to my words:

    “When there are prophets of the LORD among you,
    I reveal myself to them in visions,
    I speak to them in dreams.

    7 But this is not true of my servant Moses;
    he is faithful in all my house.

    8 With him I speak face to face,
    clearly and not in riddles;
    he sees the form of the LORD.
    Why then were you not afraid
    to speak against my servant Moses?”

    9 The anger of the LORD burned against them, and he left them.

    10 When the cloud lifted from above the tent, Miriam’s skin was leprous [a]—it became as white as snow. Aaron turned toward her and saw that she had a defiling skin disease, 11 and he said to Moses, “Please, my lord, I ask you not to hold against us the sin we have so foolishly committed. 12 Do not let her be like a stillborn infant coming from its mother’s womb with its flesh half eaten away.”

    13 So Moses cried out to the LORD, “Please, God, heal her!”

    14 The LORD replied to Moses, “If her father had spit in her face, would she not have been in disgrace for seven days? Confine her outside the camp for seven days; after that she can be brought back.” 15 So Miriam was confined outside the camp for seven days, and the people did not move on till she was brought back.

    16 After that, the people left Hazeroth and encamped in the Desert of Paran.

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/num/12.html

  96. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

    The Imposter Jews mentioned in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 have decieved all of humanity by tampering with the Bible and portraying Jesus as a white man. First, Africans are the only people who have “wooly” hair.

    Also, leprosy is really albinoism or lack of melanin. It looks like a disease but is really harmless provided albinos stay out of the sun. However, if an albino gets sun burned they will blister and lesions will appear and could actually turn cancerous.

    http://www.afrikaansealbinos.nl/Images/thumbBIG_moederkind.jpg

  97. absurity January 1, 2010 @ 1:44 pm

    Black Israelite racism and their attention seeking childish absurdity.

    Since when was “wooly” ever associated with “African hair”? cant you point us all to that? lol

    What childish gibberish. Everyone here is talking about the most detailed current events, and you want to talk about ‘hair’. Haha. I just find it pathetically humorous. Shouldn’t you be on a street corner in Harlem yelling at citizens?

    Anyways, the word ‘wooly’ (if you really want to get down to it) is associated with northern livestock. It can also be associated with the coat of the woolly mammoth. A now extinct elephant who lived in cold Northern areas. The wool of the wooly mammoth was straight and thick, providing warmth for its cold environment. Anyone can look up the wooly mammoth to see whats its ‘hair’ looked like.

    If thats too complicated for someone like you serpentseed, try to think of snuffalufagus from sesame street. I know blacks in america watch ALOT of tv.

  98. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

    Out of respect for Bro. Nate I will refrain from cutting you to ribbons. Attack the message Mr. Absurd, prove my points wrong with Scripture. This is (supposedly) a moderated forum where personal attacks are a no no.

    Hell, at least you could have apologized for God by rewriting his words the way they were supposed to have been written in the first place. As for you personally…all I have to say is. Lol, sssss.

  99. KathJuliane January 1, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus, serpentseed

    The ‘Black Israelite’ claim that Moses, Miriam, were black, as in “negroid” carries a logical fallacy, my good brother.

    That’s like saying if I, a Greco-Scot female, married a Chinese man then my genetic race is really Chinese.

    If, according to this “afro-centric” reasoning (and its not the context of the passage as the sin she was stricken for was speaking against Moses as the prophet of God and her rebellion and disobedience, attempting to usurp his divinely assigned role) that Miriam was criticizing Moses for marrying a Cushite because she was negroid (which is the anthropologically technical term for the popular racial usage of “black”) then that certainly would infer that Moses and Miriam was not “negroid” to begin with.

    Cush = “burnt”, “hot”, dark, dusky, does not necessarily mean “negroid”, or someone from “black Africa”. As a patronym for a geographical territories, the Cushite woman is literally “woman from the land/tribes of Cush”. But there was also pagan gods with derivatives of “Cush” as well.

    shachowr = absolute black; jet black. This would have certainly been used if the context was the Nubian “negroid” woman instead of Cush.

    laban = white (color)

    tsara = scourge, plague, afflicted, disease, stricken.

    The word leprosy comes from ancient Greek λέπρα [léprā], “a disease which makes the skin scaly”, in turn a nominal derivation of the verb λέπω [lépō], “to peel, scale off”. The word came into the English language via Latin and Old French.

    This is a very general problem in biblical exegesis (not picking on anyone) with “prooftexting” from scraps of Scriptural verses out of context with the rest of the associated verses, and even complete chapters in order to fit a preconceived theory.

    In the Greek Septuagint (and KJV substantially the same) Numbers 12:10-12 it clearly describes Mariam’s affliction as sudden, terrible and disfiguring in appearance because of Mariam and Aaron’s sin against Moses as the prophet of God whom the Lord Himself chose. Aaron even describes what he and Moses beheld and his shocked horror over his sister Mariam’s sudden and drastic chastisement, but it was also directed at Aaron, the High Priest of Israel to prompt his repentence on behalf of her as intercessor:

    “And the Cloud [of the Lord] departed from the tabernacle; and behold! Miriam was *leprosa* [scaly, skin peeling off], as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam and, behold! she was leprosa.

    (The word “white” is not in the LXX original but a legitimate interpretive italicized insertion by translators to attempt to make the meaning clearer, especially from the Hebrew texts…the KJV also has it italicized. Without the word “white” a dreadful picture emerges, her skin was shedding itself like a snowstorm).

    And Aaron said to Moses, “I beseech thee, my lord, do not lay sin upon us, for we were ignorant wherein we sinned: Let her not be as it were like death, as an abortion coming out of his mother’s womb, when the disease devours the half of the flesh!”

    And Moses cried to the Lord, saying “O Theos, I beseech Thee, heal her!” And the Lord said to Moses, “if her father had only spit in her face, would she not be ashamed seven days? let her be set apart seven days without the camp, and afterwards she shall come in.”

    [”Spit in her face”. This is a Semitic idiom. In the East, spitting is an insult. Only holy men could spit on a wound. Spitting on a wound is practiced by holy men as a rebuke to diseases and the evil which caused them. It is a repudiation of the power of evil. Recognized healers spit on the face or other diseased part of the body as a means of cure. They would not hesitate to do this even to a nobleman.

    In effect, the Lord was saying, “I spit in her face [rebuke this evil pride and rebellion in Mariam] and she will be completely cured in seven days; let her spend the time ashamed of the reasons for her affliction in repentence outside the camp, and make this a rememberance and a lesson to you all.”

    The word biblically translated “leprosy” was a generic term in Leviticus as part of the priesthood’s responsibility as diagnosticians and spiritual physicians in relation to personal sin and God’s chastisements and ritual purity for any affliction; skin diseases (Hansen’s disease or leprosy proper, psoriasis, eczema which do turn the diseased areas white), infections and boils turned bad, or gangrene.

    There was even “stricken with leprosy” for houses, tents, animal skins and clothing – mold, mildew and fungus.

    Hansen’s was a very dreaded disease. Evidence of leprosy (Hansen’s disease) has been detected in prehistoric human remains, and the disease has been described in Biblical and other historical records dating as far back as the 2nd millennium B.C.E.

    It was a feared disease, and its victims were shunned because of their disfiguring stigmata—collapsed facial bones, fingers, and toes, with the hands and feet ultimately rotted away.

    Aaron’s horrified description of the stricken Mariam’s appearance certainly fits this.

    Leprosy was among the first diseases identified as contagious. Early societies took measures to shield their healthy members from contagion: lepers were obliged to wear distinctive clothing and carry a bell to warn others of their presence, or they were segregated in lazarettos, precursors of quarantine stations and isolation hospitals.

    Cush - the name of two biblical men and a land

    A son, probably the eldest, of Ham, and the father of Nimrod (Gen. 10:8; 1 Chr. 1:10).

    From him the land of Cush seems to have derived its name.

    Land of Cush — The term Cush is in the Old Testament generally applied to the countries south of the Israelites. It was the southern limit of Egypt (Ezek. 29:10, A.V. “Ethiopia,” Hebrew: Cush), with which it is generally associated (Ps. 68:31; Isa. 18:1; Jer. 46:9, etc.).

    It stands also associated with Elam (Isa. 11:11), with Persia (Ezek. 38:5), and with the Sabeans (Isa. 45:14).

    From these biblical facts it has been inferred that Cush included Arabia and the country on the west coast of the Red Sea. Rawlinson took it to be the country still known as Khuzi-stan, on the east side of the Lower Tigris, but there was also a Cush in Africa, the Ethiopia (as called by the Greeks) of Africa.

    Ezekiel speaks (29:10; compare 30:4-6) of it as lying south of Egypt. It was the country now known to us as Nubia and Abyssinia (Isa. 18:1; Zeph. 3:10, Hebrew: Cush). In ancient Egyptian inscriptions Ethiopia is termed Kesh.

    The Cushites appear to have spread along extensive tracts, stretching from the Upper Nile to the Euphrates and Tigris. At an early period there was a stream of migration of Cushites “from Ethiopia, properly so called, through Arabia, Babylonia, and Persia, to Western India.”

    The Hamite tribes, soon after their arrival in Africa, began to spread north, east, and west.

    Some biblical scholars find three branches of the Cushite stock, moving from Western Asia, settled in the regions contiguous to the Persian Gulf. One branch, called the Cossaeans, settled in the mountainous district on the east of the Tigris, known afterwards as Susiana; another occupied the lower regions of the Euphrates and the Tigris; while a third colonized the southern shores and islands of the gulf, whence they afterwards emigrated to the Mediterranean and settled on the coast of Palestine as the Phoenicians.

    Nimrod was a great Cushite chief. He conquered the Accadians, a Tauranian race, already settled in Mesopotamia, and founded his kingdom, the Cushites mingling with the Accads, and so forming the Chaldean nation.

    A Benjamite of this name is mentioned in the title of Ps. 7. Cush was probably a follower of Saul, the head of his tribe, and had sought the friendship of David for the purpose of ‘rewarding evil to him that was at peace with him.

  100. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

    Anybody care to explain how Jacob and Rebecca stole Esau’s blessing?

    First they conspired to decieve, then they lied, then they put wooly sheep skin on Jacob’s hands to fool old, blind Issac.

    Maybe Issac’s taste buds were failing too, because the savory meat Jacob brought him was not venison.

    I guess the point I’m making is the Bible is full of deceptions and inconsistencies which in my mind says that it is incomplete and has been modified to fit a certain Jewish agenda.

    Not only could I be wrong, I probably am wrong but I can never know where I’m wrong without putting my opionion out there for all to dispute.

    If I have a choice about who my creator is I do not choose the God of the Israelites because that God is anything but Just and Righteous. The Book of Exodus is chock full of evil anti-human acts performed by the God of the Israelites. It’s no wonder people (including me) reject religion.

  101. The Prodigal Son January 1, 2010 @ 3:33 pm

    Hi again Brainy Zek,

    It seems we are visiting two different websites from the same international organization. Both are based in New York, both call themselves ‘Jews Against Zionism’.

    Here is the website I was looking at:

    http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/response.cfm

    From Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

    - - -

    Neturei Karta (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic meaning: “Guardians of the City”) is a Haredi Jewish group formally created in Jerusalem, Palestine in 1938 splitting off from Agudas Yisroel. Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Messiah.[1][2] They are mostly concentrated in Jerusalem, but also in and around Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet (or B) near Jerusalem, and Bnei Brak. Most others associated with Neturei Karta can be found in London, New York City, and other parts of New York, with smaller communities in various cities around North America.

    According to Neturei Karta:

    “The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve’Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U’Tefillah London, Torah U’Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta”.[3]

    Neturei Karta stresses what is said in the mussaf Shemona Esrei of Yom Tov, that because of their sins the Jewish people went into exile from the Land of Israel (”umipnei chatoeinu golinu meiartzeinu”). Additionally, they maintain the view - basing it on the BABYLONIAN TALMUD [8] - that any form of forceful recapture of the Land of Israel is a violation of divine will. They believe that the restoration of the Land of Israel to the Jews should only happen with the coming of the Messiah, not by self-determination.

    Among their arguments against Zionism was a TALMUDIC discussion about portions in the Bible regarding a pact made between God, the Jewish people, and the nations of the world, when the Jews were sent into exile. One provision of the pact was (1) that the Jews would not rebel against the non-Jewish world that gave them sanctuary; a second was (2) that they would not immigrate en masse to the Land of Israel. In return the (3) gentile nations promised not to persecute the Jews too harshly.[8] By rebelling against this pact, they argued, the Jewish People were engaging in rebellion against God.”

    - - -

    This is your website (I think) :

    http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/index.cfm

    Here is a direct quote from THAT page:

    - - -

    “Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day “State of Israel” IS BASED ON THE TALMUD, THE KEY FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINE OF THE ORAL TRADITION handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai.

    The TALMUD in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David).

    Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain (…)”

    - - -

    So called ‘religious’ ‘Jews’ follow the Talmud. Period. That’s what holds them together as ‘Jews’: Their anti-Christ Talmudic doctrines !

    This vast MAJORITY believe that if you reject the Talmud, you are not really a ‘Jew’.

    I believe the OPPOSITE to be true. The only ones who could POSSIBLY be REAL ‘Jews’ (in the sense that the mainstream think of ”Jews) are the Karaites, etc. which I listed above, who - as far as I can tell # less than 150,000 worldwide.

  102. KathJuliane January 1, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

    What color were the Israelites? Ancient Egyptian iconography, while stereotypical, shows a variety of ethnic, cultural and racial characteristics among ancient tribes including skin color and facial features, ranging from very light to black.

    In the Beni Hasan fresco, the stereotype of “Asiatics” or Hebrew people in general from Syria-Canaan show brown skin, black straight hair, although this would certainly vary within tribes.

    http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jtigay/nelc150slides/slide1.html

    “Beni Hasan wall painting, ca. 1890 BCE. This mural, from the wall of a tomb at the site of Beni Hasan in Egypt, shows a band of “Asiatic” nomads from Syria-Canaan visiting Egypt. The painting gives an impression of what semi-nomads like the Hebrew patriarchs in Genesis, during what the Bible describes as the patriarchal period (give or take a few centuries), may have looked like.

    “Note headbands, style of clothing, style of beards, donkey as beast of burden, weapons, tools? (NOTE: The identification of this group as “Asiatics” appears in the hieroglyphic “caption” at the upper right. In Egyptian paintings, “Asiatics” refers to people from Syria-Palestine/Canaan. The men are usually identifiable by their style of beard and, often, headbands [here worn by the women].

    “We cannot identify their specific ethnicity because usually Egyptian artists depicted everybody from that region the same way and Egyptian writers used the term “Asiatic” for everybody from that region.) The caption above the scene describes the occasion as “the arrival, bringing stibium [a mineral used as a cosmetic for painting the eyes], which thirty-seven Asiatics brought to him [the owner of the tomb].”

    “The caption in front of the leader of the “Asiatics” identifies him as “The Ruler of a Foreign Country, (whose name is) Ibsha” [perhaps Abi-Sha, a name related to Biblical Elisha].

    http://www.catchpenny.org/race.html

    What Race Were the Ancient Egyptians?

    Four peoples of the world from the tomb paintings of Seti I on website:

    Syrian (Lite Olive), Nubian, (Black) Libyan, (White) and Egyptian (Brown).

    Faience tiles from the royal palace at Medinet Habu: Foreign prisoners of Ramesses III of various ethnicities:

    Libyan (Med. Olive), Nubian (Black), Syrian (Olive), Shasu Bedouin (White/ poss. reddish beard), and Hittite (Dk Olive).

    “Ancient Egyptians did not make racial distinctions themselves, but rather ethnic distinctions based on nationality. Tomb paintings depicting captive Nubians may show them as being very dark, but this is an artistic convention stereotyping a nationality, and to conclude there were therefore no very dark Egyptians would be a non sequitur.

    “Similarly, the skin tones in art depicting the Egyptians themselves adhere to convention rather than an absolutely accurate description of reality. Tutankhamun is variously shown as being black as in the guardian statues found in his tomb, and brown or beige as in the lotus bust.”

    “Since early neolithic times there existed two distinct but closely related types, a northern in Middle Egypt and a southern in Upper Egypt. The southern Egyptians were distinguished from the northerners by a smaller cranial index, a larger nasal index and greater prognathism. The geographical distinction between the two groups continued during the Pre-Dynastic Period.

    “The Upper Egyptians, however, spread into lower Nubia during that period. By the beginning of the Dynastic era the northern Egyptian type is encountered for the first time in the Thebaïd, i.e., in the southern territory.

    “The incursion, however, seems to have been transitory and the effects of the co-existence of the two types in one locality remained very transient until the 18th Dynasty. From this time onwards the northern type prevailed all over Egypt, as far south as Denderah, till the end of the Roman period.

    “In Lower Nubia a slight infiltration of *negroid* influence is observed during the Middle Kingdom times (prior to 2,000 BC). In the New Empire period, however, the southern Egyptian type prevails again.

    “After the New Empire a fresh and much stronger negro influence becomes discernable till the end of the Roman period.”

  103. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

    I’m still having problems finding any evidence of white Egyptians or Israelites. What I have found is that many of the ancient depictions of the people in that region have had their blunt Negroid noses conveniently knocked off. Probably divine.

    Anyway, here’s a site I found with solid archeological evidence created by the “people” themselves.

    At the bottom of each page there are forward and backward arrows, I don’t know exactly how many pages there are, but they are numerous.

    http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Anatolia_Turkey_2.htm

  104. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 5:44 pm

    Interesting stuff on this site 24/7, and it’s free!!!

    Bill Mahr attempts to debunk the Bible in the video that is playing right now.

    http://www.justin.tv/sammitysam3#r=sYlG1Q8

  105. Timu January 1, 2010 @ 6:15 pm

    Dear Serpentseed, thank you for the honest moment, and I think it’s a good place to start.

    The truths we “discover” are the ones that we keep. As you, many also feel alienated by ‘religion’. And as you, many also feel that they don’t want someone or others views forced upon them.

    Now, I would like to share something with you that I think might interest you. In the first century A.D. there was a Christian, named Marcion. Through his own studies he arrived at the conclusion, That the GOD of the “Old Testament” and “The Father” of Our Lord Jesus Christ had to have been two different entities.

    He based his primary thesis upon the revealed truth that Christ was the express “Image” of the true ‘character’ of God, in all He said and did. He did not however, arrive at his conclusions in any sort of hap hazard manner; but, rather by diligent research. He was a tenacious truth seeker. He more than likely leaned very heavily on the teachings of St.John the Apostle as his prime authority. He also, like yourself, had a natural affinity toward logic.

    He was in a very true sense a remarkable thinker. Due to his meticulous research, the first books of the New Testament canon were established. I would also like to say, how I read you, though I’m sure it may be superficial. You are not proud or puffed in character, and you are a truth seeker.

    I also think, that if any one has never questioned the disparity of the presentation of God, in the Old and New Testaments, well, that person has also probably never had an original thought in their entire life: or has never read the Book.

    In digression one second, though there were no wild dear in that area of the world, the wild mountain ram was plentiful. I think you will be surprised if you would get a “Strong’s Concordance” and look up the word ‘venison’ (which is the one that the “translators” assigned to a Hebrew word, just out of curiosity, and see what the ‘original’ word was. Strong’s will give you the Hebrew word and it’s meaning. (if you don’t have one, google Strong’s concordance on line).

    Now, Marcion had a following, and he debated his position in the churches. As his following grew, he was eventually classed a heretic. But, his basic point that ‘No man has ever known GOD, and only Jesus His Son has revealed Him as he truly is’ is right straight out of St. John!

    Do I believe Marcion was a Christian? Absolutely! Probably head and shoulders above many. You won’t find anything in the Church’s first Creeds that he was at variance with. The gist of the argument rested upon the general consensus The God of the Jews and The Father of Christ were identical, and without going around in a circle any further, Marcion said they could not have been.

    I also read you as intelligent, and so I will throw this challenge up to you. Get on line and research all you can on Marcion and the Marcion Heresy. Read all of both sides of the issue, weigh it up, and evaluate it all, and then get into it again. And I would love to see you get a blog at wordpress and post all your research. And please let us know when your up and link us to it.

    I truly believe, my young friend, that YOU are a scholar at heart, and my suggestion will prove a good start.

    P. S. That Esau must have been one hairy dude, or maybe there’s more to it….All the very best, Serpentslayer, Timu

    P.P.S. As a side issue you may want to look into the conflict between the ‘James Camp’ from Jerusalem and the ‘Paul Camp’, and how the ‘conflict’ between ‘law’ and ‘grace’, was being played out (and still is to this day).

  106. The Prodigal Son January 1, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

    Timu,

    I said, “COULD these be a part of the 144,000 ‘virgin Jews’ ? I DON’T KNOW…”

    All I’m saying is there are (as far as I can tell) less than 150,000 religious ‘Jews’ who do NOT adhere to the rabbinic doctrines in the Talmud… As for the rest, I would rather not speculate too much about that.

    - - -

    Jarrad,

    Your definition of ‘Church’ is too loose I think. The Church is not what we THINK it is… the Church is not what we WANT it to be…

    The Church IS what it always has been. Not some abstract, invisible assembly - but a TANGIBLE, PHYSICAL group of people made up Christ’s Church in the beginning, and the same is true today.

    Immediately, there were some 3000 members of the Church, and Christians have been ADDED to THAT Church ever since. But they were added to the EXISTING Church: that specific group founded by Christ and led by the apostles; you had to join THAT specific group - or you were not really Christian.

    If there were (in the beginnings of the Church) say, 10 men OUTSIDE of that group - who had NOT received the Holy Spirit FROM the true Church… then they are not members of the Church.

    If those 10 men had not received the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands by the apostles or their bishops - from a member of the one Church who already HAD received the Holy Spirit…

    Then these 10 men could study all the Scriptures they wanted; they could perform all the mock baptisms they wanted to… none of this would make those men Christians or members of the one Church; none of this would bestow upon these 10 or their followers the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    To be a member of the one Church - we must join the tangible group that has always been there, and can demonstrate an unbroken chain of touch all the way back to the 12 apostles, through Chrismation.

    I don’t think Christians should support military action EXCEPT in the true sense of self-defence. However, even legitimate self-defence certainly must not produce evils GREATER than those which were being ‘defended’ against !

    Crossing the ocean to attack another nation; failing to differentiate between combatants and civilians - women and children, the elderly - is HARDLY self-defence !

    And please - do NOT say that Arabs attacked us - because THEY DID NOT ! IT WAS ISRAEL, & her agents within the U.S… Does that mean we would be justified in destroying ‘Israel’ now ? NO !

    There is no ’state’ of Israel ! ‘Israel’ is Palestine ! To destroy ‘Israel’ is to destroy Palestine and all of the innocent people within.

    Did you honestly say, “It’s just not possible for a Christian NOT to curse, kill, torture or do any evil” ? Are you kidding ? I don’t do any of those things (o.k. - the odd curse word), I guarantee you Br. Nathanael doesn’t do ANY of those things !

    And YES, you SHOULD go to an Orthodox Christian Church !

    We are NOT here to “ridicule” ‘Jews’ or Muslims (or anyone), and you’re dead wrong because ‘Jews’ & Muslims are nothing alike - except that the Muslims also reject the Deity of Jesus Christ.

    There is NO “supreme race” ! Read your Bible ! We are human beings created after the image of God. Some of us have been in the sun a little longer - nothing more.

    There ARE sons of God and there ARE sons of the devil - but this is SPIRITUAL - NOT racial. The only ‘race’ that I know of that God Himself specifically has a perpetual problem with are the Edomites.

    - - -

    SerpentSeed,

    1) The discussion was about Moses’ hair turning ‘white as wool’ - not “wooly”.

    2) Re: Miriam turning ‘white as snow’… I have already shown that even the skin of ‘white’ people can be turned STILL WHITER… so your “proof” that Moses or Miriam were ‘black’ is still lacking, I think.

  107. charlie January 1, 2010 @ 8:10 pm

    Prodigal son: Where in the Bible does it say that those 3000 on whom God poured out his Holy Spirit at Pentecost had to individually have hands laid upon them by the apostles, nowhere does it say that. Nor does it say it in acts 10-44 “and while Peter was yet speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell on all those who were listening.”

    “In every nation he that feareth Him and worketh justness is acceptable to Him.” - know where those words come from?

    There are over 300 nations in the world today. How many are Orthodox?

  108. Timu January 1, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

    Dear Prodigal Son, Let me clarify again the points of emphasis from the previous post.

    A. They are not Jews, They are Israelites, their tribes are even enumerated.

    B.They are defined as “first fruits”, the biblical usage of this term, designates they have been resurrected.

    C. that the resurrection from the dead, into the Messianic Kingdom was a hope of Israel’s faithful; and a promise from God. Please read Hebrews, 11:35 and Ezekiel, 37:1-14.

    If you click on the link in the former post you will open to the discoarse in it’s entirety; of which the former post was a part. The conclusion of which is: there is a very definite alternate way, that the prophesies may be fulfilled which excludes the usual “Judeo/Christian model.

  109. charlie January 1, 2010 @ 10:34 pm

    Actually it does say that they needed to be baptised first at Pentecost to receive the Holy Spirit.The Holy Spirit only descended upon the 120 as far as we are told in the passage but that the others would receive Him after baptism.

    Not at other places in the Acts however, including the reference above, where the Holy Spirit was poured out on them by God first and then they were baptised.

    Also “In the last days I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh.” Joel and Acts 2-17.

    This is now, and thus relevant to your claim that people now have to have hands laid upon them. That would require too many hands as it equates to around 7 billion people, not counting animals, birds and fish which may also be included.

  110. serpentseed January 1, 2010 @ 11:58 pm

    Albinos in East Africa fear for lives after killings.

    updated 9:55 a.m. MT, Sat., Nov . 28, 2009

    NAIROBI, Kenya - The mistaken belief that albino body parts have magical powers has driven thousands of Africa’s albinos into hiding, fearful of losing their lives and limbs to unscrupulous dealers who can make up to $75,000 selling a complete dismembered set.

    Mary Owido, who lacks pigment that gives color to skin, eyes and hair, says she is only comfortable when at work or at home with her husband and children.

    “Wherever I go people start talking about me, saying that my legs and hands can fetch a fortune in Tanzania,” said Owido, 36, a mother of six. “This kind of talk scares me. I am afraid of going out alone.”

    More:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34182250/

  111. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 1:02 am

    Dear People,

    You are wandering away from Divine Revelation.

    In Genesis, God created MANKIND in His Own Image and Likeness - MALE and FEMALE He created them.

    In the Gospel of St. Matthew, God Incarnate tells His Apostles to go out to ALL OF THE NATIONS OF PEOPLE of our planet earth to teach them God’s Own Personal Divine Revelation and His Commandments to and for ALL OF MANKIND.

    In the Book of Revelation, St. John is given a Vision of Heaven and before the Throne of God are countless thousands upon tens of thousands worshipping and praising and thanking and loving God.

    Is it or is it not a form of ’stupidity’ to assert that the COLOR OF HUMAN SKIN determines who is ‘holy’ and who is not ‘holy’?

    God Incarnate Himself says that we are to LOVE God the Father of us all in ‘Spirit’ and in ‘Truth’.

    God the Holy Spirit Who hovered over the primordial chaos and formlessness of ‘no-thing-ness’ Himself brought ORDER and BEAUTY and GRANDUER to our ’seen’ Creation of time-space-matter-energy.

    And in THAT ’seen’ Creation of time-space, matter-energy GOD formed us all either MALE or FEMALE in order to live our lives IN this time-space-matter-energy “All” of His ’seen’ Creation.

    The Gift of our Lord and Savior Who is God the Holy Spirit is the ‘Spirit of Truth’. And each and every last one of us NEEDS the ‘Spirit of Truth’ in order TO WORSHIP - as in loving, praising, thanking and loving Him - for His Divine Nature off Being which is All-goodness.

    It was God THE FATHER Who decided to give us ALL life in this ‘All’ of His Designing and His Bringing Forth.

    Now if the ‘BLACKS’ who don’t like the ‘WHITES’ who don’t like the ‘REDS’ who don’t like the ‘OLIVES’ who don’t like the ‘YELLOWS’ (and around and around it might go in any Color v. Color match up) being here ON God the Father’s planet earth, they need to bring that ‘Problem’ of theres UP WITH God the Father of us all - and let our Almighty God deal with their ‘racial identification’ problem(s) and ‘racial interrelatedness’ problem(s) as well.

    For it was our Human Race’s Divine SAVIOR Who came to our World in order TO TEACH and TO REVEAL that God is OUR FATHER in Heaven.

    And UNLESS we obtain from our Lord His Divine and Holy Spirit to confirm God the Father’s Divine and Holy Will for our ENTIRE Human Race - that ALL men, women and children ‘come Home’ to God our FATHER in Heaven - then we here on earth are left with but one possible outcome…

    …we are going to be PERPETUALLY at each other’s throats for whatever STUPID reason conjured up in our own minds OR from the minds of God’s enemies - both seen and unseen.

    Now there is NO PROBLEM in the Sight of God for BLACKS to marry BLACKS and to have BLACK children - or for WHITES to marry WHITES and to have WHITE children - or for REDS to marry REDS to have RED childern - or for YELLOWS to marry YELLOWS to have YELLOW children - and in the Sight of God there is no problem for “inter-racial” marriages where there is TRUE love between husband and wife and their children who, despite the MIXED-COLOR or the MIXED-BLOOD of their races STILL join the rest of the Human Race in acknowledging and proclaiming that GOD is THEIR Father in Heaven as well.

    What makes PEOPLE acceptable to God our Father in Heaven in ACCEPTING THEM INTO His Eternal HOME in Heaven is not the color of their SKIN but rather the ‘COLOR’ of their inner dispositions of their MINDS and their HEARTS.

    And those inner dispositions of their MINDS and their HEARTS is the result of their UNSEEN spirit which IS created in our unseen God’s Image and Likeness!

    God Incarnate Himself said that God COULD raise up children for Abraham from ROCKS.

    Are we going to start arguing about WHAT COLOR ROCKS God could or would use in order to do THAT??

    “God would use ROCKS with iron-oxide in them because He likes RED skin!” etc.

    Com’on - lets get REAL about Divine Revelation, okay?

    - Fr. Joseph

  112. the brainy zek January 2, 2010 @ 1:25 am

    re: prodigal son

    Sir, your depth into matters attested to here far exceeds mine!

    I just know that I have never seen the Talmud mentioned on their website! I consider the Talmud, THE BIBLE OF ISRAEL, to be the all time SCUM BOOK OF LITERARY HISTORY!!

    I am grateful for your comments and will be ever mindful in my perusal of the site!!

  113. The Prodigal Son January 2, 2010 @ 1:43 am

    Charlie,

    A short summary of Acts for you:

    At the Feast of Weeks in Jerusalem, it seems to me that the Holy Spirit fell only on the apostles… the crowd was amazed because the Galilean apostles spoke in their foreign languages, at which point - understanding the O.T prophecies (the meaning of which Peter had revealed to them) - they were convinced.

    They (the 3000) then asked Peter what to do… he told them first to repent and be baptized - ONLY THEN they too received the Holy Spirit.

    - - -

    Acts Chapters 1, 2:

    “(Jesus) through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles He had chosen, to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering (…)

    And being assembled together with them, (…) He said, (…) ‘John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

    (…) *But you shall receive power* when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.’

    (…) Then they returned to Jerusalem (…) And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples (…) and said, ‘Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfulled, (…) concerning Judas,

    (…)Let another take his office.’ (…) And they proposed two: Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and (…) they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

    When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. (…) And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit (…). And (…) the multitude came together, (…) saying to one another, ‘Look, are not all these who speak (tongues) Galileans ?’

    (…) Peter, *standing up with the eleven*, raised his voice and said to them,’(…) these are not drunk, (…) This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. (…) He poured out this which you now see and hear.

    Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.’

    Now when (the three thousand) heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said (…), ‘(…) what shall we do?’

    Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, (…) be baptized (…); and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’

    (…) Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; (…) And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine (…). Now all those who believed were together and had all things in common, (…) with one accord (…) And the Lord added to the Church daily those who were being saved.”

    - - -

    The practice has never changed…

    1) We repent.

    2) We are baptized (by immersion).

    3) We are given “the gift of the Holy Spirit” in Chrismation.

    In Acts 8, there is an account of Philip preaching in Samaria. We see that there were many who BELIEVED and who were also BAPTIZED… but that was not enough:

    “Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.

    For as yet He had fallen upon NONE OF THEM. They had ONLY BEEN BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus. THEN THEY LAID HANDS ON THEM, AND THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    And when Simon saw that THROUGH THE LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLES HANDS THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS GIVEN, he offered them money, saying, ‘Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.’”
    - Acts 8:14-19

    In Acts 10, the so-called ‘Gentile Pentecost’; the account of the reception of the Holy Spirit BEFORE baptism was a SIGN (like the original Pentecost) to those of the circumcision that God had accepted the Gentiles (nations of the UN-circumcised), and that baptism into the Church was NOT to be denied to them because of their uncircumcision.

    The Holy Spirit fell on the uncircumcised to prove what Peter had said (which you pointed out) in 10:35. 10:35 also demonstrates that justification is NOT through faith ALONE.

    - - -

    How many Orthodox countries are there ? According to this Wikipedia page on Orthodoxy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Church

    “Based on the numbers of adherents, Eastern Orthodoxy is the second largest Christian communion in the world after the Roman Catholic Church. The most common estimates of the number of Eastern Orthodox Christians worldwide is approximately 300 Million.

    Eastern Orthodoxy is the largest single religious faith in Belarus (85%), Bulgaria (83%), Republic of Macedonia (72%), Cyprus (80%), Georgia (89%), Greece (95%), Moldova (98%), Montenegro (74%), Romania (87%), Serbia (84%), Russia (80%), and Ukraine (80%).

    The number of Eastern Orthodox adherents represents about 36% of the population in Bosnia and Herzegovina. In Albania the adherents number around 25% out of a 40% Christian population, the other being Roman Catholic. As the dominant religion in northern Kazakhstan, it represents 40% of Kazakhstan, and 4% of Lithuania, 9% of Latvia, and 13% of the Estonian population.

    Large Eastern Orthodox Christian communities exist in the Mediterranean countries of Syria (80% of Christian pop), Lebanon (40% of Christian pop) and 10% of the whole Lebanese population, Jordan (80% of Christian pop), Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip (Palestinian Christians) with some families able to trace their ancestry to the earliest Christians of the Holy Land.

    In addition, there are also significant Eastern Orthodox communities in Western Europe (solely the transplanted Macedonian, Romanian, Serbian, Albanian, Greek and Russian communities), Africa, Asia, Australia, North America, and South America through the pattern of immigration from Eastern Europe and the Middle East in the last 400 or some years.”

    But there are - of course - Orthodox Churches in many other nations (like the U.S. & Canda), even if they remain a minority.

  114. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 2:00 am

    So here we ALL our with a ‘Command Decision’ to make - each and every last one of us here on planet earth.

    The ‘Blacks’ either accept and implement God Incarnate’s Divine Teachings into THEIR lives as individuals and as a Race - or they do NOT.

    The ‘Whites’ either accept and implement God Incarnate’s Divine Teachings into THEIR lives as indivividuals and as a Race - or they do NOT.

    The ‘Reds’, the ‘Yellows’, the ‘Olives’, the ‘Albinos’, the ‘Spotted’, the ‘Stripped’, the ‘Checkerboarded’, the ‘Veritcally Lined’, the ‘Horizontally Lined’, etc. either accept and implement God Incarnate’s Divine Teachings into THEIR lives as individuals and as ‘Races’ and ‘Categories’ - or they do NOT.

    Let the Peoples of the Nations of our World take off 24 hours from their busy-busy, shoot ‘em up, blow ‘em up, rip ‘em off, beat the other’s down lives in this contemporary World of 2010 Anno Domini - go SIT DOWN on their buttocks and THINK ABOUT IT!

    Maybe, JUST MAYBE, God our Father in Heaven will RELENT His Mulling over burning up our entire planet earth as the Mother of God as Our Lady of Akita, Japan 1973 has ALREADY informed the whole wide world THAT is what God our Father in Heaven is really and truly CONSIDERING at this very moment at this particular point in the ‘time-line’ of Human History!

    Our ‘POOR’ Father in Heaven - His having to ‘put up with’ and ‘endure’ what the Races of our Human Race just seem they CAN’T do without doing with their lives in this Creation of His Making - ‘There is NOTHING NEW under the Sun’ - Ecclesiastes

    “YHWH saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that the thoughts in his heart fashioned NOTHING BUT WICKEDNESS all day long. YHWH regretted having made man on the earth, and His Heart grieved, ‘I will RID the earth’s face fo man, My Own creation.’ - Genesis 6:5-7

    - Fr. Joseph

  115. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 2:22 am

    Dear Charlie, Dear Prodigal Son,

    Well now, this is the ENTIRE POINT of my going on and and on about about the absolute NECESSITY of the Pope and the Bishops of the Catholic Church to perform the PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God - the Most Holy Theotokos - per her Fatima Apparitions Instructions back in 1917 A.D..

    It is Our Lady of Fatima who said:

    ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!’

    PENTECOST - the Outpouring of God the Holy Spirit upon Humanity - came about AS A RESULT of the Lord’s Apostles OBEYING the Lord in His Instructions to gather together and PRAY for ‘Strength From On High’.

    They DID SO right along WITH the MOTHER of God Incarnate Himself…

    “ALL THESE joined in continuous prayer, TOGETHER WITH several women, INLCUDING MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS, and with His brothers.”
    - Acts 1:14

    Now please, CAREFULLY consider this following passage from ‘The Acts Of The Apostles’:

    “While PETER (Chief Shepherd - The Rock) was still speaking THE HOLY SPIRIT came down on all the listeners. Jewish believers who had accompanied Peter were all astonished that the Gift of THE HOLY SPIRIT should be poured out on THE PAGANS too, since they could hear them speaking strange languages and proclaiming the GREATNESS OF GOD. Peter himself then said, ‘Could anyone refuse the water of Baptism to these people, now they have received THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST AS MUCH as we have?’ He then GAVE ORDERS for them to be Baptized in tne Name of Jesus Christ.” - Acts 10:44-48

    So HERE, we see that GOD grants His Holy Spirit BEFORE the pagans being BAPTIZED in His Name.

    Our entire of World of 2010 Anno Domini has been summarily SUBVERTED from the religion and Faith of our Lord’s Own Apostles by SATAN, by his unseen elemental demonics, and his seen human stooges, dupes and allies in any and all of the internationally allied OCCULT groups such as the Kabbalahists, Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Hermetic Orders, Satanists, Luciferians, etc.

    The Bishop of Rome along with the Bishops of the Lord’s Church here on earth can CALL DOWN God the Holy Spirit upon ALL of the ‘pagans of our World’ by uniting their prayers IN UNION with…THE MOTHER OF GOD!…with their public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of JESUS’ OWN MOTHER, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Most Holy Theotokos, the NEW EVE to and for all of Mankind!

    Once ‘the pagans’ throughout our contemporary satanically RUINED World of 2010 Anno Domini all obtain FREELY the Gift of God the Holy Spirit - then they ALL can go to their local Catholic and Orthodox Church parishes in order to receive the SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM!

    - Fr. Joseph

  116. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 2:55 am

    It’s a pretty ’stupid’ notion to think that our World can have GOD’S OWN PEACE when the Bishops of both the Orthodox and Catholic Church won’t speak to one another nor accept one another.

    And when the Bishops within the Catholic Church won’t even speak to one another NOR wholeheartedly accept the Bishop of Rome, again, it’s a pretty ’stupid’ notion to think that our World can have GOD’S OWN PEACE.

    And when the Bishop of Rome along with all of the Cardinals of the Vatican won’t even speak with NOR have anything to do with the MOTHER OF GOD and her Fatima Apparition’s Instructions, it’s a very, VERY ’stupid’ notion to think our World can have GOD’S OWN PEACE!

    So I’ve just went ‘whining’ and ‘complaining’ to a statue of the Mother of God holding God Incarnate in her Divinely Maternal arms - kissed her hand holding Christ Jesus’ left shoulder - and then threw up my hands while prayerfully letting out these words in personal anguish

    “There is but only SO MUCH I can do, Holy Mother! I CAN’T DO what others are meant to and are SUPPOSED TO DO!”

    - Fr. Joseph

  117. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 3:09 am

    Ya know, it’s sort of FUNNY that Hollywood manages to produce block-buster motion pictures that are viewed by millions upon millions of people the World over that truly capture and depict honest-to-goodness SPIRITUAL realities in our World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    There was Mel Gibson’s movie ‘Braveheart’ which captures the scene of ‘William Wallace’ in the midst of a huge battlefield pitting the Scots vs. the English wherein both parties are locked in fierce, mortal combat - chopping and hacking and slashing away at each other.

    And ‘William Wallace’ then lifts up A FLAG-BANNER and waves it furiously towards the ‘Scottish Noblemen’ sitting atop their horses on a ridge overlooking the bloody battlefield scene below. It is meant as a ‘Battlefield Signal’ that it is TIME for the Noblemen, the Scottish Princes and thier CAVALRY to strike BEHIND the lines of the English Army.

    And these ‘Noblemen’, these ‘Scottish Princes’ atop their horses with their Cavalary forces simply SIT THERE seeing this ‘Battlefield Signal’ - and they slowly turn around and wander away leaving the regular ‘Rank and File PEASANTS’ on the battlefield to their own fate at the hands of the English Army.

    THAT’S just what the ‘Princes of the Church’, the Bishops of the Catholic Church has done to us of the ‘Rank and File’ of the Church Militant here on earth.

    They HAVE THE MEANS whereby they can CRUSH and ROUT the ‘Global Army of EVIL’ the rest of us here in the ‘Masses of Mankind’ have, are and will continue to FIGHT AGAINST - but they just perfer to sit atop their horses very far away on the top of a safe hilltop - and watch all of us getting SLAUGHTERED OFF.

    They are much more concerned over who gets to call who ‘Your Beatitude’ and ‘Your Excellency’ while ensuring to NOT ENGAGE in this Global Spiritual Combat-Struggle even IF God Himself has provided them all with the ‘Ultimate Spiritual Weapon’ who is THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and HER OWN Battlefield Instruction of Fatima, Portugal calling for a global-worldwide public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    And that brings to mind yet ANOTHER ‘block-buster’ movie seen by millions upon millions…

    - Fr. Joseph

  118. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 3:21 am

    Then thre is the movie trilogy ‘The Matrix’.

    The ‘Boring Machines’ HAVE breached into ‘Zion’ and there are legions upon legions of ‘Sentinels’ POURING IN through the breaches in ‘The Dome’ enclosing the regions wherein our Human Race moves, lives and have their being.

    And as but one ordained ‘Priest’ armed with and enclosed within my own ‘APU’ (Armoread Personal Unit), I try to keep on BLASTING AWAY at all of these satanic ‘Sentinels’ pouring through the manifold BREACHES of our human realm’s ‘Dome’ at my private votive Masses for the Universal Church of God here on earth.

    And the ‘Sentinels’ just keep on coming - more of them and more of them with the passage of TIME…

    …and we simply MUST OPEN UP ‘THE GATE’ in order to let in one of our EMF-PULSE GENERATING combat ships in order TO ZAP all of these satanic ‘Sentinels’ pouring into our ‘World’ via their BREACHINGS of ‘The Dome’.

    And that EMF-PULSE GENERATING COMBAT SHIP just so happens to be THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY!

    And the BISHOPS of the Church Militant here on earth REFUSE to send somebody over to ‘The Gate’ - throw open the LOCK - in order to allow God’s Own ‘SENTINEL SLAYER’ to come into our World in order to use GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT Who is with her and Who gives her the FULLNESS of God’s Own Divine Graces, Gifts and Powers on ALL of satan’s ‘Sentinel’ swirling about and slashing out at every last HUMAN BEING currently alive on our planet earth.

    Time to ‘reload the Guns’ and keep on firing away…

    - Fr. Joseph

  119. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 4:36 am

    In the sum-total final analysis, don’t all of our lives and all that we do WITH our lives simply boil down to

    1) Wanting what WE want to have and what WE want to do an what WE want done

    2) Saying what WE want to be heard and what WE want others to hear and what WE want others to know, accept and believe

    And the whole lot of us member of this entire Human Race just go on and on and on with ‘Our Agendas’ to, for and with OURSELVES and to, for and with the REST OF MANKIND.

    And in the midst of this Sum-Running Totality of all the actions, behaviors, ideas, notions of every last human being on planet earth…GOD HIMSELF “Breaks Into” Human History in the Divine Person of Jesus, The Chirst - in order to tell us ALL what it is that GOD wants Done and what God wants for ALL OF US to know, to accept and to believe.

    And here we ALL are - on this planet earth in this World of 2010 Anno Domini - all trying “to peddle” what WE want done and what WE want to hear, accept and believe and what WE want others to hear, to accept and to believe.

    Human life and living here on planet earth has been made much too complicated, much too confounded and much too vexing and troublesome.

    - Fr. Joseph

  120. Pepe January 2, 2010 @ 6:11 am

    Marlis wrote: December 30, 2009 @ 8:53 am

    “Massi, there is such a book. Though it is not by Kevin McDonald.

    It is called Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. The book is about psychopaths but if instead of the word ‘psychopaths’ you substitute the word ‘Jews’ it’s real meaning is clear.”

    I’ve read Political Ponerology and there is no reference to “Jews” being “psychopaths”. It’s not even hinted at.

    The book is a mainly academic analysis on the effects of psychopaths in positions of power. From the point of view of the author that was Stalin et al during Communist rule in Russia.

  121. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 11:27 am

    In the event the Catholic Church CANNOT STOP the forthcoming thermonuclear Third World War, RZN readers might as well know what ‘hit’ them, their families and their loved ones…

    “THE THIRD WORLD WAR must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. et al” - from
    http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

    The largest concentrations of Japanese CATHOLIC Christians were in Hiroshima and Nagaski, Japan in the closing days of World War II.

    The Mother of God AS Our Lady of Akita, JAPAN informed Sr. Agnes of my Carmelite Order:

    “The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. et al” - from
    http://www.theworkofgod.org/aparitns/Akita.htm

    A thermonuclear THIRD World War will most assuredly embroil and ‘boil away’ the current ONE BILLION BAPTIZED CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS in our contemporary World along with a great majority of our Human Race.

    - Fr. Joseph

  122. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 11:31 am

    Now people OUTSIDE of the Catholic Church may be wondering to themselves

    “IF the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 will PREVENT a thermonuclear THIRD World War planned by Satan and his human followers here on earth - AND grant us all World Peace - then ‘WHY?’ don’t the BISHOPS of the Catholic Church simply go ahead and perform that Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA?

    Just took ONE man to betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.

    Takes a ‘couple of more’ to betray ONE BILLION Catholic Christians as well as the rest of the Human Race.

    See?
    http://www.crossspot.net/ldprophet/Freemasons.htm

    - Fr. Joseph

  123. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 11:58 am

    It’s all “Right on Schedule” and going “According to Plan”…

    http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=115061&sectionid=115061&sectionid=351020104

    And ‘from the Lord’ to one of His visionaries - back on June 1, 1993:

    “I (JESUS) tell you straight out, very directly, and without any concern over your response, your fright. There are devils lingering around you day and night. There are evil spirits tempting you continually. You must recognize, My Children, WE ARE AT WAR. We are war with Satan and his cohorts. THIS IS NOT A GAME. This is not a time to respond with lack of belief. This is THE time of war of the Angels of Heaven and the spirits of Hell.

    “No other time in history has been like this one because Satan is about to be chained and the gates of Hell closed. YOU ARE THE ENEMY IF YOU ARE FOR GOD AND AGAINST SATAN. God Himself is your ‘General’ in the War of Wars for your Souls. Satan’s worst enemy is God and then all those who are for God, who love, serve and honor Him. (cf Rev. 12:17 - parens mine) My Faithful Children, YOU are the enemy of Satan. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS!…

    “…Have I (JESUS) not also asked for the union of Bishops to consecrate RUSSIA to My Mother’s Immaculate Heart? Was it done? No, not correctly nor as I requested. Rather a lukewarm attempt, not united, only stated by the Holy Pontiff. He knows he has not done it properly. Oh, the disobedience of My Prelates. Well, I will see to it Myself.

    “Dear Children, you have experienced the Wrath, justified Wrath of your God and if it has frightened you to read this Booklet, you are wise. For the Just Hand of God is about to fall upon My Church as it has begun to fall upon all Mankind.”

    Get yourselves BAPTIZED. Get yourselves to CONFESSION!

    - Fr. Joseph

  124. charlie January 2, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

    Our brother The Pope is doing his best and I doubt anyone can best his workload…and look at his age.

    If he fails to receive the support of those who are aware of the heresy and disobedience to God that infects all of christendom not just the Protestant and Catholic churches then how can he possibly move the Church foreward?

    So few people pray.

    So few offer up sacrifices and prayers for the head of the visible church on earth.

    And yet the whole array of the satanic conspiracy has many supporters.

    The Virgin Mary has encompassed the globe; has made her presence felt to countless people and her prayers and petitions to the Father have been as an ocean.

    This is the Year of the Priest and it is already half done.

    This is the year for renewal, Fr Joseph…..for the Holy Spirit to descend upon us. There is no power on earth that can oppose it. I see the victory on the horizon and I will not relinquish it.

  125. Mariano January 2, 2010 @ 1:01 pm

    To whom it may concern,

    1. God the Almighty has a plan from of old.

    2. Satan is part of God’s plan. He cannot do anything and indeed does nothing without the approbation of God the Almighty, as it clearly seen in Job chapter 1. He is the clerk, not the Boss nor even a co-regent together with God.

    3. There is no such thing like preventing anything God has yet appointed. So, in case He has appointed a “thermonuclear war” (on which there is no certainty) as part of His plan, such thing will come to pass no matter what.

    4. There is no “world peace” appointed for these, the last days of the last days of the age.

    5. God himself would send a strong delusion for those who don’t attach to His plan.

    Conclusion: the message from the “Virgin Mary” at Fatima and the like are totally alien to God’s plan and one among many deceptions that would befall on those who call themselves Christians in the last days.

    May the Lord Jesus Christ give wisdom to His flock.

  126. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

    Well now, ‘IF’ the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Messages of FATIMA are held to be fake, bogus, non-sense by so many people, why not DO SOMETHING like being about PROVING they are fake, bogus and non-sense.

    Go E-MAIL the Bishop of Rome DEMANDING he order the Bishops of the Church TO PROVE her Fatima Messages are FAKE to the entire Orthodox world by performing that public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to her Immaculately Loving Heart.

    Yep - GOD DOES ‘HAVE A PLAN’.

    It BEGAN with Genesis 3:15 and ENDS with Revelation 12:17….that is, if you BELIEVE the Divine Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit Who inspired the Church’s Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scripture to be written in the very first place.

    Some here DON’T!

    - Fr. Joseph

  127. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 3:08 pm

    Dear Charlie,

    If I were the Pope, I’d get St. Peter’s Square filled with, oh…maybe 20,000 Catholics.

    Then I’d go out onto the balcony of the Papal apartment, wave my hands at the crowd, bless them in the Name of the Lord…

    …and then announce to EVERYONE that ‘Next Sunday’ I was going to consecrate Russia along with the Bishops of the Church per the Mother of God’s Instructions.

    I’d then get on the Internet - compose a Prayer of Consecration of Russia - and E-MAIL IT to all the Catholic Bishops of the World (with personal computers and e-mail addresses) along with a ‘BISHOP OF ROME ORDER’ that they ASSIST me next Sunday.

    The Bishops who DON’T obey the Bishop of Rome’s orders - they WON’T assist.

    The Bishops who DO obey the Bishop of Rome’s orders - well…THEY are the ones who will be ‘Duly Noted’ by Heaven as OBEYING the Woman of Genesis 3:15’s Instructions as to HOW to crush Satan’s head.

    What can be ‘More Pressing’ on the Pope’s personal Agenda. He’ll be SAVING the Church and all of Mankind from a satanic inspired thermonuclear plot against BOTH the Church and all of Mankind.

    I think THAT is supposed to be the Numero Uno Job of the Successor to St. Peter to whom GOD INCARNATE entrusted ‘The Keys’.

    “I find that God made man SIMPLE - man’s complex problems are of his own devising.”
    - King Solomon quoted for the Book of Ecclesiastes -

    - Fr. Joseph

  128. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 3:18 pm

    One simply has to admit ‘AMAZEMENT’ with the Orthodox point-of-view regarding the Faitma Instructions for a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother!

    How is it that the Orthodox here on RZN will accept a satanic world-wide slaughtering off of BOTH the Church and much of Mankind via a thermonuclear Third World War by VEHEMENTLY denying the Mother of God’s personal concern for BOTH the Church and all of Mankind (of which SHE is God’s New Eve)…

    …but these same Orthodox go whining and lamenting about what the Bolshevik Jews did to the nation and Church of RUSSIA…

    …they go on and on about the Ukrainian Holocaust done by the Jews and known as the ‘Holomodor’…

    Well, taking the Orthodox view expressed here about Our Lady of Fatima and other pronouncements of ‘God’s Will’…

    …well then, it was GOD’S WILL for so many millions of Orthodox Christians to be BUTCHERED OFF…

    …so all of you Orthodox can ’stop your whining’ about the Bolshevik Revolution as THAT was ‘God’s Will’!

    Yet, it never has yet REGISTERED into the minds of so many Orthodox that it might VERY WELL BE ‘GOD’S DIVINE AND HOLY WILL’ for Russia to be Consecrated to His Own Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart!

    Maybe the Orthodox here KNOW God’s Divine and Holy Will BETTER than God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit COMBINED!

    - Fr. Joseph

  129. willi January 2, 2010 @ 3:50 pm

    Our brother The Pope is doing his best and I doubt anyone can best his workload…and look at his age.

    If he fails to receive the support of those who are aware of the heresy and disobedience to God that infects all of christendom not just the Protestant and Catholic churches then how can he possibly move the Church foreward?

    So few people pray.

    So few offer up sacrifices and prayers for the head of the visible church on earth.

    And yet the whole array of the satanic conspiracy has many supporters.

    The Virgin Mary has encompassed the globe; has made her presence felt to countless people and her prayers and petitions to the Father have been as an ocean.

    This is the Year of the Priest and it is already half done.

    This is the year for renewal, Fr Joseph…..for the Holy Spirit to descend upon us. There is no power on earth that can oppose it. I see the victory on the horizon and I will not relinquish it.

  130. Hoff January 2, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

    The Bolsheviks (JEWS) promised the people bread and land of their own.

    All they really got was a slave state run by Jewish conmen. When they objected, they were taken to Gulags, or marched to a field and shot in the back of the head.

    http://judicial-inc.biz/84communism_ruse.htm

  131. Mariano January 2, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

    To whom it may concern,

    I was raised into a Roman Catholic family with no understanding of God and no true faith whatsoever. Though they didn’t represent the most observant faction inside the Roman Catholic population, they did attach themselves to every Catholic custom and superstition which could prevent them to boldly accept what the Scriptures say regarding true salvation in Jesus Christ. They just wanted to live the fleshly life carried on by their parents and grand parents (also “Christians”) and at the same time have a hope of “going to heaven” after death.

    There is no assurance of salvation in the sole fact of having been raised in no matter what denomination and the truth will not dawn to anyone who just attaches him or herself to the traditions and teachings of men, be them Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, etc., etc., etc.

    The only thing that can save someone is a true faith in Jesus Christ, whom the Father has raised from the dead in order to make everything a new creation.

    People who claims being in conversation with Jesus should be avoided as false prophets when they assign to the Lord a message absolutely contradictory to the Scriptures. And the same thing should be done when the “Virgin Mary” enters the scene, even without checking out the message allegedly passed by her.

    I don’t care who the men think they are in their fleshly minds, because the Holy Spirit that is in me teaches me all things and leads me to all truths, even as the beloved apostle John wrote in his first letter.

    Am I claiming “infallibility”, like impostors and blasphemers do? Not at all! Everyone is free to believe whatever he or she wants. Only that it shouldn’t be forgotten that every one of us will have to give account of his or her deeds and vain words.

    Let us be mindful of that plain fact…

    May the Lord Jesus Christ give wisdom to His flock.

  132. serpentseed January 2, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

    Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version)

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    How about we pray to God to just stop creating evil?

    And how did we come to believe knowledge is evil? Did the Serpent commit a crime? Is releasing humans from the bounds of ignorance really a criminal act? A sin?

    Confused, but still searching.

  133. charlie January 2, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

    Yes God has a plan. And he plans to use his Divinity to overthrow the plans of Satan/Lucifer Inc.

    Satans rebellion was not part of Gods Plan.

    Adam and Eve’s fall was not part of Gods plan …. but He knew it would result in his crucifixion to fix things.

    The loss of immumerable souls in hell is NOT part of God’s plan.

    Abortion is not part of God’s plan.

    Nor is all the sin of the world combined or any part of it a part of God’s Plan.

    Let me tell you what God’s plan is: -

    It is to see us, all of us, in Heaven.

    Thats God’s plan.

    “Temptations must come.” Yes. And God allows it to try us. Lucifer “was a liar from the beginning”…. says the Lord, thats nothing new. ie not just at his rebellion, but before his rebellion..from the moment of his creation he rejected and despised God - thats why temptations must come, but wasn’t part of Gods plan.

    You see God allows free will; Satan (or whatever the infernal spirits are named) doesn’t.
    God’s plans depend on the co operation of the saints. He knows in advance what will come to pass

    Some people are getting their gods mixed up.

    Gods plan is salvation.

    Satans plan is damnation.

    St Michael is part of Gods plan.

    The Virgin Mary is part of Gods plan.

    Its OK if Orthodox don’t believe in the apparitions to Catholics.

    I have no trouble with that. Neither would I try to convince them of it, why the Salvation Army doesn’t even believe in the sacrament of Baptism.

    Other peoples beliefs or non beliefs are of no concern to me. I leave those things up to God. He knows what He is about.

    The owner of this website is Orthodox, a Catholic put him up to it…and a protestant / aetheist / agnostic (whatever) gave him his circulation…..God is still in Heaven.

  134. charlie January 2, 2010 @ 5:22 pm

    Yes, I HAVE seen the victory on the horizon…and its getting closer all the time.

  135. The Prodigal Son January 2, 2010 @ 5:31 pm

    Timu,

    First - let me say you are quite right about the 144,000 being redeemed from all Israel - not ‘Jews’ !

    A slip of the tongue, I assure you ! Sometimes my brain gets ahead of my pen… If you knew me, you’d know that I spend considerable amount of time ‘discussing’ things with American evangelicals on a website I happened upon… and that I argue consistently that very point.

    I think in speaking with them - I sometimes allow myself to slip into using their terminology in order to communicate w/ them. My mistake, and thanks for the correction - but if you look further back to my post from Dec 31 @ 10:11pm… under point #4 to Mr. Korn - you will see that I had already clearly stated, “Israel is not synonymous with ‘Jews’”.

    The mainstream world (run by ‘Jews’) always speaks as if these two words mean the same thing… Don’t worry - I know better ! As for pursuing any further conjecture into the ‘144,000′ - I am sorry I ever mentioned them here !

    On another note though, I would like to say that I’m left a little confused by your subsequent postings…

    In your post addressed to me on Jan 1st @ 2:17am, you are arguing that the 144,000 are sealed from Old Testament Israel… but then a few posts later in your post to ‘Serpentseed’ at 6:15pm of the same day - you reveal that you (seemingly) agree with Marcion (!), saying that the God of the Old Testament IS NOT EVEN THE SAME GOD as found in the New Testament ?!?

    Surely you see the contradiction here, yes ? And how do you explain all of the quotes from the O.T. which are found in the New Testament ?

    Jesus Himself says in the N.T. that He came to fulfill the O.T. Scriptures, so… ?

    — — —

    Fr. Joseph,

    Re: Your post on Jan 2nd @ 2:22am.

    According to you - exactly how does someone receive the Holy Spirit ?

    For anyone reading your words (just in case the Russian consecration is NOT performed), in the meantime - could you tell RZN readers how they may receive the Holy Spirit otherwise ?

  136. Fr. Joseph January 2, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

    The Cathagian general Hannibal, when facing the apparently impassable ALPS on his way to attack Rome, said

    “If we cannot FIND a way, we will MAKE a way!”

    Thirty years ago, when I was serving in the US Air Force, we had a saying “Resorting to Combat Maintenance” when we had to improvise any old way and do just about anything in order to get any ‘Weapons System’ up, running and ‘Mission Capable’.

    Several months ago, during a telephone conversation with Br. Nathanael wherein the two of us argued over DOCTRINE until we were both red-in-the-face, I asked Br. Nathanael just exactly who reads RZN the most.

    Br. Nathanael informed me that RZN readers mostly come from THREE nations: 1) The United States of America, 2) England and 3) Malaysia.

    “MALAYSIA?!” I exclaimed out of surprise.

    There is a recent article on Jeff Rense’s website wherein the former MALAYSIAN Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammed is warning that the US and Israel are going to attack IRAN soon - and THAT is precisely per the Illuminati’s satanic plan to get our entire world embroiled in and boil away by a thermonuclear Third World War.

    Now MALAYSIA is predominately a MOSLEM nation!

    If I can’t get ORTHODOX Christians to help me out, then let me attempt a little ‘COMBAT MAINTENANCE’ here.

    For all of you MOSLEM MALAYSIANS who are tuning into RZN - there has to be a few of you MALAYSIAN MOSLEMS who know or who know somebody who knows former Malaysian Prime Minster Mahathir Mohammed.

    On ‘YouTube.com’, all of you can watch the on-line documentary ‘Heaven’s Key To Peace’.

    AFTER viewing that documentary, could or would any of you MALAYIAN MOSLEMS who know the former Malaysian Prime Minister get him to watch that same documentary?

    The former Malaysian Prime Minister KNOWS his Malaysian diplomats and their Embassies the World over. He also has available ‘at his Government’s finger tips’ the names of ALL the Catholic Bishops currently living in and ministering within the predominately MOSLEM nation of Malaysia.

    Would you ask the former Malaysian Prime Minister TO CONTACT the Catholic Bishops in YOUR country expressing your MOSLEM MALAYSIAN country’s concern over the likelihood of a thermonuclear Third World War - and would he/you ask the Catholic Bishops of Malaysia to contact the BISHOP OF ROME in order to make and take the necessary efforts at performing the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the Mother of Jesus’ Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions.

    For your Malaysian Moslem’s information, the MOORS who were also Moslems once dominated the Iberian Pennisula of Europe.

    The daughter of the prophet Mohammed was named ‘FATIMA’ - and it was at ‘FATIMA’ the Mother of Jesus appeared and had God perform a ‘Miracle of the Sun’ witnessed by 70,000 people.

    The Mother of Jesus PROMISES that God will give us all WORLD PEACE if the Bishop of Rome performs a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her.

    Maybe your Malaysian MOSLEMS can play your active part in bring WORLD PEACE to not only your own Malaysian nation - but to ALL the peoples of our contemporary World!

    “Combat Maintenance”!

    We either get “these engines turnin’ and burnin’” or we are NEVER going to get the ORDINANCE delivered!

    - Fr. Joseph

  137. Hello January 2, 2010 @ 6:59 pm

    @Mariano

    Many people go through religion, for the tradition and customs..this is how we do the wedding ceremony, turn 3 times and say….., this is how we do the baptism….etc. This is not bad, because customs and tradition do bind people together and help to form community which is necessary.

    Though, as you say, salvation is found in Jesus Christ and having a relationship with him and tradition is never a substitute for this, though some people in mainline religions try to make it so. You correctly, acknowledge Jesus as King, the Way, the Truth & the Light..

  138. Justice January 2, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

    Serpentseed said:

    “And how did we come to believe knowledge is evil? Did the Serpent commit a crime? Is releasing humans from the bounds of ignorance really a criminal act? A sin?”

    That’s the argument of the Luciferians, i.e., Freemasons, Theosophists, etc. They believe that Lucifer was really the good guy in the Garden of Eden, trying to bring light to Adam and Eve, with his offer: you shall be as gods …

    That’s how Lucifer/Satan tempts people. But Lucifer tempted them to disobey God, and that is the whole point. There is no secret knowledge that only a few adepts can divine. Jesus said that everything He said and did was done in the light of day. This temptation to try to glean esoteric knowledge is Luciferian.

    Lucifer is Satan. Don’t lose your soul by biting into the apple yourself.

  139. serpentseed January 2, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

    Justice,

    According to Isaiah 45:7 the Freemasons are doing God’s work because the Lord creates evil.

    So, is the Bible a bunch of lies? I know the difference between good and evil because of the Serpent, not God. Can you see my dilemma? I am only interested in the whole truth and the Bible fails horribly unless you leave out whole books. Have you ever cursed your parents? What is God’s plan for those who curse their parents?

    I’m a realist or truist, Talmudic Jews consider the Talmud just peachy because they believe, they have faith. I’m not evil but I put my children before anyone, including the God of the Bible who demands absolute servitude while admitting that he alone creates evil.

    I can’t ignore that he creates evil because if he can create it then he can destroy it without destroying billions of human lives.

    Why do believers never look at this little truth? All we need to win is for our creator to stop creating evil!

    Sorry, I’m just a simple lizard, what do know?

  140. Mariano January 2, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

    Hello,

    When I say “traditions & customs” I mean mainly things added to the Word of God, which is the same as the Will of God, which cause men to delude themselves and acquire a false sense of security that leads them into perdition.

    Remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees who mocked him for being that “radical” regarding the lust for money and the service to God:

    “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.” (Luke 16:15)

    Think about this honestly in your heart, without the pressure of having to answer me: “What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.”

    In my view, this applies to innumerable other things that different denominations built up throughout the ages while claiming they were and are following the Lord. Jeremiah finally learned this the hard way, paying with his own solitude among his relatives and his people…

    Blessings in the name of Jesus Christ

  141. George January 2, 2010 @ 10:06 pm

    Serpentseed,

    Simplicity, little lizard, can be remedied with a little study. You have to read the Bible in context. This chapter was addressed to Cyrus. Perhaps the following will will help:

    Isa 45:7 -
    I form the light, and create darkness - It was the great principle of the Magian religion, which prevailed in Persia in the time of Cyrus, and in which probably he was educated, that there are two supreme, co-eternal, and independent causes always acting in opposition one to the other; one the author of all good, the other of all evil.

    The good being they called Light; the evil being, Darkness. That when Light had the ascendant, then good and happiness prevailed among men; when Darkness had the superiority, then eviI and misery abounded.

    An opinion that contradicts the clearest evidence of our reason, which plainly leads us to the acknowledgment of one only Supreme Being, infinitely good as well as powerful. With reference to this absurd opinion, held by the person to whom this prophecy is addressed, God, by his prophet, in the most significant terms, asserts his omnipotence and absolute supremacy: -

    “I am Jehovah, and none else;
    Forming light, and creating darkness,
    Making peace, and creating evil:
    I Jehovah am the author of all these things.”

    Declaring that those powers whom the Persians held to be the original authors of good and evil to mankind, representing them by light and darkness, as their proper emblems, are no other than creatures of God, the instruments which he employs in his government of the world, ordained or permitted by him in order to execute his wise and just decrees; and that there is no power, either of good or evil, independent of the one supreme God, infinite in power and in goodness.

    There were, however, some among the Persians whose sentiments were more moderate as to this matter; who held the evil principle to be in some measure subordinate to the good; and that the former would at length be wholly subdued by the latter. See Hyde, De Relig. Vet. Pers. cap. xxii.

    That this opinion prevailed among the Persians as early as the time of Cyrus we may, I think, infer not only from this passage of Isaiah, which has a manifest reference to it, but likewise from a passage in Xenophon’s Cyropaedia, where the same doctrine is applied to the human mind.

    Araspes, a noble young Persian, had fallen in love with the fair captive Panthea, committed to his charge by Cyrus. After all his boasting that he was superior to the assaults of that passion, he yielded so far to it as even to threaten violence if she would not comply with his desires.

    Awed by the reproof of Cyrus, fearing his displeasure, and having by cool reflection recovered his reason; in his discourse with him on this subject he says: “O Cyrus, I have certainly two souls; alld this piece of philosophy I have learned from that wicked sophist, Love.

    For if I had but one soul, it would not be at the same time good and evil, it would not at the same time approve of honorable and base actions; and at once desire to do, and refuse to do, the very same things. But it is plain that I am animated by two souls, and when the good soul prevails, I do what is virtuous; and when the evil one prevails, I attempt what is vicious. But now the good soul prevails, having gotten you for her assistant, and has clearly gained the superiority.” Lib. 6 p. 424.

    I make peace, and create evil - Evil is here evidently put for war and its attendant miseries.

    I will procure peace for the Israelites, and destroy Babylon by war. I form light, and create darkness. Now, as darkness is only the privation of light, so the evil of war is the privation of peace.

  142. KathJuliane January 2, 2010 @ 10:11 pm

    Greetings in the Lord Jesus, serpent seed, good brother

    Still wrestling with the Lord God, and the Bible, I see. Good!

    It takes considerable labor to gain spiritual and mental health, and it will take some time and diligence to get clear of the muddle and confusion and gain some clarity. May God bless you in you continuous struggle.

    And, for the most part I do not blame you for rejecting what you perceive being the “Evil God” of the OT, and the “Good Jesus/ Good Father of the NT because it is a confused Judaized mess the West is in with 23,000 different intepretations.

    In part because we always want to make God into our own image and likeness.

    Part of the Western problem is the idea that the “god” of the Jews is the same as the God of the Hebrews in the OT, that Rabbinic Babylonian Talmudic Judaism is the same as biblical Judaism was 2,000 years ago. Western Christianity has become highly Judaized with the Rabbinic dementia of the Jews and their anti-Christian hate traditions from 2,000 years ago.

    Here’s the thing. Christ is the fullness of God’s Revelation. As such, the OT, which as “shadows and types” of partial revelation spans a written spirtual history of more than 2,000 years, and so must be interpreted through the light of Christ of the New Testament.

    By the time of His Incarnation into the world, the ancient world was very dark, evil, demonic and pessimistic, far, far worse than our miserable times now. It was genuinely under the total malevolent control of the Evil One, Satan/Lucifer, who is a very real, cunning, creature, and the fallen rebellious angels.

    A few weeks ago, you told us about suddenly having the burden of many years of grief, anger and bitterness lifted from you about the suffering in your family. That wasn’t just some psychological thing, it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God lightly touching your heart in consolation and blessing letting you know that He is there, even if you can’t quite see Him with “the eyes of the heart”. Remember that, cherish it, and thank Him once in awhile.

    A problem in English translations, like the KJV, is using the same word for more than one thing – take evil, for example. There are actually several different Hebrew words translated as evil.

    There is a distinction between “natural evil”, calamities and disasters, storms, tidal waves, “moral evil” – deliberately choosing the moral wrongs; and “man-made” evils, either by accident, ignorance or design.

    Anyway, below is a sermon on the Orthodox understanding on some of what you are struggling with, which I hope you will spend some time with. It is not yet a total answer, but I feel you may get some spiritual profit from it.

    The Issue of Evil and the Meaning of Suffering and Sorrow in Our Life
    By Fr. Serapheim Starkoff
    Sep 12, 2009, 10:00

    http://www.pravmir.com/article_725.html

    “All of us encounter suffering in our lives. Sometimes we deserve to suffer, sometimes we do not. Curiously enough, our sufferings force us to reflect upon both their nature and origin; suddenly a world of questions and outlooks appear in front of us.

    Suffering is closely connected to the so-called issue of evil in our lives. Where does the evil come from? For this reason, we have to describe the Orthodox perception of the world, based on the Holy Scriptures and Tradition. These two sources exist in unity; they are not religious systems, but a description of the divine economy in the life of the Ecclesiastical community.”

    End clip.

  143. Lynda January 2, 2010 @ 10:18 pm

    “How about we pray to God to just stop creating evil?” Serpentseed Jan 2, 010

    Serpentseed,

    You are not confused; you are not a simple lizard..

    Happy Festivus you searching ‘truist’. You are a Jew based on the Talmud.

    And you are not searching for anything except the occasion to stuff up the Christian comment on this messageboard with irrelevant, off-topic issues, pil pul and blasphemous inuendoes and statements.

    “The God (that should be G_d to you, nudnik) who demands absolute servitude while admitting that he alone creates evil” and yada, yada, yada.

    This lying, J_wSpew take on Is 45:7 KJV is supposedly your own answer to your ’searching’ issues:

    “How did we come to believe knowledge is evil?
    “Did the Serpent commit a crime?
    “Is releasing humans from the bounds of ignorance a criminal act?”

    And what does any of this pil pul have to do with Brother Nathanael’s post on the white guilt industry created by Jews? What does it have to do with the censorship of reports on Black on White crimes (especially hate crimes) in the J_wowned / J_woperated mainstream media?

    Short answer. Nothing. The sole purpose of this pil pul is to frustrate the comment section of those (from your POV) klipot goyim with their evil souls and irrational hatred of the eternal victims, G_d’s Chosen, the holy and self-justified Innocent of any and all wrongdoing. NOT.

    For the love of Christ, man. Help yourself. Your Saviour and King, the “glory of Israel his people” desires to regenerate your soul. Stop futzing around with this schtik and think about your immortal soul drowning in the boiling crap you people generate by the megaton.

    The Christians do not want to see any more of this, Serpentseed, on Brother Nathanael’s messageboard - not at the Orthodox Feast of the Nativity, not at Christmas tide, not at any tide.

  144. KathJuliane January 3, 2010 @ 12:03 am

    From JPost link posted @ RZN 12/31:

    “A JNF spokeswoman told The Jerusalem Post on Wednesday that while the JNF gives out large numbers of trees to all of the country’s municipalities for Tu Bishvat celebrations in January, the Jerusalem Municipality was purchasing a special type of tree - the tops of pines - for NIS 70 each.

    “These are the tops of trees that look very much like Christmas trees,” the spokeswoman said. “They’re small - between 40 and 50 centimeters tall - and grow back on their own every two years.”

    Answer: What do I make of this?

    Not much as a piece of self-serving Jewish and Zionist PR fluff by both the Jewish National Fund and the Municipality where Arab Jerusalemite Christians and Muslims are daily persecuted and harassed by legal, extra-judicial, political and other means in an effort to ethnically cleanse them from the city.

    A 40-50 cm “Christmas tree” is about 16-20 inches tall. Tabletop size, perfect to keep this Christmas cheer out of the sight of the Jews.

    NIS 70 converts to about $21 apiece. This largess is actually meant for the minor Judeo-Zionist festival that commences 29 January 2010 – “The New Year (Birthday) for the Trees” from the Mishnah.

    On Tu Bishvat in 1890, Rabbi Zeev Yavetz, one of the founders of the Mizrachi movement, took his students to plant trees in the agricultural colony of Zichron Yaakov.

    This custom was adopted in 1908 by the Jewish Teachers Union and later by the Jewish National Fund established in 1901 to oversee land reclamation and afforestation of the Land of Palestine. Over a million Israelis now take part in the Jewish National Fund’s tree-planting activities organized every year on Tu Bishvat. In other words, a secularized land-specific Zionist holiday as well as traditionally Jewish.

    Tu Bishvat appears in the Mishnah in Tractate Rosh Hashanah as one of the four new years in the Rabbinic calendar. The discussion of when the new year for trees occurs was a source of debate among the Pharisee rabbis in the forty years or so before the NT era. Both the schools of Hillel and Shammai were Pharisaic and operative during temple Judaism, not Sadducean. Shammai was more “conservative” in some ways than Hillel, fundamentally nationalistic and supported the Zealots.

  145. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 8:38 am

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    So you ask me, in my capacity as an ordained Priest in the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood, ‘How does one receive the Holy Spirit “otherwise”?’

    Before I even begin to answer your question, let EVERYONE come to understand something first and foremost about ‘receiving the Holy Spirit’.

    God the Holy Spirit is INFINITE and we, His creations, His creatures, are FINITE.

    And BECAUSE we are creatures and creations of God, our FINITE natures cannot and will not ever come to “possess” God the Holy Spirit.

    One does NOT go down to his or her local Church parish and “obtain” God the Holy Spirit as if one might “obtain” some sort of manufactured good or item at his or her local supermarket, shopping mall or ‘Big Box Store’ by plunking down one’s cash or presenting to the clerk one’s credit or debit card, and then going to put that item in our home, our garage or in our closet as “our” possession.

    “Receiving the Holy Spirit” is much more like becoming the Holy Spirit’s Own “possession”, and He gets “to do” WITH us and FOR us that which HE wants to do and wants done!

    “Receiving the Holy Spirit” doesn’t give any human being “power OVER God”. “Receiving the Holy Spirit” entails God having “power OVER human beings”.

    Now ‘Why On Earth?’ would ANY human being want to become a ‘possession of’ and an ‘indentured servant of’ God the Holy Spirit?

    It is because God the Holy Spirit is the Divine Spirit of Eternal Life and of Eternal Being.

    God the Holy Spirit KNOWS every last nook and cranny of His Own Creation and God the Holy Spirit Himself POSSESSES the Fullness of Divine Life and God the Holy Spirit is the Creative Might of God our Creator and Father in Heaven.

    And God the Holy Spirit imparts onto individuals the filial LOVE that Christ Jesus Himself has for His Own Father to the degree our finite natures are allowed or to the degree WE allow the Holy Spirit to come to love, honor, serve God the Father.

    The ‘Primary Divine Task’ of God the Holy Spirit is TO CONFIRM to people that God Is.

    And when people have God the Holy Spirit CONFIRM to them that God Is, then the Actual and Sanctifying Divine Graces which are granted TO US by God the Holy Spirit begins to work on, with and IN our minds, our hearts SO THAT we begin to take on - more and more - the Image and Likeness of God the Father’s Only Eternally Begotten Son JESUS.

    Now ‘How?’ does one obtain or solicit this Divine Favor of God our Father in Heaven?

    For us baptized Christians, that Divine Favor and Gift comes to us via the Sacraments of the Church.

    All of us DO receive God the Holy Spirit at Baptism - in Confession - in the Eucharist - in Marriage - in Holy Orders - in the Anointing of the Sick.

    Yet the GIFTS of God the Holy Spirit are specifically sought after in the Church’s Sacrament of Confirmation (as it is called in the Western Church) or Chrismation (as it is called in the Eastern Church).

    The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are 1) Knowledge 2) Understanding 3) Wisdom 4) Courage/Fortitude 5) Piety 6) Reverence and 7) Fear/Awe of God.

    You will not that Gifts 1-7 come to rest upon and permeate a person’s MIND as well as their HEART.

    And it is with our MINDS enlightened with the Truth of God’s seen Reality as He Himself deemed and understands it coupled with the desires, the passions, the longings that ENLIVEN the very core and being our our created ’substance’ in order TO LIVE the Fullness of this Gift of Life that God our Father has endowed us as God desires AS WELL AS for all of other people in our immediate life (as well as throughout the rest of our World) that we begin TO DO those things and to make those CHOICES within this Cause and Effect ‘All’ of our God’s seen Creation in order TO BRING ABOUT God’s Divine and Holy Will into FRUITION, being made manifest to and for ourselves, our families and our human race.

    The Holy Spirit of God ‘Inspires’ - as in ‘Breathes Into Us’ - as well as grants us ‘Enthusiam’ - as in ‘being Breathed upon by God’ - to see to it that His Divine and Holy Will gets DONE here on earth.

    And His Divine and Holy Will DONE and MADE MANIFEST here on earth for and amongst Human Beings IS ‘The Kingdom of God’ here on earth.

    While St. Thomas Aquinas does teach that for us BAPTIZED Christians, the Gift of God the Holy Spirit IS MEANT TO be sought after and graciously received by the SACRAMENTS of Christ’s Church here on earth - St. Thomas does also teach that God, in His Incomprehensible MERCY and GENEROUSITY does grant and impart the Gifts of His Own Holy Spirit to those OUTSIDE of His Own Church as well in order to bring about some manner, degree or type of NECESSARY GOODNESS int our World.

    God the Holy Spirit CAN grant His Gift of KNOWLEDGE to some Christian Church HATING individual in order to bring about some sort of ‘Good’ that God fully intends for His Church TO HAVE as well as TO USE for their own welfare and wellbeing in order TO HELP His Own Church Militant here on earth.

    Yet that same Gift from God the Holy Spirit to and for that Christ and Church hating individual DOES NOT impart the Love of God or Love for His Church or Love for the entire Human Race into the individual.

    In summary, the Ultimate Goal and Aim and Purpose FOR the Gifts of God the Holy Spirit are entirely focused and centered upon this Final Divine Goal:

    To cause a human soul or human souls, males and females, adults and children, TO EXPERIENCE God and to EXPERIENCE-ACKNOWLEDGE Him as “OUR FATHER” in Heaven.

    And WE are His spiritual children.

    And WE of the Human Race are called into the Fullness of Divine Life as members of THE FAMILY OF GOD THE FATHER!

    And THAT is ‘Salvation’! THAT is ‘Redemption’! And THAT is why we long for ‘Eternal Life’.

    Have I answered your religious-spiritual question adequately? Please tell me. If NOT, I’ll try and try and try AGAIN to explain it to you in different terms and in a different way.

    THAT’S what a “Priest’s Job” here on earth is really and truly all about - and NOT having to deal with all of this NEO-PAGAN, NEW-AGE, ESOTERIC, SECRET-SATANIC-SOCIETY, SECULARIZED, MONEY-CHASING, SEXUAL ORGASM WORSHIPPING, POWER GRABBING, LUSTING, LYING, MURDEROUS, HYPOCRICY-FILLED WORLD of ours fighting every ‘Tom-Dick-Harry’ and ‘Moe-Larry-Curly’ and ‘Mannie-Moe-Jack’ and ‘Kukla-Fran-Ollie’ all HELL-BENT on destroying our World, our Church and our Human Race and God’s Own Divine Revelation to and for ALL the members of our Human Race in this year now being 2010 Anno Domini!

    - Fr. Joseph

  146. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 9:35 am

    “My People PERISH for lack on knowledge.”
    - Prophet Hosea - Hosea 4:6

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    While virtually all of the remants of Christendom are fixated on the ‘procession of God the Holy Spirit’, the Nicene Creed DOES state the following

    “We BELIEVE in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of LIFE”

    It was God the Holy Spirit Who hovered over the primordial chaos of ‘no-thing-ness’ and brought about Creation.

    And it was by the Divine Creative Power of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT that ALL OF US were and are granted the Divine ‘Gift of Life’.

    And ALL OF US possess this Divine Gift of LIFE here in this seen ‘All’ of God’s Creating as INCARNATE SPIRITS.

    And ALL OF US experience these God-given created NATURES of ours AS incarnate spirits as EITHER ‘Male’ OR ‘Female’.

    You can get a copy of ‘Gray’s Anatonomy’ in order TO LOOK AT all of the stuff that goes INTO forming our PHYSICAL natures are either MALE or FEMALE.

    ALL OF US have bones, muscles, nerves, skin, hair, eyes, a nose, mouth, ears, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, intestines, heart, blood, veins, arteries, stomach, yada yada yada.

    For us MEN we are endowed with MALE sexual organs.

    For WOMEN, they are endowed with FEMALE sexual organs.

    Men and women were BLESSED by God in their SEXUAL INCARNATE NATURES to be fruitful and to multiply. And MEN and WOMEN do so via the Divine GIFT of sexual-conjugal intimacy with, to and for one another.

    In doing THAT, men and women reflect the Creator’s Image and Likeness by being CO-CREATORS of absolutely NEW HUMAN LIFE here in this seen ‘All’ of God’s the Creator’s Creating.

    Now God the HOLY SPIRIT is ‘Spirit’. Hence, God the Holy Spirit’s Divine Function is to GRANT LIFE TO the spirits of men and women and their children of the nations all across our World.

    God the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Eternal Life and God the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Truth of His Own Created Reality - seen OR Unseen.

    Sacred Scripture Divinely REVEALS that we human beings - male AND female - ARE created in the Image and Likeness of God Himself Who IS Infinite Spirit.

    But being created IN God’s Image and Likenesss DOES NOT CONFER either the Divine Nature OR the INFINITE Beinghood of God Himself.

    We are CREATURES. We are HIS CREATIONS. We are endowed with the Gift of Life and the Divine Gift of BEING in our FINITE created natures as incarnate spirits - in either our masculine or feminine incarante natures.

    So if God the Holy Spirit is the GIVER OF LIFE as well as the Spirit of the Truth of His Own Created Reality - seen or Unseen - and God the Holy Spirit IS Infinite SPIRIT, then it follows that we have a NEED to understand ‘on WHAT’ does God the Holy Spirit Who Is Spirit work WITHIN us all.

    God the Holy Spirit “works on” and “works with” OUR unseen created human SPIRIT that He Himself granted to us when He imparted His Gift of LIFE when He decided to have US included in this seen ‘All’ of His Creating, meaning to say, when WE were conceived in THE WOMB of our own mother.

    In order to understand the statement from Genesis that WE ALL ARE created in God’s Holy and Divine Image and Likeness, we simply MUST HAVE a grasp of a very, very SIMPLE Christian theogical doctrine…

    God Is OMNIscient. God IS OMNIpresent. And God Is OMNIpotent.

    Since NONE OF US are ‘God’ Who Is Infinite and Who Is ‘OMNI’, yet we ARE created in His Image and Likeness, we simply need TO DROP the ‘Omni’ part from the Attributes of the Divine Nature of God Himself - and WE HUMAN BEINGS from the world over can rightfully state of ourselvese - of our created human natures that we are

    1) NOT OMNIscient, but that we have a finite degree of CONsciousness

    3) NOT OMNIpresent, but that we have a finite degree of PRESENCE here in this seen All of His Creating, and

    3) NOT OMNIpotent, but that we do have a finite degree of POTENCY here in this seen All of His Creating - a POTENCY granted to us all in this ‘Cause and Effect’ seen created ALL Of God’s Creating by the actions and effects of employing our DECISIONS within His ‘Cause and Effect’ All via our God-given spiritual faculty of FREE WILL.

    Am I “hogging up” TOO MUCH computer ‘band space’ here on Br. Nathanael’s RZN commentary section here? I hope not.

    - Fr. Joseph

  147. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 9:52 am

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    So now, ALL OF US six billion human beings ALL possess by DIVINE CREATIVE DECREE our own 1) Consciousness 2) Presence and 3) Potency.

    Take ALL OF MANKIND since the time of Adam and Eve, and EVERYTHING that all of Mankind past, Mankind present and Mankind future can possibly DO as in ‘EMPLOYING THEIR LIVES’ or as in ‘LIVING OUT THEIR LIFETIMES’ all simply distills into THREE human endevours and/or undertakings:

    1) HAVING 2) DOING and 3) BEING

    Or one might use the English language infinitive verbs

    1) TO HAVE 2) TO DO and 3) TO BE

    as describing the SUM-TOTALITY of all of Human History and EVERY LAST member of our entire Human Race since the Dawn of Time.

    People with BLACK skin or WHITE skin or ANY OTHER color skin the world over are ALL universally immersed in and engage in the Universal Human Living Life Endevours and Undertakings of HAVING, DOING and BEING.

    And that goes as well for ANY and ALL of the nationalities, the heritages, the cultures of our ENTIRE HUMAN RACE currently residing upon and living on this planet earth of our God and Creator’s Own Creating and Sustaining.

    Now if ANYONE out there in Internet Cyberspace draws for himself, herself or themselves a ‘Tic-Tac-Toe’ grid consisting of 3 squared off areas by 3 squared off areas, one can get a word-picture, a word-schematic if you will of OUR UNSEEN ‘SPIRIT’ upon which God the Holy Spirit works and acts and imparts His Divine Blessings, Graces and Actions.

    Across the top horizontal of this spriitual grid, from left to right, one rights the words:

    Consciousness - Presense - Potency

    Down the left hand vertical of this spiritual, from bottom to top one rights the words:

    To Have - To Do - To Be

    Within that 9 square ‘Tic-Tac-Toe’ grid contains nine of the ten UNSEEN SPIRITUAL FACULTIES that God has endowed OUR created spirits with in His Granting to us LIFE.

    “I find that God made Man SIMPLE - Man’s complex problems are of his own devising.”
    - Ecclesiastes -

    Would you want for me to continue with OUR 10 unseen spiritual faculties which each and every last one of us DOES TRULY HAVE on acccount of the Gift of Life imparted onto us all via God the Holy Spirit, the GIVER OF LIFE???

    - Fr. Joseph

  148. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

    I suppose we can a religious-spiritual consideration of OUR common and universal God-given spiritual faculty of ‘Consciousness’ are ‘Being Aware’ if one prefers.

    Since NONE OF US are God Who Alone is ‘OMNI-Everything’, that means ALL OF US are not Omniscient. NONE OF US ‘Know All Things’.

    And the self-evident ‘Proof’ that none of us know ALL things is our individual and collective need TO ASK QUESTIONS!

    If we knew everything - NONE OF US would ask questions! Duh! Kinda/sorta a ‘Self Evident Truth’, wouldn’t you say?

    And because we ALL must ‘ask questions’ every day of our lives, the paradox of our having a FINITE consciousness is that we all “know” that we DON’T “know” so many things about so many things!

    While it appears that there is virtually an endless number of QUESTIONS we might are required to ask during the course of our lives, the truth of the matter is that there are but SEVEN TYPES of Questions that CAN be asked:

    Who? What? Where? How? Which? When? & Why?

    At some point-in-time of ALL of our lives, after asking SO MANY QUESTIONS about anything and everything under the Sun, we either stumble onto or are forced to ask these seven questions of and about our very SELVES…

    ‘What am I?’
    ‘Where am I?’
    ‘How am I?’
    ‘Which am I?’
    ‘When am I?’
    ‘Who am I?’ and
    ‘WHY am I?’

    Now here is our UNIVERSAL human dilemma which is caused by 1) our NOT being ‘Omniscient’ and 2) our human necessity of ASKING questions.

    One might ask the honest question,

    “Where is the Eiffel Tower?”

    Assuming that one does NOT really and truly KNOW where the Eiffel Tower is on this planet earth of ours.

    And one person may tell you in Moscow, Russia, another in Peking, China, another in Bogota, Columbia, another in Sydney, Austrilia and yet another in Paris, France.

    WHO are you going to believe? WHOSE answer are you going to accept?

    One comes face-to-face with the living-the-human-life REALITY that 1) other people might very well NOT have the correct answer and 2) other people might very well being LYING to you in order to MISLEAD you from the truth of where the Eiffel Tower IS!

    Now imagine and REALIZE the ontological truth and reality of our contemporary Human Race in this God-foresaking World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    How many people in our World FEAR/SHUN asking the question ‘Who am I?’ on account of 1) KNOWING that they don’t really KNOW 2) KNOWING that others really and truly DON’T have the answer to that question and 3) KNOWING so many other people in this world LIE about so many things day in and day out!

    THAT, my dear friendly RZN readers, is the global worldwide ‘Religious-Spiritual Problem’ OF our entire Human Race.

    - Fr. Joseph

  149. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

    For our ENTIRE Human Race, our common and universal religious-psycho-spiritual-emotional-intellectual-sociopolitical-individual-communal PROBLEM can be summed up thusly:

    While it is VERY POSSIBLE for 6 billion human beings to ALL have a personally unique opionated answer to or for any one specific question posed to them, it is NOT POSSIBLE for all of those 6 billion human answers to be SIMULTANEOUSLY real, true and correct!

    But on the other hand, while it is VERY POSSBILE for 6 billion human beings to ALL have a personally unique opinionated answer to or for any one specific question posed to them, it is VERY POSSIBLE that ALL of the 6 billion human answers to that particular specific question are SIMULTANEOUSLY wrong, incorrect and in error!

    So ‘Who?’ alone has both the AUTHORITY as well as the ABILITY to answer these Two Questions:

    ‘WHO IS GOD? and “WHO AM I?”

    And ‘Who?’ alone has both the AUTHORITY as well as the ABILITY to answer this Question asked of any human being alive on planet earth:

    ‘WHY AM I?’

    - Fr. Joseph

  150. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 12:51 pm

    Surely, one simply MUST admit that it is God Alone Who can tell us all ‘WHO GOD IS’.

    And since God is the Creator of all that is seen and Unseen, it is GOD Who determines BOTH the IDENTITIES of His Own creatures AS WELL AS the Divine Purpose FOR His Own creatures.

    And it is GOD Himself Who alone has the Authority to INFORM all of us 6 billion human beings 1) ‘Who WE are’ and 2) ‘Why WE are’.

    So we come ‘full circle’ within the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith our GOD INCARNATE’S Own Apostles.

    God Himself took on our Human Nature to tell 6 billion human beings on earth WHO God Is as well as WHY the 6 billion of us human beings have these lives of ours.

    And it is GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT Himself Who “confirms” these Divine Truths to us PERSONALLY as well as INDIVIDUALLY and COMMUNALLY.

    Our entire World and its 6 billion human inhabitants NEED a ‘Second Pentecost’ of God the Holy Spirit IN ORDER TO ‘convert’ all the peoples of our World to the One, True God WHO IS God our Beloved Divine Father in Heaven.

    That ‘Second Pentecost’ will come about when the SUCCESSORS of the Lord’s Apostles unite their prayers with the MOTHER OF GOD, the Blessed Virgin Mary, with the public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immacultely Loving Heart since she and she ALONE is the ‘New Eve’ of ALL of Mankind. She is the ‘New Mother’ of ALL Mankind.

    Sometimes, I feel as thought I’m simply banging my head against a stone wall saying the same old things over and over and over again here on RZN.

    - Fr. Joseph

  151. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

    “It will be the same as it was in Lot’s day: people were eating and drinking, BUYING and SELLING, planting and building.”
    - Gospel according to St. Luke 17:28

    Prior to any discussion on our universal UNSEEN spiritual faculties contained within the 9 square ‘Tic-Tac-Toe’ grid, a short consideration of our Human Race’s universal and global Human Endevours of HAVING, DOING and BEING.

    We live if God’s “Cause and Effect” seen All. And on account of this Divinely Encompassing seen All with God’s “Cause and Effect” Divinely ordained operating Principle, our human endevours of HAVING and DOING and BEING can be shown to have a Divinely Ordained “hierarchy” amongst those three universal human endevours.

    In order ‘TO HAVE’ anything, one is required ‘TO DO’ something. Don’t DO anything and NO-THING results, NO-THING is HAD.

    Yet in order TO DO anything at all in order TO HAVE anything at all, it is undeniably necessary that one EXISTS!

    Yet EXISTING is not “Being” in the religious, psycho-spiritual, emotional, intellectual, individual or communal sense.

    To have EXISTENCE endows one with the potential ‘To Be’.

    In Luke 17:28, our Lord identifies all of this BUSINESS of doing this to have that so as to have the other thing in order to do something else are all human undertakings that DISMISS the Divine Vocation we are all called to - that of BEING.

    ‘BEING’ with God. ‘BEING’ with one another. And ‘BEING’ a Human BEING ourselves!

    And the ONLY Source of All ‘Being’, the ONLY Perfect Model Who exhibits the Fullness of Being and ‘How TO BE’ is God Himself.

    Our contemporary secularized, neo-pagan, God-rejecting and Christ-hating World is but simply chockful of PEOPLE from all the nations of our our World who ‘EXIST’ all right, who go on and on and on with their OBSESSIVE concerns/goals/agendas of HAVING in order TO DO so as ACQUIRE MORE havings in order TO DO more doings.

    And this contemporary secularzed, neo-pagan, God-rejecting and Christ-hating World of ours actually BELIEVES that simple EXISTING and the preservation of their POSSESSIONS, their bodies, their temporal goods, and their access to future stores of FOOD and CLOTHING and LUXURIES and banal ENTERTAINMENTS constitutes the ‘Sum Totality’ for the purpose of our lives here on this planet earth of 2010 Anno Domini.

    But it was God Incarnate Himself Who said

    “It is the (HOLY) Spirit that gives LIFE. The flesh has nothing to offer.”

    - Fr. Joseph

  152. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

    Forgive me my impatience as it becomes a wee bit of a laborious undertaking in going about EXPLAINING the internal integrity and interrelatedness of OUR unseen spiritual faculties given to us by the Author of Life Who Is GOD Who just so happens to be OUR FATHER in Heaven.

    Now look, each one of us - male or female - really and truly DO have the following spiritual faculties within our own personal human consciousness.

    We ALL have 1) an Imagination 2) an Intellect and 3) Reasoning. These constitute those 3 ‘Boxes’ within the Tic-Tac-Toe grid of our human spiritual attribute of Consciousness.

    We ALL have 1) Feelings-Emotions-Sensations 2) a Free Will and 3) the ability to perpetually engage in CHARITY, in ‘CHARITOS’, in ‘AGAPE’ love to and for God, one another and for ourselves. These constitute those 3 ‘Boxes’ within the Tic-Tac-Toe grid of our human spiritual attribute of Presence.

    And we ALL have these POTENCIES by which and with which we engage in and experience these lifetimes of ours within God’s seen ‘Time-Space-Matter-Energy’ created All wherein we ALL move, live and have our ‘being’ - that is IF we are engaged in living a life of ‘being’ and NOT simply ‘existing’.

    Those are INVOLUNTARY Potencies, VOLUNTARY Potencies and MANDATORY Potencies.

    These constitute the sum-totality of the ACTIVE spiritual faculties within a person. The TENTH human spiritual faculty is what is called our MEMORY.

    All the things we might do or have done in and with our lives are ’stored’ in the spiritual faculty of our MEMORY - and it will God Himself Who JUDGES US ALL on those things we have DONE and in those things we have FAILED to do.

    God will bring up FROM our very own personal MEMORY the sum-total ’spiritual RECORD’ of our own lives - what we DID with this Gift of Life, with these Talents and Abilities He has ENTRUSTED to us (recall the Lord’s Parable of THE TALENTS) - and all of the GOOD we’ve done as well as all of the EVIL we’ve done will be brought forth BEFORE the Divine Gaze of His Own Divine OMNISCIENCE.

    And by THAT we will be and undergo His Divine Judgement upon our own personal mortal, physical deaths.

    Each one of these inner unseen spiritual faculties which ARE direct reflections of His Image and Likeness within our very own created and personal selves do have further ‘refined’ specializations which serve to form a bonded INTEGRITY between our unseen spirits and our seen human bodies.

    But I think that is ENOUGH of all of this for now (grin).

    All of YOU are probably tired of reading all of this as I am tired of having to TYPE all of this (grin).

    - Fr. Joseph

  153. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

    Back at my PC’s keyboard on account of having the inspiration-thought that I might have opened a ‘Pandora’s Box’ in any number of readers here on RZN on account of my mentioning OUR spiritual faculty of the MEMORY and that it will be on the CONTENTS of our own memory that we will be Judged by God.

    As a ordained Priest in the Church’s Monastic Brotherhood, I am simply ‘Duty & Obligation Bound’ to write something here about the Church’s SACRAMENT OF CONFESSION.

    Our One, True GOD, Creator and FATHER is a God, Creator and Father of MERCY…so much so that it brings TEARS to my own two eyes recounting the times and experiences of HIS MERCY in my own life and in the life of others I know and have known.

    Now GOD, our Father in Heaven, Himself told Mother Eugenia His Own Thoughts regarding our own FAILURES in living the types and sorts of lives here on this planet earth of His Creating with these Gifts of Life with which He has conceived us all:

    “Of course, I can understand MY children’s weaknesses! Because of this, I asked My Son (JESUS) to give them the means TO GET UP AGAIN after they have (spiritually-morally - parens mine) fallen. These means will help to purify themselves from their SINS, so that they might still be the children of My Love. They are, chiefly, THE SEVEN SACRAMENTS. And the greatest means of securing your Salvation, despite your falls, is the Cross, My Son’s Blood poured out upon you every moment, if you so wish, both in THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE and in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” - from
    http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/Father/Message1.htm

    To VERIFY this particular Message from God our Father in Heaven to ALL OF US here on earth, our Lord JESUS Christ tells us all about the LOVE, the MERCY and the WILLINGNESS TO FORGIVE of His Own Divine Father:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2015:11-32&version=NIV

    Since my own ordination into the Church’s Priesthood, into the Monastic Brotherhood, I’ve only here ONE Confession - that of my own Bishop, a scant couple of hours after being ordained BY him.

    We are all ‘created TO REMEMBER’ precisely because of our created FINITE nature. We NEED to ‘remember’ things because we are NOT Omniscient. And the things we remember are held in and to be found in our God-given spiritual faculty of MEMORY.

    The MEMORY of any and all of the EVILS we might have done, all of the WRONGS we may have committed and all of the unloving and un-Godly behaviors we might have engaged in during the course of our lives CAN and DO cause us spiritual sorrow, anguish and grief on account of our innate knowledge of our own DEATHS - and what God Himself will DO to us and what God Himself will THINK about us when we are brought before Him on His Divine Throne for His Final Judgement on us, our lives and what we DID with this Gift of Life He has granted us.

    But God Himself has His Own Divine Ability TO FORGIVE - and when God in His Divine Perfection FORGIVES us of our sins - a most wonderfully Divine thing occurs WITHIN God Himself…

    …God actually FORGETS that we SINNED against Him!

    And let me try to CONVINCE you that God FORGETS when He forgives us our sins.

    As an ordained Priest, Christ Jesus Himself “sits in” in MY place. I just become a ‘Warm Body’ while He, Christ JESUS, uses my ears to hear the confession another’s sins.

    And when ‘in His Name’ I grant HIS Absolution of a person’s sins - the last and only time was hearing the Confession of my own Bishop - HE FORGETS what was confessed because I have absolutely NO RECOLLECTION - try as I might attempt to recall - the confessed sins of my own Bishop!

    I can EASILY RECALL conversations I had with my now deceased natural father. I can EASILY RECALL my doctrinal arguments with Br. Nathanael. I can EASILY RECALL Fr. Jerry’s sermons and homilies from the Masses he offered up. I can EASILY RECALL all sorts of heated exchangings of words with others with whom I’ve had nasty arguments during the course of my life…

    …but I CANNOT recall one single solitary thing my own Bishop confessed to me - try as I might - whatever it was that my Bishop confessed to me is long, long, long FORGOTTEN and simply NO LONGER EXISTS!

    So go to your neighborhood Diocesean Parish Priest and ASK HIM to hear YOUR own personal CONFESSION.

    That Priest, be he a Diocesean or Religious Order Priest will simply be a ‘Warm Body’ through whom CHIRST JESUS will grant you His Divine FORGIVENESS for all of the evils, wrongs and damages you’d done to other AS WELL AS to yourself.

    And my our Lord and Savior JESUS Christ Bless all of you RZN readers from the World over.

    I bless ALL of you + in the Name of the Father + and of the Son + and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

    - Fr. Joseph

  154. Fr. Joseph January 3, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

    Now ONE LAST THING…regarding God the Holy Spirit…

    Seems to me that virtually EVERYBODY I come in contact with these days has a CELLPHONE or one of those things called ‘Blackberries’ or ‘iPods’. My gosh, there seems to be a thousand kinds of WIRELESS communication devices that millions upon millions of people readily carry.

    And ALL of these wireless devices RELY ON unseen MICROWAVE EMF energies to operate.

    Well EVERYBODY on planet earth has ALREADY the ‘Built-In By God Himself Spiritual CIRCUITRY’ to dial up, call and have lenghty PRIVATE-INTIMATE Conversations with GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT…

    …that SAME Holy Spirit Who hovered over the primordial chaotic no-thing-ness BEFORE He began Creating and bringing for all sorts of LIFE - to include God’s Top-Of-The-Line Creation - INCARNATE SPIRITS, meaning to us we HUMAN BEINGS, Males and Females and all of our offspring-children.

    You all simply need a little bit of an ‘Instruction Manual’ in order to ‘Make Contact Of An Infinite Kind’ Who is God the Holy Spirit.

    Here’s a magnificent ‘Instruction Manual’ all of you can get, read and being to implement into your OWN personal spiritual lives:

    “True Devotion To The Holy Spirit”
    http://www.amazon.com/True-Devotion-Holy-Spirit-Martinez/dp/1928832059

    At your service,

    - Fr. Joseph

  155. Timu January 3, 2010 @ 10:17 pm

    Hello Prodigal Son;

    Firstly, I wish that you would read the link at the first post, for two reasons, A. To understand what I meant in my comment. B. To get a perspective of the Biblical prophetic fulfillments, coming to pass, and scripturally, in a way other than the popular Judeo/Christian spin (i.e. the rogue state of Israel as a fulfillment of Old Testament Messianic Kingdom prophecies.) I think you may very well find some ideas that will challenge your friends at your other site as well.

    In my comment to Serpentseed, (which I hope you will refer again to) you will “not” see that I agree with Marcion. I chose to bring up Marcion to him, for 2 reasons.

    A. Because he (Marcion) is a historical case in point, of the exact same issue that Serpentseed displayed, namely the disparity between the two representations of God in the Old and New Testaments.

    B. If you read my comment thoughtfully, you will see the encouraging, rather than condemning tone. And you will also see that I have challenged him, to research both sides of the Marcion Heresy issue. And that was my intention, that he begin his career in Biblical scholarship at this very point. I said in my post, that I felt Marcion to be a Christian, and one of great intelligence, and I still do.

    For you will see, that in any creed, or statement of faith, by any church or any denomination on this entire planet; that, you will never ever, find one which says (or states) that one must believe that the Hebrew God and The Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ are one and the same!

    NEVER! I am not saying that I agree with Marcion. I am saying that to be a Christian, one must believe, that The Father of Jesus Christ is God, which Marcion did. In closing, I would add that I feel strongly that many at this message board should GET A BLOG AT WORDPRESS!

    For a number of reasons. This message board is not the place to debate some of the things that are debated. Br. Nathanael has touched on this just recently. That they are good points is not the issue; it is simply that they are off topic.

    It would be obvious to any one that, if you and I, for example were to continue our discussion, we might go further into looking at topics that were of interest between us. And as we did so we would more than likely stray farther and farther from the topic of Br. Nathanael’s post. For example, lets say, we continued discussing Serpentseed’s point of view.

    Eventually the question as to why the Hebrew God would command Israel to destroy the Caananites. (We are already a few light years distance from our original topic.) And I were to answer because, all of the Caananites can be shown to have been corrupted by the infusion of the hybrid Nephilim gene, as such were not human, and were in fact a prime obstruction to the fulfillment of the prophecy given in Genesis, 3:15.

    And to be such was their purpose and plan. Do you think that it just might perhaps open the door for many more “Off topic” comments? I certainly do. I would enjoy discussing any Biblical and, or Christian topics, with any one. BUT HERE IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO SO. To rectify the problem, I registered a post at wordpress (It’s FREE, and takes a whole 90 seconds of your time) And I would enjoy any one who wants to discuss another topic, to go to the site and leave a comment, and a contact, whether their own blog or an e-mail address and we can discuss away.

    I would very much enjoy reading some of the research done by Kath Juliane, Lynda, yourself, and others. Why don’t you all get a blog and link to your articles?

    My blog is right here, http://timutele.wordpress.com/ and I would welcome any discussions around Biblical and Christian topics.

    Finally, the topic of the Jews, can be overbearing. There are many, many, other things of interest, to me and to others also, This site will be here. Any and all, can come here, and read and comment. But they should stay ON TOPIC. Long running debates and rants between people bring the whole site down.

    I was on a page shortly before Br. Nathanael requested his guidleines for commenting.

    I can’t say exactly what page it was now, but I can remember thinking, “they should rename this site ‘one flew over the zionist cookoo’s nest’” http://timutele.wordpress.com/

  156. The Prodigal Son January 4, 2010 @ 1:48 am

    Hey Serpentseed,

    Keep studying; don’t lose faith !

    Number one thing I would suggest to you: read the New Testament FIRST ! This way - when you read the Old Testament, it will be AS SEEN by the LIGHT of the New Testament.

    Jesus gave His apostles full understanding of the O.T. Scriptures, and much of that knowledge is revealed to us in the New Testament of Jesus the Christ.

    If something is at first hard to understand… ALWAYS assume it’s YOU who has misunderstood something - instead of assuming that the Word of God is a lie.

    When someday you have clearer understanding… you will be glad you didn’t give up ! There’s nothing wrong with asking questions; don’t let anyone make you think otherwise.

    You should consider getting an Orthodox Study Bible, which contains the Septuagint Old Testament (which my Hollywood friend has - I think - aptly dubbed ‘The Director’s Cut’), rather than the Masoretic (Pharisaic) O.T. contained in Bibles like the King James version.

    Look @ this verse you quoted in the KJV:

    “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”

    Now here is the same verse from my Orthodox Bible w/ the Septuagint:

    “I am He who prepared the light and made darkness,
    who makes peace and creates troublesome things.
    I am the Lord God who does all these things.”

    Not a huge difference, I know - but my point is: you’re reading the altered, censored, ‘Jewish’ version of the O.T. if you read the King James version! The differences are greater elsewhere !

    This necessarily throws the meaning of things a little sideways… even changing HOW we might view the New Testament !

    Which is why now there are ‘King James ONLY’ groups saying that ANY OTHER Bible is a false Bible, and that everyone should ONLY READ THEIR VERSION !

    Anyhow, my Bible has a footnote on a verse just after the one you brought up… that I thought might speak to you.

    Here’s the line from Isaiah 45:9 (LXX):

    “Shall the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making (…)?’”

    And the footnote:

    “The Lesson is clear: Like clay which is molded by the potter, we do not demand an accounting from our Creator.”

    So in 45:7, the message is basically: God creates EVERYTHING & EVERYBODY. If one of His creations exercises their God-given free will and becomes troublesome (or evil, if you will), it does not change the fact that God created them and eventually they WILL account to God.

    — — —

    Linda,

    Jump to conclusions much ? Serpentseed could be just a kid for all you know !

    You wouldn’t wish to bear false-witness here, would you ? You have no way to know such things… WHO is the accuser ?

    Besides, even IF Serpentseed WAS a ‘Jew’… let them find nothing but patience and good-will here ! If ‘Jews’ are our enemies - we are called to LOVE even THEM aren’t we ?!

  157. The Prodigal Son January 4, 2010 @ 4:31 am

    Fr. Joseph,

    Thank you for your (somewhat lengthy) reply. I appreciate the effort.

    Many claim to be Christians… but almost every ‘denomination’ (abomination) has a DIFFERENT answer when it come to the question which I posed to you. So who should people believe ? ALL of them cannot be right !

    And since Christ said that the Holy Spirit would lead His Church into all truth… then ONLY ONE Church can be correct !

    *And anyone who says this is OFF TOPIC - needs to understand that none of this is an accident… this didn’t just happen ! This has been ENGINEERED as part of the destruction of Christianity. Anyone who has read the Protocols of Zion (which - contrary to what Wikipedia say - ARE NOT A FORGERY) can attest to the fact that the destruction of the Church is a top priority with Talmudic ‘Jewry’.*

    Now to me - MOST ‘churches’ are disqualified because they are TOO YOUNG ! If a ‘church’ was founded in say… 1906 - HOW could that POSSIBLY be the same Church which Jesus Christ founded in 33 AD ?

    Since Christ said that the gates of hades WOULD NOT prevail against His Church - then it has always been there. Period.

    Regardless - many (mostly Americans and Canadians) simply cannot see this obvious truth, so they attend whichever ‘church’ conforms to the idol ‘god’ they have created in their minds via ’sola scriptura’ (where everyone interprets the Bible for themselves - usually through a false hermeneutic), and they live a deceived (if well-meaning) existence.

    For instance - some ‘Christians’ think that all a person has to do in order to become a member of His Church, & to receive the Holy Spirit - is believe…

    Nothing more - just ‘believe in Jesus’ (in VARYING ways), and that’s it: You will be indwelled w/ the Holy Spirit simply through your belief.

    But what if that someone doesn’t believe in the Tri-unity of God ? What if they are ‘oneness’ ? Or Mormon ? Or Jehovah’s Witnesses ? Surely they believe in a DIFFERENT Jesus than I ?!

    So to those who say all one need do is BELIEVE in order to receive the Holy Spirit… All they have to do is read this:

    “(…) Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, ‘Did you receive the Holy spirit when you believed ?’

    So they said to him, ‘We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.’

    And he said to them, ‘Into what then were you baptized ?’

    So they said, ‘Into John’s baptism.’

    Then Paul said, ‘John Indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.’

    When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. *And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them*, (…)”
    Acts 19:1-5

    The Orthodox Church (which has always been there), in accordance with the Bible also says you must do more than that… namely you must first believe (Acts 8:37), then be baptized before you can receive the Holy Spirit.

    Verses like this show that belief - though certainly required… by itself is not enough to receive the Holy Spirit.

    Now many other ‘Christians’ will tell you that the Holy Spirit is received AT Baptism… as soon as you’ve been baptized - boom! You are now indwelled with the Holy Spirit - NO Chrismation neccessary !

    And it seems as if you, Fr. Joseph - feel the same ?

    “All of us *DO receive God the Holy Spirit at Baptism* - in Confession - in the Eucharist - in Marriage - in Holy Orders - in the Anointing of the Sick.

    Yet the GIFTS of God the Holy Spirit are specifically sought after in the Church’s Sacrament of Confirmation (as it is called in the Western Church) or Chrismation (as it is called in the Eastern Church).”

    I think maybe you’re a little mixed up? One doesn’t receive the Holy Spirit AT baptism…

    “Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, whwn they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.

    For as yet He had fallen on none of them. *They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.*

    And when Simon saw that THROUGH THE LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLES HANDS THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS GIVEN, he offered them money, saying, ‘Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.’”
    - Acts 8:14-19

    So I’m here to tell all of the RZN readers who wish to be a TRUE Christian in the fullest possible capacity and RECEIVE the Holy Spirit of God…

    1) You must believe (in the REAL Jesus Christ). You must repent, confess your sins, and RENOUNCE Satan.

    2) You must be baptized into His Church (the Orthodox Church). This is a rite of passage from the world into the Church… it symbolizes death, burial and resurrection. When Christ was baptized by John, He transformed the water, and now through baptism we are given remission of sins.

    3) You must be Chrismated (by a bishop or through Holy Myron) through direct *touch*. Chrismation (anointing) takes place IMMEDIATELY after baptism and in this sacrament, the newly baptized receive the Holy Spirit through annointing with oil by the bishop or priest.

    This is what it REALLY means to be ‘born again’…

    “Unless one is born of water AND the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
    John 3:5

  158. African4 January 4, 2010 @ 8:30 am

    I read earlier that some people claimed that the Israelites were black. It does not really matter, but the scriptures do on a couple of occasions give hints as to the colour of the Israelites.

    The Bible is all about the Israelites and specifically abut ONE Israelitic family, who’s genealogy is given by the Bible.

    The Bible tells us that Adam was created 7,000 years ago. Adam’s name in Hewbrew means to be ruddy. To be able to blush red. Here see for yourself what the name Adam means in Hebrew.
    http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H120&t=KJV
    Some people like yourself would claim that Adam means red soil, but the Hebrew for red earth is actually Adamah. Adam was named BEFORE anything else, so it is pretty obvious that the red soil got it’s name from Adam and not the other way around.

    It is undeniable.

    We know that Noah is a direct descendent of Adam. Esau Noah’s ONE son is described as red. King David is described as Ruddy and fair.

    The Israelites were white. Here are a couple of examples taken from King James’s bible 1953.

    Job 16:16
    my face is reddened because of weeping,
    and on my eyelids there is a deep darkness,
    (Only white people’s faces can blush, go red)

    Lamentations 4:7
    Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

    Ezra9:6
    And said, O my God, I am ashamed and blush to lift up my face to thee, my God: for our iniquities are increased over our head, and our trespass is grown up unto the heavens.
    (Only whites can blush so that you can actually see it)

    Isaiah29:22
    Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
    (Wax pale is white, Abraham was white)

    1Sam16:12
    And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he
    (Ruddy means a healthy reddish colour. Only whites can have a reddish glow, think cheeks)

    1Sam17:42
    And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.
    (David had a ruddy, fair complexion. That is describing a white boy.)

    Psalms 51:7
    Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

    Song of Solomon5:10
    My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

    As you can see the Bible is filled with examples that proof that the Israelites were not black.

  159. African4 January 4, 2010 @ 8:45 am

    You’ve probably never heard of the book of Jasher.
    http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/

    The book of Jasher isn’t included in the Bible, because it basically tells a condensed story as the rest of the Bible.
    The Bible HOWEVER does refer the book of Jasher in Joshua and second Samuel. This does give a high degree of credibility to the book of Jasher.
    http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.h…

    Here are the two places where the Bible refers to the book of Jasher:
    ……….
    Is not this written in the Book of Jasher?”–Joshua, x. 13.
    “Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher.”–II Samuel, i. 18
    ……….

    Can you see that the book of Jasher is used as a reference??????????

    This is what the book of Jasher say about Moses.
    ……….

    Jasher 72:24
    “And the king and princes and all the fighting men loved Moses, for he was great and worthy, his stature was like a noble lion, his face was like the sun, and his strength was like that of a lion, and he was counsellor to the king.”

    His face was like the sun.

    A nice golden colour, the colour whites go when they are in the sun.

    If read the book of Jasher it explains that Moses fled from Egypt after he killed an Egyptian. He fled to Cush. He eventually became KING, because he was educated and the black Cusjites revered him as a god. They even gave him the previous black kings wife when he died, although Moses never consummated the marriage, as he knew it to be sin.

    Read the book of Jasher, as it explains it very clearly.

  160. African4 January 4, 2010 @ 8:53 am

    I noticed that earlier that some person claimed that Jesus was black. The examples that he referred to was the following.

    Rev 1: 14-15
    His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

    And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
    …………..

    Notice that his head and his hair were as white as wool and snow. Only the white PROPERTY of wool and snow is mentioned, so I cannot say, for instance, that his hair was wet as snow or woolly as wool. The only property of the snow and wool that is mentioned is it’s whiteness.

    Then it says that his feet were the colour of brass. this is pretty obvious as they wore sandals in those days and the sun would have tanned his feet slightly. In true Arab style they kept their heads covered.

    Here is the colour of brass.
    http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.allproducts.com/metal/powerway/brass_wires-l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allproducts.com/metal/powerway/brass_wires.html&usg=__OHsAwnmh2quSb8_MIvEE5WE88EY=&h=360&w=360&sz=23&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=dTmWHJgun3LleM:&tbnh=121&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrass%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG
    http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.brass-fastener-india.com/brass_custom_machining/brass_custom_machining-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.brass-fastener-india.com/brass_custom_machining/brass_custom_machining.htm&usg=__8BO-_Ae8pevRwaQjTIkQOwkf2A8=&h=323&w=428&sz=51&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=H5tAb05ZI6wzAM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrass%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG
    http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nuovadistribution.com/images/Venus_Brass_lg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nuovadistribution.com/victoria_arduino.htm&usg=__K0ShvxBSORkp8ZVL_Ugxr7KdBhY=&h=425&w=355&sz=57&hl=en&start=11&tbnid=Bvr9fAlymElrvM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrass%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG

    As you can clearly see brass is a very apt description of a white person skin colour that lives in a desert.

    it is the colour of ALL whites that have exposure to the sun.

    Jesus was white.

    The secret is to view everything in context.

    Jesus is also described as white by the letter Pontius Pilates wrote to his superior in Rome.

  161. African4 January 4, 2010 @ 9:03 am

    The Bible also makes a distinction between the colour of Israelites and the colour of Ethiopians.(blacks)

    Jeremiah 13:23
    Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

    Thus we know that the Israelites were definitely not black.

  162. Fr. Joseph January 4, 2010 @ 9:26 am

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    ALL DIVINE GRACES from God are of, from, with, eminated FROM God the Holy Spirit.

    What God the Father DOES God the Holy Spirit DOES. What God the Son DOES God the Holy Spirit DOES. What God the Holy Spirit DOES, both God the Father and God the Son DO. What God the Father and God the Holy Spirit DO, God the Son DOES. What God the Father and God the Son DO, God the Holy Spirit DOES. And what God the Son and God the Holy Spirit DO, God the Father does.

    Now at BAPTISM, the Blessed Trinity FORGIVES the sins of the one being Baptized and imparts Divine Grace into the person.

    In the Holy Eucharist, the Blessed Trinity IMPARTS Divine Graces into a person, both Actual and Sanctifying Graces, to feed, strenght, console and enliven the person to live a life of holiness and sanctity. In the Holy Eucharist, the Blessed Trinity FEEDS the human spirit in order TO KEEP IT ALIVE and healthy.

    It is a CONFIRMATION, it is at CHRISMATION, that the distinct Gifts of God the Holy Spirit - 7 in number - are imparted, granted and infused into the person. Those Gifts are Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom, Courage/Fortitue, Piety, Reverence and Fear/Awe of God.

    Since ‘Sola Scriptura’ and ‘Sola Fide’, the Protestant Revolt resulting in both the utter FRAGMENTATION OF of the Church as well as the abandonment/rejection of Christ’s SACRAMENTS.

    The only reason why we can have so many ‘bible-belieiving’ Protestant denominations all AT ODDS with each other but ALL united against the Catholic Church is on account of their ABANDONING the Grace giving SACRAMENTS of the Church.

    The only reason why we can have ‘bible preachers’ and ‘bible teleevanglists’ galore ALL supporting the political Zionist State of Israel IS ON ACCCOUNT OF their rejection of the Sacrament of Confirmation or the Sacrament of Chrismation if you prefer.

    What ‘KNOWLEDGE’ is there, what ‘UNDERSTANDING’ is there, what ‘WISDOM’ is there in ALL of these ‘bible-based pastors, preachers, teachers and teleevangelists’ SUPPORTING the Christ-rejecting, Christ-hating JEWISH STATE of Israel as they go on and on with their MURDERS and causing all of this MORAL MAYHEM throughout our World?

    To be sure, they ALL have some kind of ’spirit’ alright - but is it God the HOLY Spirit?

    It more likely is their ‘Masonic Lodge’ spirits, their ‘Kabbalah’ spirits, their ‘Occult’ spirits if you ask me.

    So we go back, ’round and ’round, FULL CIRCLE with what I’ve been trying to get across to people here on RZN.

    It is God the Holy Spirit WHO Divinely Enlightens the minds and hearts of people.

    The Human Race is in need of a RE-ORDERING of this massive global neo-primodial CHAOS of spiritual DARKNESS and IGNORANCE.

    The Human Race NEEDS a ‘Second Pentecost’.

    The FIRST Pentecost had THE LORD telling His Apostles to gather together IN UNION in prayer - and the MOTHER OF GOD was there with them all.

    The SECOND Pentecost can be had on account of THE LORD telling His Bishops to gather IN UNION in prayer - and to publicly and solemnly Consecration RUSSIA to her Immmacuately Loving Heart per her Fatima Portugal instructions.

    My Catholic Church CANNOT go around to every last ‘bible-based’ sect, cult, denomination in the entire World and DEMAND our own Canon of Sacred CHRISTIAN Scirpture to NOT BE USED in the ways and in the fashion it has been MISUSED all of these past centuries since the Protestant revolt!

    - Fr. Joseph

  163. African4 January 4, 2010 @ 9:36 am

    Some people claim that the 10 lost tribes of Israel simply vanished and today have been assimilated into various other nations.

    This however does not make any sense for a Bible believer, because the book of Revelations is very clear that Israel will still be around at the end of days.

    The country called Israel is lived in by Jews, some of which are from the tribe of Judah. They however are not from the tribe of Israel.

    Israel is identified in the Bible in many places.

    1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

    2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

    3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

    4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

    5. Israel’s home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

    6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

    7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

    8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.

    9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.

    10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.

    11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.

    12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.

    13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

    14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.

    15. Israel’s home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

    16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.

    17. Israel to be God’s instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.

    18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.

    19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.

    20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

    21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.

    22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.

    23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

    24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

    25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.

    26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.

    27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, “when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea”. That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

    28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.

    29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

    30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.

    31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.

    32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

    33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.

    34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.

    35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

    36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.

    37. Israel to be God’s Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.

    38. Israel to possess God’s Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

    39. Israel to be God’s Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.

    40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
    ……….

    To insinuate that Israel was black, is to live in a fantasy world, because the black race does not fit the identifying marks of Israel.

  164. Fr. Joseph January 4, 2010 @ 9:42 am

    And one, single, solitary ‘PASSING THOUGHT’ I’d like to share with all of you from the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES here on RZN…

    I just want for ALL OF YOU to remember this FACT…

    These KHAZARS came from “YOUR” neck-of-the-woods of Christendom - and NOT from “OUR” Roman-Latin side of Christendom.

    Yet “OUR” Roman-Latin side of THE CHURCH was given THE ANSWER/THE SOLUTION/THE REMEDY on what and how TO DEAL WITH these satanic hordes running amok all across our World nowadays.

    And YOU of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH don’t want to hear or accept on implement or assist the Roman-Latin Church in IMPLEMENTING that Divine Solution!

    If you all DON’T want to help or assist or cooperate with the Roman-Latin Church - then ALL OF YOU deal with these Kaballahist KHAZARS all by ourselves and IN your own way.

    So what do the PATRIARCHS of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHS suggest be DONE. What is THEIR Solution to our contemporary World’s satanic problems?

    If you and THEY have a ‘Divine Solution’, then why in the heck aren’t you of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES doing something about it!

    These KABBALAH KHAZARS came from YOUR side of the World - and NOT the Bishop of Rome’s!

    - Fr. Joseph

  165. African4 January 4, 2010 @ 11:57 am

    The Khazar’s have nothing to do with the Christendom and everything to do with Judaism.

  166. Fr. Joseph January 4, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

    Dear African4,

    St. Paul the Apostle, with full APOSTOLIC Authority given to him BY the One Who Created all that is seen and Unseen, in a summarily DOCTRINAL and DOGMATIC fashion which equals and perhaps SURPASSES all of the ‘Ecumencial Councils of the Church’ COMBINED in his speaking under the Direct Inspiration of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT Himself…

    …TOLD ALL OF ‘CHRISTENDOM’ THE FOLLOWING:

    “For is is NOT against human enemies that we have struggle, but against the Sovereignties and Powers who orginiate the DARKNESS in this World, the spiritual army of EVIL in the heavens.” - Ephesians 6:12

    SATAN and his elemental demonic spirits working on, working with and working THROUGH those who have summarily SIDED with Satan and AGAINST Christ Jesus, the King of kings and the Lord of lords, His Divine Kingdom and His ‘Christendom’ here on earth, have ‘Made A Deal’ with these peoples who have solicited their demonic ’spiritual help, guidance and assistance’.

    The incantations of those who utilize the Zohar of the Kabbalah who likewise use the TALMUD in order to negate and render null-and-void the TORAH do not - I repeat - do NOT - have or solicit the Divine Thoughts, Actions, Visions, Counsels and Assistance of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    Do we NOW understand each other? Do we NOW understand St. Paul the Apostle? Do we NOW understand the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit?

    Do we all NOW understand Genesis 3:15 as well as REVELATION 12:12 and REVELATION 12:17?

    Are we now ALL beginning to understand a wee bit more of the Vital Divine Necessity for the Church to perform a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17 for the sake of our World and for our ENTIRE Human Race - and for the SAKE OF Christ Jesus’ Own Church Militant here on earth?

    - Fr. Joseph

  167. Michael Korn January 4, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

    Dear Brother Nathanael,

    I want to relate an interesting Bible teaching that pertains to your name.

    In the Gospel of John, Jesus interacts with someone named Nathanael in the following way:

    John 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

    44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.

    45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

    46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

    47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

    48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

    49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

    50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

    51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

    Note verse 47: “Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!”

    I think Jesus is being somewhat humorous here. Consider this idea: Jacob in Hebrew has a connotation of a deceiver or swindler. Jacob received the new name Israel in his famous encounter with the Angel of the LORD in Genesis 32. Jesus seems to be saying to Nathanael:

    You have left behind the aspect of Jacob-the deceiver and attained the level of Israel “in whom there is no guile”. Note also that Israel in Hebrew, Yisrael, has a connotation of “Yashar El” or Straight to God, exactly as Jesus is telling Nathaniel in this passage: “You are an Israelite who is straight to God and not crooked.”

    Note also that Jesus tells him this perhaps as a compliment that Nathanael overcame his skepticism about “any good thing” coming out of Nazareth and was willing to follow Philip to meet Jesus. In other words by agreeing to take a chance to go to Jesus, Nathanael overcame his own internal doubts and became Israel, one who is straight with (and to) God!

    Anyway, I thought this might encourage you in your work.

    Also this brings me to a final discussion I would like to have on this page, which concerns criticism of Jews. LORD knows I have done this often. When I was a college student flirting with Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority organization, I criticized my Jewish friends for their loose morality. When I lived in Israel as an Orthodox Jew, I criticized secular Israelis and my secular relatives in the US. And since becoming a Christian I have written articles and letters attacking Jews for their opposition to Christ, their politics, and their financial behavior. I am not well liked in the Jewish communities, to say the least.

    I mention this to bolster my credentials to make the following observations. Joe Cortina’s diatribe against Jews deeply disturbed me and forced me to think about why. The following words are reflections about his strong antipathy to Jews.

    The problem as I see it is that no matter what Jews believe in or do, they are criticized by some element of society. Look at it in this way. In Israel, Jews are divided basically into two camps: Orthodox and secular. And while there are many divisions within Orthodox Judaism, such as Chassidic and Lithuanian and Sephardic, the essential schism is between religious and secular. Now generally Christians will attack religious Jews for opposing the message of Jesus.

    However, somehow the Naturay Karta organization, who are Chassidic zealots in every respect, garner the support of certain Christian groups simply because they oppose Zionism. NK has no liking for Christianity, let me assure you. In fact I would suspect that on Jewish theological grounds they probably have much more respect for Islam than for Christianity. Yet somehow they have seduced many Christians into supporting them or at least admiring them.

    Now let’s move to secular Israelis. Evangelical groups support them even though most of them have no interest in religion at all. That’s peculiar. Then groups like yours oppose them even though they have none of the usual Orthodox Jewish prejudice against Christianity. They are not familiar with the Talmud’s imprecations against Gentiles, and even if they are they certainly do not embrace them. And as I mentioned in an earlier posting, secular Israelis are very close to Christianity in ways that no secular Jews anywhere else in the world could be.

    This is because they have regular contact with Christian tourists who travel to Israel, including both Eastern Orthodox and Western Christians, and they also see the many Christian buildings that dot the landscape of the Holy Land. One cannot live in Israel and not be aware to some extent of the Christian heritage of the Land.

    In addition, secular Israelis study the Bible in public school as Hebrew literature. And even though they are trained to be skeptical about claims of miracles and the supernatural, they still have a deep familiarity with the Scriptures that no secular Jew anywhere else in the world can even come close to.

    Furthermore, the Orthodox Jews in Israel frequently castigate secular Israelis as being traitors to Judaism and of having Christian sympathies. Barry Chamish, the well known Israeli journalist who wrote about the conspiracy behind the Rabin assassination, is a good example. He often writes that Israel’s Zionist leadership has Sabbatean and Frankist leanings. (Henry Makow also takes a similar line about the Jewish financial elites.)

    Now, from an Orthodox Jewish perspective, Sabbateans and Frankists are people with distinctly anti-Judaic ideas and in fact are considered crypto-Christians! Yet somehow groups like yours see fit only to attack these very Jewish groups who are perceived by Orthodox Jews as having strong pro-Christian sympathies! Does that make sense to you?

    A similar thing could be said about the international Jewish financier class, whom Hitler so detested. I am certain that many of the Jews who run Wall Street financial firms do not practice Judaism and in fact have strong Christian identities or leanings. Yet again, they are attacked simply because they are rich and powerful. Why would this be?

    Consider too the Michael Jones book on Jewish Revolutionaries whose link I posted in an earlier comment. Jones criticizes Jews for fomenting social unrest. Yet Jesus himself certainly had a revolutionary message of concern and compassion for the poor and downtrodden. Are these not the very people that revolutionaries exploit to rise up against greedy and complacent aristocratic rulers and leaders?

    Jones also makes the very strange claim that the Jewish priests who sought Jesus’ death no doubt would have become revolutionaries against Rome in the period prior to Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD. Yet the New Testament castigates the priests for collaborating with Rome to preserve their power and privilege at the expense of the masses of common people and of Gentiles. So here is a good example of how one group of Jews is attacked for collaborating with Rome and for potentially rebelling against Rome. Does that make sense?

    Consider also the question of the Khazarian presence within Jewry today. I am skeptical that the Khazarian genetic presence is particularly high. But even if it were, this simply means that Caucasians came to dominate the identity of the formerly Semitic Hebrew nation. But has not this happened to Christianity as well?

    Was Jesus not an Israelite of brown Middle Eastern appearance? Were not almost all of his followers too? Yet today Christianity is dominated by white European churches, both Protestant and Catholic, as well as Greek and Russian Orthodox. So it seems to me if you level the racial attack on Jewry for being no longer Semitic, the very same thing can be said about Christianity, which started off as an Eastern Semitic movement but came to be dominated by White European factions.

    All this reminds me of the famous song from the musical “My Fair Lady”, where Henry Higgins sings “Why Can’t a Woman be More Like a Man?” The song laments all the supposed deficiencies about women compared to men. And it ends with the words: “Why Can’t a Woman be More Like Me?!” I think that this often is the attitude of Christians who attack Jews.

    No matter what Jews espouse or believe, no matter how acculturated to Christian values they become, they are demonized. Jews will never be able to turn themselves into Irish or Polish Catholics. They always will retain a certain distinct ethnic and cultural identity. And if non-Jewish Christians wish this part of them to be eradicated by conversion to Christ, I suspect that they are simply parroting Henry Higgins’ arrogant and foolish lament: “Why can’t the Jews be more like me?”!

    Finally, consider if it might be possible to portray contemporary Judaism as adhering to the essential teachings of Christ in practice if not in conscious recognition. Jesus removed the entire Levitical Temple system and forced Judaism to replace it with a system of worshipping God based on Torah study, prayer, good works, charity, and acts of kindness. Is this so different from Christianity?

    Is it not possible to see in the Jewish kiddish ceremony a kind of communion rite? Jewish festive and sabbath meals are all sanctified over a cup of wine and a loaf of bread, almost exactly as performed by Jesus at the Final Supper. On Passover Jews have no lamb to eat. They instead eat an extra piece of matza bread in place of the lamb. Again, this is almost perfectly parallel to what Jesus instituted on the night of the Final Supper. Apart from the Orthodox study of Talmud and pining for a return to a sacrificial Temple rite, Judaism mimicks Christianity almost exactly as a system of Torah, Tefilla, and Tzedakah.

    Of course it is vital to help Jews recognize the sacrifice provided by Jesus on the Cross and His triumphant resurrection. But perhaps it would be easier to accomplish this were Christians more appreciative of how close modern (post-Temple) Judaism is to Christianity in practice (if not in belief).

  168. charlie January 4, 2010 @ 12:43 pm

    Prodigal Son.

    “And it shall come to pass in the last days saith god
    that I shall pour out my spirit on all flesh
    and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
    and your young men shall see visions
    and your old men shall dream dreams
    yea upon my servants also
    and upon my handmaids in those days
    shall i pour forth my spirit
    and they shall prophesy

    and I shall show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs upon the earth beneath
    blood and fire nd vapour and smoke

    the sun shall be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the day of the lord come
    great and manifest….

    Prodigal Son, you ask Fr. Joseph a lot of questions you are obviously not interested in hearing the answers to, picking and choosing points of Scripture and others posts to make your “point” - I’m not sure what it is, and disregarding others:

    - Let me ask you one…..have you been “baptized in the Holy Spirit”?

  169. Michael Korn January 4, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

    JEWS WHO HATED JESUS AND LESSONS FOR OUR TIMES

    The following chapter from William Barclay’s book, The Mind of Jesus, analyzes the major Jewish factions that opposed Jesus and sought His death. It is very fascinating and insightful. It challenges us all to examine our hearts to identify those things within us that oppose, hate, and seek to kill Jesus, for in doing so we only are tragically opposing God, hating ourselves, and foolishly seeking our own destruction. Let us pray to allow God’s Son to administer His healing balm to help us recover from the curse of being self-haters to the blessing of being lovers of Jesus and extollers of God.

    It also is very sad to realize that modern Jewry today embraces none of the values of the main Jewish factions that opposed Jesus in His own day. Modern Jews have rejected Pharisaism (i.e., ultra-Orthodox rabbinism) and priestly ritual sacrifice. Some Jews today do embrace values of the Sadducean elites who opposed the social justice message of Jesus.

    Some Jews today occupy positions of power and privilege (e.g., professors of higher academia, captains of industry and finance, political and legal power brokers, physicians who find perpetuating the treatment of disease incredibly lucrative) akin to the High Priests who hated Jesus since He threatened their comforts and their amenities. But the vast majority of Jews today, both in Israel and throughout the rest of the world, stand opposed to Jesus simply due to their appalling ignorance of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments.

    They stand naked and shorn of their spiritual heritage that even the Apostle Paul admitted was the great privilege of ethnic Jews: possession of the oracles of God. Today most Jewish people around the world are like pagans, devoid of even the most rudimentary foundational Biblical knowledge, resting on a vague sense of pride in their historic chosenness.

    These people are truly akin to the lost sheep without a shepherd whom Jesus pitied so deeply. May the following sobering words of William Barclay move us to witness to these lost souls of the Jewish People with greater urgency and deeper compassion than ever, for the hour truly is short and the fields are bursting for the harvest. AMEN!

    [From The Mind of Jesus, by William Barclay, New York: Harper and Row, 1961, chapter 15, pp. 150-166]

    THE MEN AGAINST JESUS

    When we read the Gospels, it is very difficult for us to understand the implacable hostility and the envenomed hatred which could not rest until they had driven Jesus to the Cross. We find it almost impossible to understand why anyone who lived a life of such love and service and kindness and sympathy should have incurred such savage opposition.

    The opposition was quick to arise. As early as the second chapter of Mark’s Gospel we find the suspicion and the criticism of the scribes and Pharisees in action. We find the opposition to Jesus centred in three groups of people — the scribes and the Pharisees, who together form one group, the Sadducees, and the priests. Let us take these groups one by one, and let us try to see why they hated Jesus so much that they strained every nerve and were prepared to use any means to eliminate him.

    (i) The opposition to Jesus is consistently connected with the scribes and Pharisees (Matt. 12.2,14; Mark 2.16; 3.6; Like 6.2,7; 14.3). The scribes and Pharisees cannot be understood apart from the Jewish conception of the law. In Judaism the word law is used in three senses.

    First, it is used of the Ten Commandments, which are the law par excellence. Second, it is used of the Pentateuch, the Five Rolls, the first five books of the Bible, which are the law as contrasted with the prophets and the writings which constitute the rest of the Old Testament. Third, it is used of what is known as the scribal or the oral law. Clearly the third was the last to come into being, but in the eyes of the scribes and Pharisees it was the most important and the most binding of all.

    To the Jew there was nothing in this world so sacred as the law. ‘The law,’ they said, ‘is holy and has been given by God.’ They believed that the law had been created two thousand years before the world had been created, and that it would last for ever after the world had come to an end. They said that Adam had been created on the day before the Sabbath in order that he might begin life with an act of the observance of the Sabbath law.

    They even went the length of saying that God himself studies the law. ‘There are twelve hours in a day,’ the saying ran, ‘and during the first three the Holy One sits down and occupies himself with the law.’ It was believed that every single syllable and letter of the law was holy and divine. It was believed that the law contained the whole will of God, fully and finally stated, that nothing could be added to it, or subtracted from it, and that there was no appeal against its ordinances and verdicts.

    Here we come upon the whole principle upon which the scribes and Pharisees thought and lived. If the law is the complete will of God, it must contain everything that is necessary for the good life. But, when we go to the law, what we find is a series of great principles. For the scribes and Pharisees this was not enough.

    They desired to find a series of rules and regulations which would govern every action and every situation which could possibly arise in life. If the law is absolutely final and complete, then it must follow that anything necessary for the good life which is not explicit in it must be implicit.

    So, then, throughout the centuries the scribes made it their business and their life work to deduce from the great moral principles of the law an unending series of rules and regulations to meet every possible individual action and situation in life. In the hands of the scribes the comparatively few supreme moral principles were turned into an infinity of petty rules and regulations.

    This mass of rules and regulations is what is known as the scribal or oral law, or the tradition of the elders (Mark 7.3; Matt. 15.2). And the day was to come when this mass of scribal regulations was regarded as even more sacred and binding than the actual word of Scripture itself, so that it could be said: ‘It is more culpable to teach contrary to the precepts of the scribes than contrary to the law itself.’

    For many centuries this mass of material was never committed to writing. It was lodged in the memories of the scribes, who were the experts in the law, and passed down by word of mouth from generation to generation of rabbis. Midway through the third Christian century a summary of all this scribal law was written down. The name of that summary is the Mishnah, which consists of 63 tractates on various sections of the oral law, and which in English makes a book of almost 800 pages.

    Not content with this, scribal scholarship embarked on the task of making commentaries on the tractates of the Mishnah. These commentaries are embodied in the Talmuds. There are two Talmuds; the Jerusalem Talmud runs to 12 printed volumes, and the Babylonian Talmud to 60 printed volumes. To put it in a summary way, the law of the Ten Commandments under scribal development had finished up as a library — for ever unfinished — of rules and regulations.

    It is necessary to see this scribal method in action, because it was Jesus’ head-on collision with this whole conception of religion which was the immediate cause of his crucifixion. We can see this process at work in the development of the Sabbath law.

    In the Old Testament itself the Sabbath law is very simple: ‘Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it’ (Ex 20.8-11).

    Here there is laid down a great religious principle, conserving the rights of God and of man. But this was not enough for the scribes; this had to be worked out in hundreds and hundreds of rules and regulations about what could, and what could not, be done on the Sabbath day.

    In the Mishnah the regulations about the Sabbath run to 24 chapters, on one of which a certain famous rabbi spent two and a half years in detailed study. In the Jerusalem Talmud the section on the Sabbath runs to sixty-four and a half columns, and in the Babylonian Talmud it occupies a hundred and fifty-six double folio pages.

    How, then, did the scribes proceed? The commandment says that there must be no work on the Sabbath. The scribe immediately asks: ‘What is work?’ Work is then defined under thirty-nine different heads which are called ‘fathers of work’.

    [Note from MPK: the source verse for this concept is: Leviticus 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. The scribes believed that the juxtaposition of these two ideas within the one verse implies that whatever labor is necessary to construct the sanctuary would be forbidden on the sabbath day. They then analyzed all the different aspects of the sanctuary and concluded that 39 different categories of labor went into its construction. These then are implicitly banned in the Bible text as forbidden labor on the Sabbath day.]

    One of the things which are forbidden is the carrying of a burden. Immediately the scribe asks: ‘What is a burden?’ So in the Mishnah there is definition after definition of what constitutes a burden — milk enough for a gulp, honey enough to put on a sore, oil enough to anoint the smallest member (which is further defined as the little toe of a child one day old), water enough to rub off an eye-plaster, leather enough to make an amulet, ink enough to write two letters of the alphabet, coarse sand enough to cover a plasterer’s trowel, reed enough to make a pen, a pebble big enough to throw at a bird, anything which weighs as much as two dried figs. On and on go the regulations.

    It was the scribes who worked out all these rules and regulations; it was the Pharisees who devoted their whole lives to the keeping of them. The word Pharisee means either ‘interpreter’, in the sense of skilled expert in the Law, or perhaps more likely ’separated one’, in the sense of a man who has separated himself from all ordinary people and from all ordinary activities to concentrate on the keeping of these innumerable legal regulations. This to the scribes and Pharisees was goodness; this, they believed, was what God desired. To keep these rules and regulations was to serve God.

    Let us take another example. Certain ritual cleansings and washings were laid down. Before a man might eat, he must wash his hands in a certain way.

    [Note from MPK: this washing was ordained for the eating of bread and certain wet foods. It was modeled on the ceremonial washings that the Bible text ordained for the priests before they ate from the ceremonial offerings in the Temple or from the food offerings they received in their homes as contributions from Israelites.]

    He must take at least a quarter of a log of water, that is, a measure equal to one and a half eggshells of water. He must hold the hands with the finger-tips upwards and pour the water over them until it ran down to the wrists; he must then cleanse the palm of each hand with the fist of the other; he must then hold the hands with the finger-tips pointing downwards and pour water on them from the wrists downwards so that it ran off at the finger-tips.

    This was not a matter of hygiene; it was a matter or ritual; even if the hands were spotless, it must be done. To do it was to please God, to fail to do it was to sin.

    It can easily be seen that the identification of true religion with this kind of thing has certain inevitable consequences. Religion became legalism; it became the meticulous keeping of a mass of rules and regulations. Religion became externalism; so long as a man went through the right actions and the right ritual he was a good man, no matter what his heart and thoughts were like, and no matter how hard and unsympathetic he might be towards his fellowman.

    Religion could very easily become a matter of pride. A man might spent his whole life keeping these rules and regulations, which were obviously impossible for ordinary people, and might then thank God that he was not as other men are (Luke 18.9-14).

    [Note from MPK: the Talmud reports that many of its most esteemed rabbis were common laborers, such as blacksmiths, shoemakers, tanners, and carpenters, engaged in ordinary tasks for their livelihood.]

    There were never more than six thousand Pharisees; and it was inevitable that many of them were proud and arrogant and contemptuous of the common man. In fairness to the Pharisees it must be remembered that they were completely earnest.

    To undertake this mass of rules and regulations must have been a tremendous task, yet in that law there was their delight; they loved the discipline of it; in it all they saw the service of God. Even if they were misguided in their whole method and outlook they were none the less fanatical in their desire to serve God. The scribes and Pharisees clashed with Jesus on three main grounds.

    (a) It is quite clear that under this system religion became the affair of the expert. Only the scribes knew the immense ramifications of the oral law; only the Pharisees could keep them. Obviously all this put true religion out of reach of the ordinary working man. He could not engage in the ordinary working activities of the world and keep the law. To keep the law was in itself a whole-time occupation. Religion in its higher reaches became the presence of the expert and of the professional.

    Here was the first objection of the scribes and Pharisees to Jesus. He had never been to a rabbinic college; he was not a trained scribe and a professional rabbi; he was a mere layman, a carpenter from Nazareth.

    What possible right had he to set up as a teacher and to presume to talk to men about God and about life? ‘How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?’ (John 7.15). ‘What is this? A new teaching!’ (Mark 1.27). ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Do we not know his mother and his brother and his sisters? Where did this fellow get these things he is talking about?’ (Matt. 13.54-58; Mark 6.1-5; Luke 4.22-24).

    These experts in religion were horrified, scandalized, insulted that this untrained Galilaean should invade their territory and should dare to teach. This was accentuated by the respect and adulation which these scribes and Pharisees claimed and received. The very name Rabbi means ‘My Great One’. ‘Let your esteem for your friend,’ they said, ‘border on your esteem for your teacher, and let your respect for your teacher border on your reverence for God.’

    They laid it down that the claims of a teacher went beyond the claims of a father — for instance, if it came to a choice between ransoming a father and a teacher from captivity, the teacher must be ransomed first — for a man’s father only brought him into this life, while his teacher brought him into the life of the world to come.

    Into this world of religious privilege, religious precedence, religious prestige there strode this young Galilaean with his revolutionary teaching — and the scribes and Pharisees were shocked and offended. What right had any common man to talk about God? The religious professionals have never granted to the common man the right to speak about God, and the religious professionals of Palestine were determined to silence Jesus of Nazareth.

    (b) There was worse to come. From the point of view of the scribes and Pharisees evidence began to pile up that Jesus was himself a consistent and deliberate breaker of the law, that he consented to others breaking it, and that he even incited them to do so.

    In the story of the Gospels there is a dramatic development in the idea of Jesus as a deliberate breaker of the Sabbath law. When he first healed a man on the Sabbath in the synagogue at Capernaum, there was astonishment and amazement (Mark 1.21-27). Such as thing could not be done in a corner and hidden away (Mark 1.28), and soon there developed a Pharisaic system of espionage in which the emissaries of the Pharisees deliberately followed Jesus to watch him and to accumulate more and more evidence that he was an inveterate and deliberate and blasphemous Sabbath-breaker.

    The matter began with the incident of the disciples plucking and eating the ears of corn as they passed through the cornfield on the Sabbath day (Matt. 12-1-8; Mark 2.23-28; Luke 6.1-5). There was no question as to the legality of the plucking itself; the law expressly laid it down that a man might pluck the ears of corn as he passed through a field, so long as he did not use a sickle (Deut. 23.25).

    But, when this was done on the Sabbath, it technically broke no fewer than four scribal Sabbath laws. To pluck the ears of corn was technically to reap on the Sabbath; to separate the husks from the grain was technically to winnow; to rub the grain between the palms of the hands was technically to grind; and the whole process was technically to prepare food for use. The simple act of the disciples was a fourfold breach of the oral law.

    In the eyes of the scribes and Pharisees the matter became rapidly worse. The plucking of the ears of corn might be regarded as a private matter; but Jesus began publicly to heal on the Sabbath day. The Jewish law on Sabbath healing was quite clear. To heal on the Sabbath day was to work on the Sabbath day, and was, therefore, forbidden.

    There were certain necessary exceptions. Medical attention was permissible when life was actually in danger, as, for instance, in the case of diseases of the nose, throat, eyes and ears. But, even in such cases it was lawful only to take steps to keep a man from becoming worse, and not to make him any better.

    The trouble might be arrested, but not cured. So, it was lawful to put a plain bandage on a wound, but not a medicated bandage; it was lawful to put plain cotton wool in the ear, but not medicated material. Unless life was in danger, the oral law definitely and distinctly forbade healing on the Sabbath day.

    This was a law which Jesus knowingly and deliberately broke. When Jesus entered into the synagogue where the man with the withered hand was worshipping, the emissaries of the scribes and Pharisees were there deliberately to see if he would heal in order that they might have evidence on which to accuse him, and, when he did, they went out and laid their plans to destroy him (Matt. 12.10-14; Mark 3.1-6; Luke 6.6-11).

    Here was open declaration of war: the scribes and Pharisees were there to watch; and Jesus in their presence deliberately broke their law. Here was calculated defiance. Nor did Jesus stop there. He healed the bowed woman (Luke 13.11-17), the man with the dropsy (Luke 14.1-6), the man who was born blind (John 9), and all on the Sabbath day.

    Jesus’ point of view was quite simple. He believed that human need takes precedence of any ritual rule or regulation. It was quite true that the life of none of these people was in actual danger; as far as their lives were concerned the matter might well have waited until the next day; but it was Jesus’ conviction that no human being must suffer for an hour longer than was necessary in order to keep a ritual law.

    He cited the example of David who was in the extremity of hunger and of need had taken the shewbread which none but the priests might eat (Matt. 12.3f.; Mark 2.25f.; Luke 6.3f.). He cited the fact that the law permitted that an animal which had fallen into a pit might be helped on the Sabbath day. How much more must a human being, a child of God, be helped (Matt. 12.11f.; Luke 13.15; 14.5)?

    Here was a head-on clash. The scribes and Pharisees saw religion in terms of obedience to rules and regulations, to rituals and to ceremonies; Jesus saw religion in terms of love to God and love to man. The scribes and Pharisees were perfectly sincere. To them Jesus was a law-breaker, a blasphemer, a bad man, an underminer of the very foundations of religion.

    It was absolutely necessary to destroy him before he did any more disastrous damage to Jewish religion. It is one of the supreme tragedies of the death of Jesus that he was hounded to his death by the most fanatically religious people of his day, by men who genuinely believed that they were serving God and protecting the rights of God by killing him.

    (c) There was one final difference between Jesus and the scribes and Pharisees. To the scribes and Pharisees the attitude of Jesus to sinful men and women was shocking and incomprehensible. He well knew that they contemptuously called him the friend of tax-gatherers and sinners (Matt. 11.19; Luke 7.34).

    When Jesus went to be a guest at the feast that Matthew gave after his call, the Pharisees demanded of Jesus’ disciples how their master could bear to eat with tax-gatherers and sinners (Matt. 9.10,11; Mark 2.15f.; Luke 5.29f.). ‘This man,’ complained the Pharisees, ‘receives sinners and eats with them’ (Luke 15.1). When Jesus invited himself to the house of Zacchaeus, the scandalized exclamation was: ‘He has gone in to be the guest of a man who is a sinner’ (Luke 19.7).

    Jesus believed that there is joy in heaven over one sinner who repents and comes home (Luke 5.7,10). The scribes and Pharisees said: ‘There is joy before God when those who provoke him perish from the world.’

    This attitude coloured the whole relationship of the Pharisees with their fellowmen. The Pharisees regarded ordinary people who did not keep the whole scribal law as unclean. Even to touch the garment of such a person was to be defiled.

    A Pharisee was forbidden to receive a non-Pharisee as a guest or to be the guest of such a person; a Pharisee would never dream of entering the house of such a person, of sitting at meat with such a person, or of entering into even the remotest fellowship with such a person. Their one aim was to have nothing whatever to do with the sinner; the one aim of Jesus was to get alongside the sinner and to woo him back to God.

    Here was another head-on collision. The Pharisees narrowed the love of God until it included only themselves; Jesus widened the love of God until it reached out to all men, saints and sinners alike. There can be no common ground between a religion which sees the sinner as a man to be avoided at all costs and a religion which sees the sinner as a man to be sought out at all costs, between a religion which sees the sinner as a man to be saved and a religion which sees the sinner as a man to be destroyed.

    The inevitable conclusion of the Pharisaic mind was that Jesus himself was like the company whom he sought out, and that he was making light of, and even encouraging, sin. Once again he seemed to them an evil moral influence, an undoer of the work of God, a character to dangerous to true religion and all that true religion stood for, that he must be immediately eliminated before he could do any more harm.

    There is the stuff of tragedy in this situation. The Pharisees were the spiritual aristocracy of their age; no body of men in history ever took their religion more seriously and in more earnest. As Paul was later to say they had zeal, but not zeal according to knowledge (Rom. 10.2).

    Because their religion was a religion of legalism they could not understand a religion of love; because Jesus was not one of the group of professional religious experts, they believed that he had no right to speak at all; because he did not keep the petty details of the scribal law, they believed him to be a bad man; because he sought out sinners, they believed him to be a sinner. There was no possible chance of agreement here. The Pharisees in their mistaken zeal for God were determined to eliminate the Son of God.

    (ii) Into the opposition to Jesus there entered the Sadducees. We often speak of the Pharisees and Sadducees together, as if they jointly formed one group. But in point of fact the Pharisees and the Sadducees were very different, and their beliefs were well-nigh opposite to each other.

    The Pharisees believed in the resurrection of the body and in judgment to come; the Sadducees did not. On one occasion Paul used this point of difference to throw the Sanhedrin into complete confusion and to set the Pharisees and Sadducees arguing so violently with each other that they almost forgot him (Acts 23.6-10). The Pharisees believed in angels and spirits; the Sadducees did not. The Pharisees believed in the freedom of the will and in individual choice; the Sadducees did not.

    But there was one basic difference between the Pharisees and the Sadducees. The scribal or oral law was to the Pharisees the greatest and the most sacred thing in the world. The Sadducees rejected the whole of it. They accepted only what was written in Scripture and would have nothing to do with the scribal elaboration of it; and of Scripture they only accepted the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Old Testament, and did not give any authoritative place either to the prophets or to the writings.

    ‘The Sadducees,’ say Josephus, ’say that only what is written is to be esteemed as legal. On the contrary, what has come down to us from the tradition of the fathers need not be observed.’ [Antiquities 13.10.6.] The Sadducees did not accept the mass of rules or regulations on which the Pharisees founded religion and life.

    But the distinguishing characteristic of the Sadducees was that they were the aristocrats of the Jews. ‘They only gain the well-to-do,’ said Josephus, ‘they have not the people on their side.’ ‘This doctrine has reached few individuals, but these are of the first consideration.’ [Antiquities 13.10.6; 18.1.4.]

    Just because of this the Sadducees were the collaborators with Rome; they were well content to cooperate with their Roman masters in the government of Palestine. It is usually among the wealthy that political collaborators are found in any conquered country, because they wealthy have most to lose, and because they are prepared to collaborate in order to keep their comfort, their wealth and their privileges. Such collaboration necessitated frequent association and meetings with the Gentiles which for a Pharisee would have been impossible and unthinkable.

    The scribal law laid it down: ‘Six things are laid down by the rabbis about the man who does not keep the law: “entrust no testimony to him, take no testimony from him, trust him with no secret, do not appoint him the guardian of an orphan, do not make him the custodian of any charitable funds, do not accompany him upon a journey.” ‘

    The strict Pharisee would never enter the house of a Gentile, or allow a Gentile to enter his. He would not even buy anything from, or sell anything to, a Gentile. For him even ordinary things like bread and milk were unclean, if they were sold, or had been handled, by a Gentile.

    For a Sadducee all this was quite impossible. The Sadducees would come into frequent contact with the Roman officials, would entertain them in their houses, and would be entertained in theirs. There were even Sadducees who were in sympathy with Greek culture and with the Greek way of life. To a Pharisee a Sadducee would be unclean, and nothing better shows the virulence of the hatred of the Pharisees for Jesus than the fact that they were prepared to enter into a confederacy with the Sadducees to work for the elimination of Jesus.

    Why, then, were the Sadducees as eager as the Pharisees to compass the death of Jesus? The real reason for the hatred of the Sadducees lay in the fact that they completely misread Jesus. They looked on Jesus as a political revolutionary ready to raise a rebellion against Rome, or they were at least convinced that it was in such a rebellion that his teaching must end. Luke tells us the charge on which the Jews brought Jesus to Pilate.

    In their private trial of Jesus the Jewish charge against Jesus was a charge of blasphemy, the charge that he had claimed to be the Son of God (Matt. 26.65; Mark 14.64; Luke 22.71). But that was not the charge on which they brought him to Pilate. When they brought him to Pilate the charge was: ‘We found this man perverting our nation, and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ a king’ (Luke 23.2).

    That was almost certainly a charge concocted by the Sadducees, for they knew that Pilate would never listen to a charge of blasphemy, which would have seemed to him a mere matter of Jewish religion, but that he was bound to listen to a charge of political insurrection. It is further to be noted that the Sadducees did not expect and did not await and pray for a Messiah.

    Why? The Sadducees knew that the one thing Rome would not tolerate was political unrest and disturbance. Any governing party which allowed any kind of rebellion to arise would receive short shrift from the Roman imperial government and would certainly be speedily evicted from office. The last thing the Sadducees desired was political trouble, for then they would lose their power, their prestige, their comfort, their wealth.

    It was all in their interests to keep things as they were. For them the coming of the Messiah would be, as they saw it, a disaster. Their thoughts ran like this: ‘This man may at any moment put himself at the head of a revolution. Undoubtedly he has unique powers, and undoubtedly the people would follow him.

    Even if he does not himself do so, his teaching is so explosive that he may raise forces which will erupt even independently of him. If that happens, there will be trouble with the Romans. True, he himself will be crushed. But, if there is trouble, we will lose our jobs in the government and in the administration; our wealth will be confiscated, our place will be lost; our luxury and our comfort will be gone; and that must not happen.’

    The hatred of the Sadducees was based entirely on self-interest. In Jesus they saw a threat to their privileges; therefore Jesus must go. The Pharisees hated Jesus because they were men of principle, however misguided their principles were. The Sadducees hated Jesus because they were complete time-savers.

    [Note from MPK: perhaps Prof. Barclay means by “time-savers” that the Sadducees were unprincipled opportunists?]

    The Pharisees hated Jesus from religious motives, even if these motives were entirely mistaken. The Sadducees hated Jesus for no other reason than worldly and materialistic selfishness. To ensure their own continued comfort and luxury the Sadducees were prepared to do anything to obliterate this perilous and disturbing Jesus of Nazareth.

    (iii) There was a third group of people active in the steps which led to the crucifixion of Jesus — the priests. Very often in the narrative of the Gospels they are described as the chief priests. The chief priests included two kinds of people.

    (a) They were ex-High Priests. In the days of Israel’s independence the High Priest was appointed for life. But under the Romans the high priesthood became a matter of plots, ambition and intrigues, and the High Priest became a pawn in the political game.

    It, therefore, happened that High Priests came and went rapidly, as one man after another plotted his way to the supreme office, or as the Roman government substituted one for another to suit its own purposes. Between 37 BC and AD 67 there were no fewer than twenty-eight High Priests. There were, therefore, always ex-High Priests alive; such a man was Annas; and these were included among the chief priests.

    (b) Although the high priesthood was not hereditary, the High Priests were drawn from a limited number of aristocratic families. Of the twenty-eight High Priests we have mentioned, all but six came from four families, the families of Phabi, Boethos, Kamith and Annas. These families formed a priestly aristocracy, and their members were known as the chief priests.

    At the beginning of Jesus’ ministry we do not hear much about the priests, but that is because his early ministry was in Galilee and did not as yet impinge upon the priesthood, which was centralized in the Temple in Jerusalem. By the time of Peter’s great discovery and confession at Caesarea Philippi, Jesus was well aware that the priests were his sworn enemies who would be in at the death (Matt. 16.21; 20.18; Mark 8.31; 10.33; Luke 9.22).

    When we come to the last days and hours of Jesus’ life, as we read the narrative of the Gospels, we cannot help feeling that the whole scene is dominated from start to finish by the terrible malignity of the priests. It is true that the elders and the scribes appear on the scene, but the whole impression is that the driving force of the enmity to Jesus was the embittered, malevolent hatred of the priests.

    When Jesus spoke, they well understood his condemnation of them (Matt. 21.45). They were unhappy and displeased at the welcome Jesus received when he entered Jerusalem (Matt. 21.15). Very naturally they bitterly resented the cleansing of the Temple, and demanded to know what was Jesus’ authority for speaking and acting as he did (Matt. 21.23; Mark 11.18,27f.; Luke 20.1).

    They are continuously shown as plotting to kill Jesus, and seeking a way to eliminate him without arousing the crowd (Matt. 26.3,4; 27.1; Mark 14.1; Luke 19.47; 20.19; 22.2). It was to them that Judas went with the offer of his treachery (Matt. 26.14; Mark 14.10; Luke 22.3f.). It was the priests who were behind the arrest in the Garden, and the Temple police were involved in it (Matt. 26.47; Mark 14.43; Luke 22.52).

    It was to the house of Caiaphus that Jesus was taken for the mockery of a trial (Matt. 26.57; Mark 14.53; Luke 22.54). The body which tried Jesus was meant to be the Sanhedrin, the supreme council of the Jews; that council contained scribes and Pharisees, Sadducees, elders and priests; but once again the impression is unavoidable that it was the implacable hostility of the priests which ruled the whole proceedings.

    [Note from MPK: Elsewhere Barclay has written that it was Nicodemus, the Pharisee who had come in secret at night to seek out Jesus’ council (John 3.1-21) and who had assisted in Jesus’ burial after his death on the cross (John 19.39-42), who provided this inside account of the Sanhedrin’s proceedings against Jesus, since it is extremely unlikely that any of Jesus’ disciples or followers was present at this show trial.]

    They were prepared to hire false witnesses against him (Matt. 26.59; Mark 14.55). The High Priest was the principal cross-examiner of Jesus (Matt. 26.62-65; Mark 14.60-64). It was the priests who delivered Jesus to Pilate (Matt. 27.1,2; Mark 15.3; Luke 23.3-5,10). It was they who urged the mob to choose Barabbas and to refuse Jesus (Matt. 27.20; Mark 15.11), and they were the leaders of the shouts which demanded crucifixion for Jesus (Luke 23.23).

    They flung their mockery at him on the cross (Matt. 27.41; Mark 15.31). Even when he was, as they thought, dead, they could not leave him alone. They urged Pilate to set a special watch on the tomb (Matt. 27.62-66), and they tried to bribe away the evidence for the empty tomb (Matt. 28.11f.). In the last days and the last hours the leaders of the insane fury of hatred were the priests.

    Why this enmity? To understand this we must understand the place which the priests held in Jewish religion. The only qualification for the priesthood was unbroken physical descent from Aaron. If a man possessed that descent, nothing could stop him from being a priest; if he did not possess that descent, nothing could make him a priest.

    Moral qualification and spiritual power did not enter into the matter. The only things which could debar a man from exercising the priestly function were certain physical defects (Lev. 21.16-23), of which the later oral law enumerated 142; but even if a man was debarred from exercising the Temple functions of a priest by physical defect, he was still entitled to the perquisites and the emoluments of a priest.

    According to Josephus there were 100,000 priests. There were so many of them that they could not possibly serve all at the one time in the Temple. They whole priesthood was on duty only at the festivals of the Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. They were divided into twenty-four courses, each of which served for two weeks in the year. This is to say that a priest’s working year consisted of no more than five weeks.

    The perquisites of the priests were enormous. Of all the sacrifices offered in the Temple, only the burnt-offering was entirely consumed by the fire of the altar. In every other case, only a quite small part of the victim was burned, and of the rest the priests received a very large part. In the case of the sin-offering, which was the offering not for an individual sin but for man as a sinner, only the fat was burned, and all the meat was the perquisite of the priests.

    It was the same in the case of the trespass-offering, which was the offering for particular sins. In the case of the peace-offering, which was the offering for special occasions of thanksgiving, the fat was burned on the altar; the worshipper received the greater part of the meat; but the priest received the breast and the right shoulder. The one remaining offering was the meat-offering, which was offered along with every other offering.

    The name is nowadays deceptive, for the meat offering consisted of flour and oil; it is called the ‘cereal offering’ in the Revised Standard Version. Of it only a small portion was burned and the priests received all the rest. With the single exception of the burnt-offering there was no offering of which the priests did not receive a substantial part. No class of the people knew such luxury in food.

    In Palestine the ordinary working man was more than fortunate if he tasted meat once a week, whereas the priests suffered from an occupational disease consequent on eating too much meat. It is to be noted that even when a priest was not on actual Temple duty, and even if he was debarred from actually officiating at sacrifices because of physical blemish, he still received his full share of the offerings; for by far the greater amount of the meat which fell to the share of the priests need not be consumed in the Temple itself, but could be eaten in any clean place, and could, therefore, be distributed to the non-officiating priests in their own homes.

    [Note from MPK: I am not sure that, in those days without refrigeration or methods of preserving foods, it would have been practical to transport sacrificial meat from the Temple sacrifices to priests who lived scattered around Judea. I think that the vast bulk of the meat was consumed by the officiating priests, and furthermore, what could not be consumed within a certain stipulated time period, usually 1-2 days, had to be destroyed on the altar fire. So it does not appear correct that the priests heavily consumed meat all year round, but only during the rare periods — five weeks out of the year — during which they officiated at the Temple itself.]

    Nor did the privileges and perquisites of the priests end there. The priests received the first fruits of the seven kinds (Ex. 23.19), that is, of wheat, barley, the vine, the fig-tree, the pomegranate, the olive and honey [Note from MPK: honey means date honey.] This offering was meant primarily as an offering to God, but its proceeds were enjoyed by the priests.

    For the personal support of the priests there was brought to the Temple the terumah, which consisted of the choicest fruits of every growing thing (Num. 18.12). One-fiftieth of the crop was the average amount brought to the priests. In addition to this there were the tithes (Num. 18.20-22), which consisted of one tenth of everything which could be used as food. This was for the support of the Levites, but the priests received their share.

    Still further, there was the challah, or offering of kneaded dough. The priests were entitled to one twenty-fourth part of the dough used in any baking. [Note from MPK: ideally speaking, this system was designed to provide a fair sustenance to the priesthood, who were supposed to be devoted not just to peforming priestly functions but to serving as religious teachers of the nation.

    The Levites (in which tribe the priests were included) did not receive a tribal allotment of the land and thus were dependent on the other Israelites to provide for their needs. The tithing system worked to ensure that theoretically speaking every tribe would have a roughly equal portion of the nation’s total wealth.

    If twelve tribes each contributed 10% of their income to support the remaining Levitical tribe, then everyone would end up with roughly the same level of wealth. In addition, an important part of the atonement process at the Temple was the charitable donation of the sacrificial portions to sustain the officiating priests. In exchange for all this largesse, the priests were supposed to endeavor spiritually for the welfare and blessing of the entire nation.]

    It can be seen that the priests were a privileged body of men in a comparatively poor country, living a life of unexampled ease and luxury at the expense of the people. It is not in human nature that men should willingly abandon a way of life like that.

    Still further, the priests occupied a unique position between man and God. Since the time of Josiah all local shrines had been forbidden, and the law was that sacrifice could be offered only at the Temple in Jerusalem, and only though the priest. The priest, therefore, stood between man and God. If a man sinned, and the right relationship of God was to be restored, sacrifice must be made, and that sacrifice could be made only through the priest. Seldom can any body of men have wielded such spiritual power.

    All this was true of the priests — and yet one thing was abundantly and increasingly clear — if Jesus was right, the priests were wrong. If Jesus’ view of religion was correct, then the priesthood and all its functions were a vast irrelevancy. There are not lacking signs in the religious history of Israel that many times there was a breach between prophet and priest. Isaiah heard God say:

    ‘What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?…

    Bring no more vain offerings;

    incense is an abomination to me’ (Isa. 1.11-15).

    In face of all the paraphernalia of sacrifice Micah declared:

    ‘He has showed you, O man, what is good;

    and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice,

    and to love kindness,

    and to walk humbly with your God?’

    God has no use for rivers of oil and thousands of rams; these are not the offerings he desires (Micah 6,1-8). Again and again the prophets with their ethical demands challenged thre ritual of the priests. With Jesus the matter had come to a head. ‘I will have mercy and not sacrifice,’ he said, quoting Hosea (Matt. 9.13; 12.7; Hosea 6.6).

    Here was the supreme challenge. Either Jesus had to go, or the whole sacrificial system had to go. Either the priesthood destroyed Jesus, or Jesus destroyed the priesthood. Beyond a doubt there were priests who loved the Temple service, and who through it sought devotedly to serve God; but, human nature being what it is, the vast majority of the priests must have seen in him a threat to their comfortable way of life, a menace to their spiritual supremacy, the assailant of their vested interests; and they decided that, before Jesus destroyed them, they must destroy him.

    [Note from MPK: In my opinion Barclay errs here in implying that all the priests opposed Jesus. At the beginning of this section Barclay specifically identified the chief priests, both current and former High Priests, who were drawn from a small group of dynastic families, as Jesus’ main opposition among the Jewish priesthood.

    These were the men who lived in luxurious privilege, mainly by monopolizing the trade in sacrificial animals at exorbitant prices in the Temple courts, a practice that Jesus had actively opposed. The bulk of Israel’s priests, however, lived in humility and relative poverty. There were periods in Old Testament history when Israel’s priests suffered from dire poverty and hunger due to the fact that Israelites neglected their religious duty to provide them with tithes and offerings.

    No doubt these common priests also resented the aristocratic pretences of the corrupted officials of the office of the High Priest. And indeed the Book of Acts reports that a great many of these common priests became followers of Jesus: Acts 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.]

    It was a queer tangle of human motives which hounded Jesus to the Cross. All the loveliness of his life mattered nothing. The Pharisees honestly and sincerely believed him to be a bad man and an evil influence on other men. The Sadducees wished only to remove a possible threat to their civil and political power and social standing. The priests were determined to eliminate a teacher whose teaching spelt the end of their perquisites and of their spiritual dictatorship.

    Jesus cut across blind and rigorous orthodoxy, political and social ambition, ritual and spiritual aristocracy; and so men came to the conclusion that he must die.

    [Note from MPK: in another book Prof. Barclay writes that the various Jewish factions that opposed Jesus and sought his death were able to manipulate Pilate to sentence Jesus to death by crucifixion. When they told Pilate that if he showed leniency to Jesus he would prove not to be a friend of Caesar, they were intimating that they would report him to Rome as an ineffective ruler and have him dismissed from his office, a threat they had made good on in previous periods with other Roman governors. (John 19.12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar’s friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar)

    Thus according to Barclay these combined Jewish factions that opposed Jesus and sought his death successfully manipulated Pilate to perform their will by decreeing death for Jesus. In this Barclay lays the bulk of the blame for Jesus’ death on the Jewish authorities, and not on the Romans, who Barclay believes were manipulated by the Jewish opposition to Jesus to destroy a man who was perceived as a mortal threat only by these Jewish elites and not by the Romans themselves.

    This view has fallen into disfavor in this post-Holocaust era of rapprochement between Christianity and Judaism; however it may in fact be more truthful than the currently popular approach that attempts to lay the bulk of the blame for Jesus’ death on the Romans.]

    THE DOCTRINE OF PETRINE SUCCESSION IN MATTHEW 16

    THE RECOGNITION OF JESUS BY MEN

    [From The Mind of Jesus, by William Barclay, New York: Harper and Row, 1961, chapter 16, pp. 172-176]

    …. No sooner had Peter made his great discovery than Jesus made to him a series of great promises. These promises have been the subject of much and embittered controversy, and we must seek to find the mind of Jesus in them.

    [Note from MPK: Barclay alludes to the controversy about Petrine Succession that derives from this passage in Matthew 16. Roman Catholics claim that the Papacy as an institution was established by the power of these promises of Jesus to Peter. Protestants argue that the promises are more subtle. Barclay seeks to clarify and argues for a middle position.]

    (i) There is the promise to Peter: “You are Peter and on this rock I will build my church’ (Matt 16.18). Two things are to be noted. First, here there is a play on names, not reproducible in English. The Greek for ‘Peter’ is petros, and the Greek for rock is petra; in Greek there is a change in gender and therefore a change in the ending of the words; but in Aramaic the word play would be even more perfect, for Peter’s Aramaic name was Cephas, and cephas is the word for ‘a rock’.

    [Note from MPK: Barclay here demonstrates that the difference between Petra and Petros is a difference without a distinction. This is the basis for the Protestant argument that ‘the rock’ upon which Jesus builds his church cannot be Peter since the two words are different. Barclay points out that this is only a result of the peculiarities of Greek grammar and that, furthermore, in Aramaic the two words for ‘Peter’ and ‘rock’ would be identical!]

    Second, whatever the meaning of this is, there is no doubt that it was a very great compliment to Peter. To call a man ‘a rock’ was high praise. A rabbinic saying says that God said of Abraham: ‘Lo, I have discovered a rock on which to found the world.’ Abraham, so the rabbis said, was the rock on which the nation was founded, and the rock from which the nation was hewn.

    The word ‘rock’, this time in Hebrew sur, is again and again applied to God in the Old Testament. ‘Who is a rock, except our God?’ (Ps. 18.31; II Sam. 22.32). ‘The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer’ (Ps. 18.2; II Sam. 22.2). There can be no higher tribute than to call a man a rock. To whom, then, or to what does this phrase ‘this rock’ refer in the saying of Jesus to Peter?

    Four main suggestions have been made. (a) Augustine suggested that the rock in question is Jesus himself, and that Peter will be honoured in it. (b) It is suggested that the rock is Peter’s faith, that, to change the metaphor, Peter’s initial faith is the spark which kindled the flame and fire of faith which was ultimately to burn in the world-wide Church. (c) It is suggested that the rock is the truth that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God, that this is the bedrock of truth on which the very existence of the Church is founded. (d) While we agree that there is truth in all of these suggestions, we feel certain that the rock is none other than Peter himself.

    It is perfectly true that in the ultimate and eternal sense God is the rock on whom the Church is founded; but it is also true that Peter was the first man to discover and publicly to confess who Jesus was; and, therefore, on him the Church is founded.

    The meaning is not that the Church depends on Peter; the idea is, to use a modern metaphor from the same realm of thought, that Peter is the founder member of the Church, because he was the first to experience and to confess the Church’s faith in Jesus.

    [Note from MPK: Barclay here draws a middle line between Protestant and Catholic exogesis of this passage, in conceding that Peter is indeed the rock upon which Christ will build his church (the Catholic position) but not that Peter is vital to the Church’s function, thus denigrating the Papacy (the Protestant position).]

    It may be that we will get a better understanding of this saying of Jesus if we in fact avoid the word ‘church’; in modern times it has the ideas of denomination, organization, administration, Protestant, Roman Catholic attached to it. It is true that in Greek the word is ekklesia, but in the Greek Old Testament ekklesia regularly translates the Hebrew word qahal, which is the word for the congregation, the assembly of the people of Israel, assembled before God and in his presence.

    The idea then is that Peter is the founder member of the new Israel, the new people of God, whom Jesus came to create, the company of men and women everywhere who confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Nothing can take from Peter the honour of being the first stone in the edifice of the new people of God.

    [Note from MPK: Elsewhere about the miracles of Jesus Barclay has written that many of the supernatural miracle healings of Jesus may have natural explanations, otherwise they would not serve as guidance for us in later times. The same might be asked of Barclay here: if Peter is simply being singled out as the founding member of the Church of Christ, what eternal significance can that have for Christians down through the ages? The Catholic position of seeing in these words precedence for the establishment of the Papacy seems more tenable.]

    (ii) It is then said by Jesus to Peter: ‘I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven’ (Matt. 16.19). The possession of keys always implies very special authority and power. The rabbis for instance had a saying that the keys of birth, and death, and the rain, and the resurrection from the dead belong to God and to God alone.

    In the New Testament the keys are specially connected with Jesus. It is the Risen Christ who has the keys of death and Hades (Rev. 1.18). It is Jesus who has the key of David and who opens and no man shuts, and shuts and no man opens (Rev. 3.7). These sayings all have a common background. They all go back to Isaiah’s picture of the faithful Eliakim who had the key of the house of David on his shoulder, and who alone opened and shut (Isa. 22.22).

    Now Eliakim was the steward of the house of David; he was the doorkeeper who brought people into the presence of the king. So, then, Jesus is saying that Peter is to be the steward of the Kingdom. If that be so, the whole emphasis is on the opening of the door, for the steward is the person who answers and who opens the door. Peter was to be the man who opened the door of the Kingdom, and indeed he did. At Pentecost it was the preaching of Peter which opened the door to three thousand souls (Acts 2.41).

    It was Peter who adventurously opened the door of the Kingdom to the Gentile centurion Cornelius (Acts 10). It was Peter who at the Council of Jerusalem gave the decisive witness which flung open the door of the Church to the Gentiles at large (Acts 15.14).

    The last thing that Jesus meant when he said that Peter would have the keys of the Kingdom was that Peter would have either the right or the duty to close the door; Jesus meant that in the days to come Peter would be like a faithful steward opening the door of the Kingdom to those who were seeking the King.

    [Note from MPK: Barclay argues here that a follower of Christ never should close the door to anyone seeking the presence of God. However the idea of closing the door might allude to Peter’s power and responsibility to protect the Church. And in requiring catechesis of new converts to the Faith, the Church traditionally did close the door or at least opened it cautiously to those who demonstrated their sincerity.]

    (iii) It is then said by Jesus to Peter: ‘Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven’ (Matt. 16.19). Here we must note two things. First, we must note that it is whatever you bind and loose, not whomever you bind or loose.

    This has clearly nothing to do with binding or loosing people. Second, the phrase binding and loosing was very common in Jewish language in regard to rabbinic and scribal decisions about the Law. To bind something was to declare it forbidden; to loose something was to declare it allowed. In this context this is the only meaning which these words can have.

    Jesus was saying to Peter: ‘Peter, in the days to come heavy responsibilities will be laid upon you. You, as leader of the Church, will have to take grave decisions. The guidance and the direction of the young Church is going to fall on you. Will you always remember that the decisions you will be called on to make will affect the lives and souls of men in time and in eternity?’ Jesus was not giving Peter some special privilege; he was giving him a grave warning of the almost unbearable responsibility that was going to be laid upon him for the welfare of the Church in the days to come.

    [Note from MPK: Catholics find in these words precedent for the concept of auricular confession and of priestly absolution from sin. Barclay appears to argue against this notion, but I do not find him totally convincing.]

    Jesus was saying to Peter, and saying with joy: ‘Peter, you are the foundation stone of the new community which I came to found, for you are the first man to know me and to confess me. In the days to come you will be the steward of my Kingdom, opening the door to those who seek my presence.

    “In the days to come you will have grave decisions to make, decisions which will affect men’s souls. Always remember the duty laid upon you, and your responsibility to men and to me.’

    This is the natural and inevitable outcome of this whole incident. Jesus took his disciples apart for the all-important purpose of finding out if there was any who understood him. To his joy one man did understand, and Jesus was committing his work into the hands of that man, for that was the very thing he had set out to do.

    But there is still something to add to this incident. No sooner had Peter made his great discovery and his great confession than Jesus began to tell his disciples of the suffering, the death, the Cross that lay ahead. And immediately Peter broke out with violence: ‘God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you!’ (Matt. 16.22). Peter’s violence was due to two things.

    First, it is a desperate thing to hear the one you love more than anything else in the world saying that he is going to the cross. Here is the stuff of broken hearts. Second, Peter had just made the great discovery that Jesus was the Messiah, and the one thing of which the mind of Peter was totally incapable was to connect Messiahship with suffering and death.

    He had been taught and trained from his earliest days to think of Messiahship in terms of victory, triumph, glory, conquest, power. A Suffering Messiah was something which had never entered into his mind. Peter’s heart had gone out in devotion to Jesus, but Peter had still much to learn, and Jesus had still much to teach.

    [Note from MPK: This was parallel to Peter’s denial of the Lord prior to his crucifixion, which also appeared to have been motivated by a love and desire to remain close to Jesus whatever the cost. Peter was acting as a kind of “secret agent” lodged within the enemy’s camp, whose denial of knowing Jesus was tactical rather than genuine. Yet even so Jesus rebuked him, and Peter immediately fell under deepest conviction. This suggests that the Machiavellian approach of encouraging Papal authority to utilize power in a utilitarian fashion where the ends justify the means might be very wrong indeed.]

    And here is the explanation to two further things in this incident. First, this is the explanation of why Jesus instructed his disciples to tell no man that he was the Christ (Matt. 16.20). At that moment they were all still thinking in terms of a conquering, fighting, nationalistic Messiah, and, if they had gone out to proclaim Jesus as such, all that would have happened would have been the tragedy of another disastrous and bloody and abortive rising against Rome.

    They had made the discovery; as yet they did not know what it meant; they must be silent until Jesus could lead them further into the truth that suffering love can do what conquering might can never do.

    Second, this is the explanation of Jesus’ violent rebuke of Peter. ‘Get behind me, Satan, you are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men’ (Matt. 16.23). The truth was that in that moment Peter confronted his Lord with the very same temptation as that with which Satan had confronted him in the wilderness.

    Jesus too knew the traditional idea of the conquering Messiah; Jesus too had considered that way. No one wishes to die on a cross in agony; but Jesus had deliberately put aside the way of power, which he might well have taken, and had chosen the way of the Cross. Peter in his mistaken love was facing Jesus again with the temptation to take the wrong way, and the temptation was this time all the stronger because it came from the voice of love.

    [Note from MPK: Note the word play between Satan and rock.Satan in Hebrew literally means a stumbling stone. (The English word stone and the German stein appear to be derived from this Hebrew word.)

    Here we see that a rock of faith can quickly become transformed into a stone of disbelief. We also speak in English of a person having a rock-like faith, an attribute, or a stony heart, a deficiency. Also we can see how Jesus could be confused by his enemies as an agent of satan, since as the stone the builders rejected he was incorrectly perceived as a rock of offense (Satan) rather than as the chief cornerstone.]

    At Caesarea Philippi Jesus had the joy of knowing that his work was safe because there was at least one who understood; but at Caesarea Philippi Jesus knew that he still had the problem of making those who loved him fully understand. But now the way to the Cross was clear, because there was at least one human heart in which he was enthroned.

  170. Michael Korn January 4, 2010 @ 2:15 pm

    JEWS WHO HATED JESUS AND LESSONS FOR OUR TIMES

    The following chapter from William Barclay’s book, The Mind of Jesus, analyzes the major Jewish factions that opposed Jesus and sought His death. It is very fascinating and insightful. It challenges us all to examine our hearts to identify those things within us that oppose, hate, and seek to kill Jesus, for in doing so we only are tragically opposing God, hating ourselves, and foolishly seeking our own destruction. Let us pray to allow God’s Son to administer His healing balm to help us recover from the curse of being self-haters to the blessing of being lovers of Jesus and extollers of God.

    It also is very sad to realize that modern Jewry today embraces none of the values of the main Jewish factions that opposed Jesus in His own day. Modern Jews have rejected Pharisaism (i.e., ultra-Orthodox rabbinism) and priestly ritual sacrifice. Some Jews today do embrace values of the Sadducean elites who opposed the social justice message of Jesus.

    Some Jews today occupy positions of power and privilege (e.g., professors of higher academia, captains of industry and finance, political and legal power brokers, physicians who find perpetuating the treatment of disease incredibly lucrative) akin to the High Priests who hated Jesus since He threatened their comforts and their amenities.

    But the vast majority of Jews today, both in Israel and throughout the rest of the world, stand opposed to Jesus simply due to their appalling ignorance of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. They stand naked and shorn of their spiritual heritage that even the Apostle Paul admitted was the great privilege of ethnic Jews: possession of the oracles of God.

    Today most Jewish people around the world are like pagans, devoid of even the most rudimentary foundational Biblical knowledge, resting on a vague sense of pride in their historic chosenness. These people are truly akin to the lost sheep without a shepherd whom Jesus pitied so deeply. May the following sobering words of William Barclay move us to witness to these lost souls of the Jewish People with greater urgency and deeper compassion than ever, for the hour truly is short and the fields are bursting for the harvest. AMEN!

    [From The Mind of Jesus, by William Barclay, New York: Harper and Row, 1961, chapter 15, pp. 150-166]

    THE MEN AGAINST JESUS

  171. Fr. Joseph January 4, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

    Perhaps what is needed is very simple and very fundamental understanding of the words ‘Good’ and ‘Evil’ as they are introduced to us from the writings of Moses in the very first book of ‘The Torah’.

    The prinicple root-word meaning of the English word ‘GOOD’ as it comes to us from the ‘Distant & Ancient Past’ denotes the traits and qualities of ‘Being Integrated’, of having ‘Wholesomeness’, meaning to say all the elements of a ‘Good’ thing compliment each other, cooperate with each other, serve to function flawlessly together.

    The principle root-word meaning for the contemporary English word ‘EVIL’ as it comes to us from the ‘Distant and Ancient Past’ denotes any and all actions SUBVERTING the nature, character and being of anything that is ‘Good’ or possesses ‘Goodness’.

    “To cover up”, “to conceal”, “to replace”, “to raise up something else in the place of” - THAT is what the root-meaning of the word ‘EVIL’ denotes.

    In short, to ‘cover up’, to ‘conceal’, to ‘replace’, to ‘exchange one for another’ the INTEGRITY of all manner of thing that an All-good God Himself CREATED is, in essense, an ‘EVIL’ thing.

    To attempt to UNDO an All-good God’s Creation as well as to UNDO an All-good God’s Divine Will FOR His Own Creation is the very ‘ESSENSE OF EVIL’!

    To replace LIFE with DEATH is ‘evil’.

    To conceal TRUTH with LIES is ‘evil’.

    Our All-good God is a God of LIFE and our All-good God is a God of TRUTH. And our All-good God is a God of LIFE and a God of TRUTH on account of the Divine Fact that God Is LOVE.

    If one wishes to DESTROY, ALTER, CHANGE, REPLACE, CONCEAL either or both LIFE and TRUTH which comes from an All-good God’s LOVE, then one must harbor in and perpetually dwell in a spiritual state of HATE.

    If something is TRUE, than that TRUTH can only serve to promote and foster both LIFE and LOVE.

    If something is a LIE, then that LIE can only serve to promote and foster both DEATH and HATE.

    In Mankind’s eating the FRUIT OF EVIL from the Tree of Knowledge - Mankind made the choice TO DIE. To die to their All-good God; to die to their fellow members of Mankind; and to die themselves.

    In making the deliberate choice ‘To Die’ is an AFFRONT to the God of Life. Desiring the ‘knowledge of evil’ is - at it’s very essense - a longing desire to NOT BE, to treat with contempt one’s own God-given BEINGHOOD!

    All manners and types of EVIL are both life-depriving and death-inducing.

    If one chooses EVIL and its associated underling associated ‘mode of being’ choice to NOT BE, one is making the choice of REFUSING TO BE alive and with the All-good God of LIFE.

    One cannot possibly escape the BEING that an All-good God of Life and Truth has given to oneself as one of His creatures. To have a ‘Being’ is, in itself, an irrevocable and eternally sustained REALITY established by and given substance by the OMNIPOTENCE of our All-good God and Creator.

    SATAN and his legions of elemental demonics are ‘desperate’ in trying to NOT BE. They are all - one way or another - trying to ESCAPE the fact that they themselves are to EXIST for ALL OF ETERNITY.

    And all of them are trying TO ESCAPE the Eternity that has been assigned to them all by an OMNIPOTENT God and Creator.

    These evil elementals have absolutely NO JOY nor do they have ANY PROSPECTS of any sort of ‘hope’ for them.

    But the last remaining ‘joy’ of those who are DAMNED is but to make others MISERABLE.

    The MISERY and the SUFFERING they all wish to INFLICT on our entire Human Race via their Weapons of Mass and Total Destruction via a thermonuclear Third World War has absolutely NOTHING to do with erecting a ‘One World Government’.

    The N.W.O. and O.W.G. human beings who have SWALLOWED this satanic lie are but only working to cause EVIL befall God’s Creation, God’s Human Race, God’s Church here on earth.

    Satan’s desire is but simply to bring DEATH to all things alive and living. Period.

    Hence, our World, our Human Race and our Church Militant here on earth have an utmost DIRE NEED to call upon THE WOMAN of Genesis 3:15 in order TO CRUSH Satan’s head and put AN END to this centuries long satanic conspiracy against the Human Race, our World and God Incarante’s Own CHURCH here on earth!

    - Fr. Joseph

  172. Michael Korn January 4, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

    Have you heard of the expression Ersatz Yisrael instead of Eretz Yisrael???

  173. Michael Korn January 4, 2010 @ 2:42 pm

    Can Fr. Joseph explain why Ave Maria University in Florida employs Rabbi David Dallin on its staff and promotes his books that teach that Popes Benedict XV and Pius X supported Zionism in total contradiction to the truth???

  174. jgalindes January 4, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

    @ Michael Korn,

    I do not understand this remark of yours, Sir:

    “It also is very sad to realize that modern Jewry today embraces none of the values of the main Jewish factions that opposed Jesus in His own day. Modern Jews have rejected Pharisaism (i.e., ultra-Orthodox rabbinism) and priestly ritual sacrifice. Some Jews today do embrace values of the Sadducean elites who opposed the social justice message of Jesus.”

    What were the positive values of Pharisaism back during Jesus days?

    Especially under Jesus’ crystal clear statements in John 8.

    Was He addressing the scribes and Pharisees or not?

    And by extension, He was addressing ALL the Jews.

  175. Fr. Joseph January 4, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

    Dear Michael Korn,

    No, I can’t.

    And there are about a ga-zillion other things I simply cannot explain either!

    I can’t explain why Russia’s Medvedev or Putin haven’t gotten the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church to get with the Bishop of Rome requesting that the Pope order the Bishops of the Catholic Church to consecrate Russia to the Immaculately Loving Heart of God the Son’s Mother. I mailed them a letter with about 10 RUSSIAN Icons of the Mother of God giving guidance and instructions to RUSSIANS of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    Nor can I explain to you why the US Senators and Members of US Congress STILL haven’t impeached Bush and Cheney and ALLOWE U.S. troops to go fight Israel’s proxy wars.

    Nor can I explain why the FBI and all 50 State Law Enforcement Agencies haven’t captured the REAL planner and perpetrators of the bogus, fake 9-11-2001 “Arab” terrorist attacks on the NYC Twin Towers. I mailed them ALL the systems schematics for the SATCOM equipped Boeing 757’s and 767’s showing them all how AUTO-FLIGHT and AUTO-PILOT and ground based SATCOM flight and navigation instructions are transmitted to the on-board Flight Management and Flight Control computers.

    Mailed them all a copy of Dylan Avery’s “Loose Change” 9-11 documentary to boot.

    Nor can I explain to you why the Israelis holed up in their Zionist State REFUSE to repent and convert to Christianity and obedience to Christ the King, Lord of lords and God Incarnate Himself of Whom Moses foretells His Coming in ‘THE TORAH’ at Deuteronomy 18:15-22 even after having the ‘Miracle of Holy Fire’ occur year in and year out in JERUSALEM for nearly 2 millenia now.

    Can’t explain to you why the readers of RZN don’t SUPPORT Br. Nathanael with some sort of FINANCIAL donation.

    Nor can I explain to you why the real Third Secret of Fatima has been BURIED and SUPRESSED by my Catholic Church’s Vatican officials and prelates.

    Nor can I explain to you how it is that the MURDERERS of Pope John Paul I have gotten away with THEIR crime.

    Nor can I explain to you why it is that the peoples of the nations of our contemporary World really and truly DON’T CARE what is going on throughout our World.

    Lots and lots and lots MORE things I simply cannot EXPLAIN TO YOU, my dear Michael Korn.

    I’m not the RZN ‘Answer Man’.

    Now if you wish, you can go ask GOD Who Is Omniscient why all of these sorts of UNEXPLAINABLE things are going on in our contemporary World.

    HE KNOWS what the ‘Real Story’ and the ‘Real Truth’ really and truly IS!

    He might just give you the Answer(s) you are seeking.

    - Fr. Joseph

  176. Fr. Joseph January 4, 2010 @ 5:20 pm

    Dear Michael Korn,

    It’s amazing (to me) how the Holy Spirit grants one “just the right words” to answer another’s question(s). He’s been helping me that way ever since I answered His Call to me (through the request of a diocesan parish Priest in San Diego, California) for ‘VOLUNTEERS’ to assist him, the Priest, in becoming a lay CATECHISM TEACHER to and for teen and young adults.

    Now regarding ALL of the “inconsistencies” that you or any others might wish to bring up to me regarding ANY of the following:

    1) In His Church or
    2) In this World

    in order to provide you and any others ‘THE ANSWER’, the Simple Answer Is this:

    “EVERYONE IS ‘BLOWING SMOKE’ at, with, to and for each other throughout the Church and throughout this World of ours.”

    That’s my answer from my hermitage to your home for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you and any others might wish to bring up for me to address in a PUBLIC FOR-THE-RECORD MANNER here on RZN.

    - Fr. Joseph

  177. charlie January 4, 2010 @ 11:04 pm

    Korn,

    One related passage you both (the author you quoted and your own commentary) omitted from your discussion of the Petrine succession was the instructions to Peter - by the seaside, after Christ had risen from the dead:-

    “Peter ‘do you love me more than these’ (ie these others)…..feed my lambs

    [Peter] ‘do you love me’ …shepherd my sheep…
    ..
    [Peter] do you love me’ ….feed my sheep.”

    (John 21 15-17)

    Had the author done so he would have found it difficult to take the middle ground, as you said, between Protestant and Catholic on the Petrine sucession since the church in every age must feed its lambs, shepherd its sheep and feed its sheep, and how else, through the light of these words of the gospel directed at the first head of the church than by the Petrine sucession?

    Another thing about the passage “whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be lossed in heaven.” . Words to this effect occur in another manner and place in the gospel, regarding the power to forgive sin.

    This time it was directed (in John 20 21-23)) to all the Apostles after our Lord breathed on them in the upper room - (after his Resurrection), and said to them ‘whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven, and whose sins you shall retain they are retained.”. This legitimized the sacrament of confession as applied to all the priesthood.

    In reference to Peter however it poses an interesting argument for Papal infallibility on matters of crucial bedrock dogma to the Roman Catholic church (as Fr Joseph pointed out - rarely used)- deriving also from the spiritual infallibily of all the church to the extent that it is Holy Spirit guided.

    Can anyone possibly argue otherwise?

    Finally all the reference you give above through quotation as well as that omitted (which I supplied) gives a pretty convincing case at least for A (emphasis) Pope as the visible head of the universal church on earth.

    Other faiths may do well therefore to look to the Pope for guidance and unity if they are true followers of the gospel.

  178. KathJuliane January 5, 2010 @ 12:12 am

    Reflections on Covenant and Mission

    Consultation of

    The National Council of Synagogues and

    The Bishops Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, USCCB

    August 12, 2002

    “For more than twenty years leaders of the Jewish and Roman Catholic communities in the United States have met semi-annually to discuss a wide range of topics affecting Catholic-Jewish relations.

    [Quite the Jew powerhouse for the sake of Zionism and Israhell with the blessing of Pope John Paul II and the Bush Administration. It’s not going to get better soon. Twenty or more years eroding what is still good, traditional, noble and true in the Western Church into a bastardized Judeo-Christianity along with apostate Christian Zionists, and mea culpas all around for ever calling Jews “Christ-killers”. Just in time for Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, and accelerated zealotry in that blood-thirsty little hellhole in the Middle East.

    The Eastern Churches with their obstinate “defects” don’t have anything comparable to its own state apparatus.]

    “Currently, the participants in these ongoing consultations are delegates of the Bishops Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (BCEIA) and of the National Council of Synagogues (NCS).

    “The NCS represents the Central Conference of American Rabbis, the Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, and the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism.

    “The Consultation is co-chaired by His Eminence William Cardinal Keeler [member of the diplomatic corps of the Vatican Secretariat of State for the Holy See and the Vatican State], the U.S. bishops’ moderator for Catholic-Jewish relations and Rabbi Joel Zaiman, of the Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism and Rabbi Michael Signer of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations…

    […]
    The Jewish reflections describe the mission of the Jews and the perfection of the world. This mission is seen to have three aspects. First there are the obligations that arise as a result of the loving election of the Jewish people into a covenant with God.

    Second, there is a mission of witness to God’s redeeming power in the world.

    Third, the Jewish people have a mission that is addressed to all human beings. The Jewish community is beginning to consider how Judaism’s missions might be related to Catholicism’s understanding of its mission for the world.”

    http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/resources/documents/interreligious/ncs_usccb120802.htm

    […]
    …”**Thus, while the [Roman] Catholic Church regards the saving act of Christ as central to the process of human salvation for all, it also acknowledges that Jews already dwell in a saving covenant with God.** The Catholic Church must always evangelize and will always witness to its faith in the presence of God’s kingdom in Jesus Christ to Jews and to all other people.

    “In so doing, the Catholic Church respects fully the principles of religious freedom and freedom of conscience, so that sincere individual converts from any tradition or people, including the Jewish people, will be welcomed and accepted.

    “**However, it now recognizes that Jews are also called by God to prepare the world for God’s kingdom. Their witness to the kingdom, which did not originate with the Church’s experience of Christ crucified and raised, must not be curtailed by seeking the conversion of the Jewish people to Christianity.**

    “The distinctive Jewish witness must be sustained if Catholics and Jews are truly to be, as Pope John Paul II has envisioned, “a blessing to one another.”25 This is in accord with the divine promise expressed in the New Testament that Jews are called to “serve God without fear, in holiness and righteousness before God all [their] days” (Luke 1:74-75).

    “With the Jewish people, the Catholic Church, in the words of Nostra Aetate, “awaits the day, known to God alone, when all peoples will call on God with one voice and serve him shoulder to shoulder (Soph 3:9; see Is 66:23; Ps 65:4; Rom 11:11-32).”26″

    [Quite the interesting and comprehensive document, and details much, much more about such things as what is Jewishly appropriate and politically correct propagation of faith, political correct guidelines regarding piety, literature and media, etc. so as to completely curb the mental illnesses of “anti-Semitism”, “anti-holocaustianity”, and Catholic Christianity in particular, specializing in Catholic guilt-tripping and rampant spiritual parasitism.

    Charlie, I am not anti-Catholic, I am anti-papist on principle, and there is a big difference between the two. Bishop Williamson is a hero of mine speaking in a world of double-minded men, is in my prayers everyday, and seems to be one of the best and staunchest traditional Christians I should ever hope to meet.]

  179. Fr. Joseph January 5, 2010 @ 12:39 am

    It seems to me that so many people have a personal problem with ‘Papal Infallibility’ on account of their bethinking that ‘Infallibility’ equates with ‘Omniscience’.

    When a serious issue or decision MUST be made in the Life of the Church - as serious decisions are made by our own selves in our own lives and lifetimes - we all turn to someone who is wiser, has more knowledge or has access to the proper information BY WHICH to make a correct, proper and fitting decision.

    In having abandoned the belief that the Church is the FAMILY of God, most if not all protestant sects, cults and/or denominations see no reason for there being ‘a Father’ over the Church. Hence, to the protestant mind, it is an absurdity to call ANYONE ‘Father’ in the Church here on earth - to include referring to the Bishop of Rome as ‘The Holy Father’.

    When the Church Militant here on earth is confronted with some sort of ‘dreadfully serious issue’ regarding WHAT the members of the Church are to believe and HOW the members of the Church are to live, the Church Family turns to ‘The Holy Father’.

    ‘The Holy Father’ has Christ Jesus’ Own Divine Assurance that He will ASSIST the Chief Shepherd and Successor to St. Peter with His Own Divine Help and Assistance.

    And Christ’s Help and Assistance to and for His Own Church’s successors to the Apostles comes to them in the form of the Divine Help and Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit.

    The very first exercise of Petrine ‘Infalliblity’ is when Jesus asks His Own Apostles ‘But Who do YOU say it is that I Am?’

    ONLY St. Peter spoke up answering in an INFALLIBLE manner ‘You are the Christ. The Son of the Living God.’

    In that single passage from Sacred Christian Scripture - we ALL can acknowledge that it was God the Holy Spirit who INFUSED that Bit of Knowledge into St. Peter’s mind and heart.

    To ASSERT that God the Holy Spirit is INCAPABLE of doing that particular feat with St. Peter’s successors is to start telling God Himself what He can do and what He can’t do and what He doesn’t have HUMAN PERMISSION to do!

    Either St. Peter was INFALLIBLE with the Divine Assistance of God the Holy Spirit in asserting/declaring/understanding that Jesus was THE MESSIAH as well as proclaiming His Divine Nature and His Divine Origin and His Divine Being as being the ‘Son of the Living God’ - or he was NOT.

    ‘Bible-Christians’ the world over had really and truly better RECONSIDER their rejection of the Successor to St. Peter - the Bishop of Rome’s - and his INFALLIBILITY when he speaks on matters of the Christian Faith and on Christian morals!

    If the Bishop of Rome is NOT infallible when he speaks on matters of the Christian Faith and on Christian morals - then what make PROTESTANTS think their own pastors and their own teachers and their own denominations are CORRECT??

    If the Bishop of Rome is NOT “infallible” - then neither are ANY of the pastors of the 27,000 protestant denominations throughout our entire World!

    So why do any protestants believe ANYTHING AT ALL to include the Divine Inspiration of the books of the Catholic Church which were given the Bishop of Rome’s APPROVAL that they ought to be contained in ‘The New Testament’?

    - Fr. Joseph

  180. Fr. Joseph January 5, 2010 @ 1:16 am

    Dear KathJuliane,

    Just a quick question regarding the issue of ‘Infallibility’.

    Which Patriarch or Patriarchs of any or all of the Eastern Orthodox Churches employed his (or their) ‘INFALLIBILITY’ in publicly asserting that the Mother of God did, IN FACT, live a sinful life or committed sin on account of NOT being ‘Immaculately Conceived’ by God Himself?

    Or put in another way - where IN the Eastern Orthodox Church rests the charism of ‘Infalliblity’?

    - Fr. Joseph

  181. The Prodigal Son January 5, 2010 @ 4:26 am

    Michael Korn,

    Perhaps you missed the 1st post I addressed to you above ?

    A few more points…

    You said in your post from Dec 30 @ 2:10pm, “Jesus was addressing the ‘Jews’ in Jerusalem…”

    Actually - He was addressing JUDEANS (residents of the Roman province of Judea), many of whom were not Judahites… were not even Israelites at all; but were in fact Edomites.

    You also said, “What about the apostles who were ‘Jews’ ?”

    To my knowledge all of the 12 apostles (except Judas) were from Galilee - NOT Judea… so that means they were Galileans - NOT ‘Jews’.

    We know that James was of the tribe of Judah and that Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin… so you MIGHT get away with calling James a ‘Jew’ (as in Judahite), but if Paul was a Benjamite - then he obviously wasn’t a ‘Jew’, but he was an Israelite.

    The ‘Jews’ of today speak as if the words ‘Jews’ and ‘Israel’ are synonymous, but we know that they aren’t ! The ‘Jews’ of today have no connection to Judah or Israel.

    Re: your post on Dec 31 @ 12:26, you said, “Also the priests and Levites would have been careful not to marry in with Edomites.”

    According to Josephus, it was the Edomite Herods who ruthlessly ended the Judahite Maccabean (NOT the ‘Jewish’ Maccabean) ‘dynasty’ AND its Hasmonean high priestly family; it was the Herods who appointed the high priests (including Caiaphas and Annas) - and TOOK OVER the government of the Judeans, finally lining up with Titus in the siege of Jerusalem.

    — — —

    Lynda (sorry I spelled your name wrong before),

    In your post on Dec 31 @ 4:38pm, you said, “But (Jesus) certainly had disciples from among the Pharisaic Idumeans.”

    Do you have a reference for this assertion ?

    Thanks

  182. The Prodigal Son January 5, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

    CORRECTION:

    The high priests Caiaphas & Annas were not appointed by The Herods. Caiaphas was appointed by The Roman governor Valerius Gratus and Annas was appointed by Quirinius.

    The high priests which were appointed by the Herods were Ananel and Eleazar. Herod (the Great) was himself appointed King of all Judea by Octavian Caesar, so chances are good I think that Herod at least was consulted and gave approval regarding the appointments of Caiaphas & Annas over his subjects.

    — — —

    Timutele,

    First, I believe Br. Nathanael and his helper(s) are quite capable of moderating. If Br. Nathanael didn’t want a post to be there - it wouldn’t be there.

    Otherwise - it was you who responded to one of my posts with your post re: the 144,000, and to the posts of others - neccessarily going farther off-topic yourself, so… ?

    You said, “It would be obvious to anyone that, if you and I, for example were to continue our discussion, we might go further into looking at topics that were of interest between us.

    And as we did so we would more than likely stray farther and farther from the topic of Br. Nathanael’s post.(…)”

    Well then - let’s stop right here ! I don’t look at anything with a ‘Judeo-Christian’ eye anyhow ! If I aspire to be a Christian - it is Eastern Orthodox Christianity which rings true to me.

  183. The Prodigal Son January 5, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

    Charlie,

    The quote you provided from the book of Joel was fulfilled at Pentecost (Peter clearly says so, does he not?) and is also fulfilled to this day through Chrismation in His Church.

    And right after Peter quotes from Joel, when the crowd asks, “What shall we do ?” - he tells everyone how they too can also receive the Holy Spirit…

    You have to understand that under the OLD Covenant (before Christ), the Holy Spirit had been given only to very few: namely prophets, patriarchs, certain kings and rulers, etc., so that after Pentecost - the fact that even “servants and handmaids” could be indwelt with the Holy Spirit was unheard of before Christ came. The Holy Spirit is now accessible to everyone, through His Church.

    Why do you say that I am not interested in Fr. Joseph’s answers to me ? You’re wrong about that Charlie. I asked him a legitimate question - he replied to me & I thanked him & replied again to him… so what’s your trouble ?

    Picking and choosing Scripture ? You mean like you just did in your own replies to Mr. Korn and myself ?

    My point was - the Holy Spirit is received AT Chrismation… Rather than at the instant of belief or at Baptism (when Baptism is NOT accompanied by Chrismation, as is the practice in Roman Catholicism).

    What is YOUR point in your post to me on Jan 4 @ 12:43 ? Do you have a contrary view to the one I put forth, or… ?

    You asked me, “Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit ?”

    Well Charlie - THAT is what I’m trying to determine for myself !

    I was Baptized at St. Malachi’s Roman Catholic church as an infant… but my single mother never took me to be Confirmed (Chrismated).

    For some odd reason - Roman Catholicism has SEPARATED Baptism and Chrismation, when Chrismation is SUPPOSED to be given immediately following Baptism.

    So that is why I asked Fr. Joseph what I did… I was half-hoping he could prove me wrong so I might feel better about it.

    But Charlie… now if I am to be honest - I must answer, No - I do not believe I have been Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

  184. Fr. Joseph January 5, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

    Be at peace.

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    ‘Chrismation’ or ‘Confirmation’ as it is called the Western Church IS administered to newly Baptized converts to the Church!

    That occurs EVERY Easter - in what is called by the very non-theological term

    ‘The Grand Slam’

    Baptism - Chrismation/Confirmation - Eucharist

    These three Sacraments are bestowed upon the ADULTS who, in their conversion to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith, have undergone their period as ‘CATECHUMENS’ - the period PRIOR TO being Baptized-Confirmed-receiving the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Now INFANTS are Baptized into Christ BUT are placed under the ‘charge’, the ‘care’ of their own PARENTS - Mother and Father - until the time they reach the ‘Age of Reason’ - at which time the child then receives the Sacrament of Confirmation.

    In the ancient-old days, when Christians were killed off, the children who were Baptized were ALSO given another set of ‘Parents in the Faith’ who are known as ‘GOD-Fathers’ and ‘GOD-Mothers’.

    In the even that the child’s natural parent or parents were killed or died BEFORE the child reached the age to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, it was the duty and obligation of that child’s Godfather or Godmother to ensure the child was PROPERLY instructed in the Christian Faith.

    Are not INFANTS of parents of the Eatern Orthodox Churches INSTRUCTED about the Gifts of God the Holy Spirit WHEN they get older? I should HOPE they are instructed!

    Now I don’t know about the Eastern Orthodox Church’s understanding or teaching in this matter of the SACRAMENTS of the Church, but in the Western-Latin-Roman Church, St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that the Sacraments impart the signifing Graces onto a person for his or her own benefit TO THE DEGREE that person 1) possesses the FAITH God will supply the signified Divine Graces AND 2) UNDERSTANDS what he or she is seeking and/or asking for from the Church and her Sacraments!

    In Apostolic times, baptized Christians would go right ahead and receive the Body and Blood of our Lord WITHOUT EVEN recognizing that it WAS His Body and His Blood that they were receiving in Holy Communion.

    And the Lord punished them for holding such little regard for the Sacraments He established FOR the members of His Church!

    So you’ve been CHRISMATED in the Orthodox Church as an ADULT. Fine! Wonderful! The Orthodox Church DOES have Seven Valid Christian Sacraments.

    You could have ‘Just As Easily’ gone down to any local Catholic Church parish, ENROLL yourself in the catechism classes held for ADULTS prior to their reception of the Sacrament of Confirmation - and AT EASTER TIME - you, too, could have received the Sacrament of Confirmation from the WESTERN-LATIN-ROMAN Church.

    There is NO NEED to get oneself needlessly CONFUSED about all of this.

    BE AT PEACE! And now, with the Gifts of God the Holy Spirit imparted onto and into you - the Gifts of Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom, Courage/Fortitude, Piety, Reverennce and Awe/Fear of God, turn your mind and hearts onto the Lord in quiet personal listening PRAYER as simply ASK HIM what you can do for Him in helping Him bring about His Divine Will manifesting in this World of ours.

    We are ALL ’supposed TO DO SOMETHING’ with the Gifts of God the Holy Spirit INSTEAD OF spinning wheels on a squirrel cage getting nowhere fast!

    Go ASK THE LORD what it is that YOU can do for Him WITH the Gifts and the Divine Helps of HIS HOLY SPIRIT Who has been given to you.

    - Fr. Joseph

  185. KathJuliane January 5, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

    Dear F. Joseph,

    St. Nicholas Cabasilas explained this connection between baptism, chrismation, and the eucharist, which in Orthodoxy is combined at one time in the sacrament of Holy Baptism understood to be “baptism in water (3X immersion) and the Holy Spirit” (chrismation/laying on of hands) at the same time:

    “Baptism confers being and in short, existence according to Christ…The anointing with Chrism perfects (gradually matures) him who has received birth by infusing into him the energy that befits such a life. The Holy Eucharist preserves and continues this life and health, since the Bread of Life enables us to preserve that which has been acquired and to continue in life…In this way we live in God.”

    In other words, these mysteries are our participation in the life of the Holy Trinity. Baptism and chrismation lead us into that life, and the eucharist is the continuation and fulfillment of that life.

    Although there are many personal effects of baptism, it is still an ecclesial, corporate, event in the life of the Church. In the early days of the Church this fact was much more clear and the Eastern Churches have preserved the community aspects of sanctification. Lent was a time of pastoral and community preparation of catechumens for baptism.

    Candidates were enrolled at the beginning of Lent. Infants baptized at any time. Baptisms took place at the Lord’s Pascha (Easter), and culminated in the reception of communion by the newly baptized. Baptism was indeed a paschal event, and the liturgy reflects that early character of baptism.

    The fact that often in modern times baptism is separated from the Lord’s Pascha does not keep the essential nature of baptism from being paschal, for the Resurrection is central to the proper understanding of Holy Baptism. When baptisms occur, the church is also graced with a baptismal “infusion” of light of Christ as well.

    Infant baptism has been the normal practice of Christians throughout the entirety of the Christian era, from the early church up to the present time. In the scholastic era it changes in the West. It is still the practice today in the Eastern Church without question:

    ‘Then little children were brought to Jesus for Him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them. Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”(Matthew 19:13-14)

    Holy Baptism is understood to be the complete sacrament of three-fold immersion in sanctified water in the name of the Holy Trinity, Chrismation with holy oil for the gift of the Holy Spirit, and first communion of the Eucharist (both bread and wine) all at the same time to infants, and children, as well as adults.

    In the Catholic Church, children are baptized as infants but do not receive the Eucharist until they are old enough (typically around 7-8 years old) to make their first confession of sins and then receive their “First Communion.”

    Then, at an older age (usually 12-15 years), they receive the sacrament of confirmation (called chrismation in the Orthodox Church).

    By contrast, in the Orthodox Church, the three sacraments of initiation — baptism, chrismation and the Eucharist — are all administered to babies, and children, and continue to receive communion regularly throughout infancy and childhood.

    The earliest explicit reference to child or infant baptism is in the Apostolic Tradition of Hippolytus (a Hebrew and great polemicist against Jews and Judaizers), about 215 A.D.: “Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them.” (Hippolytus, Apostolic Tradition 21:15, c. 215 A.D.)

  186. charlie January 5, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

    Prodigal Son.

    Anyone born into the post Vatican II Catholic Church would find it difficult to connect with God receive the faith which comes from the Holy spirit and none other and follow the faith unde the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Thats you.

    So if you feel at home in the Eastern Orthodiox church thats fine. I too feel at home in the Eastern Catholic spirituality.

    What I suggest also is that you try attending a Traditional Catholic also called the Tridentine Rite, Mass and fellowship.

    .

  187. KathJuliane January 5, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

    Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Christians understand baptism to be a sacrament or a mystery — a visible means by which the grace of God is communicated to us, connected to joining Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection.

    We understand the sacraments of the New Covenant, established by Christ in the Church, to be the fulfillment of the types and images that were foreshadowed in the Old Covenant of Abraham, between God and the people of Israel. (See Hebrews 9-10).

    In the Old Testament, circumcision at 8 days of age was the means of entering into the covenant of Abraham and the life with YHWH and His people Israel. In the New Testament, it is baptism which marks our entrance into the kingdom of God, the beginning of our Christian life as the new Israel. Just as Hebrew boys were circumcised as infants, so also the children of Christian parents are baptized as infants. St. Paul makes this explicit link between circumcision and baptism:

    “In [Christ] you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead. (Colossians 2:11-12)

    “Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect… I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do… I press on toward the goal to win the prize…” (Philippians 3:12-14)

    Cyprian

    [l]t behooves those to be baptized . . . so that they are prepared, in the lawful and true and only baptism of the holy Church, by divine regeneration, for the kingdom of God . . . because it is written “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (Epistles 72 [73]: 21 [A.D. 252]).

    “As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

    Note that the contention was about how many days to wait before an infant received Holy Baptism, and not about infant baptism itself.

    Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, “Repent and be baptized..” Protestants, following the strands of scholastic understanding of “an age for moral accountability” of the sacrament in the West, use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, “If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”)

    This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.

    Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). Christ’s covenant family includes children and babies first of all.

    The word “children” that Peter used comes from the Greek word “teknon” which also includes infants.

    Luke 1:59 - this proves that “teknon” includes infants. Here, John as a “teknon” (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.

    Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.

    The earlier one comes to baptism, the better. For those who come to baptism as adults, the Church has always required them to profess their belief in Christ.

    For babies who come to baptism, the Church has always required the parents to profess the belief in Christ on behalf of the baby, and charged to raise the child in such a way that preserves the charism already given at infancy. But there is nothing in the Scriptures about a requirement for ALL baptism candidates to profess their own belief in Christ (because the Church has baptized babies for 2,000 years). When children are old enough, they just start going to the sacrament of confession. Since many priests are married and have children, too, that are a part of parish life then confession is at a little kid level.

    The sponsor (God-parent) was obliged to represent the child, since the oldest baptismal formularies, drawn up for adults, were used without change for infants and young children, who could not answer questions, make the renunciation, or recite the profession of faith. The close relation between sponsors and child was considered to lay a grave responsibility upon the former. Having renounced the devil and professed the faith on the child’s behalf, the God-parents were bound to see that these vows were carried out.

  188. Fr. Joseph January 6, 2010 @ 12:05 am

    Dear KathJuliane,

    ‘Hallelujah!’

    So we are finally NOT arguing. (grin)

    Amazing, isn’t it? That we AGREE that there are SEVEN Divine Sacraments in the Christian Church.

    And that these Sacraments really and truly DO confer both Actual and Sanctifying Spiritual Grace onto the individual’s soul.

    And if this DIVINE GRACE which comes to us from the SAME SOURCE and has for its Eternal Aim the eternal life of an that individual soul so as to be WITH GOD for all of Eternity, then it follows that there is ONE FAITH.

    And the reason why there is ONE FAITH is so that people in the Church - both those of the Clergy and of the Laity - get on with SEEING TO IT that God’s Divine and Holy Will gets DONE down here on earth “as it is in Heaven”.

    In HEAVEN, every last Saint, every last Angel RECOGNIZES and HONORS and PRAISES and LOVES the Mother of God who is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    In order to get THAT Divine Supernatural Reality which is ‘done in Heaven’ DONE here on earth requires ALL the peoples of our World in having their ATTENTION drawn to the Mother of God.

    The BISHOPS of the ONE CHURCH here ON EARTH have been tasked with getting 6 billion people’s ATTENTION turned onto the Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, with a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima Portugal Apparitions and Instructions - instead of what all these horrendous things the Bolshevik Jews and their Talmud-toting Kabbalah-kackling religious leaders and teachers have CAUSED to happen here all across our planet earth since late 1800’s to our present day and year of 2010 Anno Domini.

    Please ADVISE the Patriarchs and Metropolitans of the Eastern Orthodox Churches Heaven is still patiently waiting for what IS “done in Heaven” gets DONE down here on earth. Maybe THEY will do that IN UNION WITH the Bishop of Rome.

    We Catholics simply have TOO MANY MASONS and SATANISTS holed up in the Vatican giving the Bishop of Rome absolutely NO cooperation or assistance to get that done PROPERLY the way THE LORD wanted it and wants it done.

    Thank you.

    - Fr. Joseph

  189. KathJuliane January 6, 2010 @ 5:08 am

    Dear F. Joseph,

    Your question about “infallibility” in the Orthodox Church has been answered several times over the past year, by several different people. “Infallibility” resides in the Holy Spirit operative within the “patristic consciousness” of the Orthodox Church with our Lord Jesus Christ as her head, and not any one human being. Individuals can fail, even a majority does not confer “infallibility”, and quite often it has been the minority voice that carried the authority of the Spirit of Truth.

    No, we do not “agree” that the sacraments of the Western churches have either the canonical validity or the fullness of divine grace outside of the Eastern Orthodox Church since the Pope excommunicated himself from canonical union. There are the “official” seven Mysteries of the ancient historical Church which is certainly true, but Orthodoxy is not limited to just those seven.

    It should be quite clear that the real issue with trying to delineate the similarities and the differences between the Orthodox and Roman Churches is that both have very different understandings of common inherited Christian terms while maintaining somewhat similar external appearances. It may seem that there are many things that these two Churches have in common externally, but there is in reality very little in common when one looks beyond these external appearances.

    At the heart of the difference between these so-called “two sides of Christendom” is an inherently different paradigm, which affects nearly everything that has to do with Christianity in general. The meanings behind the expressions of each of these traditions; most often couched in the same theological terms with completely different meanings has caused much confusion.

    Apart from any of the theological reasons as to the validity or not of the filioque clause; the point here, is that the Church of Rome it took upon themselves without any consultation or approval from the rest of the Ecumenical Church this addition to the common Christian creed, and the West rapidly went its own way. Therefore, it should not be surprising that the “two-sides” of Christendom have completely different understandings of each of the very terms in the Nicea-Constantinople Creed concerning the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    The Romanists interpret these terms primarily with an external organizational emphasis, while the Orthodox interprets them according to the mystery of unity in Christ. If there are two different paradigms and different definitions then how can there be “agreement”?

    And your leaps of logic are amazing, jumping right from a post about Orthodox baptism compared to that of the Catholic one right into the papal “Consecration of Russia”.

    In reference to your other post, as far as PM Putin and Pres. Medvedev go as political figures of state and temporal government affairs, they are sons of the Orthodox Church, obedient to Tradition and the hierarchy and do not interfere or meddle in canonical and ecclesiastical affairs or Church discipline.

    As you may or may not know, Orthodoxy does not accept Catholics, Anglicans and Protestants as communicants for the Eucharist and the other Holy Mysteries. Visitors and friends of the local parish are usually offered after liturgy is over the blessing of “fellowship bread” they can share in.

    The fact still remains that Christians from other denominations must convert in order to receive Orthodox sacraments. About the only thing that may be accepted by an Orthodox bishop under conditions of “acrivia” and “economia” within his discretion is a Trinitarian baptism under certain limited conditions, with “altar calls”, being baptized in the ocean only in the name of Jesus, or ‘drunk in the Spirit’ not considered at all.

    The Church has two modes of governing and correcting, namely, acrivia = precision or rigorism in canonical and disciplinary matters, and economia = concession or dispensation for the sake of pastoral matters with a heart towards the curative, not the punitive. Moreover, the Orthodox believer cannot worship with others or receive sacraments in congregations that are out of communion with the Orthodox Church.

  190. charlie January 6, 2010 @ 8:11 am

    Re: th Nicean creed

    “The Romanists interpret these terms primarily with an external organizational emphasis”

    What is that supposed to mean?

    This ridiculous assertion by the Orthodox Church that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father but does not proceed from the Son - which assertion does not agree with the rest of the Nicean Creed -”equally with the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified” has everything to do with tradition per se in my view and nothing to do with dogma.

  191. charlie January 6, 2010 @ 8:44 am

    Prodigal son

    “The quote you provided from the book of Joel was fulfilled at Pentecost (Peter clearly says so, does he not?) and is also fulfilled to this day through Chrismation in His Church.”

    No it was not fulfilled at Pentecost. Peter does not clearly say so. It was begun at Pentecost.
    Thats what he is saying.

    How does 3000 people constitute all flesh?

    How does the time of Christ equate to the last days?

  192. Michael Korn January 6, 2010 @ 9:17 am

    jgalindes
    January 4, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

    You wrote:

    I do not understand this remark of yours, Sir:

    “It also is very sad to realize that modern Jewry today embraces none of the values of the main Jewish factions that opposed Jesus in His own day. Modern Jews have rejected Pharisaism (i.e., ultra-Orthodox rabbinism) and priestly ritual sacrifice. Some Jews today do embrace values of the Sadducean elites who opposed the social justice message of Jesus.”

    What were the positive values of Pharisaism back during Jesus days?

    Good questions. I had miswritten the paragraph. What I meant to say was that it is sad that even though “modern Jewry today embraces none of the values of the main Jewish factions that opposed Jesus in His own day” they still oppose Jesus Christ.

    Here is a better wording of it:

    The tragedy, from my point of view, is that Jews today continue to oppose Jesus even though they hold almost none of the religious convictions of the original Jewish factions that conspired against Jesus so long ago. Their opposition to Jesus appears to be due simply to their ignorance of Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments, as well as to both mental and moral laziness and cultural obstacles to embracing the Gospel of Christ.

    Elsewhere I have written that the Orthodox Jews who know Scripture tend to hate Jesus out of misplaced zeal arising from their embracing the Pharisaic Oral Law, while those who are ignorant of Scripture (i.e. secular Jews around the world) tend to regard Jesus as irrelevant, much as a pagan might.

    Nevertheless both these classes of Jews have consciences that are restless and efforts should continue to reach them with the Gospel of Salvation and followed up with prayer that the Holy Spirit convict them of their essential sinfulness and their desperate need for Christ.

  193. Michael Korn January 6, 2010 @ 9:19 am

    EXTENT TO WHICH THE GENERAL JEWISH POPULATION OF PALESTINE SUPPORTED JESUS

    William Barclay includes a very interesting quote from an apocryphal source that he believes probably contains an important kernel of truth about the extent to which the general Jewish population of Palestine 2000 years ago supported Jesus:

    In the apocryphal Acts of Pilate there exists what purports to be a report by Pilate to the central government at Rome on the trial and execution of Jesus.

    There befell of late a matter of which I myself made trial; for the Jews through envy have punished themselves and their posterity with fearful judgments of their own fault; for whereas their fathers had promised that their God would send out of heaven his holy one who should of right be called their king, and did promise that he would send him upon earth by a virgin.

    He, then, came when I was governor of Judaea, and they beheld him enlightening the blind, cleansing the lepers, healing the palsied, driving devils out of men, raising the dead, rebuking the winds, walking upon the waves of the sea dry-shod, and doing many other wonders, and all the people of the Jews calling him the Son of God: the chief priests, therefore, moved with envy against him, took him and delivered him unto me and brought against him one false accusation after another, saying that he was a sorcerer and did things contrary to their law.

    But I, believing that these things were so, having scourged him, delivered him unto their will; and they crucified him, and when he was buried they set guards upon him. But while my soldiers watched him he rose again on the third day; yet so much was the malice of the Jews kindled that they gave money to the soldiers, saying:

    Say ye that his disciples stole away his body. But they, though they took the money, were not able to keep silence concerning that which had come to pass, for they also have testified that they saw him arisen and that they received money from the Jews. And these things have I reported unto they mightiness for this cause, lest some other should lie unto thee, and thou shouldest deem right to believe the false tales of the Jews. [M.R. James, The Apocryphal New Testament, p. 146]

    [Note from MPK: We see from this section that the vast bulk of Jews in ancient Palestine accepted Jesus as a prophet and even as Son of God! Later in the above quote the term “Jews” is used to describe specifically those who actively opposed Jesus and sought to destroy Him.]

    …. There is little doubt that Pilate was blackmailed into giving the Jews their way with Jesus. He was afraid that the Jews would report him for this past misdeeds, as one day the Samaritans were to do, and that he would thus lose his post.

    [Note from MPK: Barclay has explained in the intervening pages Pilate’s sorry record as governor of Judea and his long train of abuses against the religious sensitivities of his Jewish subjects.]

    Pilate’s past rose up before him in the greatest moment of decision in his life. Pilate had to choose between losing his post and abandoning Jesus to the fury of the mob without even a pretence of justice. And Pilate chose to keep his post and to allow Jesus to be murdered.

    All through his trial, certain unmistakable things stand out about Jesus.

    From the purely human point of view, the most amazing fact of all is his complete absence of resentment. First from the Jews and then from Pilate he received nothing but the most glaring and intolerable injustice. The laws of his own countrymen and the laws of the Romans were deliberately abrogated to compass his death.

    In neither court was there even a pretence of justice. Almost anyone else in this world would have bitterly resented such injustice, and would have uttered his resentment in no uncertain terms. Jesus is the supreme example of serenity in the face of injustice.

    One of the most extraordinary features of the trial of Jesus is that nowhere in it does he seem to be on trial. At all times he is in control of the situation. In the whole collection of characters there, Jesus alone is in control of himself and the situation. The Jews and their leaders are more than half-crazed with hate; there is in them that which sets a mob on a lynching expedition. Their emotions are out of control.

    Pilate is the very picture of frustration, like an animal caught in a trap, twisting and turning and quite unable to find any way of escape. Never was any governor less capable of governing, or any ruler more tragically helpless. Alone amidst all the wild, unbalanced hatred and the helpless frustration, Jesus stands serene and calm and in control both of the situation and of himself. The last thing that Jesus ever appears to be is on his defense; rather it is he who stands in judgment.

    It is clear that all through the trial Jesus never thought of himself as a victim. There are certain Johannine sayings which, whether they are to be taken as literal and verbatim or not, quite certainly reflect and contain the mind of Jesus. Even before the trial Jesus had said: ‘I lay down my life, that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord’ (John 10.17f.).

    In this situation Jesus still saw the guiding hand of God. When Pilate sought to remind him that his life was in his hands, Jesus reminded Pilate that he could have possessed no power at all, unless it had been given to him (John 19.10f.). Even amidst that heart-breaking injustice, it was still the conviction of Jesus that he was not the victim of men but the chosen instrument and Servant of God.

    The happenings of the last days and hours were to Jesus, not fragments in a set of circumstances which were out of control, but events in a drama, whose course and whose culmination were in the hands of God.

    [From The Mind of Jesus, by William Barclay, New York: Harper and Row, 1961, chapter 25, pp. 232-233, 237-238]

  194. Michael Korn January 6, 2010 @ 9:41 am

    Fr. Joseph,

    You write: Lots and lots and lots MORE things I simply cannot EXPLAIN TO YOU, my dear Michael Korn.

    I did not ask you to explain 9-11 and other secular scandals and abuses.

    Just the lies of historical revisionisim emanating from within your RCC church!

    When I wrote to Ave Maria they blocked my emails from the university server. When I wrote to the Hoover Institute, where Dallin is holed up, they did the same. When I wrote to Raymond Arroyo of EWTN Catholc TV, who regularly hosts “rabbi” Dallin, he never replied.

    In truth, I would seek to join the RCC were it not for two things:

    1. Their adoption of historic revisionism (formerly a tactic of the USSR) to wipe away the clear record of Papal opposition to Zionism.

    2. Their endorsement of Darwinianism that makes the Creationist claims of the Bible a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

  195. Fr. Joseph January 6, 2010 @ 9:42 am

    Dear M. KathJuliane,

    Well THANK YOU for telling me straight to my face that my Masses, the offering up of the BODY AND BLOOD of our Lord Jesus Christ to THE FATHER, is a futile, utterly absurd, entirely ineffacious, useless, trivial and “UNACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD” Catholic liturgical practice!

    And THANK Y0U for infallibly informing the entire World that the SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM in the Catholic Church is ‘Null and Void’.

    And THANK YOU for infallibly informing the entire World that it is an entirely USELESS thing for people to go CONFESS THEIR SINS to Catholic Priests.

    And THANK YOU for informing the rest of the World that all the Orthodox throughout the world are all simultaneously 1) infallible and 2) impeccible.

    And THANK YOU for informing the rest of the World that the Orthodox Church’s “government” denounces the Athansian Creed wherein everyone in entire World can read for themselves:

    “…neither cofounding the Persons NOR DIVIDING THE SUBSTANCE…”

    The Athanasian Creed
    http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athansian.creed.html

    And with regards to the ‘filioque’ phrase by which the Bishop of Rome “excommunicated” himself in your ‘group infallible spirit’ viewpoint, since it DOES NOT matter to you that asserting the Holy Spirit proceeds from THE FATHER ALONE tears up and throws out the window the Athansian Creed - it doesn’t matter what GOD INCARNATE Himself had to say about ‘the procession of God the Holy Spirit’ either!

    Filioque
    http://www.americancatholicpress.org/Father_%Gilligan_Filioque_clause_page1.html

    It is blatantly and overtly obvious that your Orthodox Church has NO INTENTION WHATSOEVER of ever seeking union and reconciliation with the Western Church!

    And we ALL go up in thermonuclear mushroom clouds because of your ‘group infallible consciousness’ in which God is PREVENTED FROM telling His Church here on earth WHAT TO DO in order to defeat Satan and his unseen demonic elementals and his seen global network of human dupes, stooges and allies.

    Some ‘group infallible spirit’ you have over their in and amongst the ‘Eastern Church’!

    - Fr. Joseph

  196. Michael Korn January 6, 2010 @ 10:00 am

    Dear Prodigal Son:

    you write:

    Re: your post on Dec 31 @ 12:26, you said, “Also the priests and Levites would have been careful not to marry in with Edomites.”

    According to Josephus, it was the Edomite Herods who ruthlessly ended the Judahite Maccabean (NOT the ‘Jewish’ Maccabean) ‘dynasty’ AND its Hasmonean high priestly family; it was the Herods who appointed the high priests (including Caiaphas and Annas) - and TOOK OVER the government of the Judeans, finally lining up with Titus in the siege of Jerusalem.

    Yes, I take your point. The Maccabean Hashmonean priests intermarried with Edomites of their own volition and created the Herodian abomination.

  197. Fr. Joseph January 6, 2010 @ 10:16 am

    From the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH’S Divine Liturgy of ST. JOHN CHYSOSTOM - excerpts from the

    ‘Prayer of THE PEOPLE’

    “For PEACE from on High, and for the SALVATION OF SOULS, let us pray to THE LORD.

    “LORD HAVE MERCY!”

    (Apparently, the Orthodox here on RZN do NOT WANT PEACE nor are they interested in the SALVATION OF SOULS throughout our entire God-given World. If you aren’t Orthoodox, you DON’T DESERVE or WARRANT God’s Peace nor God’s Salvation!)

    “For the PEACE of the WHOLE WORLD, for the stability of the Churches of God, and FOR THE UNION OF THEM ALL, let us pray to THE LORD.

    “LORD HAVE MERCY!”

    (Apparently, the Orthodox here on RZN do NOT want WORLD PEACE, nor do they want to see THE UNION of all the Churches of God, which the Most Holy Theotokos HERSELF said she would obtain for our World and for her Son’s Church by HER intercession for ALL OF US to her Divine Spouse, God the HOLY SPIRIT!)

    “For DELIVERANCE FROM all (Jewish-Zionist-Talmudic-Kabbalah instigated) AFFLICTION, WRATH and NEED, let us pray to THE LORD.

    “LORD HAVE MERCY!”

    Since the Fullness of Omniscience and Omnipotence resides in and rests up the hierarchy and laity of the Orthodox Church who have a ‘group in infallibility’, there is no longer ANY NEED for the ‘The Prayer of THE PEOPLE’ here all across our planet earth of 2010 Anno Domini!

    This ‘omnipotent’ and ‘omniscient’ spirit of ‘group infallibility’ is seeing to it that their ‘group divine will’ is done HERE ON EARTH.

    God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit just “might” have something TO SAY about that!

    And to keep KathJuliane and ALL of the Orthodox here happy and content, I sign off as

    ‘F. JOSEPH’
    here at my
    ‘Nazareth Hermitage’

  198. Michael Korn January 6, 2010 @ 10:27 am

    re: http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=472#comment-51973

    ” Z. Easy going Catholics

    The correct answer according to Pope St Pius X is Z - “easing going Catholics who do not defend the Catholic faith”.

    Capt Joe Cortina is definitely not one of those.”

    Lynda,

    I thought the correct answer would be “All of the Above” : - )

    can you explain to me how Jews drink blood on Passover in your opinion?

    Anyway, as I said before, your very own RCC granted Jews a monopoly privilege on usurious banking and created the power block you cry about.

    Jews always have understood that it easy to conquer 1 billion people (eg Catholics) by corrupting and purchasing the loyalty of their leader (eg the various Popes).

  199. Michael Korn January 6, 2010 @ 10:30 am

    Lynda,

    This may be the punishment for giving obeisance to the Pope rather than to Jesus who speaks to you through your inner conscience.

    The west corrupted His message and therefore He allowed you to sell yourselves into slavery to the Jewish financial oligarchs of the Jew World Order.

    Here is a symbol you should appreciate:

    U$rael.

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  201. Fr. Joseph January 6, 2010 @ 11:48 am

    From the INVALID, non-SACRAMENTAL, entirely SUPERFICIAL (according to KathJuliane and all those who possess the ‘group INFALLIBLE spirit of the Orthodox Church) Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom of the BYZANTINE Catholic Church, the INVALID and APOSTATE/HERETICAL Bishops and Priests of the Catholic Church’s BYZANTINE Rite offer up this Prayer:

    “PRIEST: REMEMBERING our Most Holy, Most Pure, Most-Blessed and Glorious Lady, THE MOTHER OF GOD and EVER-VIRGIN MARY, with all of the Saints, let us commend ourselves and one another, and our whole life, TO CHRIST, our God.”

    “PEOPLE: To You, O Lord”

    So ‘The People’ willingly take it upon themselves in TRUE CHRISTIAN SPIRIT to the constant REMEMBERING of the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos, the Blessed Virgin Mary.”

    And ‘Why?’ do THE PEOPLE make it a point TO REMEMBER the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos, the Blessed Virgin Mary?

    The INVALID and entirely INEFFECTUAL and SUPERFICIAL Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom in the HERETICAL and APOSTATE Byzatine Rite of the Catholic Church answers THAT question:

    “PEOPLE: Cry out with joy to God ALL THE EARTH, O sing to the Glory of His Name, O render Him glorious praise.

    “THROUGH THE PRAYERS OF THE MOTHER OF GOD, O SAVIOR, SAVE US!”

    Read all of that for yourselves at:

    http://esoptron.umd.edu/ugc/liturgy1.html

    From the Western-Latin-Roman CHURCH, all of those from the Eastern Orthodox Church MIGHT LEARN something from the Prayer entitled the ‘Memorare’:

    “REMEMBER, O most gracious Virgin Mary,
    that NEVER was it known
    that ANYONE who fled to your protection,
    sought your HELP
    or sought your INTERCESSION
    was left unaided.

    “Inspired with this confidence,
    I fly to you, O Virgin of virgins,
    my Mother.
    To you I come, before you I stand,
    sinful and sorrowful;

    “O Mother of the Word Incarnate
    DESPISE NOT MY PETITIONS,
    but in your clemency hear me
    and answer me. Amen.” - from

    http://www.memorare.com/mary/memorare.html

    If the ‘group infallible spirit’ of KathJuliane and the rest of her Serbian Orthodox Church DO NOT need the Mother of God’s Prayers and Intercession - then there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER for the Patriarchs, the Metropolitans, the Bishops, the Abbots and the entire Clergy of the Orthodox Church to even BOTHER of including having TO REMEMBER the Mother of God!

    And hence, the Orthodox Church chooses TO IGNORE as well as TO FORGET that the Mother of God appeared in Fatima, Portugal back in 1917 A.D. OFFERING to grant both the Church and all of her children of Mankind WORLD PEACE in exchange for a simple public and world-wide Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart by THE BISHOPS of her Son’s Church Militant her on earth!

    Some ‘group infallible-impeccable spirit’ working in the ‘group consciousness’ there from KathJuliane’s neck-of-the-woods.

    - Fr. Joseph

  202. Fr. Joseph January 6, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

    Mea culpa!

    If you don’t know what that LATIN phrase is, here you all go:

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/mea-culpa.htm

    I am a MAN, made out of FLESH & BLOOD who only has a FINITE mind and a FINITE heart.
    I am NOT God nor am I capable of the same degree of Divine Patience that is His and His Alone!

    Our World is on the verge of a satanic inspired thermonuclear Third World War - and I have to have WOMEN denouncing my Catholic PRIESTLY EFFORTS to get our Human Race OUT OF this fine, global, interlocked SATANIC TRAP set for our Human Race.

    A Human Race for Whom JESUS, God Incarnate Himself DIED a most miserable Death-by-Crucifixion in order TO SAVE from Satan and TO REDEEM back into living the Most Blessed Life that our All-good and All-loving FATHER in Heaven originally Deigned for all of Mankind!

    So I ask ALL OF YOU here on RZN your forgiveness for NOT being Divine, but only being a single, solitary ordained Priest in the Church Militant’s Monastic Brotherhood.

    I do not perform nor can I cause SUPERNATURAL MIRACLES to happen anyways in our World of 2010 Anno Domini!

    But the MOTHER OF GOD need only ASK her Divine Spouse, God the Holy Spirit, TO CRUSH Satan’s head and MASSACRE the entire strength of God’s seen and unseen enemies here ON EARTH!

    And neither MY Catholic Church nor KathJuliane’s Orthodox Church want to CALL UP the WOMAN of Genesis 3:15, the WOMAN of Revelation 12:17 with a PUBLIC and SOLEMN Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her Immaculately Loving Heart per her 1917 A.D. Fatima, Portugal Apparitions and Instructions!

    And ATOP of that inner stress that is mine to bear 24/7/365/decade-in-decade out, I have WOMEN from the Orthdoox Church who wish TO PROMOTE the ancient Christian Church heresy of ARIANISM by asserting that God the Holy does NOT proceed from BOTH the Father and the Son…that the Western Latin Church’s “filioque” phrase is an APOSTASY from the One, True, Holy and Catholic Faith of OUR LORD’S APOSTLES!

    And to add to THAT, I have WOMEN from the Orthodox Church here doing everything in her powers to resurrect and promote the ancient Christian Church’s heresy of DONATISM by her telling my the SACRAMENTS of Christ’s Church that I’m ordained to minister to PEOPLE are INVALID and NULL AND VOID because I belong to the Catholic Church!

    So, my brothers and sisters, I ask for you TO FORGIVE ME of our very ‘un-Priestly’ outbreaks here on RZN.

    I think that I might really and truly have “HAD ENOUGH” of all of these ENEMIES wishing to UNDERMINE His Church and wishing to DESTROY our planet earth and our Human Race.

    - Fr. Joseph @
    ‘Nazareth Hermitage’ - USA

  203. The Prodigal Son January 6, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

    Merry CHRISTmas to everyone… all of the Old Calender Orthodox Christians out there ! (Today is Christmas according to the Julian calendar.)

    I encourage everyone to look at this page (you too Fr. Joseph) and to examine it with an honest heart. We here in the West have been misled and lied almost to from the very inception of our Nations… certainly TRUE Christianity in the West was already in ruins before I was even born.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church

    A qoute from that page which explains things quite succinctly:

    (’The Orthodox Church considers Jesus Christ to be the head of the Church and the Church to be His body.

    Thus, despite widely held popular belief outside the Eastern Orthodox cultures, there is not one bishop at the head of the Eastern Orthodox Church; references to the Patriarch of Constantinople as a leader equivalent or comparable to a pope in the Roman Catholic Church are mistaken.

    It is believed that authority and the grace of God is directly passed down to Eastern Orthodox bishops and clergy through the laying on of hands — a practice started by the apostles, and that this unbroken historical and physical link is an essential element of the true church (Acts 8:17, 1 Tim 4:14, Heb 6:2).

    However, the church asserts that, “Apostolic Succession also requires Apostolic Faith,” and bishops without Apostolic Faith, who are in heresy, forfeit their claim to Apostolic Succession.

    Each bishop has a territory (see) over which he governs. His main duty is to make sure the traditions and practices of the Church are preserved. Bishops are equal in authority and cannot interfere in the jurisdiction of another bishop.’)

  204. KathJuliane January 6, 2010 @ 8:06 pm

    Fr. Joseph, please pay very close attention this, and then answer these questions – Who unilaterally changed the Symbol of Faith of the Orthodox Church of the East and West about seven centuries after it was decreed by the Synods and finally Pope Leo III to be unchangeable up through the 9th century?

    Accusations of Donatist and Arian heresy against the Orthodox Church is silly considering it was the concillar and collegial Orthodox Church of the East and West that fought them to begin with.

    The phrase “and the son” (filioque in Latin) was first used in Toledo, Spain in 587 on a local, polemical, limited basis with a particular reason without the consultation or agreement of the of the other four patriarchs of the Church at that time and in direct violation of canons of the Third Ecumenical Council that prohibited unilateral alteration of the Creed by anything short of another Ecumenical Council.

    The purpose of its addition in Spain was polemical and to counter the Arian heresy that was local to that region. The practice spread then to France where it was repudiated at the regional Gentilly Council in 767.

    Emperor Charlemagne of Francia called for a council at Aix-la-Chapelle in 809 at which Orthodox Pope Leo III upholding the decrees of the First and Second Ecumenical Synods and all later reaffirmations of the later Ecumenical Synods as well as Gentilly forbade the use of the filioque clause or changing the Symbol of Faith and ordered that the Nicene Creed be engraved on silver tablets in Greek and Latin and placed them at the tomb of St. Peter so that his pronouncement not be overturned in the future.

    The filioque clause was officially added to the Roman Catholic version of the creed by the Second Council of Lyons in 1274 although it was first used in liturgy during the coronation of Holy Roman Emperor Henry II by Pope Benedict VIII in 1014 and spread throughout the West.

    The New Testament and the Nicene Creed are deeply bound to each other. The wording and the concepts in the Nicene Creed come directly from the New Testament—in fact, one of the most important debates at the Council of Nicea concerned whether it was proper to include a word in the Nicene Creed that does not occur in the New Testament.

    On the other hand, at the time that the Church issued the official canon of the New Testament, it customarily compared writings to the Nicene Creed to determine if they were orthodox. The Nicene Creed proceeds from the New Testament, and the New Testament is certified by the Nicene-Constantinople Creed which was the work of the Holy Spirit of Truth and the labors of the Ecumenical Synods and their decrees, and which was reaffirmed at all following Ecumenical Synods prior to 1054.

  205. KathJuliane January 7, 2010 @ 12:38 am

    Greetings in our Lord Jesus, Prodigal son –

    Christ is Born! Glorify Him!

    These links may help sort some things out in your own mind and ease some of your distress in terms of general canonical principles concerning Trinitarian baptisms within certain parameters in relation to Orthodoxy til you get it sorted out.

    http://www.holy-trinity.org/liturgics/tikhon.lit10.html

    http://orthodoxwiki.org/Baptism

    Ultimately it’s up to each bishop per Local Church canons how they may receive you to work out general and individual issues if it needs to go beyond the priest. As noted prior the bishop governs by both acrivia and economia, and isn’t rigidly legalistic, unmercifiul and inflexible, for that matter, neither is our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Have been where you are, and it feels like running on bare life support at times. Only rather the opposite happened to me when I was raised by my grandmother from the age of 7 after my parents divorce in the Episcopal Church. I wound up being confirmed by the bishop but not baptized by the priest due to rather bizarre circumstances I was later able to piece together from memories 14 years ago when I converted to Orthodoxy, even though I had a baptismal certificate.

    I could remember the confirmation mass, but not a baptism. It went to the bishop who decided that I needed to be baptized as well as chrismated, especially since the Episcopal bishop I was then under was later defrocked in the late 60’s after my confirmation for heresy and trafficking in the paranormal, paganism, and the occult.

    My Greek Orthodox father and my Presbyterian mother both agreed not to have me baptized as a baby as mom felt that decision could wait until I was 18 and could decide for myself. But, here’s the little kicker that turned up working through the baptismal issues and talking to my dad while he was still alive. It turns out my very old world Greek grandmother who used to take us to church all of the time had me and my baby brother secretly (from my parents) baptized by a Russian priest when I was about 2, but was unable to find any records in San Francisco for it.

    Our Lord Jesus works in mysterious ways, nor does He abandon His sheep or leave them orphans, especially in these strange times in our poor Christian America with its various disorders, handicaps and directions, but God is making use of this as well, because there is still a great love for Christ. “Is there still faith found in the land?”

    And it is so true, much of this happened before we were ever born, and so we must not be slack about our salvation, nourish the mustard seed we have, while at the same time having faith in the Lord’s divine forbearance and mercy.

    God bless you, Prodigal son

  206. The Prodigal Son January 7, 2010 @ 1:31 am

    Charlie,

    You wrote, “No it was not fulfilled at Pentecost. Peter does not clearly say so. It was begun at Pentecost.

    Thats what he is saying.

    How does 3000 people constitute all flesh?

    How does the time of Christ equate to the last days?”

    1) Yes, you’re right… the outpouring of the Holy Spirit began on Pentecost and this outpouring continues today - IN the Church founded bt Christ.

    2) Well ‘all flesh’ certainly doesn’t mean birds & fish as you intimated earlier ! The Church has been there for all flesh for 2 thousand years… but it’s up to us to first have the correct faith & join His Church, and receive the Holy Spirit from someone who has it. If they don’t have it - they can’t give it either !

    3) Well it was certainly the last days for Jerusalem and for the temple and for the Old Covenant itself. Would you argue that we are in the ‘last days’ now ? But I guess since Peter said:

    “For these are not drunk as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
    But this (tongues of fire, etc) IS what was spoken by the prophet Joel (…)”

    Then he told the people that after they repented & were baptized, THEY would receive the Holy Spirit. Which they DID… but ONLY AFTER doing what Peter told them. (And THESE are ‘The Keys’ to the Kingdom !)

    Both the ‘Petrine’ doctrine AND the filioque fallacy can easily be refuted by testimony from the Bible and from Christ Himself !

    1) Petrine leadership… see Acts 15:13-21

    “And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, ‘Men and brethren, listen to me:

    (…) Therfore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the nations who are turning to God. (…)’”
    - Acts 15:13,19

    This is a short passage from the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem… where - even though Peter is clearly present - James (who was first bishop of Jerusalem) PRESIDES (Also see Acts 12:17).

    And even IF Peter was the undisputed leader in the beginning… how does that primacy in honor transfer to Peter’s successor in Rome ? Peter was bishop of Antioch FIRST… so should not then the bishops of Antioch then ALSO be Peter’s successors ? Peter left a chair in Antioch too !

    The Rock is clearly Peter’s confession that Jesus is the Christ; the Son of the Living God, for the true Rock is Christ Himself (I Cor 10:4) and the Church is clearly built on the confession that Jesus is our Christ.

    2) The filioque… Jesus Christ teaches us:

    “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you FROM THE FATHER, the Spirit of Truth Who PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER, He will testify of Me.”

    Can’t make it much clearer than that ! Jesus said The Spirit proceeds FROM THE FATHER ! If He meant ‘Father AND The Son’ - He would have said, ‘from the Father AND I’ !

  207. The Prodigal Son January 7, 2010 @ 2:40 am

    Thank you KathJuliane !

  208. Dave January 7, 2010 @ 5:42 am

    “It is high time for white Americans to stand up to American Jewry, fight for their own interests, and confront Jewish hypocrisy.”

    Considering this interview is about Jew involvement in “black” causes why couldn’t
    the ending have said “It is high time for white and black Americans to stand up…”

  209. Fr. Joseph January 8, 2010 @ 6:15 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    Your rejoiner is entirely INSUFFICIENT.

    Thought about it for a while and I think that I, personally, am beginning to UNDERSTAND this ‘filioque’ problem all of you Orthodox have.

    In your Orthodox theology, which has this kinda/sorta rabid spirit of asserting you are CORRECT, the theologians of the Orthodox Churches entirely OVERLOOK and DISMISS the HYPOSTATIC UNION of God and Man in Christ Jesus coupled with the desire to NOT CONSIDER what ‘Eternity’ and ‘Eternal Being’ IS!

    So you go on and on about this OBSESSION with ‘Procession of the Holy Spirit’.

    Does the Orthodox Church really and truly believe that Christ Jesus is GOD Incarnate?

    Yes or no?

    Yet Christ Jesus Himself said ‘Why do you call ME ‘GOOD’. There is NO ONE GOOD but God alone!’

    Now don’t give me one of those Jackie Gleason-Ralph Cramden of ‘The HoneyMooners’

    “Haammina-haamina-haamina-hamina-hamina’ stammerings.

    Is Christ Jesus GOD INCARNATE while He Himself said ‘NO ONE IS GOOD BUT GOD ALONE!’

    And when Philip asks Christ Jesus Who Is God Incarnate to show him and them THE FATHER, Christ Jesus answers

    “Have I been with you ALL THIS TIME, Philip, and you still do not KNOW ME?”

    The Nicene Creed ASSERTS that we believe in the ONLY SON OF GOD - ONE ‘IN BEING’ WITH THE FATHER - THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.

    Now either THE SON is ‘ONE IN BEING’ WITH the Father Who Is Eternal or NOT!

    You Orthodox need to MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!

    Either there IS an Eternal Divine UNITY of Three Divine Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spriit - or NOT!

    Your Orthodox theologians, since the time of Photius, still exhibit an Arian PROBLEM with the Divine Nature of the Person of Jesus Christ!

    Jesus is ETERNALLY ONE with the Father.

    And Jesus Divine Revealed that ALL that the Father has IS His and ALL that HE has is the Father’s.

    And since God is SPIRIT - the Fullness of God the Holy Spirit that IS of the Father’s Being and Nature IS of the Son’s Being and Nature as well.

    - Fr. Joseph

  210. Fr. Joseph January 8, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    A momment of Grace granted to me to share with you in order to help you understand the Hypostatic Union of Divinity with Human Nature.

    Our human nature allows us the ability to gain, possess and really and truly utilize KNOWLEDGE within this Cause and Effect ‘All’ in which we all move, live and have our being.

    Now try to imagine a CHILD conceived in his or her mother’s womb who somehow is miraculously give total and absolutely knowledge of every manner of thing regarding the Science of MEDICINE.

    Once born, that CHILD sails through his or her schools - BUT - during his/her time in high school, college and university, that now GROWN CHILD obtains KNOWELDGE on and about the GAME OF FOOTBALL, and happens TO LOVE the Game of Football.

    Now that GROWN UP CHILD goes to sit in and with the crowd attending the Cotton Bowl Game or the Superbowl.

    That CHILD can converse with the people IN that crowd in a knowledgeable way about FOOTBALL - and while in the crowd is TOTALLY CAPABLE of giving ‘Medical Advise’ to those IN the Crowd of Football Fans.

    In Christ Jesus, we meet a Person Who has TWO Natures - one Divine - one fully Human.

    On account of those two natures - one fully Divine and one fully Human - CHRIST can ’speak to us’ ALL ABOUT every manner of thing regarding GOD and DIVINITY and DIVINE THINGS as well as every thing WE HUMAN BEINGS deal with in our daily lives day in and day out.

    Mull that over…PLEASE…!

    - Fr. Joseph

  211. The Prodigal Son January 8, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

    Father Joseph,

    Thanks for your reply…

    ‘The Holy Trinity is one God in three Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    These Persons are DISTINCT - but not separate, and are not three gods.

    They are one God because they are one in essence or nature.

    — — —

    The Father is the UN-begotten FOUNTAINHEAD of Deity.

    — — —

    The Son is eternally begotten of the Father. (John 1:18, 3:16, 16:28)

    — — —

    The Holy Spirit is the Helper (John 14:16), and Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, 16:13) - Who proceeds FROM THE FATHER (John 15:26).’

    — — —

    - From the Orthodox Study Bible

  212. Fr. Joseph January 8, 2010 @ 10:33 pm

    The Person of the SON and the Person of the Holy Spirit are CO-ETERNAL with the Father.

    If there was NO Son, there would be NO Holy Spirit.

    For the Holy Spirit TO BE, the SON must BE.

    One OBTAINS the Gifts and Grace of God the Holy Spirit from THE FATHER through THE SON.

    That is why JESUS CHRIST is OUR ‘HIGH PRIEST’ with God the Father.

    The FATHER sends us His Holy Spirit THROUGH the Son.

    Hence, for Human Salvation, the Holy Spirit PROCEEDS from the Father AND the Son.

    - Fr. Joseph

  213. The Prodigal Son January 8, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

    Ah, but Jesus Himself said:

    “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you FROM THE FATHER, the Spirit of Truth Who PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER, He will testify of Me.”

    Can’t make it much clearer than that ! Jesus said The Spirit proceeds FROM THE FATHER ! If He meant ‘Father AND The Son’ - He would have said, ‘from the Father AND I’…

  214. KathJuliane January 9, 2010 @ 2:10 am

    Dear Prodigal son –

    You wrote: “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you FROM THE FATHER, the Spirit of Truth Who PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER, He will testify of Me.”

    Here, let me fix it for you, hon.

    ἔλθῃ (comes): active voice of ἔρχομαι meaning “to come from one place to another (used of persons arriving), to appear, make one’s appearance, come before the public

    παράκλητος (Comforter, Parakletos): in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant. More specifically, one who pleads another’s cause before a judge, a pleader, defence counsellor, legal assistant, an advocate.

    πέμψω (send) : “to dispatch”, “to send”, “to thrust in”

    ἐκπορεύεται (ekporeuotai –“proceeds”): derived from ἐκ + πορεύμαι:

    ἐκ - preposition denoting origin as in “from”, or “out of”, the point from whence the motion or action proceeds

    πορεύμαι - “to traverse”, “to travel”

    Thus, the most important word of the passage, ἐκπορεύεται (”proceeds”) refers to the Holy Spirit’s origin. Since that origin is “from all eternity” (i.e. outside of time), it refers to the Holy Spirit’s eternal origin from the Father and not to the Holy Spirit’s being sent in time (temporal origin).

    Roman Catholicism admits ἐκπορεύεται refers only to the eternal origin of the Holy Spirit. It has acknowledged this in publications:

    “… the term εκπορευσις as distinct from the term “proceed” (προιναι) can only characterize a relationship of origin to the principle without principle of the Trinity: the Father.

    Source: L’Osservatore Romano, 20 September 1995,

    “The Greek and Latin Traditions Regarding the Procession of the Holy Spirit”

    Because of this recognition, Greek-speaking Roman Catholics do not use the Filioque when reciting the Creed.

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PCCUFILQ.HTM

    “The doctrine of the Filioque must be understood and presented by the Catholic Church in such a way that it cannot appear to contradict the Monarchy of the Father nor the fact that he is the sole origin (arch, aitia) of the ekporeusiV of the Spirit.

    The Filioque is, in fact, situated in a theological and linguistic context different from that of the affirmation of the sole monarchy of the Father, the one origin of the Son and of the Spirit.

    …Against Arianism, which was still virulent in the West, its purpose was to stress the fact that the Holy Spirit is of the same divine nature as the Son, without calling in question the one monarchy of the Father.” [Same link]

    “…Since the Latin Bible (the Vulgate and earlier Latin translations) had translated Jn 15:26 (para tou PatroV ekporeuetai) by “qui a Patre procedit”, the Latins translated the ek tou PatroV ekporeuomenon of the Symbol of Nicaea-Constantinople by “ex Patre procedentem” (Mansi VII, 112 B). In this way, a false equivalence was involuntarily created with regard to the eternal origin of the Spirit between the Oriental theology of the ekporeusiV and the Latin theology of the processio.

    “The Greek ekporeusiV signifies only the relationship of origin to the Father alone as the principle without principle of the Trinity. [It “only” expresses the very important dogmatic existential Eternal Origin of the Holy Spirit from the Father alone which is the foundation of the creedal statement in the unadulterated Symbol of Faith.] “The Latin processio, on the contrary, is a more common term, signifying the communication of the consubstantial divinity from the Father to the Son and from the Father, through and with the Son, to the Holy Spirit.3

    “In confessing the Holy Spirit “ex Patre procedentem”, the Latins, therefore, could only suppose an implicit Filioque which would later be made explicit in their liturgical version of the Symbol.” [John 15:26 is not about “consubstantiality” but about existential origin of the Holy Spirit. From sophist implicit to explicit. Rome has spoken.]

  215. charlie January 9, 2010 @ 2:29 am

    Fr Joseph its like trying to teach a dog to belly dance - give up already. He has no spiritual understanding - not that I do, but at least I understand and appreciate your beautiful and brilliant exegesis, which you’d be hard put to get anywhere else.

    You and Lynda have a profound understanding and ability to relate spiritual truths. You are truly gifted and blessed by God the Holy Spirit.

    May God continue to bless and annoint you both with the profound and precious truths of the Catholic faith.

  216. charlie January 9, 2010 @ 2:40 am

    As for Kathjulianne’s complicated diatribe - I think it contains at least one heresy and I’ll draw up short of calling it blasphemy - but only just.

    Again she misses the profound truth and insight of spiritual things in the confused babble of polemics.

  217. The Prodigal Son January 9, 2010 @ 3:55 am

    Dear KathJuliane,

    Thank you again ! It may be a little complicated - but it is also very interesting… getting right to the ROOT, you know ?

    You would think that the Greek Catholics would also be able to help the Roman Church to understand ! Honestly - who would know any better than the Greeks ?

    I was thinking, and it seems to me that the account of the Baptism of Jesus in the river Jordan demonstates things nicely:

    The Holy Spirit descends on Jesus from heaven - so the Holy Spirit HAD to have come FROM the Father… am I right ?

    I know that the ‘procession’ ultimately refers to the eternal origin of the Spirit… do you know of any instances in the Bible where the Holy Spirit is described as proceeding (in any manner) from Jesus (the Son) ?

    On another note - I have a specific question to you… if there is NO Orthodox Church in my area (there isn’t), what can I do ?

    I have to move don’t I ?

    — — —

    Charlie,

    You said, “Ad hominem, ad hominem.
    Hominem ad.”

    See what happens when you allow yourself to believe that a man cannot be wrong ?

  218. Fr. Joseph January 9, 2010 @ 5:04 am

    Prodigal Son,

    You asked KathJuliane,

    “…do you know of any instances in the Bible where the Holy Spirit is described as proceeding (in any manner) from Jesus (the Son).”

    Here you go:

    John 15:26 - John 16:7 - Acts 2:32-33 - Titus 3:5-6

    - Fr. Joseph

  219. Fr. Joseph January 9, 2010 @ 5:16 am

    Prodigal Son,

    Let me attempt one last time to put A HALT to this ’round and ’round and ’round endless arguments against and denouncement of ‘The Filioque Phrase’…

    From “Procession Within the Trinity”:

    “The Spirit CANNOT proceed ONLY from the Father, because the Spirit is the LOVE BETWEEN Father and the Son, NOT THE LOVE OF THE FATHER.” - find that sentence yourself here:

    http://www.catholicplanet.com/MHT/procession-Trinity.htm

    Hmmm…had a thought - let me attempt TO EXPLAIN the historical context and necessity of adding the ‘filioque’ phrase…

    - Fr. Joseph

  220. Fr. Joseph January 9, 2010 @ 5:37 am

    Prodigal Son,

    Long, long ago, prior to the Catholic-Orthodox Schism of 1054 A.D., there was this HERESY ravaging BOTH the Western and Eastern Church - it was called ARIANISM.

    Now long, long, very long ago, there was NO SUCH THING as telephones, radios, cellphones, fax machines or even an Internet.

    With those FACTS established in your mind as ‘True’, let us now consider Divine Providence at work in BOTH the Western and Eastern Churches being afflicted with the PRE-CATHOLIC-ORTHODOX SCHISM heresy of Arianism.

    If I live here in New Jersey and you live, let’s say, in California - and BOTH of our own personal homes are ON FIRE, do I call YOU up in California asking you what it is that I should do? And would you there in California call me up here in New Jersey in order to ask me what to do?

    My word, my dear man, the IMMEDIATE THING that simple human reasoning calls BOTH of us to do is - PUT OUT THE FIRE!

    The Eastern Church ADDED into their Liturgies the three distinct NEW WORDS

    ‘CHRIST OUR GOD’

    in order TO COMBAT Arianism.

    The Western Church ADDED into the Nicene Creed “from the Father AND THE SON”

    in order TO COMBAT Arianism.

    The HERETICAL FIRES OF ARIANISM where thus extinguished within BOTH the Western Church and the Eastern Church.

    And some Eastern Empire Emporer’s personally selected and elevated theologian DID NOT HAPPEN TO LIKE HOW the Western Church put out THE FIRE of Arianism in the Western Church.

    That’s all that there really and truly is to the REASON FOR the Catholic-Orthodox Schism of 1054 A.D.

    “Theological EGOS” and “Ecclesiastical Turf Wars”

    I don’t know why the Orthodox the world over simply ADMIT that was the FACT for the 1054 A.D. Schism.

    - Fr. Joseph

  221. Fr. Joseph January 9, 2010 @ 8:24 am

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    “…Who PROCEEDS from the Father AND THE SON…”

    ‘The Bible’…

    “Still, I (JESUS) must tell you the (Divine) Truth;
    it is for your own good that I (JESUS) am going,
    because unless I go,
    the Advocate (the HOLY SPIRIT)
    will not come to you;
    but if I (JESUS) go,
    I (JESUS) WILL SEND HIM (THE HOLY SPIRIT) TO YOU.” - The Gospel according to St. John - John 16:7-8

    “But when the (HOLY) SPIRIT comes
    He (the HOLY SPIRIT) will lead you
    to the complete (Divine) Truth,
    since He (the HOLY SPIRIT)
    will not be speaking as from Himself
    but will say only what He has learnt;
    and He (the HOLY SPIRIT)
    will tell you of the things to come.
    He (the HOLY SPIRIT)
    will glorify Me (JESUS)
    since all He (the HOLY SPIRIT) tells you
    will be taken from what IS MINE (JESUS’)
    Everything the Father HAS IS MINE (JESUS’)
    that is why I (JESUS) said:
    “All He (the HOLY SPIRIT) tell you
    will be taken from what IS MINE (JESUS’).”
    - The Gospel according to St. John - John 16:13-15

    “Father, may they be one is US,
    as You are IN Me
    and I am in You.” - John 17:21-

    Thus, from these few brief passages of Sacred Christian Scripture inspired BY the HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF to be written down for all generations of Mankind so that all of Mankind might come to KNOW GOD, we can properly declare in the Creeds of the Church here on earth and all over the earth that THE HOLY SPIRIT

    “…PROCEEDS from the Father AND the Son.”

    - Fr. Joseph

  222. Fr. Joseph January 9, 2010 @ 8:35 am

    Dear Prodigal Son,

    To assert that God the Holy Spirit proceeds ONLY from God the Father is TO DENY the Divinity and Divine Nature of God the Son.

    Arianism DENIED that Jesus was God Incarnate.

    The Eastern Church AFFIRMED and AFFIRMS that Jesus Christ IS God, IS Divinity Incarnate and that Jesus Christ POSSESSES the Divine Nature by INCLUDING the regularly occuring RESPONSE by both the Clergy and the Laity:

    ‘CHRIST OUR GOD’

    The Western Church AFFIRMED and AFFIRMS that Jesus Christ IS God, IS Divinity Incarnate and that Jesus Christ POSSESSES the Divine Nature by INCLUDING the phrase

    “Who proceeds from the (Divine) Father AND THE (DIVINE) SON”

    “As THE (DIVINE) Father sent Me,
    so am I (JESUS CHRIST) sending you.
    After saying this He (JESUS CHRIST)
    breathed on them and said:

    “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT…” - John 20:21-22

    WHO spoke the words ‘RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT’? What is God the Father OR was it God the Son?

    If THE FATHER sent His Son into our World with the HOLY SPIRIT and His Son now sends mortal men into the World with the words ‘RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT’ - the Gift of God the Holy Spirit comes into and onto our Human Race by BOTH God the Father AND God the Son!

    “…Who PROCEEDS from the Father AND THE SON…”

    - Fr. Joseph

  223. The Prodigal Son January 9, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

    Fr. Joseph,

    I thank you again for your reply. I understand now much better WHY the Roman church ADDED the Filioque…

    But - I also now understand better - WHY the Roman church SHOULD NOT have added the Filioque; changing the very Creed of Christianity on their own the way they did.

    You have stated, “The Eastern Church ADDED into their Liturgies the three distinct NEW WORDS

    ‘CHRIST OUR GOD’

    in order TO COMBAT Arianism.”

    And you have admitted, “The Western Church ADDED into the Nicene Creed “from the Father AND THE SON”

    in order TO COMBAT Arianism.

    The HERETICAL FIRES OF ARIANISM where thus extinguished within BOTH the Western Church and the Eastern Church.”

    The Eastern Church extinguished Arianism - as you say… AND they did it WITHOUT having to disastrously and erroneously change the Creed.

    The change made by the Eastern Church IS ALSO entirely consistent with the full testimony of Scripture, while the Filioque is not - and in fact contradicts Jesus Himself !

    Why don’t you get a Greek Catholic to explain it to you ? They obviously understand this - because they DO NOT USE THE FILIOUQE… maybe they can explain it to you in a different way that will make more sense to you.

    The Orthodox have proven that Arianism could be quashed WITHOUT altering the Creed (which they KNEW they COULD NOT properly change short of another ecumenical council)… so the Western addition was entirely un-neccessary.

    Now that you know what you know - why can’t the Romans Catholics UN-DO the UN-NECCESSARY and IN-ACCURATE addition to the Creed, and simply ALSO add the words ‘Christ our God’ to your own Liturgy ?

    What you (Catholics) MEANT to say when you added to the Creed… is not what the final product communicates - but something more: the ETERNAL origin of the Holy Spirit ALSO PROCEEDING from Christ - contrary to Christ’s own words !

    Clearly what they MEANT to say when they changed the Creed - was:

    * ‘(…) And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Life-Giver, Who proceeds from the Father AND IS RECIEVED THROUGH THE SON, (…)’ *

    You gave the example: “(…) Still, I (JESUS) must tell you the (Divine) Truth;
    it is for your own good that I (JESUS) am going,
    because unless I go,
    the Advocate (the HOLY SPIRIT)
    will not come to you;
    but if I (JESUS) go,
    I (JESUS) WILL SEND HIM (THE HOLY SPIRIT) TO YOU.”
    - The Gospel according to St. John - John 16:7-8

    But that is the same account of the SAME promise that the Holy Spirit will come to us as Helper…

    Thus - this is the same upcoming event described in John 15:26, AND JESUS CLEARLY SAYS, “(…) Who proceeds FROM THE FATHER” !

    Your example from Acts 2:32, 33 also SPECIFICALLY says, “from the Father” !

    Titus 3:5, 6 agrees with the wording I used in my fictitious example of the Creed above !(*)

    “(…) the Holy Spirit, Whom + HE + (the Father) poured out on us abundantly THROUGH Jesus Christ our Saviour,”

    Jesus and the Father are ONE… -BUT- the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father - THROUGH the Son… but not FROM the Son.

  224. Fr. Joseph January 9, 2010 @ 5:58 pm

    Prodigal Son,

    ONE MORE TIME….

    Does the Holy Spirit proceed ONLY from the Father???

    What is your Orthodox problem??

    I give you sound Sacred Scriptural references containing the Son of God’s Own Words, I give you merely historical reasons, I AFFIRM that the Bishops of the Church are granted the authority and the Grace TO DEFEND the Church’s Faith…

    …and you STILL INSIST that the Holy Spirit proceeds from THE FATHER ALONE! Or do you? Since your yourself ASSERT…

    “Jesus and the Father are ONE…- BUT - the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father - THROUGH the Son…but not FROM the Son.”

    So you DO AFFIRM that the Holy Spirit does NOT proceed ONLY from the Father and the Father ALONE!

    Well then…make you your mind! If the Holy Spirit does NOT proceed ONLY from Father and the Father ALONE, then it is NOT a heresy, it is NOT ‘apostasy’ to affirm that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son!

    Where, o please tell me WHERE, you find the statement ‘FROM THE SON’ in the filioque phrase of the Nicene Creed? Where???

    ‘We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver or Life, Who proceeds from the Father AND the Son…”

    Do you understand the difference in the meaning of the words ‘FROM’ and ‘AND’?

    And I’ve given you about the most clear and concise on-line reference I can find with regarding to ‘Filioque’ here:

    http://www.americancatholicpress.org/Father_%20Gilligan_Filioque_clause_page1.html

    From where you yourself can READ and go away to mull over and consider in your own privacy at your own pace..

    “As Johannes Grobe has pointed out, a regional Council in Persia in 410 introduced one of the earliest forms of ‘filioque’ in the Creed; the Council specified that the Spirit proceeded from the Father ‘AND from the Son’. Coming from the rich theology of early EAST Syrian Christianity expression in this context is AUTHENTICALLY EASTERN. Therefore, the ‘filioque’ CANNOT BE ATTRIBUTED SOLELY WESTERN INNOVATION, NOR AS SOMETHING CREATED BY THE POPE.”

    Now the CREEDS of the Church - the Apostolic, Nicene and Athansian - are the fundamental CATECHISM LESSONS taught to those who are wish to entire the Life of Christ in the Church.

    The WORDS of the Creeds DO NOT impart Divine Graces from on High onto/into a person’s mind, heart, soul and spirit.

    Those Divine Graces from on High are imparted and infused into a person’s mind, heart, soul and spirit by submitting to and participating in the SACRAMENTS of Christ’s Church.

    So KathJuliane promotes DONATISM by asserting that the Sacraments of Christ’s Church are NULL AND VOID on account of the ‘filioque’ phrase! The BIG ‘SIN’ of the Western Church being her asserting and affirming that the Holy Spirit proceeds NOT from the FATHER ALONE…but that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son!

    Now lookie here - personal or communal spiritual SNOBBERY does not entail SALVATION. SALVATION from the interlocking morass and swamp of mere HUMAN MYTHS and HUMAN CONVENTIONS of this ‘World’ consists in obtaining the Divine Grace of God the Holy Spirit Who Himself imparts, infuses and promises what the EASTERN Church calls ‘theosis’ - and you will NOT find the word ‘theosis’ in the Nicene Creed.

    You WILL find in the Nicene Creed

    “We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    AND THE LIFE OF THE WORLD TO COME. AMEN.”

    The words of the Nicene Creed DO NOT impart God the Holy Spirit’s Divine Graces. The words of the Nicene Creed are there TO INFORM people that GOD - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - took it upon Themselves to bring ETERNAL LIFE and ETERNAL SALVATION to human beings the World over.

    And THAT is the Divine Mission of THE CHURCH here on earth. THAT is the Divine Mission entrusted with the expectations of being carried out by our Lord to the BISHOPS of His Church here on earth.

    And the members of the Lay Faithful are likewise charged TO ASSIST their Bishops and the Lord Most High TO DO precisely that as well.

    Now if you and KathJuliane wanna play ‘Lets Tear Up Church Unity’ DESPITE that the Bishops of the Church down through the centuries tried over and over and over again to MAINTAIN as the Divine Mission of the Lord’s Church here on earth - that is your business - that is KathJuliane’s business - and I can’t stop either of you on account of the spiritual faculty of FREE WILL that your Father in Heaven has given to both you and KathJuliane.

    But it is MY ‘mission’ to keep on going on and on and on TRYING to get people to UNDERSTAND what Christ Jesus desires FOR them, for their families, and for this entire World for whom He DIED on His Cross!

    - Fr. Joseph

  225. KathJuliane January 9, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

    “For the Holy Spirit TO BE, the SON must BE”.

    The Son is the first cause of the Holy Spirit and not the Father? What happened to both the Father and the Son being the “diarchy” of the procession of the Holy Spirit as the filioque states?

    In order for the Holy Spirit to be, the Father must be. In order for the Son to be, the Father must be, and each are co-eternal, one in (super)essential Divine nature (“consubstantial”) and undivided from the unoriginate eternal Father having their respective origins in the Father and coming respectively from Him.

    One essence in three persons. God is one and God is three: the Holy Trinity is a mystery of unity in diversity, and of diversity in unity.

    Father, Son, and Spirit are ‘one in essence’ (homoousios), yet each is distinguished from the other two by personal characteristics. ‘The divine is indivisible in its divisions (Gregory of Nazianzus, Orations, 31, 14). for the persons are ‘united yet not confused, distinct yet not divided’ (John of Damascus, On the Orthodox Faith, 1, 8 (P.G. 94, 809A)); ‘both the distinction and the union alike are paradoxical’ (Gregory of Nazianzus, Orations, 25, 17).

    Even the Carolingian version of the Nicene Creed with the filioque added reflects that each the Son (“begotten”) and the Holy Spirit (“proceeds”) originate and come from the Father although the filioque confuses things because now by saying “the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son”, it is like saying “the Holy Spirit” is “begotten-proceeds” from the Father and the Son, and so there is confusion of personal charateristics of each Person.

    As the previous post with the quotes from L’Osservatore Romano, 20 September 1995, the official organ of the Curia, entirely admits to this ambiguity, confusion and long-standing “false equivalence” inherent in the filioque.

    “…Since the Latin Bible (the Vulgate and earlier Latin translations) had translated Jn 15:26 (para tou PatroV ekporeuetai) by “qui a Patre procedit”, the Latins translated the ek tou PatroV ekporeuomenon of the Symbol of Nicaea-Constantinople by “ex Patre procedentem” (Mansi VII, 112 B).

    “In this way, a false equivalence [of the Carolingian Creed, to be historically accurate] was involuntarily [sic…despite the fact that the filioque was repeatedly challenged and overturned in the West by councils and popes until Charlemagne decreed it] created with regard to the eternal origin of the Spirit between the Oriental theology of the ekporeusiV and the Latin theology of the processio.”

    [It actually should say “Roman Orthodox theology of the First and Second Ecumenical Synods of the East and West, at which the Church of Rome was present or represented and gave voice to the Synods’ Horos, or decrees. As a matter of fact, Constantine sent out over 1,000 requests to the bishops of the West, and 800 or more in the East to attend the first synod at Nicea. In fact, as said before East and West may be using the same or similar words, but as pointed out above, the theologies of East and West are worlds apart.]

    The eternally self-existing Holy Trinity of Persons in God was REVEALED in the New Testament in the coming of the Son of God and in the sending down of the Holy Spirit. The sending to earth by the Father of God the Word and the Holy Spirit constitutes the content of all the New Testament writings.

    Of course, this manifestation to the world of the Triune God is given in the NT not in a dogmatic formula, but in an account of the manifestations and deeds of the Divine Persons of the Holy Trinity as witnessed and experienced by the authors.

    The full manifestation of God in Trinity was accomplished at the Baptism of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is why this Baptism itself is called the “Theophany” or “manifestation of God”.

    Even if this Theophany had not occurred in time, that is if the Trinity had remained partially veiled, as in OT times, or never revealed, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit would still be co-eternally existent within the Holy Trinity.

    “One OBTAINS the Gifts and Grace of God the Holy Spirit from THE FATHER through THE SON.”

    This is correct in that the Person of the Son in His High Priest capacity as Intercessor, Mediator, and Advocate standing before the Person of the Father “dispatches” or “sends” the Person of the Holy Spirit from the Father, in Whom the Person of the Holy Spirit has His sole origin and “proceeds”, “travels”, “transits” from, being of course, one essence with the Father, as is the Son.

    The Son is not the existential origin of the Holy Spirit, the Father is. You’ve just said it – we obtain the gift of the Person of the Holy Spirit and His gifts from the Person of the Father, not the Son from Himself. If the Son obtains the Holy Spirit from the Father, then the origin of the Holy Spirit is the Father.

    That is why JESUS CHRIST is OUR ‘HIGH PRIEST’ with God the Father.

    And what does this have to do with the existential origin of the Holy Spirit? If the Son is our High Priest before the Father then the origin of the Holy Spirit is the Father, Who is then “sent” into the world by the Son.

    “The FATHER sends us His Holy Spirit THROUGH the Son.”

    “Through” even in common English usage is not synonymous with “proceeds from”. “Through” does not mean “origin proceeded from”. I “proceed from” point A, “proceed through” point B, and “proceed to arrive” at destination point C.” “Through” does not mean “origin”.

    “Through” describes a transitive process, a channel, as in “to get something done, I must go through my boss.”

    “Hence, for Human Salvation, the Holy Spirit PROCEEDS from the Father AND the Son.”

    The Holy Spirit “proceeds from” the arche of the Father as point of origin, and the Holy Spirit “proceeds through” the Son by virtue of the “channel” or “mediation” of His divine office as eternal High Priest Who “sends down” or “dispatches” the Holy Spirit, with the final destination of the Holy Spirit being the faithful.

  226. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 1:09 am

    What PEOPLE the World over have a ‘NEED TO KNOW’ and what PEOPLE the World over have a ‘NEED TO BELIEVE’ is not the Inner Constitution of the Divine Nature and Divine Life of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit!

    What PEOPLE the World over have a ‘NEED TO KNOW’ is that GOD loves them all so much and to the point that He is willing to ASSIST them in and with their lives, their life’s problems, by granting them THE DIVINE GRACES and the DIVINE HELP of God the Holy Spirit

    - Fr. Joseph

  227. charlie January 10, 2010 @ 2:28 am

    Actually I’m going back to the Bible on this one.

    If Christ said “the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father,” that’s what I believe.

    The Gospel is the words of life, and we shouldn’t tamper with it.

    Its not a matter of our defending the equality of the three divine persons, God is God, and not by our afirmation, but of our defending the Gospel.

    Not to say that what Fr Joseph said is not correct. But when it comes to the Divinity we have to admit we do not and cannot understand his essence and must therefore rely on the very words Christ gives us for our faith.

  228. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 9:01 am

    So we now ALL agree that NO Byzatine Emporer who takes it upon himself to DEPOSE of a Rome appointed Patriarch of Constantinople and have him replaced with his own personally desired Byzatine Court’s selection has ANY power to make the SACRAMENTS of the Western-Latin-Roman Church INVALID and NULL & VOID.

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

    So the Sacrament of Confirmation IS valid.

    The Sacrament of Confirmation of the Western-Latin-Roman Church DOES confer God the Holy Spirit’s Gifts and Graces onto CATHOLIC Christians of the Roman Rite, the Byzantine Rite, the Melkite Rite, the Malabar Rite, etc.

    And this HOLY SPIRIT has, down through the centuries worked on, worked with and worked throughout MANY Popes, Bishops, members of the Clergy, the Religious and the Laity OF the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    Once the ORTHODOX Church recognizes that God the Holy Spirit really and truly DOES work in, work with and work THROUGH the Catholic Church - then maybe, JUST PERHAPS, we can still SAVE the Church and all of Mankind and our planet earth from the machinations and evil conspiracies of SATAN, his legions of demonic elemental spirits and his human stooges, dupes and allies working in allied unison throughout our contemporary World of 2010 Anno Domini.

    - Fr. Joseph

  229. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 9:36 am

    So we ALL agree the LATIN phrase “qui ex Patre filioque procedit” does not and CANNOT make the Divine Sacrament of Confirmation INVALID and NULL & VOID.

    And “qui ex Patre filioque procedit” does not nor any power whatsover in suspending or mitigating God’s Holy Spirit at work in, work with or work thought the Catholic Church.

    And that is is ENTIRELY UNNECCESSARY for any and all human beings to have a complete, accurate, all-embracing personal or communal understanding of the Intimate Divine Life of the Blessed Trinity IN ORDER TO “grant” God the Holy Spirit the Divine Ability to OPERATE anywheres on our planet earth or in ANY socio-political-geographic jurisdictions carved out and deliniated by boundaries of any and all sorts BY mere human beings of the PAST, the PRESENT as well as the FUTURE.

    And that GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT is entirely in His Divine and Omnipotent ‘Rights’ and His Divine and Omnipotent ‘Abilities’ to make His Divine Manifestations present ANYWHERES in our contemporary World ANY OLD TIME He so Chooses and Desires, TO INCLUDE such places and such times as

    FATIMA, PORTUGAL - 1917 A.D.

    - Fr. Joseph

  230. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 9:58 am

    Now the BISHOPS of Christ Jesus’ Own Church here on earth administer the SACRAMENT OF HOLY ORDERS, anointing them to be PRIESTS in God the Father’s Son’s CHURCH here on earth.

    And those Priests, from whatever RITE of the Church, either in ‘The East’ or in ‘The West’ offer up the Christ’s Sacrifice in their Masses or their Divine Liturgies to GOD THE FATHER.

    These Priests, throughout the world, of ANY race, color or nationality speaking ANY of the thousands upon thousands of human language dialets and employing ANY number of Eucharistic Liturgical Rites of Christ’s Church here on earth - in one way or another - INVOKE God’s Own HOLY SPIRIT for the sake of His Church and by extension for the entire Human Race with their intention and their words pronouncing THIS Divine Truth and Divine Reality:

    “Lord, You are Holy indeed,
    the Fountain of all Holiness.

    “Let Your SPIRIT come upon these gifts
    to make them Holy,
    so that they may become for us
    THE BODY AND BLOOD OF OUR LORD, JESUS
    CHRIST.”

    And the Priests of the Lord’s Church here one earth obtain this ‘Power’ to INVOKE God the Holy Spirit for the sake of the Church and, by extension, for all of Mankind ON ACCOUNT OF the Bishops of Christ’s Church here on earth.

    No avante-garde theologian of the past, the present or the future, no Emporer, no leading public figure in Politics, Business, Science, the Media, Banking-Finance, the Sciences, from Hollywood, the Governments of our World - NONE OF THEM - have any power whatsoever in MITIGATING or HALTING an ordained Priest of Christ’s Church from INVOKING God the Holy Spirit over the Church’s, and by extenstion, Mankind’s gifts of bread and wine in a PUBLIC ACT OF OBEDIENCE to God the Father through the Power of Christ Jesus’ Eternal Priesthood between God His Father and all of Mankind.

    Now that lead me into posting something about the dignity of the BISHOPS of Christ Jesus’ Church Militant here on earth and THEIR ability to INVOKE GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT using and utilizing the FULLNESS of the Church’s ministerial PRIESTHOOD that is theres here on this planet earth.

    - Fr. Joseph

  231. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 10:36 am

    The BISHOPS of Christ Jesus’ Church Militant here on earth not only administer the Divine Sacrament of HOLY ORDERS onto men by anointing-consecrating them into the Priesthood of God’s Church here on earth SO THAT these men can INVOKE God the Holy Spirit over, onto and into the Christian Church’s Altar’s bread and wine are turned into the BODY and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ in the Christian Church’s Sacrament of THE EUCHARIST - as well as - anointing Priests TO INVOKE God the Holy Spirit to grant and impart God’s Own Divine FORGIVENESS for any and all the evils and wrongs and immoralities individuals have entrapped and enslaved themselves in the Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation…

    …the Church’s Bishops INVOKE God the Holy Spirit Himself TO IMPART His Divine Graces and Gifts onto and into individuals in the Christian Church’s Sacrament of CONFIRMATION (as it is called in the Western Church) or CHRISMATION (as it is called in the Eastern Church).

    Confirmation and Christmation INVOKE THE SAME, ONE, TRUE, REAL & ETERNALLY DIVINE GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT onto/over/into the individual.

    Hence, God the Holy Spirit works in, works through and works with THE BISHOPS of Chirst Jesus’ Church Militant THROUGHOUT our entire World. God the Holy Spirit did THAT back in the 1st century. God the Holy Spirit has and does that throughout EVERY century of Human History.

    Now a word about the MOTHER OF GOD, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Most Holy Theotokos…

    - Fr. Joseph

  232. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 11:02 am

    The Blessed Virgin Mary completely and entirely ACCEPTED “God’s Own Divine Proposal” to her to become the Spouse of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT as recorded for every last human being who has ever lived, is alive or might come to have life to read in their ‘Bibles’ in the Gospel of St. Luke, chapter 1, verses 34-38.

    And by her acceptance, by her Spousal Union with God the Holy Spirit - SHE CONCEIVED A CHILD within her womb. And THAT Child has God as His Father and a DUAL nature of being BOTH of Divine and human origin.

    That is what the Christian Church defines as the ‘HYPOSTATIC UNION’.

    Since the Blessed Virgin Mary’s “Marriage To” GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, her Divine Spouse has never, never, never, never, NEVER left her, never abandoned her, never ‘divorced’ her, never mistreated her, never caused her any grief, sorrow, pain or disappointment whatsoever! GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT ‘Broods’ over her like no woman ever alive has had a husband ‘brood’ over any of them.

    GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT and the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos are ETERNALLY INSEPARABLE!

    Wherever the Mother of God IS - there too is God the Holy Spirit.

    Wherever the Mother of God APPEARS - there too is God the Holy Spirit ‘appearing’ WITH her.

    In 1917 A.D., the Mother of God - right along with her Divine Spouse GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT - appeared in Fatima, Portugal.

    And her Divine Spouse, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, performed a Supernatural Miracle of the Sun witnessed by and personally experienced by 70,000 people there in Fatima, Portugal.

    The MOTHER of the Church here on earth right along with the Divine Truthful Witness of her Divine Spouse - GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT - informed Mankind to REPENT their evil ways, to pray and to invoke her Divine Son’s DIVINE BLESSINGS as the King of kings and the Lord or lords - for it was to her Divine Son that ALL AUTHORITY in the Heavens and ON EARTH was given to her Divine Son JESUS.

    And her Divine Son JESUS would actually consider granting ALL OF MANKIND World Peace if only the BISHOPS of His Church here on earth would perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to His Mother’s Immaculately Loving Heart.

    For SHE is ‘The Woman’ of Genesis 3:15.

    And SHE is ‘The Woman’ of Revelation 12:17.

    And that SHE and her offspring - her Divine Son AS WELL AS all those who are DISCIPLES of her Divine Son Jesus - THE CHRIST - would be God’s Own Divine Instrument here on earth TO CRUSH SATAN’S HEAD!

    So let us SERIOUSLY consider the Christian Church’s BISHOPS’ ability TO INVOKE God the Holy Spirit - the SAME God the Holy Spirit Who Is the DIVINE SPOUSE of this Woman, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the MOTHER OF GOD, the Most Holy Theotokos - onto individual the WORLD OVER via their ability to admnister the Christian Church’s Sacrament of CONFIRMATION or CHRISMATION - whichever name designation your might prefer.

    - Fr. Joseph

  233. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

    From the Gospel according to St. John, chapter 3, verses 1-7 - we ALL can read:

    “‘There was one of the Pharisees called NICODEMUS, A LEADING JEW, who came to Jesus by night and said ‘Rabbi, we know that You are a Teacher Who comes from God; for no one could perform the signs that You do unless God were wtih Him.’ JESUS answered:

    “I tell you solemnly,
    unless a man is born from Above
    he cannot see the Kingdom of God’,

    “Nicodemus said, ‘How can a grown man be born? CAN HE GO BACK INTO HIS MOTHER’S WOMB AND BE BORN AGAIN?’ JESUS replied:

    “I tell you most solemnly
    unless a man is born through water
    AND THE (HOLY) SPIRIT,
    he cannot entire the Kingdom of God;
    what is born of the flesh is flesh;
    what is born of the Spirit is spirit,
    Do not be surprized when I say:
    You must be born from Above,
    The Wind blows whereever it pleases;
    you heat its Sound,
    but you cannot tell where it comes from
    or where it is going.
    That is how it is with all
    who are born of the Spirit.” - Jn 3:1-8

    As I said in an earlier post here, the BLESSED VIRGIN MARY is the Spouse of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. And on acount of her ‘Marriage’ to God the Holy SPIRIT, the Holy SPIRIT conceived A CHILD in her womb. That Child being God’s the Father’s SON Who Is Alive with and Enlivened with GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    Again, let it sink into and dwell in your minds and hearts. God the Holy SPIRIT NEVER left the Blessed Virgin Mary. Never. Not for one moment. Not for one instant.

    Her Divine Son tells His Apostles to gather ALTOGETHER IN UNION to pray for the Outpouring of God the Holy SPIRIT.

    The Acts of the Apostles records the very first ‘Act of the Apostles’ - they take Jesus’ MOTHER with them to the Upper Room in Jerusalem TO PRAY.

    The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos - who has as her Spouse GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT with her prays WITH her Son’s Apostles together - and the SOUND of the WIND is so loud, so deafening, that the bestowal of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT is physically witnessed by the residents of Jerusalem and is EXPERIENCED by those who were accompanying the MOTHER OF GOD in prayer in the Upper Room.

    The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Spouse of God the Holy Spirit - ONCE AGAIN ‘GAVE BIRTH’ to yet MORE spiritual sons, and they TOO have GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVING IN THEM ALL NOW.

    And the Blessed Virgin Mary witnesses her own ‘GIVING BIRTH’ to more son who all have the SAME Holy Spirit living in THEM as did her only Son JESUS.

    And in each of these Apostles, the Blessed Virgin Mary - in mind, heart and spirit - sees and recognizes her Son JESUS and HIS SPIRIT alive.

    She now doesn’t just have ONE and ONLY ONE ‘Son’ - she is now the MOTHER of multiple sons who ALL have this strikingly similar spiritual RESEMBLENCE to her only Son JESUS Who has Ascended into Heaven to the Right Hand of God His Father.

    And her NEW spiritual sons who all have a striking spiritual resemblence to her ONLY Son Jesus have this ability to LAY THEIR HANDS on others SO THAT they, too, can receive the Gift of God the Holy SPIRIT.

    And ALL of these “babies” who come to possess the Gifts and Graces of God the Holy Spirit - SHE is the one who has GIVEN A NEW ‘BIRTH’ TO IN SPIRIT.

    And the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, truly is the WOMAN who gives spiritual BIRTH-IN-THE-SPIRIT on account of her being the Spouse of God the Holy SPIRIT.

    And all of the Blessed Virgin Mary’s children ARE ‘born from Above’!

    And as MOTHER of so many spiritual children down through the centuries of Human History, this Woman - the Blessed Virgin Mary - IS GOD’S ‘NEW EVE’ TO AND FOR ALL OF MANKIND.

    And as A MOTHER of SO MANY spiritual children throughout our World and throughout our entire Human Race, Sacred Scripture has the following recorded UNDER the Divine Inspiration of God the Holy SPIRIT Who just so happens to be the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Own Divine Spouse:

    “For THE LORD honours the father in his chidren,
    AND UPHOLDS THE RIGHTS OF A MOTHER OVER HER SONS.” - Ecclesiasticus 3:2

    As we ALL look out upon our royally and virtually completely SATANICALLY FOULED UP WORLD and SATANICALLY FOULED UP HUMAN RACE in this year 2010 Anno Domini - let us ALL ponder on the words of Sacred Scripture:

    “The LORD…UPHOLDS THE RIGHTS OF A MOTHER OVER HER SONS.”

    And then, let us consider the Mother of God’s own words spoken in and with the Divine Presence of her Spouse, God the HOLY SPIRIT from her Fatima, Portugal’s Apparitions-Messages of 1917 A.D.

    ‘ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!’

    The Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the MOTHER of the Church and God’s Own NEW EVE to and for all of Mankind ISN’T LYING!

    - Fr. Joseph

  234. Fr. Joseph January 10, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

    Setting aside the more important and more pressing religious-spiritual-geopolitical issues currently fumed over here on RZN, things such as the COLOR of Jesus’ skin and the like, let us “entertain” ourselves with the following passage from the Book of Revelation (WITHOUT having to listen to the relentless heated assertions of such individuals such as John Hagee, Pat Robertson and many, many others nowadays)

    “Then the dragon (Satan) was enraged with THE WOMAN and went away TO MAKE WAR on the REST OF HER CHILDREN, that is, all who obey God’s Commandments ad bear witness for JESUS.” - Revelation 12:17

    Consider the DIVINE ‘REVELATION’ in the Book of Revelation…’THE REST OF HER CHILDREN’.

    Did or did not the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Woman of Genesis 3:15, have but ONE ‘offspring’ by the Power of God the Holy Spirit - JESUS???

    So how can THE WOMAN give BIRTH to OTHER children? Answer: by their being BORN AGAIN from Above with God the Holy Spirit!

    Now then, I was JESUS Who both Personally Demonstrated, Divinely Taught and Divinely Revealed:

    “When I (JESUS) cast out devils, I (JESUS) do it through the SPIRIT OF GOD.” - Matthew 12:28

    And as the late Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen, in his capacity and in his TEACHING OFFICE within the Church Militant here on earth as a BISHOP, correctly informs the REST OF THE CHURCH MILITANT here on earth:

    “EVIL is conquered by Spirit, not by complaining and ranting. And to attribute such victory to any other power is blasphemy against the Spirit.”

    This WOMAN who is the married Spouse of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT conceived a Child in her womb by the Power of God the Holy Spirit Who Is the Son of God, JESUS, the Christ.

    And in Him resides the FULLNESS OF DIVINITY.

    And this Woman’s Son does something Divinely and Extraordinarily GENEROUS with His Own Divine Powers and Authority to and FOR our Human Race:

    “The seventy-two came back rejoicing. ‘Lord’ they said, ‘even THE DEVILS SUBMIT TO US WHEN WE USE YOUR NAME’ He said to them, ‘I watched Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Yes, I have given YOU power to tread underfoot serpents and scorpions and the whole strenght of the enemy.’ - Gospel of St. Luke 10:17-19

    How did Jesus’ disciples cause the devils to submit to THEM and by what Power is this tranpling underfoot the whole strenght of the devil brought about?

    By God the Holy SPIRIT which Jesus Christ Himself graciously imparts onto members of the Human Race by His Own Divine Authority and Kingship!

    And the FULLNESS of the ministering Priesthood within Christ Jesus’ Church Militant here on earth resides in and with her BISHOPS!

    “But when the Kindness of God our Saviour FOR MANKIND were revealed, it was not because He was concerned with any righteous actions we might have done ourselves; it was for no reason except His Own Compassion that He saved us, by means of the cleansing water or rebirth (Baptism) and by renewing us with the Holy Spirit (Confirmation-Chrismation) which He has so generously poured over us through Jesus Christ our Savior. He did this so that we should be justified by Grace, to become heirs looking forward to inheriting Eternal Life. THIS IS DOCTRINE that you can rely on.” - St. Paul the Apostle to Titus - Titus 3:4-8

    And St. Paul the Apostle, with full Apostolic Authority imparted onto Him from Jesus Christ Himself to, for and OVER His Church Militant here on earth writes the following to BISHOP TIMOTY:

    “You have in you a Spiritual Gift which was given to you when the prophets and THE BODY OF ELDERS (other BISHOPS) laid their hands on you; DO NOT LET IT LIE UNUSED.” - 1 Timothy 4:14

    The ‘laying on of hands by the Body of Elders’ in the Church Militant here on earth IS HOW BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH ARE CONSECRATED to the service of both God and His Church Militant here on earth!

    St. Paul the Apostle is telling this single young BISHOP to NOT LET the Spiritual Gift of God go UNUSED!

    With all of the foregoing having been EXPLAINED to all of you RZN readers regarding the MOTHER OF GOD, the Blessed Virgin Mary who is the Spouse of God the Holy Spirit - THE WOMAN who gives ‘birth’ to the REST OF HER CHILDREN ‘from Above’ with the Holy SPIRIT, the same Holy Spirit by Whom Jesus Christ casts out devils, the same Holy Spirit Christ Jesus grants as a FREE GIFT to His brothers and sisters of the Family of God THE FATHER here on earth who are His CHURCH…

    …the same Holy SPIRIT imparted onto the BISHOPS of His Church here on earth at their own personal CONSECRATION via the ‘laying on of hands by the Body of Elders’ in His Church Militant here on earth - the Spiritual Gift that St. Paul the Apostle with FULL APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY instructs new-young BISHOPS in the Church here on earth TO NOT let go UNUSED - perhaps NOW everyone will begin to understand the Divine Instruction of the Mother of God as Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal 1917 A.D. for THE BISHOPS of her Son’s Church Militant here on earth to perform a public and solemn Collegial Consecration of RUSSIA to her very own Immaculately Loving Heart!

    - Fr. Joseph

  235. Fr. Joseph January 11, 2010 @ 10:25 am

    Down through the centuries, Ecumencial Councils were called in order to put the internal affairs of the Church IN ORDER.

    If one examines the HERESIES that had to be addressed arising from WITHIN the Church and directly AFFECTING the Mission, Health and Stability OF the Church, one finds that virtually ALL of the early Church’ heresies arose on account of BISHOPS and PRIESTS!

    So the calling together of the BISHOPS of the Church to and for Ecumenical Councils in order to address, resolve and dispatch these INTERNAL threats to the Stability, Mission and Health of the Church was the MOST REASONABLE thing to do.

    But back in 1884 A.D., when Pope Leo XIII receives a Divine ‘Heads-Up!’ that SATAN HIMSELF had gotten his wish to challenge Christ Jesus in bragging he could and would destroy the Church, that was NO simple ‘Internal Matter’ with respect to the Stability, the Mission and the Health of Christ Jesus’ Church here on earth.

    Instead of having the Bishop of Rome convene an ‘Ecumenical Council’ in order to deal with INTERNAL matters of the Church, the Mother of God requested that the Bishop of Rome - IN UNION WITH THE BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH THE WORLD OVER - perform a public and solemn religious consecration of RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of God’s Own Mother.

    To my knowledge, the nation of RUSSIA was the very first and ONLY nation of our planet earth to PUBLICLY/GLOBALLY PROCLAIM there was NO GOD, and thus denounced and publicly rejected its conversion to Christianity via Prince Vladimir back in 954 A.D or thereabouts.

    The nation of RUSSIA simply had to be RE-CONSECRATED to Christ our God on account of that nation’s leaders MOCKING God - and by doing so, the EVIL-DOERS BEHIND the Russian Nation’s PUBLIC denouncing and rejection of GOD would likewise be ‘dealt with’ in a very Divine Way as well.

    For the Bishop of Rome along with ALL of the Bishops of the Church Militant here on earth to PUBLICLY and SOLEMNLY re-Consecrate RUSSIA to the Immaculately Loving Heart of Christ Jesus’ Own Mother would have been the MOST APPROPRIATE thing to do on the part of the BISHOPS of the Church in order TO PRESERVE all that they have ‘built’ and ‘accomplished’ in the service of Christ Jesus down through the centuries of their Apostolic labors here on the surface of our planet earth since the TIME OF THE APOSTLES.

    If BISHOPS can gather together in order to address, correct and DISPATCH every manner of INTERNAL threat to the Mission, Stability and Health of THE CHURCH down through the centuries - the BISHOPS of the Church can most assuredly gather together IN UNITY right along with the Bishops of Rome in order to address, correct and DISPATCH every manner of EXTERNAL SATANIC THREAT to the Mission, Stability and Health of THE CHURCH here on earth.

    But what does one do when the BISHOPS of the Church REFUSE collegial UNITY and will NOT set aside petty differences which are made out to be INSURMOUNTABLE obstacles so as to get on with UTILIZING the powers and authority as a BISHOP/BISHOPS in order to deal with the EXTERNAL Satanic assaults vs. the Church herself?

    Satan’s head CAN BE CRUSHED by THE WOMAN and her OFFSPRING - her OFFSPRING who just so happen to be the BISHOPS of her Son’s Chuch here on earth.

    The Apostles met together IN UNITY in the Upper Room and PRAYED RIGHT ALONG WITH the Mother of God, the Woman of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12:17, the WOMAN who is FULL OF DIVINE GRACE and who is the Spouse of GOD the Holy Spirit, the Daughter of God the Father AND the actual Mother of God the Son!

    At Fatima, the Mother of God informed both the peoples-nations of our World and ALL of the Church’s Clergy and Laity:

    “ONLY I CAN HELP YOU!”

    - Fr. Joseph

  236. The Prodigal Son February 7, 2010 @ 3:57 am

    THE PERSECUTION OF KEVIN MACDONALD

    From:

    http://www.toqonline.com/2010/02/the-persecution-of-kevin-macdonald/

    By Greg Johnson

    Kevin MacDonald: Casting pearls before swine?

    On January 26, 2010, a new campaign of intellectual and political persecution was launched against Kevin MacDonald, Professor of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach. The express goal of this campaign is to get Professor MacDonald fired from his job because of his research and political convictions.

    Professor MacDonald’s research threatens the cultural and political hegemony of the organized Jewish community by exposing their ongoing subversion of Western civilization. This research has made Professor MacDonald a target of persecution by Jewish individuals, organizations, front groups, and their dupes for nearly a decade.

    This persecution has intensified of late because of Professor MacDonald’s affiliation with the newly-formed American Third Position political party, which threatens Jewish hegemony by explicitly representing the interests of white Americans, who are being culturally and politically dispossessed by Jews and their non-white allies.

    Student agitators affiliated with Jewish front groups called “Students Fight Back” and the “Party for Socialism and Liberation” entered Professor MacDonald’s classrooms on the first day of the Spring semester and passed out propaganda to induce students to drop his classes.

    The agitators also threatened to circulate a petition calling for Professor MacDonald’s dismissal.

    (…) Professor MacDonald’s enemies try to cloak their radical agenda in standard liberal pieties, but whether from cynicism or mere stupidity, their attempts are so clumsy that any child can see through them.

    One of the agitators, Douglas Kauffman, said: “Our campus is one of the most diverse in the country, and that really flies in the face of having a Nazi as a professor.”

    Student Shavanda Williams echoed these sentiments, asking: “Why is he here if he has these white supremacist ideas?” (…)

  237. Suleyman The Magnificent February 13, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

    The reason why American Zionist Lobbies such as ADL and AIPAC support Black causes is because they want to manipulate less educated Black communities and force the less educated Black groups to move into wealthy and/or middle class White communities and cause more corruption and division between many American communities.

    Also these Zionist lobbies want to do these things so that many educational systems can waste more and more of taxpayers money, which will lead ADL and AIPAC to take away money for educational system and then use that money for International Judeo-Masonic Extremeism.

    Madoff already robbed $50 billion from American investors and many of his victims (a.k.a Gentile investors) are seeking getting back compensation, but it is hard, because many of Madoff’s freinds and family members transferred all that money to Israeli accounts. Luckily Madoff is sitting in the slammer, but they should have gave him, as well as his family harsh punishments as well.

    They should have done the same in Medieval Germany to the founding father of the Rothschilds Banking Empire as well, and now, the Rothschilds rule the world by a proxy. And you wonder why Jews have been kicked out of countries more than any ethnic group on the planet. (No offense to the Moderate Jews who are a member of the “Neutrei Karta” sect).

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